Topic: In-world and Boston meeting for SLCC 2010

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[11:38] Kali Pizzaro: Let us know who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.

[11:38] Kali Pizzaro: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey

[11:38] Maggie Marat: Peggy Sheehy - Teen Educator and VWs Consultant

[11:38] Rk Jinn: Rk Jinn, Rutgers University, Rick Anderson

[11:38] Oronoque Yarrowroot: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, City University of New York

[11:38] Zola Zsun: Linda Lindsey-UTSA

[11:38] Olivia Hotshot: ann steckel, from Cal State Univ - techie, educator, conference chick, and all around jill of all trades.

[11:38] Blueskies Poliatevska: Avril Barnes

[11:38] Karelia Kondor: I'm Helen Myers, Ashcombe School, Surrey UK - languages' teacher and manager and setting up 'Lingualand' in Skoolaborate, Teengrid

[11:39] Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Nurse Lecturer Glasgow Caledonian University In Scotland

[11:39] Pawlus Twine: Pawel Topol, Poland, Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan.

[11:39] Kali Pizzaro: poo

[11:39] Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI.

[11:39] Kali Pizzaro: Thnaks everyone for coming

[11:39] hobbs Constantine: is Heather Dodds, Course Mentor in Natural Sciences, Western Governors University and also PhD student at Capella University, Instructional Design in Online learning

[11:39] anna Begonia: antonella berriolo, free lance italian teacher

[11:40] Olivia Hotshot: \o/ Kali!

[11:40] Mimi Muircastle: Mimi Muircastle/Charlotte Burch retired mid. school prin. Clive Safari team member in SL

[11:40] Esparanza FreeseEsparanza Freese is Hope Botterbusch, just an old educator ;-)

[11:40] Kali Pizzaro: come sit at the table folks

[11:40] Kali Pizzaro: bows

[11:40] Robin Mochi: Robin Ashford, George Fox University, Portland, Oregon, USA - Reference Librarian and adjunct instructor Robin Ashford, Reference Librarian and adjunct instructor at George Fox University, Portland, Oregon, USA

[11:40] Kali Pizzaro: IM me Questions if you want

[11:40] Kali Pizzaro: scary

[11:40] Mimi Muircastle: ultimate augmented reality :)

[11:41] Robin Mochi: lol

[11:41] Kali Pizzaro: we can hear you fine in the back

[ [11:41] Mimi Muircastle: way back!

[11:41] Karelia Kondor: is there sound?

[11:41] Atalante Bookmite: ms mueller, educator, too, from germany, teaching maths and science subjects at high school level

[11:41] Mimi Muircastle: yes, zoom into the media if you are inworld

[11:41] Kali Pizzaro: zoom into the stream

[11:41] Kali Pizzaro: prim

[11:41] Olivia Hotshot: 16 year olds will move to reg grid - teen grid is closing

[11:41] anna Begonia: yes, click on the board

[11:42] Kali Pizzaro: AJ is saying the teen grid is closing or letting in 16 and 17 year olds

[11:42] Kali Pizzaro: so this will make it easier to include the whole class

[11:42] Kali Pizzaro: opensource is the other big issue

[11:42] Wainbrave Bernal: ready

[11:42] Kali Pizzaro: then we will ask Jon and Ann to talk about CLIVE

[11:43] Wainbrave Bernal: or less

[11:43] Olivia Hotshot: Jon, ready?

[11:43] Kali Pizzaro: Jon will be on soon

[11:43] Kali Pizzaro: we can hear everyone at the back of the room

[11:43] Kali Pizzaro: ;-)

[11:43] Wainbrave Bernal: kk

[11:43] Olivia Hotshot: ok Jon.

[11:43] Olivia Hotshot: type into chat and we will discuss.

[11:43] Kali Pizzaro: GO Jon

[11:44] Olivia Hotshot: vwer.org

[11:44] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey everyone. Thanks AJ and Olivia for giving me a minute here on the VWER Roundtable. I won't take but a minute as I know that you all have so much to discuss. You can read about this stuff on the VWER blog http://www.vwer.org/ and visit CLIVE Island in Second Life.

[11:44] Olivia Hotshot: Rebel Yell, is Iggy's new blog post on VWER - look for it soon.

[11:44] Kali Pizzaro: ooooohhhhhh

[11:44] Kali Pizzaro: thats me

[11:44] Wainbrave Bernal: I want everyone to know that the CLIVE MERLOT project is moving along and we're ready for your participation. Thanks to the MERLOT Virtual Learning Taskforce, we have an official Taxonomy for adding, vetting, and finding video games, augmented reality experiences, and virtual learning builds curated by content experts. You can see the categories and link your own professional interests as well as virtual learning materials to any of these individual areas: http://www.merlot.org/merlot/categories.htm

[11:45] Wainbrave Bernal: You'll find that there are already a few examples of the range of virtual learning experiences associated with some of these categories already. We intend for this collection to grow quickly you can help this by becoming a member of MERLOT and associating related project webpages and completing the relevant Òlearning descriptorsÓ that go with it. If the virtual experience in question happens to be located here in Second Life Ð you can also use the CLIVE MERLOT HUD Ð to be found on CLIVE Island Ð and now with dispensors available for you to have and to hold.

