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VWER Meeting Transcripts by Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.
Based on a work at www.vwer.org.
Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable March 17, 2011
Special meeting held at the VWBPE 2011 Conference for more than 170 participants!
Photos by Iggy. Join our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup to add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to a very special Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable (VWER) live from the Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education Conference.
Edith Halderman: (enthusiastic applause)
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Brooks and I’m the Founder and Chief Moderator for the VWER.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 173 on the four sims, for the transcript.
AJ Brooks: We normally meet each Thursday at 2:30pm SLT for an hour at our location on the Montclair State CHSSSouth sim and have met every single week for over three years.
AJ Brooks: We get a wide variety of educators, from seasoned veterans to the newly rezzed.
AJ Brooks: So, even though today’s setting is different from what we are used to, we are going to try to bring you a similar experience to what our regular meeting are like.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we will be keeping and publishing a transcript of what is said in local chat. If you've not seen our transcripts, you should check them out - they are an excellent information asset.
Gwen Gwasi: is this done in voice?
Ran Hienrichs: AJ - you've got some "mean" typing skills.
AJ Brooks: The transcripts can be found at our web site - http://www.vwer.org - select the LIBRARY tab at the top.
Margaret Michalski: no voice
Ignatius Tomsen: Not hearing anything.
Syn Enyo: No voice on this one?
LoriVonne Lustre: all text Gwen
AJ Brooks: This wonderful build is set up with a chat bridge, which means that anything any of us posts into local chat will be seen on all four sims.
Gwen Gwasi: ok, thx
Vic Michalak: [text chat.. so everyone can participate.. if you read English this fast..]
iSkye Silverweb: No voice, no, all in text.
AJ Brooks: We will be using chat for our entire session, and we’ll be asking YOU to contribute to the conversation.
AJ Brooks: Please keep in mind, as I said a moment ago, everything in text chat will end up in our transcript and, subsequently, publicly searchable in our library.
Ignatius Tomsen: ah
Olivia Hotshot: TEXT Only Folks
Ignatius Tomsen: ah
Ignatius Tomsen: thanks
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable continues to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL.
Birdie Newcomb: google moderator url?
AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: You can also find and post pictures to our Flickr group and follow us on Twitter @VWER.
AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to use the hashtag #vwer
AJ Brooks: Aside from our regular meetings in Second Life, as of late last year, the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable started its own grid, which is being hosted by ReactionGrid.
AJ Brooks: Those on ReactionGrid, or on the same version of OpenSim, can hypergrid over to the VWERGrid
AJ Brooks: If you are affiliated with an educational institution, you are also welcome to create your own account on the VWERGrid.
AJ Brooks: Information on how to get to the grid and/or create an account can be found at our web site - http://www.vwer.org under the VWERGrid option in the top toolbar.
AJ Brooks: The environment settings for the conference are set to Midnight by default. If you would like to change that, you can select CONTROL-ALT-Y simultaneously on your keyboard to set to Noon.
AJ Brooks: You can also find this under ENVIRONMENT SETTINGS or SUN in the top tool bar. Where that is located depends on which viewer you are using, but you should try WORLD.
AJ Brooks: We especially recommend you do that when visiting our Poster Session, see the conference program for details.
Graham Mills: Ctrl+Shift-Y
AJ Brooks: If you would like to switch to Mouseview, in order to be able to see around the build, you can use the scroll wheel on your mouse or hit M on your keyboard.
AJ Brooks: The ESC button (escape) will get you back to regular view. Another option, of course, is to use Camera View.
AJ Brooks: opps - sorry - Graham is right
AJ Brooks: This is not a meeting where you are going to sit and listen to me talk. We DO have those at VWER from time to time, about once a month, when we have a special guest.
laurielew2 Resident: Daytime!
AJ Brooks: But normally we all sit around a big round table and everyone can participate in the conversation.
AJ Brooks: We do have a moderator, and I’d like to thank Ignatius Onomatopoeia, Kali Pizarro, and Olivia Hotshot - each of whom is in a different section here in the Dome.
AJ Brooks: They are the best team out there and we could not do this each week without them. So make sure to send them an IM saying THANKS when you think of it.
AJ Brooks: Today, I’m going to be the moderator, and each of you will be able to participate, thanks to the chat bridge.
AJ Brooks: I’m going to start us off with a bit of an introduction and then turn it over to all of you, with me moderating.
AJ Brooks: We’ve never tried this with a group this large, so it should be exciting.
AJ Brooks: Before we get started, I wanted to let you know about something we normally use for our special meetings, but I’m going to try using it today, given the size of the group.
AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a online forum where you can post questions, or vote on questions that are already posted.
AJ Brooks: Since text chat may end up flying by so quickly, if you want your questions to stand out, post them to Google Moderator.
AJ Brooks: Our URL for that is http://bit.ly/vwermod Someone will post that in chat occasionally, in case you forget, and I will put it up on the HUGE display over my head.
AJ Brooks: Before we get into our discussion I have an important announcement to make.
AJ Brooks: When Linden Lab first announced that they were discontinuing the discount provided to educators,
AJ Brooks: the VWER was informed that the sim where our current home is would not be renewed in May, when the contract expired.
AJ Brooks: Around the same time we began looking into other virtual world grids, so there was some speculation that VWER was going to leave SL, which we denied right away
AJ Brooks: I’m here today to confirm that the VWER will NOT be leaving Second Life and to announce a new cooperative partnership.
Dale Innis: yay!
AJ Brooks: I’m thrilled to announce that as of our first meeting in May, the VWER will be hosted by Bowling Green State University (BGSU)
NinaNuma Latzo: :)))
Bevan Whitfield: WOOTS!
Vic Michalak: Yayyy!
Abacus Capalini: Woot!
AJ Brooks: Our meeting on May 4th will take place in our new home on a BGSU sim. Detail of this will be released as we get closer to that date.
AJ Brooks: If you’ve never been to the BGSU sims, search them in MAP and go visit. Its quite amazing!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YOWZA, AJ!
AJ Brooks: I want to thank Bowling Green State University and especially Anthony Fontanta and Bonnie Mitchell.
Troy Vogel: there goes my new shoes
AJ Brooks: We are very excited about moving to our new home on the Bowling Green State Virtual Campus and look forward to sharing more on that with you very soon.
Profesora Farigoule: BSU to rescue - it rhymes
AJ Brooks: Now, on with the show.
AJ Brooks: I think we should start our meetings the way we usually do, but EACH of us introducing ourselves.
AJ Brooks: This is going to be fun. :-)
Esme Qunhua: Yay Anthony and Bonnie!
AJ Brooks: So, please give us your name, your educational affiliation, and what you do.
AJ Brooks: No need to wait for other folks, go ahead and start typing it in local chat now and just hit enter when your done.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, AJ Brooks here in Second Life, and I am the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the
AJ Brooks: College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey.
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, freelance educator
Melekaiah Resident: Markus, student from sweden
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Joe Essid, University of Richmond English & Rhetoric/Communications Studies. Teacher in Jokaydia Grid.
algotruneman Resident: Algot Runeman - retired computer coordinator
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Glasgow Caledoniain University Nurse Lecturer
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI. I teach writing, both fy composition and creative writing online and in SL.
Delenn Daines: Judy Kelly, Henry Ford Community College, Michigan
Profesora Farigoule: LC Weaverling - architecture and design, adjunct professor emeritus - Delaware Tech
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, I teach Caribbean studies and women's studies at Hunter College, City University of New York
Ilene Pratt: Ilene librarian University of the People
CIT Alphaville: Colin Simpson, Canberra Institute of Technology, elearning designer
Abacus Capalini: Abacus, Colorado Community College System, Associate Dean
AJ Brooks: \o/
AJ Brooks: keep it going
LoriVonne Lustre: Lorraine Mockford, Nova Scotia Community College
Esme Qunhua: Jane Wilde in RL teach in SL and RL educational technology for teachers.
Starlight Harbour: Wade Schuette, health care educator
Vic Michalak: Phil Youngblood, Chair, Computer Information Systems, University of the Incarnate Word, San Antonio, Texas
MLani Montgomery: Rinda Montgomery Conwell, Assistant Superintendent, North Central Education Service District, and adjunct faculty at Portland State University.
Sojourner Starship: Sojourner Starship - High School Science Teacher
ssarnikar Resident: Mike Doctoral student at University of South Dakota
Karelia Kondor: Helen Myers, The Ashcombe School, Language teacher
Astraya Oakleaf: Hello from Wisconsin
Arwenna Stardust: Clare Atkins/Arwenna Stardust from NMIT in Nelson New Zealand, teach in SL and JokaydiaGrid and co-lead the SLENZ project
MLani Montgomery: And doctoral student!
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio and am the VP for Information Technology.
