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Olivia Hotshot: Welcome everyone to Aether and Devonshire here on Reaction Grid.
(Iggy's Note: I've removed tags that showed speakers were in the Devonshire sim. The chat-bridge enabled them to talk to those in Aether sim).
Olivia Hotshot: Aether is a parcel on which GeoFrank Taurog has been building a rocket sim. he is the builder for NASA on SL.
John Patten enters Aether (now 9 visitors in this region)
(Note by Iggy: I'll edit out these notices, but Reaction Grid automatically lets others know of who approaches, rather like SL radar)
AJ Kelton claps for frank
Olivia Hotshot: Devonshire is run by Omen Crow - who is over there physically but only on chat.
AJ Kelton claps for Omen
Olivia Hotshot: He is here to answer any questions, but will not be moving
Viv Trafalgar: cheers for Frank and Omen
Omen Crow : Waves
Logos Sohl : hello everyone
Olivia Hotshot: The three of us welcome you.
Logos Sohl : not sure what i expected but this was not it!
Norma Underwood : Hello
Zotarah Sister: My home base here is on My Michigan sim. Haley Swansong's sim.
AJ Kelton cheers for Olivia
Logos Sohl : it's like being at home
Olivia Hotshot: Viv, who is here, owns the parcel behind us.
Zotarah Sister: Thanks Olivia.
Margie PolishRadio: So, do we have a specific topic
AJ Kelton cheers for Viv
Olivia Hotshot: Watch out for the giant flowers.
Viv Trafalgar: <--- likes flowers
AJ Kelton: Can I interject
Olivia Hotshot: Margaret i am introducing people
Olivia Hotshot: Please do
AJ Kelton: Viv is sporting, what we expect, will be the final version of our NEW LOGO
Olivia Hotshot: yay!
AJ Kelton: You are the FIRST people to see it outside of the VWER Planning Committee and Viv
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Viv Trafalgar: XD
AJ Kelton: (and a few people on Twitter Ð where we tested it)
Zotarah Sister: : )
Olivia Hotshot: <3 lovs Viv
AJ Kelton: Viv rocks!
Xon Emoto : Hi all :)
Olivia Hotshot: ok, onward
AJ Kelton: sorry - olivia - go ahead
Olivia Hotshot: heehe
Olivia Hotshot: so far so good
Zotarah Sister: I am planning on getting a sim here at some point.
Olivia Hotshot: anyway
Xon Emoto : Thx AJ :)
Olivia Hotshot: These are the people to ask questions of once we are done talking.
Olivia Hotshot: Next.....
G2 Manhattan: still helping users on welcome sim brb
Thoth Jantzen : /me wonders 'who's Viv?' but figures he'll find out sooner or later.
Xon Emoto : is there a voice group?
Olivia Hotshot: please tell us who you are and where you are from (for the transcript)
Viv Trafalgar: oh they all wonder that
AJ Kelton: ROFL
Nicco Kuhn: I own a vw consulting small company in Barcelona, Spain
Viv Trafalgar: CSTEPH!!
Strawberry Manhattan : voice not on today - sorry :) some regions have voice, it takes a bit of tweaking to enable it on all sometimes, my apologies
Norma Underwood : Noreen Strehlow from the Phoenix Elementary School District
Nicco Kuhn: we have done a couple of projects and own a private grid here in RG
Zotarah Sister: I am a MA in Education (Technology and Psychology) student in California
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State University, techie and educator, and all around vw evangelist
G2 Manhattan: one of Kyle Gomboy, ReactionGrid Inc.s CEO's avatars here
AJ Kelton: I am AJ Kelton, I am the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey, USA, and I am also the founder and director of the VWER
Margie PolishRadio: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist from the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Xon Emoto : Hanno Tietgens from BUERO X Media Lab in Hamburg, intiator of Campus Hamburg in 3D Project
Esparanza Freese : Hope Botterbusch, Kansas State University, Graduate faculty
Thoth Jantzen : <= ancient god of wisdom, magic, language, science, and streaming media.
Olivia Hotshot: People are still arriving, but will gently get them up to speed when they get here
Geofrank Taurog: Frank Ireton, Semi retired NASA EPO and sailor. Second Life and Reaction Grid builder
Viv Trafalgar: Viv Trafalgar, builder scripter teacher designer person, currently working with Rezzable to design interactive games, and Iggy to help him make a hat. I was recently Visiting Fellow in Virtual Worlds at University of the Arts Philadelphia
Logos Sohl : (Are we all in chat or should I be hearing voice)
Olivia Hotshot: Yeah Prof Dan made it!
AJ Kelton: no voice
Olivia Hotshot: we may be slow, but we're mighty
Omen Crow : Omen Crow I am work in Information Technology and have worked with Chico and Mass General Hospital on their vw education facility
Olivia Hotshot: This meeting is to be done in text.
Claudia Rossini : Hi AJ...Olivia
Profdan Holt: Hi.
Olivia Hotshot: Hey Claudia
Margie PolishRadio: Hi Profdan
Olivia Hotshot: Please introduce yourself if you habe not done so already
Olivia Hotshot: Grab a seat and sit quick. =) we'll toss you a rope
Thoth Jantzen : ok, i'm obviously missing something - what's this 'aether' thing?
Tim Hart : Tim Hart. Instructional Technologist at the University of Maine College of Education
Profdan Holt: I'm Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing MI.
