Transcript of the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable Aug .19 , 2010
Topic:"Reflections on SLCC"
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
Hattie Haystack: hey Hobbs!
alan Passerine: hiya
AJ Brooks: The VWER meetings have moved to a new day of the week, from Tuesdays to Thursdays. This is our first Thursday meeting and we'll meet each Thursday from now on.
AJ Brooks: Before I get started I'd like to invite those sitting up in the amphitheater seating, please come down and join us around the roundtable.
AJ Brooks: There is always an empty seat on the side closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is "Reflections on SLCC"
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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AJ Brooks: opps
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AJ Brooks: fat fingerd that one
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
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Daniel Voyager: hey everyone
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AJ Brooks: For those not familiar with these type of text chat meetings, as a hint, it is better to have your "local chat" open, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: As a reminder, we do ask that everyone sitting in the theater seating join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on side closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type into local chat now
AJ Brooks: Let us know who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, California State University, Chico, techie, educator, working on CLIVE as well as some collaborative Cal State & Univ of Cal projects
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart. Research Information Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago.
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI. I teach writing, both fy composition and creative writing.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught four courses with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher. This simulation debuted in the 2009-2010 academic year.
Grinn Pidgeon: Dr. Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology/English teacher
Delenn Daines: Judy Kelly, Biology, Henry Ford Community College, Dearborn, MI
Hattie Haystack: Gail Hanson Brenner, Clinical Nursing Instructor, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn mcElhinney Nurse lecturer Glasgow Caledonian university
Jimmie Veeper: James Fullerton, Southern Lehigh SD
Marshall Curtiz: Daniel Schackman, SUNY New Paltz and Ph.D. Candidate, Syracuse U.
Betz Darwinian: Betsy Price, University of Texas Brownsville, Faculty Development Director
Marty Snowpaw: Marty Snowpaw Startled Cat Studio
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, City University of New York
alan Passerine: Alan Fomorin visiting artist at UTB
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood. Applying IT solutions to classroom and online teaching in EFL.
Elphaba Helendale: Rawlslyn Francis, English Prof., Florida State College at Jacksonville
Trudy Takacs: Trudy Takacs, Project Coordinator, Instructor for CT-NY Talent for Growth
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wb to VWER, Marty!
AJ Brooks: who has not had a chance?
Meredith Winslet: Sarah Wagner, History Instructor, Tulsa CC
Firery Broome: University of Delaware-a bit of everything
hobbs Constantine: is Heather Dodds, Natural Science Course Mentor at Western Governors University, PhD student in Instructional Design for Online Learning at Capella and new 3RG sim owner WOOT
Eurominuteman Jameson: James OReilly, The Mind Dock, Corporate Trainer
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
AJ Brooks: going once
Graham Mills: Peter Miller, Univ of Liverpool -- fashionably late
AJ Brooks: going twice
AJ Brooks: Sold to the Artifical Mind, who is also named Hell!
Kali Pizzaro: 31 on the sim for the transcript
AJ Brooks: how is everyone today?
Meredith Winslet: Lovely!
Kali Pizzaro: grand
Milena McWinnie: Great
Sarvana Haalan: Sally Cherry, Lab Consultant/Instructor, RegionI II STD HIV Prevention Training Center and Social Media Instructor
Marshall Curtiz: Good, thank you.
Grinn Pidgeon: splendid
hobbs Constantine: peachy keen
AJ Brooks: lol
Trudy Takacs: good, enjoying the last days of summer.. . .
AJ Brooks: let me tell you - I am STILL fired up from SLCC last weekend
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: dandy
AJ Brooks: it was excellent - what a great experience
Alan Sandalwood: Relieved
Olivia Hotshot: Those in the audience - please join us down here at the table
Milena McWinnie: and writing my Ma thesis...in the meantime
Milena McWinnie: lol
AJ Brooks: Everyone did an amazing job - all the organizers and volunteers
AJ Brooks: but one person needs to be singled out
Profdan Netizen: Doing good, last few days before the return to the salt mines.