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood. Technology in Education.
any1 Gynoid: <-- Teacher of Journalism, Photography, Event Promotion, and Having Fun in Second Life at New Citizens Inc
Karelia Kondor: (UK)
Cato Digital: J-Jay Araullo doctoral student, Boston University
Wrenaria Antiesse: Kimmy Hescock, visual info designer/virtual world builder/maintainer for Oregon State University
AJ Brooks: Come on, don’t be shy, post into local chat.
Shamini39 Resident: Shamini, learning&development consultant for BC prov.gov and student of Emerging Technologies in Learning@Uni of Manitoba
Sabine Poliatevska: Sabine Poliatevska / Sabine Emad - Professor of Marketing and Director of the international bachelor Program - University of Applied Sciences - Business School - Geneva - Switzerland
Izsie Resident: Inece, student from Sweden
Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on an MA in Education Technology student at Sonoma State University in northern California. My Thesis curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life Foundation Skills in Second Life.
Aufauna Holliday: aufauna holliday - univ of delaware
MLani Montgomery: Go Beavs!
Casey Braumley: Conne River avatar, educator.
dradam Resident: Adam, PhD University of Newcastle (UK)
NinaNuma Latzo: Hello from University of Lima-Peru
Angelika Corral: Angeliki Chalkiopoulou , I am a school teacher I teach Law and I ama doing my masters in Gender studies in Aegean University in Rhodes Greece
Pionia Destiny: Doris Molero, EFL professor, Universida Rafael Belloso chacin,Maracabo, Venezuela
pareto Monk: Education professional working with corporations in a space becoming known as Extended Enterprise Learning.
Delightful Doowangle: Barbara Truman, Dir of Course Dev, Ctr for Distributed Learning, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Buffy Beale: Buffy Bye, Technology Advisor, Bridges for Woman, Victoria BC Canada
Loreena Sandalwood: Librarian and Learning support Adviser in London (HE)
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist & Doctoral Student, University of Illinois at Chicago
jaap58 Caiben: Windesheim, Holland
ivette56 Resident: hello from Orlando Florida
Fauve Aeon: Mimi Montoya, busybody, community liaison
AJ Brooks: awesome - keep going
AJ Brooks: you guys are great
SnouGi Resident: Borlänge, Sweden ( it's almost midnight here )
Ran Hienrichs: Ran Hinrichs - Seattle!
Torrid Luna: Torrid Luna, we are running a Opensim Grid in Germany, specialising in Language Learning
Kombi Kozlov: E-Learning-Programmer from Berlin
Graham Mills: Peter Miller, University of Liverpool, biologist
Troy Vogel: are we all introducing ourselves?
Gwen Gwasi: My name is Heike Philp and Gwen Gwasi in SL,head of a language teacher training organisation and EU funded project co-initiator
Profesora Farigoule is getting all emotional from this list of wonderful folks
Esparanza Freese from Tampa Bay area, Florida
AJ Brooks: @Troy - yup
Raskolnikow Roffo: Raskolnikow Roffo, virtual janior from the Netherlands
Sicily Zapatero: New York Elementary School Teacher and enrolled in the Certificate in Virtual Worlds Program at The University of Washington
Kali Pizzaro: woop peru going there in a few months
Meta Starostin: Sydney Australia - Second Life creator, builder, scripter, animator, mentor, dancer, entrepreneur, Virtual DJ, land owner.
Alun Hastings: Direstor of Research Training, Southern Cross University
Birdie Newcomb: getting dizzzzy
iSkye Silverweb: iSkye Silverweb, content creator and RL website designer and developer with =IcaruS=, and volunteer with Virtual Ability in SL
Troy Vogel: ok, I am Troy Vogel, IT Staff and builder of Bobcat Village -- Home of the Texas State University - San Marcos
Howdy Colter: Brian, University of North Dakota, student
SnouGi Resident: I'm in this due to a course im taking, about videogames and learning. And I hope one day that i'll become a game designer!
LoriVonne Lustre: Sure thing Troy -- it is a VWER thing :-)
AJ Brooks thinks how amazing this is
Buffy Beale: Hey Birdie me too!
Nia Marquis: From Texas, teach Talented and Gifted
AJ Brooks: Anyone else?
Linteus Dench: Ars Navalis. Virtual Heritage Network - Italy
Kilara Balnarring: VASSAR COLLEGE....REPRESENT!
Vic Michalak: ---- Second Life is the world! ㋡ ----
Ruby Monacular: computers at a major West Coast university USA
Xann Kanto: Ann Randall - Boise State Univ. Distance Ed
Gentle Heron: Virtual Ability, Inc., a community of support for people with disabilities who want to be in virtual worlds.
Riven Homewood: From University of San Francisco, librarian at a small regional campus 50 miles from main campus
Leslie Beaumont: math professor at Boise State University Boise ID
ivette56 Resident: anyone from Florida?
Edric Emor: Eero Palomäki, Virtual and mobile work researcher, Aalto University, Finland
MLani Montgomery: Go librarians---digital media managers!
KendallQ Resident: Jacksonville
Professor Silverweb: Mary Starry - U of Iowa College of Pharmacy
Joe Cupola Librarian from University of South Florida Tampa
ivette56 Resident: Kendal?
KendallQ Resident: YEs
AJ Brooks: Last chance.
Profesora Farigoule finally figures out why some of the text is in green - chat bridge ....DUH
ivette56 Resident: Where in Florida
KendallQ Resident: Strategist and graduate student now researching SL
Arteer Oliva: Art Oliva. 4-year Resident. Builder. Teacher. Etc. Midwest USA. Woo-t!
Marian Sapphire: Orlando
Jamesly Haroldsen: FullSail University Florida Student
AJ Brooks: Ok - well it seems as if the bulk of you have posted, so lets move on.
fejocama Ubble: From Portugal - Universidade Portucalense - Oporto. Master studente about SL :)
SnouGi Resident: Feels like im the only swede around here! haha
Melekaiah Resident: no no
Melekaiah Resident: im a swede
Abacus Capalini: lol
AJ Brooks: Today’s theme is “Best Practices, what does that mean to you and what have your best practices been?”
ivette56 Resident: cool..
Arteer Oliva: Irish.
AJ Brooks: So, the best place to start is with a definition of “best practices”. What makes them best, how do we determine what is best. Is there one best for everyone?
Arteer Oliva: lol
Starlight Harbour: jag inte talar svenska!
Hellizi Resident: Sweden here! Student in Umeå
AJ Brooks: Does best change based on the subject, or on the instructor?
AJ Brooks: Do best practices change from one virtual world setting to another?
Su Nacht: I can't hear anything
MLani Montgomery: Best practices are what works to get students to demonstrate targeted skills.
ivette56 Resident: I am looking for a storyboard artist
AJ Brooks: If we’re talking pedagogy, aren’t best practices from the actual world the same for the virtual world? I’m not saying they are, just asking. :-)
SnouGi Resident: Haha more swedes than i thought!
graemehmackie Westminster: Earl Westminster. Researching SL as an extension for UK corporate learning, training, and more
MLani Montgomery: There's nothing to hear, it's all in text.
AJ Brooks: So, how do YOU define best practices?
Meta Starostin needs a geography crash course
Buffy Beale: no Sound Stu I don't think
Buffy Beale: right
Profdan Netizen: Or on the student, AJ?
Riven Homewood: Su there is nothing to hear - this discussion is in typed text chat
Vic Michalak: Su.. no voice.. all text..
Geo Meek: hehe
AJ Brooks: nope - we're in text chat today
Su Nacht: THANKS MLani
AJ Brooks: for this session
Ran Hienrichs: Best practices depend on the environment, media, and people.
FreeWee Ling: Defined by successful outcomes
Su Nacht: ta everyone
Profesora Farigoule: "best practices" to me is defined by judging end result with our teaching partner - the student...
AJ Brooks: so if its defined by successful outcomes, how do you plan best practices to start?
Shamini39 Resident: what's working best and relevant to the context
Geo Meek: no voice is so yesterday
Arwenna Stardust: being guided by best available evidence
Grendel Malaprop: student -centric, engaging
jaap58 Caiben: articulate goals
Profesora Farigoule: which of course need continually reconsideration due to subject, times, and learning community
Ran Hienrichs: idea, planning, design, execution, test, repeat.
Vic Michalak: "Best practices" are learned by observations and discussion and then DOING it...
KendallQ Resident: Doesn't best practices also need to take into account learning styles, personalities, etc.?
MLani Montgomery: Multiple threads of rich conversation is SO TODAY
Esme Qunhua: creative, risk taking guided by learner
Geo Meek: later and i do hope you have a great time
Gentle Heron: When I hear "best practices" I always question "Best for WHOM?"
Riven Homewood: Text chat is so practical, it lets everybody participate without interupting others :)
LoriVonne Lustre: Yeah MLani!
AJ Brooks: do best practices change between virtual worlds and the actual world?