Claudia Rossini : i'm claudia, the builder for Univ of Penn in SL
Olivia Hotshot: Aether is the property next door to devonshire - half the audience is sitting in Aether
John Patten : I'm John Patten, Dir of Tech for Sylvan Union SD in Modesto, CA
Logos Sohl : Niamh O Riordan, Logos Sohl, Irish Phd student investigating innovation and knowledge creation in virtual worlds educational projects
Strawberry Manhattan : Thoth - chat bridge between Aether and Devonshire sims
G2 Manhattan: we have a chat bridge going which explains the extra green text
AJ Kelton: dan - I know we're friends, but.....
Zotarah Sister wonders why the seating platform is phantom.
Thoth Jantzen : gotcha
Olivia Hotshot: OK, back to the meeting.
Olivia Hotshot: I would suggest you befriend people here at this time. You need to directly click on them to add them
AJ Kelton: you can also do it from local chat - by clicking on their name
G2 Manhattan: Profdan or anyone else having trouble add me as a friend or message me
Logos Sohl : Im shy. Whoever wants to be my friend, please add me :)
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, but there is no search now, so you unless you are chatting or by someone, they cannot be added
G2 Manhattan: thanks logos
Thoth Jantzen : or you can take them out for a beer and some wings.
AJ Kelton: lol
Olivia Hotshot: i think we are losing people
Olivia Hotshot: or i cannot see most
AJ Kelton: i don't see some people - but I see their text chat
Profdan Holt: I'm here, ghostly, but alive.
G2 Manhattan: I agree Olivia I think we got some logouts
AJ Kelton: I see you dan
Xon Emoto : Thanks Logos
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks G2.
Logos Sohl : I miss circular auditoriums
Logos Sohl : It's hard to see people
Strawberry Manhattan : pan your camera around a little and you should see some other people
AJ Kelton: no mystitable here in RG yet
G2 Manhattan: I'll keep an eye on it though olivia I dont see all avatars either but i think most are here
Olivia Hotshot: Logos, you should be happy we have any theater
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Mercury Barnes : ...and I have a meeting...nice turnout...thank you AJ.
G2 Manhattan: right sometimes the opensim client needs a camera pan to see all
AJ Kelton: later M.
Olivia Hotshot: OK, back to the meeting.
Logos Sohl grins
Xon Emoto : I just tried to walk over to Aether and found myself TPed somewhere remote
Strawberry Manhattan : adjacent sims but different servers
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, anything you want to say to kick this off?
Xon Emoto : figured ;)
Strawberry Manhattan : that will mean some avatars next door may not be visible
Logos Sohl : Yeah I stood up there and was basically catapulted into the sky
Logos Sohl : No more moving around for me
Xon Emoto : lol
gloria goldfish : lol
G2 Manhattan: logos and all others get eaten and hold still we are approaching sim limits but should hold up fine
Logos Sohl : Do we have a VWER group here?
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, Logos
Strawberry Manhattan : we don't yet have groups on our grid
Olivia Hotshot: AJ?
Strawberry Manhattan : but we shall have soon
Viv Trafalgar: I have 27 people in range
Omen Crow : I am on a text based viewer I apologize I can not see people to click on but can accept friend requests should anyone be interested
Olivia Hotshot: TY Viv
G2 Manhattan: thats very cool Omen
Margie PolishRadio: Is that 27 on all areas
Margie PolishRadio: not sure how this is setup
Viv Trafalgar: within 28 meters of me
Margie PolishRadio: for transcript: )
Thoth Jantzen will accept friend request too, but is hesitant to send requests himself.
gloria goldfish : quite a lot of people
Viv Trafalgar: so both sims
Csteph Submariner : wow these seats have a serious spring
AJ Kelton: so - I'd like to say a few things and then we can open it up for everyone to chat about this
AJ Kelton: Part of the mission of the VWER is to explore virtual worlds
AJ Kelton: so that is what we are doing here today
Strawberry Manhattan : I would recommend staying seated
AJ Kelton: A year or so ago, we could not thought of doing anything like this
Strawberry Manhattan : it keeps things nice and stable :)
AJ Kelton: now - there are many options - and that is exciting
AJ Kelton: Kyle, and the RG folks have warmly embraced the edu community
John Patten : curious about what's under the hood to support 25 or so AVs?
AJ Kelton: and for that we say THANKS!
AJ Kelton: Its nice to be appreciated
gloria goldfish : what is the matter that some avatar's clothes are invisible?
Csteph Submariner: I think these bleachers were designed by a sadist
AJ Kelton: and supported
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, Thank you for the support this morning Reaction Grid Team!
Viv Trafalgar: whohooo
Xon Emoto : Thx Thoth, hi :)
G2 Manhattan: hello all Kyle here on one of my avatars
Thoth Jantzen : /me o)
AJ Kelton: I know we all look forward to where this virtual worlds thing is going down the line
G2 Manhattan: add me as a friend for any help
Strawberry Manhattan : :)
AJ Kelton: I think the next 6 months to a year will be a real eye opener for the virtual worlds community
Norma Underwood : kudos to the RG team!
Logos Sohl : Can I ask what the protocol is for today's session?