[11:45] Kali Pizzaro: send me any questions

[11:45] Wainbrave Bernal: CLIVE Virtual Safaris are investigative activities conducted by educators, instructional designers, and other learning specialists who set out to explore specific virtual world locations by analyzing simulations, games, and other virtual environments for content, learning potential and ease of use.

[11:45] Kali Pizzaro: Im or put in local chat

[11:46] Wainbrave Bernal: so come over to CLIVE Island, check out the MERLOT website for CLIVE's community site, and join in on the fun!

[11:46] Kali Pizzaro: 21 on the sim at the mo

[11:46] Zola Zsun: I have no sound either here on on the webpage in my browser on the same page.. :\

[11:46] Olivia Hotshot: A View from Europe - Kali's blog

[11:47] Kali Pizzaro: Zola I will transcribe

[11:47] Zola Zsun: i do hear another room on my other computer though :))

[11:47] Kali Pizzaro: Any question about CLIVE if you want to get involved IM Olivia Hotshot

[11:47] Kali Pizzaro: the first pilot has just been done

[11:48] Kali Pizzaro: so please if you want to go to CLIVE IM Olivia or help with the safari

[11:48] Wainbrave Bernal: thanks AJ and Olivia and thank you all!

[11:48] Olivia Hotshot: We CANNOT trouble shoot now - please do not send me any IMs fo rhelp. sorry.

[11:48] Kali Pizzaro: Jon was our special guest in June so go there for the transcript to the vwer

[11:49] Olivia Hotshot: cannot read IMs atm - will get to everyone soon.

[11:49] Kali Pizzaro: AJ - lets talk about opensource

[11:49] Kali Pizzaro: about

[11:49] Profdan Netizen: Too bad the camera's not focused more on speakers.

[11:49] Kali Pizzaro: AJ thinks SL should be a metaverse

[11:49] Olivia Hotshot: camera is a stationary thing in back of room - we do not have control over it

[11:50] Olivia Hotshot: is AJ on camera?

[11:50] Kali Pizzaro: where is OS

[11:50] Profdan Netizen: I kind of figured that.

[11:50] Olivia Hotshot: praying it is not me

[11:50] Kali Pizzaro: he can TP between his OS and SL

[11:50] Profdan Netizen: Can't tell, too far away.

[11:50] Olivia Hotshot: ok

[11:50] hobbs Constantine: clearly, sound does get better and worse so it matters what direction the speaker is facing

[11:50] Olivia Hotshot: room is very long and not wide.

[11:50] Mimi Muircastle: see AJ's hand moving !

[11:50] Kali Pizzaro: he thought Philips talk brought some good ideas

[11:50] Kali Pizzaro: with Opensim

[11:51] Olivia Hotshot: lots of news from conference today

[11:51] Wainbrave Bernal: hooray for Chilbo!

[11:51] Kali Pizzaro: there is a number of OS grids jokay, Reaction grid etc

[11:51] Kali Pizzaro: Heritage Key

[11:51] Kali Pizzaro: go see the content they create

[11:51] Kali Pizzaro: it is fab

[11:51] Kali Pizzaro: stonehenge etc

[11:52] Kali Pizzaro: AJ - a few educational institutions are discussion creating a metaverse of OS sims

[11:52] Kali Pizzaro: this was pushed by the NZ

[11:52] Kali Pizzaro: grid

[11:52] Kali Pizzaro: loyalist, etc all joining up

[11:53] Kali Pizzaro: we are keeping it small at the moment we are sorting the governance

[11:53] jokay Wollongong: *Waves* to all ;)

[11:53] Robin Mochi: long commercial?

[11:53] Kali Pizzaro: our graduates have not been able to participate so we started our OS grid

[11:54] Kali Pizzaro: we want to also know who comes to our grid

[11:54] Kali Pizzaro: Hey Jokay

[11:55] Kali Pizzaro: What do you think about open source

[11:55] jokay Wollongong: hehe opensim rocks

[11:55] Kali Pizzaro: Do you have a Opensim Grid

[11:55] Kali Pizzaro: do you want to participate

[11:55] jokay Wollongong: yes jokaydiaGRID opened up a few months ago..

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: Linda Kelly - you seem to be talking about formal education are you open to non profit

[11:56] jokay Wollongong: we have several projects happening there already.. including kids from montana. vocational edu and history

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: I am part of virtual democracy

[11:56] jokay Wollongong: we started in Reactiongrid in October last year

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: Linda Kelly

[11:56] Olivia Hotshot: 24 on sim atm

[11:56] hobbs Constantine: lol

[11:56] jokay Wollongong: ooh nice Olivia!

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- we decided to keep it formal educational institutions at teh moment

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: but what is education

[11:56] Olivia Hotshot: 30 here at conference for the record

[11:56] Kali Pizzaro: that is the Q

[11:57] Kali Pizzaro: We are keeping restricted at the moment but that will change in the future

[11:57] Kali Pizzaro: Linda agrees

[11:58] Olivia Hotshot: open sim conversation

[11:58] Wainbrave Bernal: UOregon and Lane Community College

[11:58] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- Any one else

[11:58] Profdan Netizen: Can't hear others in room...