Shamini39 Resident: so it is contextual
Profesora Farigoule: @KendallQ - yes learning styles = add them to the top of list
jaap58 Caiben: yes they do
Fauve Aeon: text IS a great example of 'best practice' ;D
Oronoque Westland: identify the needs of learners
Birdie Newcomb: My best practices was to wipe out the buildings, start with a mission and say Go
any1 Gynoid: <-- taught 100's of classes in SL... I think Teacher's attitude is key... Ebullience is what's needed... especially helping ppls overcome their eventfulness barrier (as BotGirl emphasized)
Kali Pizzaro: mmm learning styles - do we have only one
CIT Alphaville: good briefings and debriefings before and after roleplays
Su Nacht: of course you need to identify the needs, but I have been teaching classes of 90 students ... so ... individual styles ... a bit of a problem
Vic Michalak: Speakers talking and audience in chat is SO useful -- a unique "best practice" in SL and VEs
AJ Brooks: its hard to see if anyone is typing, like at our roundtables. :-)
Kali Pizzaro: is that different from the real world Any1
FERRIS Arabello: Ferris Arabello/ Linguest / Translator/ Support/ Rutgers University, Newark, New Jersey, usa.
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KendallQ Resident: @Professor -- I'd also add an intangible, stage of human development esp when it comes to SL or virtual educational methods
Esme Qunhua: In VWs we can start innovating from the ground, we don't have to build on top of institutions and traditions.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Best practices do change here. In SL or OpenSim, I have to give students a careful orientation before the assignment. Most Richmond studnets are not gamers and any thing like SL is alien to their experience.
Oronoque Westland: model accessibility
Gentle Heron: Thank you Oronoque!
Profesora Farigoule: my SL best practices begin with SL orientation - take as much time as needed there - create that good first experience
Leslie Beaumont: I dont believe any of this. There will be changes, but they will build on previous experience of teaching.
Su Nacht: same here Ignatius
AJ Brooks: you don't give instruction in the RL classroom, Iggy?
Su Nacht: but they are quick to learn
any1 Gynoid: I can't imagine doing this in RL, but I do it all the time in my SL classes
jaap58 Caiben: me too Ignatius
iSkye Silverweb: People are at the center of all this - best practices are those that best help the individuals involved to learn and succeed.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ, not an hour per student
Profdan Netizen: Don't need to orient students on how to walk around in a classroom, AJ!
Karelia Kondor: @any1 ㋡
Cato Digital: i thought when it comes down to it how can a technology like vw help students learn or how it help teachers teach
AJ Brooks: well - an hour divided by each student, since you do them all at once, right?
AJ Brooks: ok - good distinction, Cato
Arwenna Stardust: best practice for me is where best evidence of effectiveness meets effective practitioner behaviour meets client needs/requirements - its a tripartitie thing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I try to do a few at a time. It's labor-intensive but writing classes are small
AJ Brooks: best practices for learning, are they the same as best practices for teaching?
Margaret Michalski: @ profdan, I did an hour orientation and for some it was not enough
AJ Brooks: @Stylianos - say more on that
Profesora Farigoule: @margaret ... agree agree agree - 1 hour not enough
Shamini39 Resident: @Margaret....it must translate into desired performance then
hobbs Constantine: @ AJ probably not
Esme Qunhua: I notice that in SL people talk a lot more about learners than about teachers
AJ Brooks: see - and I have students do the SL orientation and then I take only one class - and they get all the basics
Vic Michalak: Best practices is what gets students' attention and meets Revised Bloom's Taxonomy -- remember, regurgitate, apply, analyze, create.. etc.
FreeWee Ling: There has to be a reason to be here. You don't come to SL and sit a bunch of students at desks to watch a video.
Aevalle Galicia: Phillip Linden, himself, said it takes 4 hours to get even the beginning level of competence in SL
Hour Destiny: How one learns is obviously different than how they teach.
AJ Brooks waves at hobbs and margaret :-)
iSkye Silverweb: Aren't we ALL learning, at the end of the day?
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, @Margaret, another session like a scavenger hunt really helps.
Gentle Heron pictures Bloom laughing heartily at Vic's comment.
Profesora Farigoule: i have found that the line gets much more blurry in SL (btwn learneres and teachers) and I consider that a good thing
AJ Brooks: @Phillips is full of crap if he said that
Margaret Michalski: @ Shamini.....I have a very small group of students....most complained computers too old with laptops
AJ Brooks: four hours - HA
Aevalle Galicia laughs
any1 Gynoid: / I can teach ppls SL competence ... in about 90 min... to very high levels
Buffy Beale: @aj good point, it @AJ laughing with you
AJ Brooks: I agree with Any1
KendallQ Resident: Level of comfort with change and conflict for both "teacher" and student
Buffy Beale: but the basics are in 4 hrs I would think
Hour Destiny: Sometimes, I wonder if it would have been better had I not picked Hour as my first name. :)
Su Nacht: well my lab doesn't support SL so I have to meet them at night while we are all home
Kali Pizzaro: i suppose it depends what you want them to do
Meta Starostin Four years on and I am still learning
Kali Pizzaro: i do in lab and distance education
AJ Brooks: ok - so best practices in Sl for some includes support for their institutions
AJ Brooks: sorry - support BY their institutions
Leslie Beaumont: Ill be talking about what I actually did teaching a university class in SL in about 1/2 hour....
Gianna Borgnine: I think the average user needs about 4 hours.. but many students are so savvy they need much much less
Karelia Kondor: 13 year old in teengrid SL today for the second time is ahead of me already ....
Leslie Beaumont: I must go get ready!
Profesora Farigoule: my students do building in SL ... so there is lots of work beyond basic SL skills to learn...
Vic Michalak: Su... that happens in a lot of places... some schools will not let SL behind their firewalls..
Chimera Cosmos: the fact that you can keep learning and it's so much fun -- that's one of the best features
Chimera Cosmos: Hiya AJ
Aevalle Galicia: Same here...learn something new in here every day. And I think it's important for instructors to admit that--we're not *the* experts in here :)
Birdie Newcomb: Semi-open-ended seems to suit the virtual environment. Set a goal and be flexible.
Bron Bloxome: SL is not the only VW
AJ Brooks wonders if anyone knows how many people are here
iSkye Silverweb: @Chimera, hear, hear!!
Zotarah Shepherd: In order to immerse students to make the most of virtual learning they must see a VW as a social place. So I'd ask students to explore with each other meet people, do sports and dancing in a virtual world before starting a class of any subject.
Profesora Farigoule: and I find the students become the teachers very quickly
Buffy Beale: yes Chim!
Chimera Cosmos: and all
Ran Hienrichs: Firewalls are psychological, not technological.
Su Nacht: but I work in an Institute of TECHNOLOGY :((((
Troy Vogel: SL and firewalls oh boy.... such a hot topic at my many IT departments
Kali Pizzaro: indeed prof but if you dont need them to build then maybe less time
Arwenna Stardust: I have given up doing formal 'orientation'. I challenge my students to do certain things - give them 2 weeks to do it and then start teaching in week 3 :)
Melchizedek Blauvelt: @Gianna many students are so savvy they need much, much more
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj, yes some at my institution have been trying to get support for over 3 years
Bron Bloxome: I work with Quest atlantis and teacher all about the globe in schools are using it
Troy Vogel: we are trying to set up the firewall for opensim... you should see the tango for that one
Oronoque Westland: I take advantage of the remarkable orientations provided by others, e.g. Virtual Ability
Profesora Farigoule agrees wholeheartedly w Zotorah -
Teachergirl Razor: AJ I do not know but enough for me to have tried several times to get in
Gentle Heron appreciates Arwenna's approach.
Aevalle Galicia smiles at Troy. Been battling our IT folks for 2 yrs
Alan Sandalwood: My 10 year old (2 yrs ago) picked up avatar editing and building less than an hour.
pareto Monk: I'm finding the task more challenging in the business world. People are in too much of a hurry. Taking time to learn how to get around is not something they do without a lot of coaching and nagging.
Howdy Colter: My university does have a campus in SL... and a classroom set up for SL in RL... but as far as I am aware of, there is no SL class right now
Chimera Cosmos: Mariis, Gann, Spiral and I are doing a panel on this tomorrow early
Starlight Harbour thinks there is a crucial length of experience in VW where the interface finally "goes away", like learning to read a good novel versus the sports scores. Need to stratify by before and after that transition.
Chimera Cosmos: 8 AM SLT -- eep!
Buffy Beale: Virtual Ability has one of the finest orientations in SL
Bron Bloxome: Quest Atlantis www.QuestAtlantis.org - not firewalled in most countries
any1 Gynoid: my article about other Virtual Worlds on Hyper Grid... pls bookmark this http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-555219
Teachergirl Razor: Buffy I agree
AJ Brooks agrees with Starlight
any1 Gynoid: VWER has sims there!
Chimera Cosmos waves to Bron!
Profdan Netizen: @Arwena, that sounds cool, but if you need to get them up to speed more quickly?