Viv Trafalgar: agreed AJ
AJ Kelton: and I'm proud the VWER is a part of that exploration
AJ Kelton: So - here is my question to everyone
AJ Kelton: what is it exactly that we see in virtual worlds and what is it we need
Logos Sohl : /me is all ears
G2 Manhattan: I think more true inworld tools for learning are needed like SLOODLE etc
Norma Underwood : we see the possibility of the imagination and we need stability :)
Logos Sohl : I see profoundly altered dynamics of communication, the implications of which are unknown as of yet
Profdan Holt: Agreed, G2
AJ Kelton: stability is VERY important
AJ Kelton: tools are also
G2 Manhattan: stability should be job 1 followed by security right Norma
Claudia Rossini : that they work, and that we can easily move our avatars and inventory between worlds
Logos Sohl : I also see a medium that is in need of its own internal media
AJ Kelton: I need more under the hood control
AJ Kelton: the ability to make an API
Logos Sohl : Until we have those tools to connect, collaborate and communicate inworld, we still live in a tribal society
John Patten : yes. We need more examples like the video shared this morning about Mystery Island! Good stuff
Viv Trafalgar: we need cross grid communication tools and tie ins to existing structures
Viv Trafalgar: and yes API access -
Olivia Hotshot we need ways to communicate to groups, to move groups across sims
AJ Kelton: and/or to important names, like from LDAP or from our schools registrat roles
Xon Emoto : The internet is on its way to 3D, and we need the easiest access we can get.
Margie PolishRadio: I see virtual worlds as another useful resource for faculty, staff and students to: meet new people globally, practice learning in a safe environment and active learning.
G2 Manhattan: great Margie agree fully
AJ Kelton: If we all beat the industry standards drum, it will be sure to happen
Zotarah Sister: Interaction, persistent builds for anyone who has land, ability to import, shared visual experiences...
G2 Manhattan: agreed Xon easy login, AJ single sign on too
AJ Kelton: we need to end the day of closed proprietary worlds
Viv Trafalgar: we need to be able to teach our classes - not just the kids who have the technology, get the technology, or are old enough to get in
Profdan Holt: A sense of place for online students.
G2 Manhattan: Zo distance learning machines running 24/7 great thinking
AJ Kelton: great VIV
AJ Kelton: we need to be able to intergrid
Xon Emoto : Connection of grids and transfer of Identity and assets will be key
Thoth Jantzen : in my opinion, the best of use vr's is in eduaction and community building, and one reason i am so disappointed with SL in many ways; it's like ur swimming against the stream there when u try to do it (largely for various reasons). but it also takes a different way of thinking to effectively use VR's for those purposes, too.
AJ Kelton: I should be able to go from RG to Heritage Key to any other grid
G2 Manhattan: we can do that now but its a rough system called Hypergrid between Opensim worlds at least
Xon Emoto : exactly
Margie PolishRadio: I would also like to add the sense of virtual presence. You have some sort of physical representation of those you are connected with.
Margie PolishRadio: sense
Olivia Hotshot: Educators are generally content experts, not creators in virtual worlds (for the most part) so ready made tools with PG avatars and professional clothing options are really important
Zotarah Sister: A persistent inventory over grids is on my wish list.
G2 Manhattan: great Olivia, nice distinction
Viv Trafalgar: Olivia who funds that?
G2 Manhattan: and items they can hack apart then with students
G2 Manhattan: full perms
Olivia Hotshot: You Viv.
Logos Sohl : We need our own Gutenberg press invention so that we can mobilize our collective knowledge to drive education in virtual worlds forward
Norma Underwood : I have that covered :)
Viv Trafalgar: From an educational perspective oh yeah see
AJ Kelton: and prefab stuff - so we don't have to recreate the wheel
Olivia Hotshot: I know your closet is full.
Claudia Rossini : nods to Olivia
Viv Trafalgar: from an edu perspective it's great
G2 Manhattan: great analogy Logos
Viv Trafalgar: but the content creators need to be able to support themselves fairly also
Logos Sohl : /me also nods at Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: Viv, absolutely
Viv Trafalgar: so that they can make more things
G2 Manhattan: prefab is great but make sure you can let students disassemble it
John Patten : @Yes a nice open library of materials that are easily imported in and out of the sim
Olivia Hotshot: i am thinking more of the things available to get started that are provided by the grid.
G2 Manhattan: core to using opensim/SL is users being able to create
Zotarah Sister: It would be nice to have more clothing here.
Claudia Rossini : i think inventory transfer will help eliminate the need to keep rebuilding the same wheel
AJ Kelton: yes - Kyle - true
AJ Kelton: And a WAY TO BACK UP OUR WORK!!!!
AJ Kelton: and take it with us
Logos Sohl : Inventory is really the only knowledge repository we have - it is vital
Viv Trafalgar: Yes AJ absolutely
AJ Kelton: If I created it - I should be able to take it anywhere
G2 Manhattan: agreed Zo, Norma and others doing an admirable job with fee items on our market sim
Thoth Jantzen : yes, viv, it's nice to be able to eat. and making stuff takes up RL time.
Viv Trafalgar: if you make it, you should have it desktop
Claudia Rossini : exactly AJ
G2 Manhattan: AJ you can backup as sim owners now to an xml file called .oar
G2 Manhattan: even share you sim designs and item creations
AJ Kelton: Kyle - is there a way I can pay someone for the work they do - not like LL currency, but paypal or something?
Olivia Hotshot: Would strongly suggest sitting and not moving
G2 Manhattan: soon your entire inventory too will be able to be backed up in a web login
AJ Kelton: it needs to be for more than sim owners
Margie PolishRadio: @Aj, to add to your comment you also create your own inventory. You have a sense of "I did that myself" and not I bought it from someone.