[11:59] Wainbrave Bernal: what museum is that?

[11:59] Olivia Hotshot: frank Lloyd Wright museum builder speaking now.

[11:59] Kali Pizzaro: some of the builders in Frank Lloyd Wright museum

[11:59] Kali Pizzaro: will help

[11:59] jokay Wollongong: heheh.. nothing AJ.. bring on the opensim goodness.. hehe

[12:00] Kali Pizzaro: what is holding you back

[12:00] jokay Wollongong: We've had kids from Montana inworld in the last few weeks and it has been truly inspiring to watch kids 10-14 having an awesome time inworld

[12:00] Kali Pizzaro: AJ asks

[12:00] Kali Pizzaro: AJ we are on ustream

[12:00] Profdan Netizen: Sounds very cool, Jokay.

[12:00] Atalante Bookmite: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/slcc3

[12:00] Xon Emoto: 124 right now

[12:00] jokay Wollongong: thy are the cutest profdan ;)

[12:01] Olivia Hotshot: tweeting pictures of us here for you all

[12:01] hobbs Constantine: sim crashed at SLCC possibly

[12:01] jokay Wollongong: You dont have to have your own server.. there are a growing number of GREAT opensim hosts

[12:01] Kali Pizzaro: how many folk have institutional buy in for SL

[12:01] Kali Pizzaro: 10 in the room

[12:01] Kali Pizzaro: better than the past AJ says

[12:02] Profdan Netizen: How many have buy in and are committing funds?

[12:02] Kali Pizzaro: so this looks like VWs is getting used more

[12:02] Xon Emoto: 3 universities participating in Campus Hamburg in 3D

[12:02] Kali Pizzaro: you need buy in and a prt

[12:02] Kali Pizzaro: port

[12:02] Wainbrave Bernal: ha ha

[12:02] Kali Pizzaro: lots of folks said we will not get buy in but it is increasing

[12:02] Olivia Hotshot: blaaaaaak Wednesday

[12:03] jokay Wollongong: meh yeah-buts ;)

[12:03] Kali Pizzaro: How many folk have been in more than 3 years

[12:03] Olivia Hotshot: geofrank is talking about his build on reaction grid

[12:03] Kali Pizzaro: Frank - I put models in OS

[12:03] Kali Pizzaro: geofrank

[12:03] Kali Pizzaro: the amount of OS

[12:03] Kali Pizzaro: is confusing

[12:04] jokay Wollongong: my oldest avvie is 5

[12:04] Kali Pizzaro: maybe we are spreading to fin

[12:04] Kali Pizzaro: thin

[12:04] Kali Pizzaro: ha

[12:04] Wainbrave Bernal: we ARE spreading the wealth too thin in the virtual ed dev community, GeoFrank - I totally agree

[12:04] jokay Wollongong: I think the audience spread thing is changing.. hypergrid means we can all connect

[12:04] Wainbrave Bernal: Anthony Fontana rocks the universe (both of them)

[12:04] Kali Pizzaro: Anthony Fontana- one of the reasons we are looking into OS we want to get performance control

[12:05] Kali Pizzaro: we have criminal science wanting to set up simulation pharmacy

[12:05] Kali Pizzaro: they want private area

[12:05] Kali Pizzaro: other stuff in SL were we want public to come

[12:06] Kali Pizzaro: who is this

[12:06] Kali Pizzaro: talking

[12:06] Kali Pizzaro: ?

[12:06] Profdan Netizen: Can't hear...

[12:07] jokay Wollongong: dead airwaves here too

[12:07] Wainbrave Bernal: plus, the content ownership issues that institutions have with the revised TOS that Linden came out with in April. How to create, maintain, and legitimately vet publicly funded materials

[12:07] Kali Pizzaro: Aj - he thinks if he has a paid for hire build he should be avble to take it elsewhere

[12:07] Kali Pizzaro: if you are getting more money let me know

[12:07] jokay Wollongong: And the fact that Linden change their policy at will Wainbrave ;)

[12:07] Kali Pizzaro: only joking boss

[12:07] Atalante Bookmite: lol

[12:08] Olivia Hotshot: Phillip addressed the content question - look for his talk online

[12:08] Wainbrave Bernal: zactly, Jokay :)

[12:08] Profdan Netizen: mike, mike, mike, mike...