Buffy Beale: waves to Teach :)
CIT Alphaville: students don't come to class to learn how to use SL, they come to learn their subjects - the easier we can make orientation the better
Esme Qunhua: In virtual worlds best practice is using their affordances: construction, communication, virtual field trips to places and times, that which is not possible in RL, building community for distance learning.
AJ Brooks: so - how many of you actually have TAUGHT in SL?
Teachergirl Razor waves back
Profdan Netizen: Excellent point, @CIT
Gentle Heron: @ProfDan- competence in ANYTHING comes with practice, and that takes TIME.
Xilin Yifu: i have and still do
Buffy Beale: One think folks will learn soon enough, is the backchat and keeping up with 4 conversations at once
Kali Pizzaro: me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: taught 4, supported 2 sections in SL
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, @Gentle.
Xilin Yifu: (teach in sl)
Arteer Oliva raises hand ... do
Buffy Beale: *thing
jaap58 Caiben: I never taught in SL
AJ Brooks: me
Delenn Daines: I do
Arwenna Stardust: I have and so
Ran Hienrichs: I teach every Thursday night for three hours.
Profdan Netizen: yes
Vic Michalak: I have taught 6 courses using SL -- undergrad and graduate...
Margaret Michalski: @ CIT, I agree...my students felt SL can not replace tranditional learning just an addition
Kali Pizzaro: well i facilitate
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Aevalle Galicia waves
Geo Meek: Start by supporting yourself
Su Nacht: one main affordance is the availability of native speakers of different languages
Arwenna Stardust: do*
Chimera Cosmos: I've taught other educators -- not college students
any1 Gynoid: awesome Esme!
Buffy Beale: I teach
Profesora Farigoule: can ignore social aspect of learning in traditional F2F class environment to a degree ...
Graham Mills: yup
AJ Brooks: still teaching Chim
Profesora Farigoule: have to integrate it into learning plan in SL (ignore social aspect at your peril)
iSkye Silverweb: Don't be afraid to think outside the box. A classroom isn't contained within four walls, or within one's own skull, either.
Gwen Gwasi: me
Cyberlily Beresford: I have done a little in Second Life with graduate students.
Teachergirl Razor: I have taught in sl since 2007
CIT Alphaville: we've done a bit of teaching in SL now - roleplays mainly
Angelika Corral: me too
jaap58 Caiben: how do you teach, chat or voice?
pareto Monk: the affordance of removing the location barrier is very valuable to my groups.
Gwen Gwasi: voice
AJ Brooks: so - for those of you who have taught - what are some of your SL best practices - briefly
Gentle Heron respects Chimera teaching other educators, as that's often more difficult than teaching students.
Profdan Netizen: I've had online writing students in world for three semesters now.
Kali Pizzaro: my students do a problem based learning scenario
Aevalle Galicia: I use text, mainly do to the firewall issues on our campuses
Kali Pizzaro: healthcare
Angelika Corral: i have classes in SL
Oronoque Westland: I use SL and VWs to facilitate learning that cannot otherwise be achieved in RL
CIT Alphaville: we also use SL to create machinima for decision tree exercises
Su Nacht: AJ: keeping every single one occupied with a task
Teachergirl Razor: now 10 courses
Vic Michalak: I have taught in text mostly... so people can read at own pace and we can record...
Cyberlily Beresford: We visit and critique educational sites in SL.
pareto Monk: They are hungry for an environment where they can meet, share ideas, and work together that doges the need to travel as often.
Su Nacht: interested
Arteer Oliva: Be Prepared .... *Boy Scout finger salute"
any1 Gynoid: writing community in SL is amazing!... Poets and Storywriters... world class.... several gigs every day!...
Gentle Heron: problem-based learning seems to work well in SL. There are so many situations to become involved in, and people to talk to.
Profesora Farigoule: set clear goals - make sure necessary skills are in place - then let students take the lead
Delenn Daines: I use a conference call telephone line to communicate with my students and they with me
Cyberlily Beresford: We also have guest speakers.
iSkye Silverweb smiles at Arteer
Vic Michalak: We go on field trips and do scavenger hunts and Team Projects for building, etc..
Cyberlily Beresford: Next week Peter Ludlow is speaking.
Teachergirl Razor: AJ did you get the number here?
Gwen Gwasi: I teach languages and my best practise is to introduce my learners to communities where the language is spoken
AJ Brooks: i hope those who are planning on teaching are taking notes. :-)
jaap58 Caiben: interesting any1
Profdan Netizen: @Delenne, I use voice here and Skype,.
pareto Monk: using a conference line in conjunction with Sl is a good suggestion.
AJ Brooks: remember about Moderator, too - here on the slides is the URL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: was 173, Teachergirl, when I counted a while back
Teachergirl Razor: on the Future of Virtual Worlds new book --Ludlow?
Kali Pizzaro: i use volunteers who allow my students to take their real life health history - they can stay at home
Geo Meek: 147
iSkye Silverweb: I was going to ask if anyone used Skype with a group successfully...
Teachergirl Razor: wow!!!
Xilin Yifu: we have our own virtual Chinese city that we use for task-based experiential language and culture learning.....it's integrated into our formal, traditional classroom-based Chinese language and culture curriculum at first year level :-)
Vic Michalak: 154 is my count
Pionia Destiny: we go on tours and have exchange classes
Cyberlily Beresford: I'm not sure - I'll have to check that title.
Pionia Destiny: besitosgwen
AJ Brooks: @any - VWER is on a Reaction Grid hosted grid, details can be found at http://www.vwer.org
Cyberlily Beresford: He wrote a book about the Second Life Herald.
Starlight Harbour: @pareto - yes on a conference line or IRC Chat or some back-channel that is more robust than SL so can deal with hangs, crashes, etc. gracefully.
Vic Michalak: I have co-taught with professors in U.S. and France and students in U.S., France, and Mexico...
Profesora Farigoule: @ Xilin - that sounds great
AJ Brooks: do you prepare for class differently for a VW class than a RL class?
Arteer Oliva: uses Skype for FL teaching, espesh on Friday ... ;=)
Teachergirl Razor: yes his new book is available on Kindle
Gwen Gwasi: besitos Pionia
AJ Brooks: i mean the basics of preparation
Cyberlily Beresford: Thanks
Kali Pizzaro: i also use a aiml bot to allow students to take a history and have embedded heart sounds in the avatars chest which i can change
Vic Michalak: Yes.... different.... than any other.... 3D objects, etc..
Chimera Cosmos: I think that getting students together with students from other parts of the world with similar interests is a great use of SL
Jamesly Haroldsen: I have done student collaboration on skype for class in FullSails U.
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj.....I prepared mine like for any other online class in terms of content
Kali Pizzaro: yep agree@chim
pareto Monk: a way to have a pre-made avi, male and felmale to get people started without having to bit off that part of the introduction would be good too.
AJ Brooks: @margaret, thanks. Anyone else?
Troy Vogel: @pareto there's a way....
Xilin Yifu: in some ways you have to prepare more thoroughly for an sl class than a rl class......
Chimera Cosmos: the diverse community is such a strength that it's a shame to deprive students of the experience
AJ Brooks: do you prepare differently for an SL class than a face to face one?
Profesora Farigoule: I prepare a lot more before hand for SL class, then I actually *do* a lot less myself during the SL learning sessions
Arteer Oliva: I use models
Xilin Yifu: requires much more careful lesson design
ssarnikar Resident: On skype how do you student collaboration?
Troy Vogel: Look up Ina Centaur
pareto Monk: sameo-change the hat-o or something very simple
Arteer Oliva: lots and lots of models
Troy Vogel: she makes open source avatars for use by education and non profit
Delenn Daines: to get them used to our campus the students do a scavanger hunt for free clothes
Geo Meek: if you missed the Opening you can find it here running in a loop http://www.livestream.com/SecondLifeLive
Kali Pizzaro: Agree @prof F
Profdan Netizen: Logistices are different, planning for groups, you have to have areas for students to tp to so they don't bleed into each other.
pareto Monk: I've found that one they see what can be done some find the motivation to go further.
Profesora Farigoule: can't just wing it in SL -grins
Cyberlily Beresford: I need to learn how to do something myself before I can show them how to do it
Teachergirl Razor: @AJ yes and no yes in terms of upfront work
Grizzla Pixelmaid: @Monk, I recently finished making 40 avs for students :)
iSkye Silverweb: I love watching teachers from different countries compare notes on how they teach and how their students learn :) A lot of things more in common than different!
Oronoque Westland: I should have talked to my first class about appearance so they did not strip as soon as they were rezzed
Profdan Netizen: In many ways, prepping for SL is more like a f2f class than an online class.