G2 Manhattan: AJ we have something coming in trials in weeks for you there
Zotarah Sister: It will be nice when they get Search and Groups set up on this grid too.
AJ Kelton: students have the right to their work also
G2 Manhattan: but were forming an educator committee to decide how it works first
Norma Underwood : the ability to upload clothing textures for free is a huge advantage
Strawberry Manhattan : agreed Norma
AJ Kelton: so creators will be able to set up shop here and actually sell stuff if they want?
Zotarah Sister: Yes Norma
gloria goldfish : Can somebody tell me more about this meeting. what is about?
Strawberry Manhattan : I think I can say with certainty we will never charge for uploads here
Norma Underwood : I agree that the sense of making it yourself is huge also
G2 Manhattan: expect to hear more about economy options coming to RG very soon
Viv Trafalgar: I think it's really important to make it easy to cross the boundary between creator and consumer, audience and storyteller
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, may i pose another question to the group now?
Viv Trafalgar: the worlds that are making a split between the two groups are losing my interest somewhat
Norma Underwood : we want our students to be the creators not the users
Viv Trafalgar: well Norma, can they be both?
Strawberry Manhattan : upload fees are a barrier to creativity
Thoth Jantzen : what is VWER exactly?
Strawberry Manhattan : and I am not introducing a barrier :)
Zotarah Sister: I am ok with free stuff since there is no economy here, but it would be nice to transport stuff from a website.
Viv Trafalgar: that's what i loved most about SL aside from connecting with people -
G2 Manhattan: agreed Strawberry
Norma Underwood : of course they can be both but if you give them too much, it stifles the need
Csteph Submariner: yes, one of the great things about SL is that the building tools are so co-operative
Logos Sohl : I want to know how RG sees itself vis its competitive advantages over sl and other vws. No more tlas, I promise :)
AJ Kelton: I want to say - this whole meeting is really thanks to Olivia
G2 Manhattan: Zot we have economy news coming, it wont be allowed to dominate our world like SL but when you need it itll be here soon
Csteph Submariner cheers
AJ Kelton: she brought me here, she's pushed for this, she worked out the details
John Patten : what about standards for creating materials outside of the sim and uploading, is Collada still the standard, is that possible in OS?
G2 Manhattan: Olivia is a patient patient person I can tell you ;)
Olivia Hotshot: Thank Aj. It takes a team though.
Strawberry Manhattan : Logos - we are in our own market here - accessible by all ages, and we try our hardest to be affordable too - I don't want to go into a sales pitch though :)
AJ Kelton: and this is her meeting, so I'll step aside from my intro and let her take this where it may
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks G2.
Olivia Hotshot: OK, next question.
G2 Manhattan: John collada can be done in http://realxtend.org
G2 Manhattan: also free
Olivia Hotshot: What sorts of things need to be in place before you as an educator can work in one of the "newer" grids? And second when will you be comfortable bringing your students?
Strawberry Manhattan : I love my grid - you only have to see sims like PESD from Norma's kids to see what is amazing about RG
AJ Kelton: define newer grids - like this one?
Olivia Hotshot: Yes AJ.
AJ Kelton: stability
AJ Kelton: basics
Thoth Jantzen : /me agrees w/strawberry
AJ Kelton: I need to be able to walk, fly
AJ Kelton: build
AJ Kelton: cross sims
Viv Trafalgar: share
Xon Emoto : Voice
AJ Kelton: search
Olivia Hotshot: groups?
Margie PolishRadio: For me personally I need help with various scripts. I am getting a hang of building and preparing but scripting is still an issue.
AJ Kelton: voice is important - but we went years without it in SL and did fine
G2 Manhattan: groups are also coming via a partner
Olivia Hotshot: cool G2.
G2 Manhattan: voice is here in opensim but some do not find it perfect
Xon Emoto : Integration of as many media as possible
Margie PolishRadio: Other wise I can bring students and other educators into virtual worlds
Csteph Submariner: I wouldn't entirely miss voice tbh
G2 Manhattan: we think its pretty good though called freeswitch
AJ Kelton: flash in world
G2 Manhattan: but you can get by without it
G2 Manhattan: and find advantages too
AJ Kelton: I need to be able to show videos and documents and whatever I want
G2 Manhattan: flash inworld would be nice
Margie PolishRadio: I feel that I have explored enough on my own to let people know ahead of time what things to expect etc.
Norma Underwood : not having voice is an advantage for English language learners in my district to improve their writing skills
Zotarah Sister: I am glad to make scripts from SL that I can just copy there and paste here.
Csteph Submariner: support for mp3 of any length would be top of my wishlist
G2 Manhattan: interesting norma, sometimes something being missing or minimal like the economy or voice makes other things flourish
Zotarah Sister: Yes video and audio streaming would be nice.
AJ Kelton: yes - that would make narration easy
Logos Sohl : dumb question approaching: can someone pls spell out what the implications of inworld flash would be for people
G2 Manhattan: ;like users building on their own at least at first
Xon Emoto : We're doing very basic stuff in long distance trainings we just could not do without voice
Csteph Submariner: not streaming so much as uploading
Strawberry Manhattan : we have video and audio streaming here
Claudia Rossini : there are freebie scripts available on the SL wiki.should be not problem transferring them here. The problem is good scripts are not free
Strawberry Manhattan : same as SL
AJ Kelton: videos other than quicktime
Olivia Hotshot: If a third party were to make a VW "kit" for educators - with avatars and clothing and basic tools and scripts, do you think educators would use it? Payt for it?