[12:08] Xon Emoto: Prok, can hardly hear you

[12:08] jokay Wollongong: Philips talk was nice.. but its getting harder to believe anything the lab says

[12:08] Pawlus Twine: Prok, pls grab the mike :)

[12:08] Olivia Hotshot: she has it

[12:08] Pawlus Twine: ok :)

[12:08] Olivia Hotshot: she speaks softly

[12:08] Olivia Hotshot: =)

[12:08] Kali Pizzaro: there is contents where you take to other areas

[12:09] hobbs Constantine: perhaps we can clarify, she doesn't have Ann's mike

[12:09] Olivia Hotshot: Phillip discussed the possibility of a creative commonesque sort of thing for SL now

[12:09] Kali Pizzaro: Prok - but there used to be a toggle that included send to other grids

[12:09] Olivia Hotshot: very complicated

[12:09] Kali Pizzaro: but you cannot control how the other grid will handle it

[12:10] jokay Wollongong: *sighs*.... copyright and IP will hold back humanity for as long as we let it

[12:10] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- it is complicated but bring back that pop up

[12:10] Wainbrave Bernal: how bout adding the layers of Creative Commons licenses?

[12:10] jokay Wollongong: there must be ways to implement workable CC licensing solutions in 3d

[12:10] jokay Wollongong: snap wainbrave! ;)

[12:10] Olivia Hotshot: good idea Wain - we need to start now so we can have it in 5 years =)

[12:10] Wainbrave Bernal: lol

[12:10] Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- has a number of employees who pass stuff on but if they are working for me i own or the uni owns it

[12:10] Kali Pizzaro: owns it but sometimes they take it away with them

[12:11] Kali Pizzaro: then i cannot get it

[12:11] Kali Pizzaro: the admin should be the owner

[12:11] Profdan Netizen: can't hear, got everything cranked to the sky.

[12:11] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- that is work for Hire

[12:11] Olivia Hotshot: zoom in on prim

[12:11] Kali Pizzaro: look up the legal stuff

[12:11] Olivia Hotshot: media prim

[12:11] Kali Pizzaro: legal

[12:11] Profdan Netizen: Zoomed in, but that's better.

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: builder bot was like this

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: not saying this is a good thing but this is not new

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: AJ

[12:12] Olivia Hotshot: now talking about teen grid - maggie marat is here.

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: any questions folks

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: IM me

[12:12] Olivia Hotshot: REALLY proud we are pulling this off with such success - despite sound issues - way to go VWER peeps!

[12:12] Kali Pizzaro: or post in local

[12:13] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- deferring to Peggy Sheehy

[12:13] Mimi Muircastle: great job, - you all should be very proud!

[12:13] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- Peggy give us your view

[12:13] Lolly Dovgal: VWER people are incredible. I'm so impressed!

[12:13] Kali Pizzaro: Peggy Sheehy- I am a teacher

[12:13] Kali Pizzaro: I am all about the kids

[12:14] Kali Pizzaro: we established the teen grid in 2007 we have hundreds

[12:14] Kali Pizzaro: of schools through

[12:14] Olivia Hotshot: Phillip Linden is in the room

[12:14] Kali Pizzaro: I have seen the MAGIC

[12:14] Olivia Hotshot: he is NOT with Elvis

[12:14] Mimi Muircastle: lol

[12:14] Kali Pizzaro: when a student really gets it

[12:14] Olivia Hotshot: he honestly is HERE

[12:14] Olivia Hotshot: with VWER

[12:14] Karelia Kondor: ?

[12:14] Mimi Muircastle: very cool

[12:14] Kali Pizzaro: this was all about getting this

[12:15] Kali Pizzaro: seen as a good pedagogical tool

[12:15] Kali Pizzaro: we got little help it was

[12:15] Kali Pizzaro: the educators who got this going

[12:15] jokay Wollongong: Actually peggy makes a good point.. the education community provides LL with lots of examples which help them move beyond the sex,drugs and rocknroll view so many have

[12:15] Kali Pizzaro: in conf etc that got this going

[12:15] Kali Pizzaro: everyone thought it was only about sex

[12:16] jokay Wollongong: If i had $1 for everytime i've explained that stuff in the last 6 years.. lolz

[12:16] Kali Pizzaro: why would we want kids

[12:16] Mimi Muircastle: read the blogs by teen grid students - it is magic in their lives

[12:16] Kali Pizzaro: the conversation is ongoing

[12:16] Kali Pizzaro: i feel we need to address are we dealing with conference speak

[12:16] jokay Wollongong: Good question Peggy!

[12:16] QueenOfNorway Alex: are they closing down the teen grid?

[12:16] Kali Pizzaro: my loyalty is with LL but

[12:17] Kali Pizzaro: are you going to let us down if not i will go elsewhere

[12:17] jokay Wollongong: I think we are dealing with a lot of corporate speak in general.. .someone ask Philip why we should trust them?? ;)

[12:17] Kali Pizzaro: they did help us

[12:17] Olivia Hotshot: 24 on sim -

[12:17] Karelia Kondor: Very well put Peggy

[12:17] Karelia Kondor: excellent approach

[12:17] Kali Pizzaro: i will not jump on boo LL

[12:17] Kali Pizzaro: but lets see it

[12:17] Kali Pizzaro: is it all about the $$ if

[12:17] jokay Wollongong: hrm.. dunno if i agree with an edu grid

[12:18] jokay Wollongong: creepy treehouse

[12:18] Kali Pizzaro: it is give us an education grid

[12:18] Kali Pizzaro: why are our schools failing

[12:18] Mimi Muircastle: amen, Peggy

[12:18] jokay Wollongong: go peggy! ;)

[12:18] hobbs Constantine: Somebody get some water because Peggy is on fire!