Jamesly Haroldsen: we met as a group online and used google to team write out document
pareto Monk: cool
Teachergirl Razor: *upfront
AJ Brooks: For those of you who are supported centrally, and have SL on campus, how do you deal with viewer updtes, like the one just this week? ( a questions posted to google moderator)
Chimera Cosmos: Cool. The chat is racing even faster than usual. ;-)
Arteer Oliva: lol ... Oro
pareto Monk: @Grizzla - how were they matched up to the students?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I would also say even more planning needed for a SL session, still have to plan a bit for what to do if various aspects of the technology fails
any1 Gynoid: / On instructional delivery in SL... I have to really encourage the students to speak up and jump in anytime... with questions, wisecracks, comments... of course I teach the 6:30am classes lol
Troy Vogel: well we have a different case at my university. Involvement in SL is coming from top down through IT department and the instructors did use our facilities for a while but since 2008 there has been a decline in use of SL
Kali Pizzaro: avp i think it is called one update updates all the computers
Troy Vogel: citing reasons like students lack of interest, learning curve, grid instability, "why does this matter" type of statements
Kali Pizzaro: by IT
Cyberlily Beresford: Many university campuses we have visited have been empty.
Cyberlily Beresford: My campus does not have a site.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ, we did not. The viewer needed to be on student machines, but every kid here has a laptop
Grizzla Pixelmaid: The avs aren't matched to the students. They are randomly assigned (other than male or female being matched) but they can modify them if they want.
Troy Vogel: so I think we have proven that involvement in SL needs to come from the trenches
AJ Brooks: campus are empty because SL is an event drive tool - so just like a classroom at 2am, which would be empty
Edric Emor: Any good 3rd party viewers that don't require so many updates`? Updates and politics are a pain...
Kali Pizzaro: like a lot of online learning and innovation troy
Buffy Beale whispers for the new folks if you click the up arrow by the chat line it brings up a window you can scroll up in to follow
Arteer Oliva: right on @Troy
Profdan Netizen: I've learned to shoot out an email warning students when an update arrives.
Troy Vogel: I would love to have instructors tearing my office door down to get into SL, instead I am stalking them with workshops, info sessions, office visits
AJ Brooks: in fact, we're on spring break this week - someone visiting right now would think nothing is going on here
Arwenna Stardust: I am the same as Ig - students have own laptop so can use whatever viewer they like - most dont use V2
Profesora Farigoule agrees w iggy - students migrated to their own laptops frequently as teh support was lagging behind
Teachergirl Razor: Here each update of sl is place on the campus servers for 2 locations/labs but within my faculty there are updates for 3 viewers
Cyberlily Beresford: Even the areas intended for socialization are empty.
Xann Kanto: Breaking News: UN Security Council Vote: 10 support; 0 against; 5 abstain. The resolution is adopted. S/1973-2011 to support Libya
Xilin Yifu: troy...i so agree with your comments about where the driving force needs to come from
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cyberlilly, average concurrency at campus sims is not the best measure of engagement. It's peak concurrency for events like this that tell the story.
any1 Gynoid: / I think the way that UNC has done their SL sim and SL community is exemplary... I wrote a story about it... http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-539241
AJ Brooks: well - perhaps the idea of socialization is not well placed. Many students see SL like they do the LMS
Kali Pizzaro: Cyberblily they may be having classes in a private area
Jens Nerido: Greetings from the EU AVATAR project - description of the course on the AVATAR website: http://www.avatarproject.eu/avatar/ - this is my first vist to this great konf. - great to be Global and feel it with you people!
AJ Brooks: Not many students socialize in Blackboard. :-)
iSkye Silverweb: I worked with an educator who herself wasn't sure of the value of SL in education - but once she saw the possibilities, that her students could discover how we are empowered to CREATE in SL, her whole focus and energy just renewed themselves and she's been truly motivated in engaging her students - once they discover how they can create and interact in world, they are HOOKED and they LEARN and want to learn MORE.
Arwenna Stardust: If campuses are empty apart from specific classes we are failing to engage students in wider learning?
Firery Broome: right
Elphaba Helendale: Blackboard Group Discussion Boards <--blah
Profesora Farigoule: good question, arwenna
Teachergirl Razor: smile AJ or WebCT version of it
AJ Brooks: lol
Kali Pizzaro: you got to show the value to an extent just like real life
Gwen Gwasi: @AJ, hehe, not many socialize on moodle either
Margaret Michalski: @AJ, i did my entire masters online and I don't view SL like a CMS at all...no where close
Troy Vogel: sigh nice website, we are working on something like this
Arteer Oliva: true-true ... but then gain, BB is not nearly as much fun.
Ran Hienrichs: @Arwe - campuses are empty on physical campuses as well
Cyberlily Beresford: I see.
Firery Broome: and how many students go hang out together in the library when they are on their free time
Aevalle Galicia: We have students in here all hours but they don't hang out on our virtual campus. Instead, they're exploring or socializing in places like Caledon or what have you.
Ran Hienrichs: Learning is event driven as a social process
Cyberlily Beresford: The libraries were also empty.
AJ Brooks: well - I'm not sure the students see the fun because they are being "forced" to do this, in many classes
Xilin Yifu: we are centrally supported but i have to do all the work to implement classes and motivate students.....however, there really does need to be an added benefit from using VWs over and above traditional teaching, otherwise there is not a lot of point persisting.....mind you, sometimes it takes quite a long time to find that additional value........
KendallQ Resident: Here's one of the best reasons I've read about why schools should be engaged in VR -- because they don't live in a vacuum -- http://daleinnis.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/why-virtual-worlds-are-important-for-business
Profesora Farigoule: my students went off and did "their own thing" in SL outside of classes (similar to RL) rather than increase their own intractions
Troy Vogel: well our younger students will spend hours killing people in PS3 but they tell us that they find SL creepy
AJ Brooks: if you have links to best practices, or good articles, please do feel free to post them
iSkye Silverweb: Arwenna, perhaps the students need to know they can come to the virtual campus to experiment and do things outside of classroom time.
Jamesly Haroldsen: @AJ at FullSails you have to so many weeks in SL
Xilin Yifu: one needs to constantly tweak and adjust what one does, both technically and pedagogically, to find what really works (or doesn't work)
Profesora Farigoule: @ troy - isn't that SO TRUE !!!!!
Starlight Harbour: @Troy -- "Creepy how?"
any1 Gynoid: nothing much happens without "events" in SL.. which I why I picked that as my 1st Instructional Design & Delivery more than 3 years ago
Troy Vogel: they think SL is for furries and sex....
Karelia Kondor: v good points @any1
Troy Vogel: I am serious
Arteer Oliva: well, then the teacher is not making it a good experience for them ... maybe more hands-on theme-based curriculum is needed
Troy Vogel: and if not that, they are not comfortable using an avatar
Casey Braumley: We are assuming that SL can only be beneficial for educational purpose if students come into it. We have machinima and a whole website as, what Zana would say is products of vw.
Arwenna Stardust: @Ran - yes sometimes but often lively debates going on in social spaces or students in library etc....? I think we focus too much on classroom type activity and don't challenge students to extend their learning out into the greater vw environment
Troy Vogel: the detachment seems to get in the way
Xann Kanto: @Troy... perhaps greater personal identification with VW avatars.
Troy Vogel: the younger they are the worse the syndrome
Hour Destiny: Troy Vogel, Valley of the Weird stuff?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Richmond students tend to find it "creepy" too because of the other identity aspect of it.
Teachergirl Razor: (realizing I am late to the discussion -- AJ have people talked about what areas they teach in in SL -- just say yes or no and I will check later)
AJ Brooks: Another question from Moderator - when you do classes in SL - are they alwasy synchronous?
Profesora Farigoule nods at Troy - he is serious
KendallQ Resident: If schools want to prepare people for being in society and the world, particularly universities need to be paying attention to what business is doing
Xilin Yifu: iskye...i find most of my students are not interested in coming in in their own time....their lives are busy enough......
Torrid Luna: @Troy tell them to use mouselook.
Jamesly Haroldsen: and we had to create a lesson using Jing, screenflo, and Mac iMovie
AJ Brooks: @teachergirl, I'll ask that next
Shamini39 Resident: most of the time yes
Troy Vogel: good points
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, mine never return to AL after class ends.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: *SL
Troy Vogel: does anyone have a student focus group?
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, can you be sure they don't make alts and go to those other aspects of SL
Xilin Yifu: and you have to make sure there is enough 'content' to ensure that there 'coming in' is worth the effort
Teachergirl Razor: mine are definitely both asynchronous and synchronous
Troy Vogel: we're thinking of setting up a club like focus group
Kali Pizzaro: yep and they can not nip on from their mobile the same way as facebook etc
Hour Destiny: How much of this is resistance to change, to new things?
Profesora Farigoule: only one of my students in 3 classes became an SL "regular"
Kali Pizzaro: mine syncrounous
Kali Pizzaro: group work
AJ Brooks: mine were always synchrnous
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret, I'm sure. They live real lives of avatarian bliss--affluent private school
AJ Brooks: so - what areas do you teach - just type it into local chat
Arwenna Stardust: I often find my students inworld :)
Eudaimon Guardian: Physics
pareto Monk: synchronous is very important to us.