G2 Manhattan: Logos think of how interactive you could make a whiteboard based on flash inworld on a prim
Xon Emoto : cool
Strawberry Manhattan : I will help anyone with trouble with scripts
Thoth Jantzen : media would be a lot easier, logos, for starters....
G2 Manhattan: not only would educators use it and pay for it
Claudia Rossini : good scripts
Csteph Submariner: 'true' html on a prim would be nice
G2 Manhattan: we're having success bundling educator created tools with our systems
Strawberry Manhattan : if you have a troublesome script, pop a support ticket to http://metaverseheroes.com under the inworld scripting category and I'll help fix it
AJ Kelton: pay for it - I'm not sure - educators are famous for having to hold tin cups our for support of stuff like this
Strawberry Manhattan : I have a big library too so if there's anything you need, let me know :)
Thoth Jantzen : be easier to show videos, and do live RL presentations here and present archived material
Csteph Submariner: they should give it away to educators
Margie PolishRadio: @ Olivia, I think educators would use anything you give them. If they would pay for it would depend how badly they need it.
Csteph Submariner: they're the ones who will make the killer app
Olivia Hotshot: good point Margaret
Norma Underwood : I just decided to think of my district as my charity
Logos Sohl : could you play longer-than-10-secs clips for instance if you had flash
G2 Manhattan: Csteph many do give away for free
Zotarah Sister: I actually prefer that teachers and students make their own AV customizations. It makes the grid more immersive to have a personal investment.
AJ Kelton: well said Margie! LOL
G2 Manhattan: but for advanced tools inworld to grow and mature
G2 Manhattan: there has to be a business model to support them
Xon Emoto : I'm dreaming of connecting media students (as builders and scripters) with all sorts of other faculty, say economists or medicine
G2 Manhattan: not all tools but some
Csteph Submariner: sorry, I was meaning give away regions
G2 Manhattan: but you will be amazed how much is free here
AJ Kelton: many of you don't remember back in the day of Prim Tax in SL
G2 Manhattan: oh right well http://opensimulator.org is free
AJ Kelton: well - they can't give away regions!
Logos Sohl : @ Csteph, why do you say that educators will make the killer app?
Claudia Rossini : free does not mean good
G2 Manhattan: drag out that old pentium 4
Olivia Hotshot: (BTW, we have tees here for free from both Frank and Viv)
Csteph Submariner: why not AJ?
G2 Manhattan: load up windows or linux
G2 Manhattan: and install opensim 100% free
AJ Kelton: because someone has to pay for the lights to stay on
Xon Emoto : Germany not being so tech savvy in general, we are facing a lot of difficulty getting people involved who see the benefits of VWs, but cannot or do not want to invest the time to learn creating content themselves
G2 Manhattan: we'll even give you tips if stuck
AJ Kelton: servers need to be maintenance - electric, back up, compensating for their time
Norma Underwood : We are trying to hone our skills so that free does mean good
Csteph Submariner: yes, but I don't necessarily mean give away top of the range all singing all dancing regions
Strawberry Manhattan : and it does!
Strawberry Manhattan : Gridizen's Market region here on RG
Csteph Submariner: maybe a basic, low prim count region
Strawberry Manhattan : crammed full of amazing free items
Thoth Jantzen : education IS the killer app for vr's - but it has to be done differently than it generally is now.
G2 Manhattan: Xon good point, the more an open community grows around open platforms, the more content will flourish when not under 1 autonomous group
G2 Manhattan: imho
Csteph Submariner: and upgrades =can be purchased
Csteph Submariner: a bit like the way the music biz is finding itself going
AJ Kelton: well - $25 a month is pretty close to free
G2 Manhattan: agreed Thoth we're still taking baby steps learning how to implement virtual worlds in business and education
G2 Manhattan: AJ it is and we dont turn down schools here
Csteph Submariner: e.g. Trent Reznor give all his music away for free, then offers 'extras'
G2 Manhattan: one way or another any school that talks to us gets going with virtual worlds
AJ Kelton: gave it away AFTER he became famous
Olivia Hotshot: OK< i have a last question and then going to encourage you to explore Frank's Spaceport Aether, devonshire, Viv's build and Chilbo which is north of Viv.
Strawberry Manhattan : we have to pay for our servers somehow - and feed Kyle and Robin's animals - $25 is low, it's as low as we can :)
Csteph Submariner: and he made 1.5M$ in just over a week with his last release
G2 Manhattan: haha
Xon Emoto : 25$ is fabulous, I think.
Norma Underwood : I may not be Nonna Hedges but I think I am getting pretty good at clothing
Strawberry Manhattan : Norma is super at clothing
Norma Underwood : all free
Csteph Submariner: ASh, but there are examples of those not yet famous following the same model and making money at it
Logos Sohl : @ Thoth, how do you think education needs to be done in here vis how it is being done?
G2 Manhattan: Norma I am wearing your suit on one of my avatars now I feel like a new man/mesh
Norma Underwood : :)
Strawberry Manhattan : lol
Olivia Hotshot: What is your initial reaction (no pun) to coming to a new grid if this is your first time out of SL? Is it what you expected? And for the old timers, what is your reaction to this many people here and we are STILL stable? =)
G2 Manhattan: good and bad welcome always here
Norma Underwood : the men's suits were a real challenge for me
Viv Trafalgar: 23 in range -
Logos Sohl : One more last question: we all know sl and our fave places and where to find things. How can we find out that kind of thing here? What's the best way?