[12:18] Achrysalis MetalunaAchrysalis Metaluna claps!

[12:18] Mimi Muircastle: truth

[12:18] QueenOfNorway Alex: :)

[12:18] Karelia Kondor: ?

[12:18] Kali Pizzaro: even with all this technology we need to look at our youth

[12:18] Olivia Hotshot: Right On!

[12:19] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- we need to look at the K0 graph

[12:19] jokay Wollongong: http://kzero.com

[12:19] Kali Pizzaro: to see who is in VWs

[12:19] Profdan Netizen: Fastest growing pop. groups in VW, 10-14 ages.

[12:19] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- these ages are in VWs so they will expect

[12:19] Atalante Bookmite: good idea: edu grid instead of teen grid - and way better than nothing but club penguin;)

[12:19] jokay Wollongong: its going to be opensim

[12:19] Wainbrave Bernal: Hi Bonnie!

[12:19] jokay Wollongong: i think the writing is already on the wall

[12:19] Kali Pizzaro: Bonnie Mithcell-

[12:20] Kali Pizzaro: couple of things

[12:20] Kali Pizzaro: we were talking about property

[12:20] Profdan Netizen: Or incorporated into main grid?

[12:20] Kali Pizzaro: wehre will all the stuff go if the teen grid goes

[12:20] Oronoque Yarrowroot: maybe the TG can go co-op

[12:20] Kali Pizzaro: dont think they will just pull it

[12:20] Karelia Kondor: what about current 'private' grids .. e.g. Skoolaborate?

[12:20] Kali Pizzaro: AJ- can they not just join grids

[12:21] Karelia Kondor: will that cease to be supported?

[12:21] jokay Wollongong: If they blow away all TSL content there's gotta be a case for financial compensation

[12:21] Profdan Netizen: Allowing 16-17 yo is good news for colleges, especially community colleges.

[12:21] jokay Wollongong: Agree Profdan... solves huge probs for vocational edu

[12:22] Olivia Hotshot: Philip may be addressing us in a moment - he is in the queue to speak.

[12:22] Profdan Netizen: cool

[12:22] jokay Wollongong: lets hope its not all platitudes ;)

[12:22] Olivia Hotshot: i have a new huge respect for him

[12:23] jokay Wollongong: lolz i really wish i did olivia.. i really want to ;)

[12:23] Robin Mochi: higher ed

[12:23] Olivia Hotshot: who is k-12 people?

[12:23] Achrysalis Metaluna: Higher Ed

[12:23] Profdan Netizen: higher ed

[12:23] Katya Anatine: Higher ed

[12:23] Karelia Kondor: I'm 11-18

[12:23] Oronoque Yarrowroot: higher ed

[12:23] Pawlus Twine: higher ed

[12:23] Atalante Bookmite: higher ed

[12:23] jokay Wollongong: k-20

[12:23] Blueskies Poliatevska: Librarian

[12:23] hobbs Constantine: higher ed but supports ALL learning

[12:23] Lori Galli: k-12

[12:23] Karelia Kondor: (what's K?)

[12:23] Wainbrave Bernal: k-20

[12:23] Mimi Muircastle: middle school principal!

[12:23] jokay Wollongong: kinder or prep ;)

[12:23] Xon Emoto: Higher Ed and corporate education

[12:23] Karelia Kondor: (sorry - ignorant UK teacher here!!!()

[12:24] jokay Wollongong: i support educators across all sectors

[12:24] Profdan Netizen: kindergarten.

[12:24] Wainbrave Bernal: k = kindergarten

[12:24] Olivia Hotshot: Philip is speaking

[12:24] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey there Philip

[12:24] Mimi Muircastle: welcome Philip!!!

[12:24] Profdan Netizen: Agreed, families should be able to explore a VW together.

[12:25] Oronoque Yarrowroot: he still has not addressed the under 16 set

[12:25] jokay Wollongong: we have a number of kids and their parents on jokaydiagrid... all welcome ;)

[12:25] Karelia Kondor: Yes Oronoque .. that's my concern ...

[12:25] Profdan Netizen: WOW innocuous--nothing like killing to clear the mind!

[12:25] hobbs Constantine: can't build in WOW...for now....look out

[12:25] Karelia Kondor: !!!

[12:26] Wainbrave Bernal: you can't build prosthetic devices in WOW

[12:26] jokay Wollongong: grrr... audio dropouts.. i hope he's saying something good ;)

[12:26] Xon Emoto: He is.

[12:27] Xon Emoto: Try Ustream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/slcc3

[12:27] Wainbrave Bernal: sounds sensible

[12:27] jokay Wollongong: ustream dropped for me too

[12:27] Mimi Muircastle: we need a charter SL middle school :)

[12:28] jokay Wollongong: lolz... or an charter RG middle school (sorry.. cant resist ;P)

[12:28] Mimi Muircastle: np Jokay:)

[12:28] Lolly Dovgal: Mimi, that's a fascinating idea.