Arwenna Stardust: I teach IT
Kali Pizzaro: nursing
Profdan Netizen: First year composition and creative writing.
Troy Vogel: Arwenna: so envious....
Aevalle Galicia: If you're teaching in programs htat have comps, setting up inworld study areas with resources is a good way to pull people in, I've discovered :)
Jamesly Haroldsen: I learned both ways Grand Canyon asynchronous and Fullsail synchronous and asynchronous
Starlight Harbour: Maybe we'll know we're "there" when students all have Sparkle or Pocket Metaverse on their phones so they can "stay in touch" with SL.
Profesora Farigoule: architectural design , and design fundamentals, design drawing
Sheila Yoshikawa: information management & educational informatics
Ran Hienrichs: Virtual Worlds - design, development, project management
CIT Alphaville: health - nursing, fitness trainers, dieticians
dradam Resident: I teach IT but my background is in Psychology
Torrid Luna: Languages at large, Chatterdale and NIFLAR
Rob Merchi: tourism & hospitality - voc ed
Delenn Daines: I do both synchronous for those that can make the group meeting where we go on filed trips and asynchronous notecards for those who can't make the meeting
Teachergirl Razor: I have group work and they decide whether to be in the parcel I have for that or do it as they choose -- but they are grad students
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy....just exploring all possibilities. : )
Aevalle Galicia: I teach future educators and instructional designers.
Arteer Oliva: vis comm
Graham Mills: Microbiology
Karelia Kondor: languages
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: literature, cyberculture, history of tech
iSkye Silverweb: In RL classes, professors encourage students to subscribe to field-relevant publications or join organisations - in SL, the students can be encouraged to try the groups and visit sims related to their fields of study. Just about anything you can imagine is here in SL.
Xilin Yifu: i think for a lot of younger people, they are craving more experience of RL and probably don't get enough opportunity / time to experience everything RL has to offer, so they don't want to spend time on something that is virtual
Hour Destiny: I do have Sparkle and Pocket Metaverse on my iPhone. :)
pareto Monk: we are doing business strategy with cross-discipline teams
Delenn Daines: environmental science
Gwen Gwasi: languages and EU projects
KendallQ Resident: anyone teaching graduate level?
Perplexity Peccable: library, healthcare, science 2.0, social media
AJ Brooks: thansk to those who have told us already - to the others, please do share what area you teach _even if you don't teach in SL yet
Cyberlily Beresford: I teach about "adult and higher education."
Meta Starostin: Many people come into Second Life expecting it to be a game. However SL is not a game as their is no objectives
Maggie Quinote: I teach grad courses in special ed and use synchronous and asynchronous engagement activities
Sicily Zapatero: Elementary School through June.....Then, hopefully, somewhere open to Virtual Worlds
Cyberlily Beresford: I teach at the graduate level to distance students.
Profesora Farigoule: good idea , iSkye - (copies it down)
Teachergirl Razor: mine are library and information science as grad and media, information and technoculture as undergrad
Birdie Newcomb: creative writing -- SL is great for that
Ignatius Tomsen: What I teach is not what is learned, in many cases
Buffy Beale: teach new executives how to get around in SL
iSkye Silverweb: @Kendall, I work with at least one professor of graduate students this semester
Alan Sandalwood: Also, students have other things to deal with. Family, jobs maybe chilkdren for the older students
Gentle Heron nods to Ignatius.
Karelia Kondor: @ignatius ㋡
Birdie Newcomb: Right, Ignatius
Arwenna Stardust: @iskye - agree. One of things I find really useful is getting students involved with a community - like NCI for example - get them integrating into SL generally not just the class
Profdan Netizen: Especially true at CC's @Alan.
Teachergirl Razor: agreed Ignatious
Profesora Farigoule smiles at iggy too
Troy Vogel: does anyone else feel that web media etc on a prim came too late?
Buffy Beale: but tooo shy to be a new user
Ignatius Tomsen: surely it is not content that matters but the nature of the connections that are forged..
AJ Brooks: what is teh greatest challenge you'd like to see overcome, best practices wise, in the next year of virtual worlds in education?
KendallQ Resident: Thanks to all on response on graduate level -- mind if I follow up as I'm doing my graduate project on specifcially this?
Troy Vogel: if it was here in 2007-2008 it would have been another SL now in terms of education?
Sabine Poliatevska: I teach marketing and my students develop projects in SL
Profdan Netizen: I use it alot, @Troy.
iSkye Silverweb: @Arwenna, exactly!
Xilin Yifu: if the pedagogical / disciplinary content is engaging enough and assists students towards their learning goals (both course specific and general life) effectively, they will come in and engage....otherwise......
Ignatius Tomsen: between people and ideas
Ran Hienrichs: @Troy - no
Troy Vogel: Me too, we almost changed everything over to media on a prim
Ignatius Tomsen: isn't that our core 'business' - connection
Ran Hienrichs: Natural interaction - Kinect style
Eudaimon Guardian: virtual world publicity and mainstreaming
Torrid Luna: @Troy, only so many avas use a 2.0 viewer nowadays, so it's not there yet.
Troy Vogel: interesting -- why no?
Alan Sandalwood: CC's ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woot. I meet my first other Iggy in SL :D
Sabine Poliatevska: the biggest challenge is to make the viwer more user friendly
Meta Starostin: media on prim not late. Things take time and innovation
Arwenna Stardust uses media on a prim!
Profdan Netizen: With my students, they all use 2.x
Troy Vogel: @Torrid yes... but I am talking more about the capability
Sabine Poliatevska: I think it's too complex for newbies
Cyberlily Beresford: I have great difficulty using 2.0 perhaps because I started with 1.0 viewer
Troy Vogel: it seemed to be a setback to SL I thought
AJ Brooks: what is the greatest challenge you'd like to see overcome, best practices wise, in the next year of virtual worlds in education?
Arteer Oliva: SL (tm) is not a one-size fits all .... have to mix it up ...
Arwenna Stardust: whoops that shoudl say NEVER uses media on a prim!
Ignatius Tomsen: @Iggy. Please don't call me iggy ;-)
Arteer Oliva: it may not be for "everyone" ... but those who do grab ahold of it, really do
Fauve Aeon: overcoming the general reputation that SL is just for sex, gaming and rp :(
Troy Vogel: I would love to hear from those that disagree
Cyberlily Beresford: But my students mainly use 2.0 which has been a problem
Margaret Michalski: @ Sabine, do you think it would be easier if students were given a choice of viewers to use?
Sabine Poliatevska: maybe not everybody needs to start with a viewer that does everything
pareto Monk: you missed rock and roll
Aevalle Galicia: Good one, Fauve :)
Gentle Heron: Why is that a problem Cyberlily?
Cyberlily Beresford: Also my avatar is a cloud when I use 2.0 but correct in 1.0
AJ Brooks: what viewer are you currently using - right now, for this event?
CIT Alphaville: i wish we could use viewer 2 but the firewall doesn't like it
Kali Pizzaro: that is coming sabine
Gwen Gwasi: it would be great to see SL run in a browser
Kali Pizzaro: 2.0
Eudaimon Guardian: 2
Cyberlily Beresford: The controls are different - I have to remember what the differences are.
Kali Pizzaro: i like it
AJ Brooks: 2.0
Cyberlily Beresford: I'm using 1.0
Troy Vogel: I am in V2.0 tho usually I use Imprudence
Aevalle Galicia: Our firewall hates V2, too
Profdan Netizen: @Cyberlilly that should clear up after using the first time.
ssarnikar Resident: Version 2 is upgraded to 2.5?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 1.23. No viewer 2 for me.
Zotarah Shepherd: 1.23
Rob Merchi: firewalls blocking access
Ran Hienrichs: @Troy - the media on a prim thing is about access to the internet. So, it's an awesome tool and needs to be perfected.
Ellanny Resident: 2.0
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj SL viewer 1.23....old viewer
Delenn Daines: v2
Angelika Corral: 2.0
Profdan Netizen: I use only 2.x
AJ Brooks: nobody here using a TPV?
Arteer Oliva: I strong encourage the use of the Phoenix viewer so that we are all on the same page, so to speak
Vic Michalak: 1.23
Alan Sandalwood: 2.5, Kirstens 21, Imprudence and Phoenix
Starlight Harbour thinks getting a good combination of SL/OpenSim and an external shared voice, shared whiteboard would rock -- but is an issue with laptops with small screens.
Sabine Poliatevska: Phoenix
JeanClaude Vollmar: Imprudence for me
Syn Enyo: I switch back and forth. Phoenix and V2.
Maggie Quinote: I use Sl in my graduate teaching to familiarize the teachers with the virtual world so that down the road when it becomes part of their school districts, they will have already thought about how to best use to support their students' learning.