Strawberry Manhattan : I'm amazed Olivia :) hehe
Strawberry Manhattan : I'm happy actually
Norma Underwood : If you were in SL there is zero learning curve here
Strawberry Manhattan : a great discussion
Viv Trafalgar: @Logos - Kyle has a list of providers on the website
Thoth Jantzen : it's important to remember too that vr's are an extension of reality, not a separate 'world' and better integration between the two is needed. for example, it's more effective to give a class in vr's with the teacher giving a lecture on streaming media and the students able to see and interact with him/her and each other in different ways. it can be very limiting for an instructor to have to use text and limited gestures to communicate to the studentrs.
Thoth Jantzen : just one thought.
Viv Trafalgar: @Olivia that's a really good question, and i'd love to hear people's answers
G2 Manhattan: Logos right now were a small world but really this world is a fraction of our overall worlds, most are independent but have a presence here, so just visiting here for now is the best way to meet people
AJ Kelton: I'd like to hear your responses to Olivia's question too
Strawberry Manhattan : OpenSim is sometimes a little wobbly, but we look after it as best we can and work with Gridizens to understand its limits and improve it as best we can
Logos Sohl : I'm so happy the interface is the same for me. I hated that I'd have to relearn Blue Mars. But I don't feel that I know my way around here. And everyone is a stranger.
John Patten : besides accidentally dropping into OS Grid, heheh, this has been pretty impressive :-)
Viv Trafalgar: and if you want a Tshirt hit me in IMs
John Patten : Have not looked at OpenSim in a while
Viv Trafalgar: (they're free :))
Csteph Submariner: my reaction is that I'm curious to explore the differences
Norma Underwood : my 4th graders learned all the basics here on their own with no tutorials at all
Margie PolishRadio: @ Olivia, I have been in SL for over a year and visitied several Open Sim grids. I visited Reaction Grid several times. Each time the expereience is different. Somethime you find something new and other times you have technical dificulty.
Csteph Submariner: especially in things like building tools
G2 Manhattan: Logos agreed, alot of strangers and not alot of traffic versus SL, but you're among peers here, people doing what you like to do, so thats whats building slowly but steadily
Olivia Hotshot: Yay Norma!
G2 Manhattan: agreed Margie we still have many technical challenges
Claudia Rossini : (pretty sure AJ knows my response, even though i held back on the honesty)
G2 Manhattan: but if you let us know about them, we assure you over time you will see them lessen
Norma Underwood : and trust me, 3 kids sharing an avatar is not always a pretty sight in the classroom
Olivia Hotshot: hahaha aNorma
Norma Underwood : lol
Strawberry Manhattan : the version we run here has some quirks - some of the avatars will appear gray until you "rebake", some other little quirks too, but I think the next few months will be great with some newer code on the horizon that we hope to roll out
AJ Kelton: YOU HELD BACK ON THE HONESTY?????
G2 Manhattan: lol
Strawberry Manhattan : lol
AJ Kelton: lol
Margie PolishRadio: In addition I think people expect OpenSim to work exactly like SL. They immediately go to search and want to look for information the way they do in SL. Some open sim grids have some sort of search available others do not. But the key thing is how you welcome people. I think!
Claudia Rossini : grins at AJ
Csteph Submariner: can I just punt the URL of an article giving examples of people making a success in the music biz by giving away their music?
Olivia Hotshot: Is there anything someone from the group would like to ask before the exploring starts?
Csteph Submariner: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091119/1634117011.shtml
Strawberry Manhattan : Agreed Margie
Viv Trafalgar: I think, knowing where OS was a year ago, this is a phenomenal rate of change
Viv Trafalgar: another year of this kind of development - I want to be here to see that
Norma Underwood : I welcome anyone to come visit PESD
Logos Sohl : Is the building process similar? Scripting etc? How identical is that aspect?
AJ Kelton: well - I'd like to see the conversation continue for those who want to instead of explore - I think this has been great so far.
Strawberry Manhattan : Forget about the Linden grid and enjoy each opensim grid as its own entity - we have our own fun here :)
G2 Manhattan: it is Viv, we want it totally stable today but the upside is progress is steady towards that
Viv Trafalgar: I'd love to see it Norma
Strawberry Manhattan : Building is better - no 10m prim size limit
Viv Trafalgar: @Logos - it's similar, better in some ways
G2 Manhattan: Logos building and scripting is the exact same
Viv Trafalgar: more prims!
Margie PolishRadio: If I remember correctly there is a limit on the number of avs on a sim. Is this due to the technical issues where open sim is currently or other
Logos Sohl : I sort of think that I can explore on my own later and that I'm enjoying the chat too
Thoth Jantzen : well, there are a lot of issues, but if u look at it like we're pioneers on a frontier, then the hardships are not totally unexpected and easier to take.
Claudia Rossini : the building is exactly the same..IF you are willing to reload 10,000 textures
Csteph Submariner: Meshes!
Viv Trafalgar: some things are ... you need to be careful of
G2 Manhattan: there are no vehicle scripts for Havok but other than that its the same
AJ Kelton: not more prims - but you can use less prims to build
Norma Underwood : omg, you have more prims here than ever in SL
Olivia Hotshot: A favor - can someone on the devonshire side grab some photos of the group before we adjourn?