[12:28] Mimi Muircastle: I believe in Middle School kids, Lolly:)

[12:28] Lolly Dovgal: Me, too.

[12:28] Oronoque Yarrowroot: wonderful announcement two weeks before the new academic year in North America!

[12:29] anna Begonia: lol

[12:29] Mimi Muircastle: we should dream about this a little - an open school for all who want to be in sl

[12:29] jokay Wollongong: We are planning a virtual classroom project in jokaydiaGRID to explore this idea..

[12:29] Mimi Muircastle: keep me posted, Jokay

[12:29] jokay Wollongong: and will also likely have a KidzGRID opening for the new school year 2011 in australia

[12:30] Lolly Dovgal: Wow

[12:30] Olivia Hotshot: looks like we will be running over

[12:30] Olivia Hotshot: =)

[12:30] Profdan Netizen: Gone on ustreatm

[12:30] Olivia Hotshot: \o/ phillip

[12:30] Profdan Netizen: back

[12:30] Profdan Netizen: commercial break

[12:31] Olivia Hotshot: we were given an extension

[12:31] Olivia Hotshot: keep your seats folks

[12:31] Mimi Muircastle: we deserve it! esp. you and AJ - and Kali here :)

[12:32] Dragon Niu: ty.

[12:32] Karelia Kondor: (I am failing to leave a message on the log ... could someone ask the question about what the position is about Skoolaborate? I need to know if it is worth doing all the work I have planned to do there tomorrow!!!

[12:33] Wainbrave Bernal: vetting high quality educational content :)

[12:33] Mimi Muircastle: yes, Jon

[12:33] Oronoque Yarrowroot: constant changes and big earth shaking announcements run counter to the needs of an educational community

[12:34] Oronoque Yarrowroot: educators actually plan in advance

[12:34] jokay Wollongong: Absolutely agree Oronoque

[12:34] jokay Wollongong: that's the biggest prob i have in recommending Sl

[12:34] Profdan Netizen: web based browser would solve that problem.

[12:34] Dragon Niu: You can choose to use a web based browser in your settings

[12:34] Profdan Netizen: That is, browser based viewer.

[12:35] Dragon Niu: oh, that

[12:35] Dragon Niu: nvm

[12:35] Wainbrave Bernal: Accessibility issues need to be addressed in the United States at least (FERPA stuff)

[12:35] Katie Farina: ooops sorry!

[12:36] Robin Mochi: web based browser would also allow SL to work on mobile devices, which I think will become increasingly more important

[12:36] jokay Wollongong: brb

[12:36] Dragon Niu: that would be helpful

[12:36] Dragon Niu: or a streamlined mobile viewer

[12:36] Profdan Netizen: Field trips important.

[12:37] Profdan Netizen: You mean like--the WWW?

[12:37] jokay Wollongong: the iphone/ipad apps are getting better for mobile..

[12:37] Dragon Niu: lol

[12:37] jokay Wollongong: i use pocket metaverse for basic communication/sim management

[12:38] Dragon Niu: what about the PG, mature, and Adult filters?

[12:38] Oronoque Yarrowroot: I always blindfold my kids before I let them leave the house

[12:38] Profdan Netizen: lol, Oro!

[12:38] Dragon Niu: should just rez a hollow sphere on them

[12:38] Mimi Muircastle: lol Oro -

[12:39] Robin Mochi: lol

[12:39] Lori Galli: LOL

[12:39] Mimi Muircastle: or rez them inside a safe little box:)

[12:39] Dragon Niu: they can wander around, just cannot see anything

[12:39] Mimi Muircastle: hear hear, Philip!

[12:39] Profdan Netizen: Back up of content.

[12:39] Dragon Niu: We start to dip in the ethical dilemma of RL legalities being involved in SL

[12:40] Lori Galli: ?

[12:40] Lori Galli: ?

[12:40] Profdan Netizen: Actually, most of us are still here, AJ.

[12:41] Robin Mochi: :)

[12:41] Mimi Muircastle: we want to stay !!!!

[12:41] Wainbrave Bernal: I think we should institute Claudia's Education Hub notion

[12:42] Olivia Hotshot: anyone want to ask a question? please quick

[12:42] Olivia Hotshot: he will take one more

[12:43] Olivia Hotshot: anyone?

[12:44] Profdan Netizen: We need to be able to back up content, not a question, just an observation of what eds. have been saying.

[12:44] Karelia Kondor: excellent point .. really need to keep hold of 'the constituency'

[12:45] jokay Wollongong: hehe... score 1 for opensim.. oar files are too simple and must be equally as easy on an SL sim .. check out RG's tools which allow single sim owners to back up self serve

[12:46] Dragon Niu: oh the horror, millions of lines of code!

[12:46] Dragon Niu: But that's what UML diagrams are for

[12:49] Robin Mochi: yes!

[12:49] Profdan Netizen: I have crossed over to the dark side--I just bought an iPad.

[12:49] Dragon Niu: Nuuu!

[12:49] Emma08 Magic: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*

[12:49] Emma08 Magic: for ipads ...