Arwenna Stardust: Imprudence here
Aevalle Galicia: I was in Phoenix but kept crashing
Torrid Luna: Imprudence here
Perplexity Peccable: SL2
iSkye Silverweb: I use Phoenix and Firestorm (pre-release - looking forward to stable release!)
Dale Innis: Imprudence Experimental.
Cyberlily Beresford: I tried 2.0 on several computers at different times and I was still a cloud. So I went back to 1.0. Linden Labs was unable to solve the problem.
Elphaba Helendale: My SL 2.0 stopped working today. ;-/
Birdie Newcomb: I would think that for the students, SL would be a great way to try out different personalities, a lot safer than in RL
Profesora Farigoule doesn't know what viewer she is using
Meta Starostin: In technology you simply need to adopt to the changes along that journey. Will never be at a standstill
Perplexity Peccable: but we find SL Voice blocked with SL2
iSkye Silverweb: and Imprudence, Hippo, along with V2.5
Troy Vogel: I did not like phoenix... don't ask why, it was a gut thing
Alan Sandalwood: Vote for a shared whiteboard
Profesora Farigoule: the viewer works - lol
iSkye Silverweb: I use whatever works, but my favorite is Firestorm.
any1 Gynoid: my article comparing viewers.... http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-542895 in my SL classes I cater to BOTH viewer families... the split in general SL population is about 70/30 favoring Viewer 1 & Phoenix... for students new to SL... I bet they go closer to 90 Viewer 2
Perplexity Peccable: but firewalls - ports 5060 and 5062 for those who might have that problem
Starlight Harbour: Instead of "media on a prim" in many cases can use media on an external browser window with very little loss.
Profdan Netizen: Why is that, Lexi? It works for me, usually?
Hour Destiny: A way for people/groups to know which VWs/sims/groups might be a good fit for them. SL has some drawbacks that other grids/VWs might not have.
AJ Brooks: @Profesora - is it a SL viewer, or a third party viewer ike Hippo or Imprudence?
Profesora Farigoule thanks iSkye for writing those articles that she needs badly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I prefer Imprudence for OpenSim. Got it open now with my Jokaydia Grid avatar for her whistlestop tour
Tangre Lexenstar: Imprudence, Phoenix,
Gentle Heron: New users adapt well to Viewer 2, if their initial mentors are familiar and comfortable with it.
Arwenna Stardust: @any1 - yes agree that is pretty much the split I see too
Torrid Luna: The problem is that any panel with a small html message will launch a whole webkit instance, not good for smaller computers.
Profdan Netizen: Media on a prim with google docs works really well for collaboration among students.l
Profesora Farigoule: ooops - that was thanks to any!
Fauve Aeon: unconnected building systems and it is more difficult to take ypur builds from consistently world to world...but that's getting better
AJ Brooks: So - Iggy - you are here in Sl and in another grid - at the same time?
Troy Vogel: @Prof agreed also flickr slideshows...
Gianna Borgnine: despite community objections.. new users find V2 easier to use overall
Jamesly Haroldsen: I learned to create media on SL with Jing and put it on Youtube to transport to television on SL
Troy Vogel: we have a custom drag drop activity engine we built in flash and we can bring in all those activities into SL now
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ yes, and talking to Jokay on both grids!
AJ Brooks: WOW
AJ Brooks: my computer would totally crap out
Rob Merchi: there are a few of us who are multi gridding as we participate ...
Aevalle Galicia grins
AJ Brooks: i had to shut all my windows but the browsers to see moderator
Profesora Farigoule: yes - need more cross VW transferability without hassles
Kali Pizzaro: i taught myself while i sat with a broken ankle for ten weeks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: got the work broadband going. It's fast
Arwenna Stardust: @Gianna - proof? not in my experience
Linteus Dench: I offer History themed experiences to primary school students. First aim is raise curiosity, the second one is to increase awareness about criticism using internet as an information collecting tool. Then to me VW are more an involving introductory tool then an information vehicle.
Troy Vogel: so students in SL can play with drag drop sorting activities right in the virtual village they're visiting
Kali Pizzaro: woop to that broken ankle
Sabine Poliatevska: Media on a prim doesnt work with Phoenix, does it?
Rob Merchi: synchronous multi gridding at that
Perplexity Peccable: I have faculty who swear by SL2 and faculty who say it is so bad they won't use it
Troy Vogel: no doesnt
Aevalle Galicia: Being able to grid hop would be awesome :)
iSkye Silverweb: @Linteus, that sounds fantastic!
Troy Vogel: phoenix, imprudence et all are all v 1.*
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, is that based on the type of computer?
Grizzla Pixelmaid: @Linteus: primary school? How do you do that, with the age restrictions?
AJ Brooks: From Moderator - does anyone teach classes that are open to the public, or only for your formally enrolled students?
any1 Gynoid: Kirstens is the only non-Linden Labs Viewer 2 variant
Arwenna Stardust: gridhopping is great in the OpenSim universe :)
Meta Starostin: You computer hardware is very important as is your choice of broadband. Note that Linden Labs do not support wireless connections
Linteus Dench: coughs
Gianna Borgnine: presented tours with several classes at different Universities.. students choosing to use V2 found things easier overall
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret, MacBook Pro with an external monitor for SL, OpenSim on the laptop screen
Maggie Quinote: Only formally enrolled
Torrid Luna nods at @any1
Fauve Aeon: hypergrid is developing but the ability to take your stuph back and forth with any kind of reliability is not there yet.
Troy Vogel: also no wireless network if you can help it...
Sabine Poliatevska: Formally enrolled students
Grizzla Pixelmaid: @Arwenna - it's great as long as you don't crash. :)
Aevalle Galicia: I do multiple tours per week that are open to the public, including the educational ones :)
iSkye Silverweb: Not quite, any1...
Gwen Gwasi: open
Teachergirl Razor: eachergirl Razor: I can be two people at once in one grid but two places? Love it Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: formally enrolled only although we did offer class to teach SL when we first got going 2 years ago
Troy Vogel: wireless is a great way to have pain in SL , especially if you're building
Linteus Dench: pre made avatar and closed sim, allowed only to the group members.
Angelle Marquette: Use a safe avatar for storing your things. Then Hypergrid jumping is just fine
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Troy, true. Students really found it must faster too if they just plug in the AC adapter
Arteer Oliva: exactly
Arwenna Stardust: @Grizzla - true!! lol :)
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj, I am open to anything in regards to teaching.
Linteus Dench: And online operators, or guides, taking the class to the experience.
Profesora Farigoule would *love* to teach classes open to public - but thinks the admin would have a FIT if anyone could just drop in
Karelia Kondor: (this is all so useful .. I want to make friends with everyone!)
Troy Vogel: oh yes, laptops rev down when running from battery
Grizzla Pixelmaid: @Linteus - cool.
Troy Vogel: unless you go into settings and change that SL will run slower
AJ Brooks: Is anyone teaching the younger kids, 16 and 17, now that they are allowed on the main grid?
Sloan Skjellerup: whoa ... I'm soo sorry about my open mic
iSkye Silverweb waves to Karelia
Meta Starostin: there is too much latency in wireless for time sensitive traffic
Jamesly Haroldsen: yes battery is a big problem with schools old laptops
Troy Vogel: @Meta: Agreed
Arwenna Stardust: not yet AJ but plans to do so :)
Linteus Dench: we use always a "museum online guide", a third person other then teacher
Profdan Netizen: I have a 16 yo in my creative writing class.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: even older Vista PC Laptops worked okay when wired to the network and running on the adapter to the AC current. But students hate being tethered
Howdy Colter: So which sims have voice anyways?
Delenn Daines: I use wireless constantly and have very little problems
Fauve Aeon: I would also like to hear about people teaching the younger teens on the grid, is it going well?
Karelia Kondor waves back to iSkye .. great to read you even if I don;t see you!
iSkye Silverweb: @Linteus, that's kind of my role with the professor
AJ Brooks: @Howdy - all sims have the potential for voice
Troy Vogel: also sculpted prims are a big problem with their melting behavior and not enough people knowing about the LOD overrides...
Kali Pizzaro: me too wireless
Torrid Luna: @Troy, I am content creator in SL since 2007 and I have never hat problems with Wireless. This is a common myth, /methinks.
Meta Starostin: Also Blizzard do not support wireless for any of their MMOs
Troy Vogel: it is impossible to explain a new comer why the library furniture is melting every time they step away
Profdan Netizen: lol
AJ Brooks: So - as we wind down the last 10 minutes of our session - let me just remind you that
Hour Destiny: There's also the possibility of griefers. Need at least one person on hand who can get rid of troublemakers.
Profesora Farigoule laughs at Troy
Aevalle Galicia chuckles. It's sometimes hard to explain it to "oldbies" as well!
AJ Brooks: we meet each week on Thursdays - at 2:30pm SLT - on the Montclair State CHSSSouth sim
Sabine Poliatevska: I have a question for those who'se students use their own lsptops. How do you manage the fact that laptops with good enough graphic cards are more expensive. Can all your students afford them? and if not what do you do?