Strawberry Manhattan : scripting - can be temperamental, but stick to best practice for any scripting and mostly you'll do fine :) some minor syntax quirks but I help with that a lot
Logos Sohl : lol Claudia
Viv Trafalgar: don't hit control z to undo something on linked prims
Olivia Hotshot: i cannot see anyone over there to do it
G2 Manhattan: C Meshes are coming but also here on our other platform http://unity3d.com get the free editor
Margie PolishRadio: @ olivia, neither do I
Csteph Submariner: does this grid support resizable megas?
AJ Kelton: actually - there are not more prims then SL - there are less. HOWEVER, you can have any sized prim you want
Norma Underwood : http://screenr.com/Fcx
Viv Trafalgar: AJ?
Norma Underwood : there is a little video screencast of us
AJ Kelton: there is no prim size limit
Csteph Submariner: ooo me like
Strawberry Manhattan : no we don't have megas
Strawberry Manhattan : we have real prims
AJ Kelton: a sim on SL has 15,000 prims, here it is 8,000
Strawberry Manhattan : megas not welcome here - why use a hack when you have have the real deal
G2 Manhattan: one prim can span a sim here
Strawberry Manhattan : here we ask that $25 a month sims stick to under 8000
Strawberry Manhattan : opensim is technically capable of a LOT more
Zotarah Sister: Actually that would be enough prims for me.
Strawberry Manhattan : it's the viewer that struggles
Norma Underwood : but that is huge for $25
G2 Manhattan: me too Zo!
Strawberry Manhattan : on Science Sim, Intel have put some heavy machines behind an opensim region with over 200,000 prims
Olivia Hotshot: OK crew, we are on our last 15 minutes, I would like to personally thank the RG Team for the support here today. We really needed you guys and you were here!!
Margie PolishRadio: @ Aj, that is what I like about open sim. You can build all sorts of things and not think about the prim issue. Even for very beginners even like 3,000 prims is a big boost
Strawberry Manhattan : but you need a LOT of power for that
G2 Manhattan: its the scripts that can bog us down some, but were working on best practices per plan level to help there
Viv Trafalgar: thank you Olivia and team for making this happen!
Norma Underwood : http://screenr.com/Fcx
G2 Manhattan: most developers in opensim do what they need with 1500-3000 prims
Strawberry Manhattan : I will do classes starting in late march early April on scripting
Norma Underwood : a little video
Strawberry Manhattan : best practices, optimal techniques
Csteph Submariner: does opensim support scripting in other languages than LSL?
G2 Manhattan: yes!
G2 Manhattan: C#, VisualBasic & javascript
G2 Manhattan: mixed with LSL even
Csteph Submariner: Oh, I'm sold!
Strawberry Manhattan : I am currently planning a move to Boston, but once I land I will do some more classes
Norma Underwood : you waste prims in SL only with 10m limits
AJ Kelton: wow
Olivia Hotshot: Lastly, Frank is waiting down by his rockets to tour people. His build is amazing. Viv is here and i am sure will tour people on her land. Omen can answer Ims. I also see thoth is here and i believe owns land here too - an artist - so ask him to see what he has on his spot.
G2 Manhattan: and we help with occasional classes to learn how to switch over and why you should
Strawberry Manhattan : Thoth's sim is stunning
Olivia Hotshot: Please hang out, tour, explore, ask questions.
Strawberry Manhattan : I love the view from here!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks for coming !!!
John Patten : You can't use the SL client thought to build over 10m? Need hippo client (Mac)?
Norma Underwood : don't forget to go to my shop on Gridizens for free clothing
Strawberry Manhattan : I need to get back to Kennedy space center
Norma Underwood : and visit PESD
G2 Manhattan: map teleporting is recommended over border crossings
Strawberry Manhattan : you need Hippo or Imprudence - both are my favourites
Logos Sohl : Are groups like NCI et al established here
Olivia Hotshot: if you want the notecard with landmarks can pass them out now
G2 Manhattan: right need Hippo or derivative of SL client to exceed prim limits
Viv Trafalgar: yes please olivia
AJ Kelton: i'd love that notecard
Olivia Hotshot gave you VWER comes to RG 2/18/10.
Logos Sohl : Have any of the groups established posts here like that
Thoth Jantzen : well, i's a bit of a mess, but it can be fun. ty tho. :o)
Zotarah Sister: I would like some LMs
Riven Homewood : May I please have a notecard?
Logos Sohl : Or is the SL community still planted in SL
Strawberry Manhattan : if you fly over a border, go slow, give it a minute to finish transfering your avatar, then continue flying around :)
Olivia Hotshot: rats!
Olivia Hotshot: the old card
John Patten : ill take notecard too, thx
Olivia Hotshot: sorry one sec
Claudia Rossini : (They make the same classic mistake over and over. They pay attention to the upfront price and then ignore the lost staff time on problems.’ )
Strawberry Manhattan : there are two search tools we do have
Zotarah Sister: Thanks
Olivia Hotshot: Aether:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aether/237/210/22
Chilbo on Reaction Grid:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Chilbo/133/12/23
Devonshire:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Devonshire/79/123/22
Norma Underwood : strawberry, can you put a lm for my place on Core?