[12:49] Al Supercharge: somebody pass a hat round for them to buy a second mic

[12:49] Dragon Niu: NOOOOoooOOOOoooooo...

[12:49] Profdan Netizen: lol

[12:49] Achrysalis Metaluna: LOL @ AI

[12:50] Mimi Muircastle: yes, share the mic

[12:50] Olivia Hotshot: Please be kind - we are doing the best we can to let you have the best experience possible and not miss out

[12:50] Robin Mochi: getting SL to work on mobile and iPads would increase growth, for sure

[12:50] Olivia Hotshot: at least we have one mic =)

[12:50] Profdan Netizen: Happened with LMS's in 1998.

[12:50] jokay Wollongong: doing a great job Olivia! ;)

[12:50] Al Supercharge: I suppose that room is so huge it wd take forever ......;)

[12:50] jokay Wollongong: will the recording of the ustream be available so i can try to catch the bits my silly slow australian internet is making me miss? ;)

[12:51] Olivia Hotshot: 3 minutes til done

[12:51] Dragon Niu: And computers that can run multiple viewers

[12:52] Dragon Niu: Just a quick FYI...SL runs great on Win7 64b

[12:52] Al Supercharge: ye and what I miss ? they closing the teen grid ?

[12:52] Dragon Niu: yes

[12:52] Lori Galli: is that Spiff?

[12:52] Dragon Niu: bye bye teen grid

[12:52] Dragon Niu: but 16 and 17 year olds can be on regular grid

[12:52] Robin Mochi: groups major problem for me, agree completely with AJ

[12:53] Dragon Niu: The concern is child protection, and the limitation to the even younger generation.

[12:53] Profdan NetizenProfdan Netizen claps

[12:53] Dragon Niu: \ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo/

[12:53] Robin Mochi: thanks!

[12:53] Karelia Kondor: thanks

[12:53] Achrysalis MetalunaAchrysalis Metaluna claps

[12:53] Mimi Muircastle: thank you all!!!! great job!

[12:53] Lori Galli: ~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?~~? APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?~~?

[12:53] Xon Emoto: Thx Phil

[12:53] Robin Mochi: bye all!

[12:53] Atalante Bookmite: clapping

[12:53] Olivia Hotshot: I hope you all enjoyed yourself! Thanks for coming

[12:53] Atalante Bookmite: thank you very much

[12:53] Profdan Netizen: Very much, thanks, Olivia.

[12:53] Lori Galli: thanks...!

[12:53] Mimi Muircastle: awesome Olivia! and AJ

[12:53] Dragon Niu: yes,

[12:53] jokay Wollongong: Applause for the VWER team! you guys rock! ;)

[12:54] Al Supercharge: Ah Ha - she had the 2nd mic in het tunic

[12:54] Dragon Niu: lol

[12:54] Dragon Niu: hindsight

[12:54] Xon Emoto: Great job olivia and aj, thank you :)

[12:54] Karelia Kondor: ?

[12:54] Dragon Niu: WOW! in school?

[12:54] Dragon Niu: NOOOOoooOOOOoooooo...

[12:54] Al Supercharge: that guy uses a bowl for a hairdresser

[12:54] jokay Wollongong: hehe WoWinSchool.. check their wiki Dragon ;)

[12:54] Dragon Niu: omg...seems a little disturbing.,..that thought

[12:54] Oronoque Yarrowroot: posted on SLED---On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Terrence Cummings

<terrence@lindenlab.com> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Philip just finished his keynote address at SLCC 2010, and during his talk

> he discussed our future plans for Teen Second Life. Some time over the

> coming months, we will be closing Teen Second Life as a standalone product,

> while at the same time lowering the minimum age for the Main Grid to 16+

> while we work on creating adequate solutions to serve the younger

> demographic as well.

>

> There is a tremendous amount of great work currently on the Teen Grid.

> Incorporating this energy and innovation into the Main Grid in a safe,

> secure way is very important to us, and we want to ensure that it is done

> well.

>

> There will be plenty of questions that come up regarding our decision, and I

> want to establish a clear communication channel, and to ensure that the

> educational community has someone to speak with. I will try to answer the

> questions that I can in a timel

[12:55] Oronoque Yarrowroot: > questions that I can in a timely fashion, and will have much ongoing

> dialogue with the community around this topic. I will also be setting up

> time inworld to discuss this with Teen Grid users, and will be in touch with

> details around that.

>

> I am Terrence Linden inworld, and my email address is

> terrence@lindenlab.com. Please do not hesitate to reach out! I'm hear to

> listen and to help! I look forward to speaking with you and, for some of

> you, meeting you for the first time!

>

> Best,

> Terrence

[12:55] Dragon Niu: I think the theme is too genre specific, and kids could lose interest or not have any at all.

[12:55] Dragon Niu: (WOW)

[12:55] jokay Wollongong: ooo dragon.. seriously go see Peggy's work..

[12:56] jokay Wollongong: there is some awesome stuffs happening education wise in wow at the middle school level..