Chimera Cosmos: wifi is ok if it's very fast wifi -- if not, it sucks
Linteus Dench: closed sims, against griefers
Troy Vogel: but arent griefers trending down?
AJ Brooks: And you should join our group in facebook to get the latest information
Troy Vogel: you should have seen it in 2007-2008
Troy Vogel: oursandbox was hell
Kali Pizzaro: yeah the graphics card is a problem
AJ Brooks: If peopel are having lag problems, I suggest they try a TPV - I lke Imrudence
Profesora Farigoule: @hour - that is why we ended up renting our own land for class - the griefers in public sandboxes became way too problematic
Arteer Oliva: @Troy ... create a notecard with all the "answers" and cut and paste like a smarty pants ... heehe
AJ Brooks: Imprudence
Chimera Cosmos: I've been here since 2006 and can count the number of griefer incidents I've seen on one hand
Cyberlily Beresford: I have not had much trouble with griefers at the academic sites.
Kali Pizzaro: me too chim
AJ Brooks: Also a side note - I had Justin Clark-Casey as my guest on our VWERGrid last week
Troy Vogel: hehe
Howdy Colter: Voice is down in Central 3, at least to me
Aevalle Galicia: Oh, I've seen quite a few, but that was back in the Gateway days.
AJ Brooks: and he said he thought the Imprudence viewer was the best for OpenSim
Meta Starostin: The GPU is the factor that influences FPS
teddy Zepp: may i ask what are the main topics here please?
iSkye Silverweb: @AJ, oohhh
Cyberlily Beresford: Once we were bothered at Virtual Ability Island a couple of years ago.
Hour Destiny: I've seen griefers on NPC.
Arwenna Stardust: @ Chimera - agreed! me too
Profesora Farigoule: @ chimera - they happened daily in my situation - not having our own SL sim
Alan Sandalwood: I joined second life going on a 2008 computer with no graphics card. It wasn't as pretty as it could be but it functioned fine.
CIT Alphaville: one griefer attack a year ago - posting porn - still has our http access in world locked out
Torrid Luna: '\o/ to Imprudence^^
AJ Brooks: Any educators ever have to deal with Griefers during a class?
Kali Pizzaro: i have a area i can close off
Chimera Cosmos: I always use Imprudence for OpenSim
Profesora Farigoule: and the guys running off to flirt w female avs
Gianna Borgnine: @Troy LOD levels will be improved with Mesh
Aevalle Galicia: I have
CIT Alphaville: we had a bagpiper that refused to leave the island once
Teachergirl Razor: I have found Imprudence the best for grid hopping
Troy Vogel: I havent, I usually close the sim down for that hour
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ yes. I broke TOS and shot one
Cyberlily Beresford: I use an old computer at home but it has a great graphics card. Second Life runs just fine on it.
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj, the imprudence website offers a stable and experimental version. So, if your willing to put up with bugs try the experimental : )
Chimera Cosmos: once you get Imprudence set up with the different grids, it's really easy
Profesora Farigoule: yes - deal with griefers regularly
Troy Vogel: just safe then sorry
Teachergirl Razor: Yes re Griefers
Arteer Oliva: Christmas 2006 ... the "Santa-penis Incident"
iSkye Silverweb: Imprudence is great for OpenSim tho I've used other viewers
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is a typical Virginian :)
Arwenna Stardust: once AJ - we just tp'd them off sim and banned
Dale Innis: haha bagpiper
AJ Brooks: @Margaret - the Experiment is not really that buggy either and Imrpudeence recommends it
Perplexity Peccable: worried about griefers, looking for best practices
Angelle Marquette: Hear hear, Chimera
Vic Michalak: --- Regarding teaching in SL - see http://www.sciencecircle.org --- we are teaching free, open, university-level courses in SL -- 1-2 courses every day of the week -- see http://conf.vwbpe.org/index.php/VWBPE/11/paper/view/111 for our presentation at VWBPE... [so many people here interested in education in SL - had to adverstise... but legitimate adverstising]
Profesora Farigoule: that is why my av Name is Profesora= can play the heavy anywhere (winks)
Perplexity Peccable: we just opened to public
Arteer Oliva: yesss
Gianna Borgnine: Imprudence is my fav for other grids
Aevalle Galicia: Thankfully, I have full estate rights at the university sim and can boot them and generally, we have a pretty good staff on hand at Oxbridge
Elphaba Helendale: Not so much outside distractions but I have an interesting problem with students who are SL residents.
Fauve Aeon: someone mentioned the inability to fire up SL on a mobile but there are also at least 2 apps for Ipod that I know of that at least allow local and person to person chaat
any1 Gynoid shouts: <-- running to next event... STEM teaching in SL! secondlife:///app/teleport/VWBPE%20East%202/56/116/32 Cya There!
AJ Brooks: well - the next events are going to start soon
Elphaba Helendale: They attend class in slutty clothes. Why do they think this is appropriate??
AJ Brooks: are there any last questions or comments?
Profdan Netizen: I've only had a griefer once, and I don't 'have my own land. Just tped students elsewhere.
Chimera Cosmos: I think experiencing a griefer attack could generate some good conversation - how is it different from being mugged in RL, etc.
Profesora Farigoule: @perplexity - having your own land and then eject rights is in my mind the best solution to griefers
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jokay's grid-hop tour starts in a few
Linteus Dench: i have an headache....
Arwenna Stardust: Yep - I am off to Jokaydiagrid - see you all - thanks AJ
Chimera Cosmos: and there is really no harm except in terms of time
Fauve Aeon: ty for the panel, enjoyed it muchly.
Kali Pizzaro: hey if you want a vwer/vwbpe tshirt let me know
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Roderick Usher will see you there, Arwenna :)
Troy Vogel: (is that my heartbeat I am hearing)
Margaret Michalski: @AJ, no not major bugs like some things but you can expect problems ...that is all
CIT Alphaville: re slutty clothes - had a good chat about appropriate workwear
Elphaba Helendale: Great talk!
AJ Brooks: http://www.vwer.org
Cyberlily Beresford: I would love to have my own land. My institution is not at all interested.
Zana Kohime: thank you AJ
teddy Zepp: what goals can be reach using virtual world
AJ Brooks: Thansk everyone! this was amazing!
Stoltz Sinatra: I had a griefer that flooded my sim with gigantus penises that started to attack people - It looked quite funny as people started to try to run away from them - He earned some style points in my book......And then he got banned :-)
Raskolnikow Roffo: Bravo!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: transcript will run of this event in a few weeks! Thanks, AJ
Linteus Dench: thank you!
Meta Starostin: Griefers - I just capture them and send them off to a Gorean slave trader
Kali Pizzaro: cheers all
AJ Brooks: Although it may take a while for the transcript
Maggie Quinote: We rent and it has worked out well.
Grizzla Pixelmaid: I tell people SL is kinda like going into downtown Atlanta - there are great places and people, but you have to learn to be careful where you go and who you talk to
iSkye Silverweb: @Arteer: "That was before my time" (rezzed May 2009)
JeanClaude Vollmar clapps
Kavon Zenovka: yay!
Profesora Farigoule: re slutty clothes - we have SL class contract ... that states all rules of college student code of conduct apply in SL class as well
Chimera Cosmos: you can get a sim really cheap on Jokaydiagrid and others -- especially if you share
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks everyone
Sabine Poliatevska: Thanks
AJ Brooks: wow - this was great
Aevalle Galicia: Thanks :)
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, AJ.
Birdie Newcomb: tx
Karelia Kondor: does jokaydia grid have voice?
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ
Troy Vogel: at the end of our faculty orientation workshops we hand out money and give instructors a list of shops to go
AJ Brooks: Thanks everyone - you guys were the best
Aevalle Galicia: Good discussion!
Arteer Oliva: lmao ... should been there ... tho, I have a "few" other stories ...
Troy Vogel: thanks everyone :-)
Addison Greymyst: Thanks AJ
Arteer Oliva: lmao
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Iggy
Elphaba Helendale: Profesora - is there a way I can see your contract for students?
KendallQ Resident: Interesting point on slutty clothes . . . why does it matter (and point of reference I'm 50 in RL)
Teachergirl Razor: thanks so much
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ
Dale Innis: Applause!!
Perplexity Peccable: is there a complete chatlog?
Perplexity Peccable: I was late
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you all!
Profesora Farigoule: @troy - i pay my students at begiining of course
Kali Pizzaro: woop
Profesora Farigoule: too
Alan Sandalwood: Thanks AJ, well done. A great meeting with such a large audience
Cyberlily Beresford: Thanks for a great chat!
iSkye Silverweb: This was great!
Linteus Dench: an aspirin please...
AJ Brooks: @Lexi - the transcript will be posted to our library in a few weeks, once Iggy gets it all set