Logos Sohl : me too for lms and cards thanks
Xon Emoto : A notecard please :)
Strawberry Manhattan : http://grid.reactiongrid.com/userprofiles.aspx for searching for users
Margie PolishRadio: I laughed to myself when I saw Sloodle in OpenSim. I thought their name was based on SL. Just thought I throw that out loud.
Olivia Hotshot gave you VWER comes to RG 2/18/10.
Zotarah Sister: I would like a good AO too.
Viv Trafalgar: Creyhyr glass is http://slurl.com/secondlife/Crehyr%20Glas/96/96/23
Strawberry Manhattan : http://reactiongrid.com/gridworx/hud/default.aspx for searching for sims
Strawberry Manhattan : we have an AO script on Gridizens Market
Profdan Holt: Thanks, Olivia.
AJ Kelton: orignially it was but the LL served them a C&D for the SL
Zotarah Sister: Thank you Olivia
Margie PolishRadio: Thanks Olivia
Strawberry Manhattan : you can modify it to your heart's content
AJ Kelton: so the capitalized the whole thing
G2 Manhattan: lol
G2 Manhattan: thanks Olivia & AJ
Strawberry Manhattan : some AOs are very intense on scripting, so I made3 one that I knew would be safe
Olivia Hotshot : Thanks Thoth!!
AJ Kelton: margaret - you have the transcript, right?
Profdan Holt: Are some viewers better than others here? I'm currently using Emerald.
Margie PolishRadio: Thanks Aj for the explanation. I was not ware of that.
Viv Trafalgar: where's the slurl to gridziens market Chris?
Margie PolishRadio: There is one other thing I am wondering
Thoth Jantzen : yw, O. not great ones, but i think got everyone.
Margie PolishRadio: It their a prime time during the day when you have the most people logged in
Riven Homewood : thanks, Olivia
Margie PolishRadio: Somehow whenever I come I don't meet anyone
John Patten : thanks for card!
AJ Kelton: oh god - how many times have we hear that about SL
Olivia Hotshot : hey so this is what it looks like over here =)
Thoth Jantzen : thanks for the note - still want to know what VWER is tho. ;o)
Margie PolishRadio: Unless they sense I am coming and log off just in time : )
Margie PolishRadio: lol
Claudia Rossini : i'm actually using cool viewer which is a 19 version.but allows me not to have to load a zillion apps
Strawberry Manhattan : I'll get the slurl to the market...
Xon Emoto : thx for NC
Strawberry Manhattan : http://slurl.com/secondlife/Gridizens%20Market/128/128/2
Olivia Hotshot : it is Virtual World Education Round Table
AJ Kelton: margaret- you've got the transcript, right?
Olivia Hotshot : a group who meets weekly
Thoth Jantzen : ahh.
Olivia Hotshot : in SL usually
Olivia Hotshot : but now moving out to other worlds
Margie PolishRadio: @ Aj, It should be gathering
Margie PolishRadio: yes
Thoth Jantzen : how does one join and what are the qualifications?
Margie PolishRadio: I will send to Iggy
Viv Trafalgar: when's the movie night kyle?
AJ Kelton: ok - so I can log off without capturing it
AJ Kelton: ok - everyone - ciao
Margie PolishRadio: Yup seems to be working
G2 Manhattan: cya AJ
Strawberry Manhattan : movie night is 6pm Eastern / 23:00 UTC each Saturday
Margie PolishRadio: good luck with your project AJ
Zotarah Sister: Bye AJ.
Claudia Rossini : bye AJ
Strawberry Manhattan : we hold it on Tarzan sim and on Core4 sky cinema
Logos Sohl : i gotta go too folks
John Patten : Thanks all!
AJ Kelton: oh - its out of my hands - the final edit is being done and I'll see it in class tonight
G2 Manhattan: cya John
Strawberry Manhattan : sometimes in Code Torque bar also
Logos Sohl : thanks so much for organizing this
Strawberry Manhattan : with chat bridge between all
Strawberry Manhattan : thank you all for coming!
Logos Sohl : woulda been tooo lazy to make the trip alone
Strawberry Manhattan : wonderful to see so many people
G2 Manhattan: yes this was great
Margie PolishRadio: will keep fingers crosses
Margie PolishRadio: I know your work and a A is a sure thing
Logos Sohl : /me will be coming back to explore further!
Thoth Jantzen : well, edu is a big thing for me in vrs. good to see this happening here.
G2 Manhattan: cya Logos thx
Xon Emoto : Thank you so much for the preparation and the invitation.
Margie PolishRadio: I need to get going folks
Olivia Hotshot : Thanks Thoth - love your art
G2 Manhattan: our pleasure Xon thanks to VWER there
Margie PolishRadio: but will be back
Thoth Jantzen : ty olivia... :o)
Norma Underwood: thanks for letting me crash your party
G2 Manhattan: thans Margie
Strawberry Manhattan : hehe
Olivia Hotshot : Please go check out the NASA build in front of you or see Omen's flying ships
(Iggy's Note: it's a must-see. I got by after the meeting ended)
G2 Manhattan: much love Norma
Viv Trafalgar: Nice to meet you norma
Nicco Kuhn : great meeting you all
Claudia Rossini : anyone who wants to speak to me can reach me as claudia13 rossini on SL...for now. I think it's best i leave
Zotarah Sister: Why is this platform phantom?
Norma Underwood: Thanks :)
Olivia Hotshot : Bye Claudia! *waves*