[12:56] jokay Wollongong: and also at tertiary level

[12:56] Oronoque Yarrowroot: bye folks

[12:56] jokay Wollongong: check out the center4edupunx for accounting in wow ;)

[12:56] Dragon Niu: It would be interesting to see, but more data is needed to actually prove that it works.

[12:56] Al Supercharge: so that leads automatically to a "black market" teen presence on the adult grid

[12:56] QueenOfNorway Alex: Nice session... I hope to get in touch with a key person in education in SL... would love to do a topic on that for my talk show....

[12:56] Mimi Muircastle: this has been great - glad we all got to be part of this

[12:57] jokay Wollongong: Google WoWinSchools.. they have a wiki.. the research is happening ;)

[12:57] Dragon Niu: It would have to be tested in different geographic and demographic locations.

[12:57] Al Supercharge: did they discuss that ?

[12:57] Emma08 Magic: we already get a lot of teens were i work

[12:57] jokay Wollongong: *woots* and *highfives* all round ;)

[12:57] Dragon Niu: I just think WOW. is so limited.

[12:57] Mimi Muircastle: bye all take care

[12:57] jokay Wollongong: disagree Dragon... think it has awesome scope..

[12:57] Profdan Netizen: Bye, Mimi.

[12:57] Dragon Niu: SL is much more interactive and "free" with respect to modifying the world.

[12:57] Karelia Kondor: is there something else on now please?

[12:57] jokay Wollongong: even if only from the perspective of learning gaming design strategies as educators

[12:57] Dragon Niu: But I donÕt "have" to be an elf here.

[12:58] Dragon Niu: or live in a castle

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: True.. but i think the two enviros can both be used effectively..

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: different aims and diff outcomes

[12:58] Dragon Niu: POssibly

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: check out peggys work.. she's the expert not i ;)

[12:58] Al Supercharge: and have the only goal of collecting stuff and killing

[12:58] Dragon Niu: But you can't script in WOW, so I don't think it will ever interest me.

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: Ooo not true... Wow is about collaboration, organisation, team work

[12:58] Dragon Niu: True, and it runs smoother

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: the things you learn working in guilds are epic

[12:58] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: late as usual

[12:58] Al Supercharge: to kill

[12:58] jokay Wollongong: Hey Iggy! ;)

[12:59] Profdan Netizen: Hey, Iggy.

[12:59] Al Supercharge: something

[12:59] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hiya jokay--others who are still rezzing

[12:59] Dragon Niu: But a group project in SL would be equally as beneficial, if not more.

[12:59] jokay Wollongong: I'd also recommend checking out Jane McGonigal's work Dragon..

[12:59] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so what's the big news???

[12:59] Dragon Niu: A group of designers, builders, and programmers.

[12:59] jokay Wollongong: she did an ace Ted Talk on the subject of gaming and how it can change the world

[12:59] jokay Wollongong: she is my hero ;)

[12:59] Dragon Niu: Working on the same product, is more team building than killing boars.

[12:59] Kali Pizzaro: hello again

[12:59] Profdan Netizen: Teen Grid, bye, bye, Philip's interested in the ed. community.

[12:59] Kali Pizzaro: crashed

[12:59] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well woot for that

[13:00] Kali Pizzaro: what happened at the end haha

[13:00] Profdan Netizen: Agreed.

[13:00] jokay Wollongong: dunno about that Dragon.. i think team building can happen just as effectively in both enviros ;)

[13:00] Al Supercharge: saw that -- but the viral hero is the guy that broke the WOW group ranks and stormed in against all plans

[13:00] Dragon Niu: But should not a more professional atmosphere be presented?

[13:00] Dragon Niu: WOW! is just barbaric.

[13:00] jokay Wollongong: who says its not professional?

[13:00] jokay Wollongong: i am in a guild that is seriously pro.. we have websites, charters, schedules

[13:00] jokay Wollongong: and some of it is managed by kids

[13:01] Dragon Niu: and you all have one goal, to kill and destroy.

[13:01] jokay Wollongong: nooo.. our goal is to work together in the guild

[13:01] jokay Wollongong: to complete quests

[13:01] Dragon Niu: To do what though?

[13:01] Profdan Netizen: Doling what, Jokay?

[13:01] Dragon Niu: Are you developing a product?

[13:01] jokay Wollongong: we are developing a community

[13:01] jokay Wollongong: and we could develop a machinima

[13:01] Al Supercharge: a simulation ?

[13:01] jokay Wollongong: or a comic

[13:01] Al Supercharge: nope ....

[13:01] Profdan Netizen: Sounds intriguing,.

[13:01] Dragon Niu: Well, maybe on a more elementary level, WOW! would be easier to concieve.

[13:02] jokay Wollongong: I think the point is ALL of these enviros offer great opps for learning.. just in different ways

[13:02] Ignatius Onomatopoeia: btw, if anyone got the transcript of this meeting, I'll do it up for the site. I've been running errands IRL and just got back

[13:02] jokay Wollongong: think the ustream recording will be up soon iggy ;)

[13:02] Dragon Niu: But by high school, they should be learning to work in teams toward product development, with deadlines and expectations from other members.