AJ Brooks: Fleep Tuque is awesome
Margaret Michalski: fired up? do we need an extinguisher ? : )
AJ Brooks: she was everyplace
Marshall Curtiz: Forgive me, but I have to leave at 3 SLT so I don't want to be rude; I'll stay in the bleachers.
Margaret Michalski: kidding aj
AJ Brooks: it was amazing - every time you turned around, there she was
AJ Brooks: :-)
Delenn Daines: Yes, she was full of energy
AJ Brooks: and the conference part was interesting and well organized
AJ Brooks: I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with a full year to plan
AJ Brooks: one day we'll talk all about why they only had 6 or 8 weeks to pull this together
AJ Brooks: but for today
AJ Brooks: I'd like to talk about some of the key issues that come out ath SLCC
Sarvana Haalan: where will it be held next year?
AJ Brooks: BUT
AJ Brooks: HOWEVER
AJ Brooks: ok - got your attention
AJ Brooks: I don't want to start off talking about the teen Grid
AJ Brooks: We WIL talk about it
AJ Brooks: WILL, even
Olivia Hotshot: still to be decided - location
Milena McWinnie: thats great
AJ Brooks: but I want to get to some other things first
Milena McWinnie: k
AJ Brooks: since if we start with it - we won't get to other tings. :-)
AJ Brooks: so - OTHER THAN Teen Grid, what is something someone walked away with?
AJ Brooks: don't be shy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Philip has turned the LOVE MACHINE onto education again!
Olivia Hotshot: a renewed sense of commitment by LL to education
AJ Brooks: lol - ok
Profdan Netizen: lol
Marcia Kjeller: educators has the loudest voice, ie most sessions at SLCC
Delenn Daines: the creative ways Anthony fontana uses to teach art on sl
Zotarah Shepherd: Pathfinder's speech was great.
Marcia Kjeller: sorry, had
Olivia Hotshot waves to Esme
AJ Brooks: educators - ROCK - no doubt
Delenn Daines: Hi Esme!
hobbs Constantine: Pathfinder WAS inspirational
AJ Brooks: we were the conference part of this
AJ Brooks: we had better attendance than even the social events
Esme Qunhua: I was inspired by the wealth of talent and the richness of community we have in SL
AJ Brooks: it was impressive
AJ Brooks: andyes, anthony fontana is amazing
Margaret Michalski: I was not there but I would like to hear more about these new Lindens who will be working with educators. If I understand it right.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LL must have noticed that without the educators, there would have been no SLCC 2010
AJ Brooks: disclaimer - a dear friend, like a little brother
Olivia Hotshot: yes, our session was very popular attendance - wise
AJ Brooks: how many peopel did we have, Olivia?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and even Prok behaved
AJ Brooks: 30+
Betz Darwinian: to keep the education market they are going to have to make a lot of adjustments.
Olivia Hotshot: in the session 30+
AJ Brooks: even prok behaved. :-)
Zotarah Shepherd: I have to listen to more of the recordings to know what I missed
Olivia Hotshot: and here inworld more once Phillip came
Marcia Kjeller: Rosedale spent and enormous amount of time listening to us. that was impressive. becuz it was his choice as to where to go and who to listen to during session times
Kali Pizzaro: about 22 in world
AJ Brooks: I think Phillip has made it clear - he does not cater to any one single market
AJ Brooks: and, in fact, Education is a small slice of their pie - but they DO consider it a very important one
Betz Darwinian: but these markets do not match in their needs.
Eurominuteman Jameson: i think LL made it clear that sustainability reigns
AJ Brooks: I believe Philip is committed to EDU
Marcia Kjeller: echo that
Olivia Hotshot: i do too AJ
Trudy Takacs: ditto
AJ Brooks: It is one thing to listen to him - I was right dead smack in front of him
Marcia Kjeller: but, time will tell. I am optimistic
Jimmie Veeper: It paid off for Apple years ago.
Sarvana Haalan: same here... I am listening to all sessions... sent the weekend in the ER... bummer
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and educators tend to adopt a platform for a long time. That surely counts for something to a company
Grinn Pidgeon: from where are people listening to sessions?
AJ Brooks: There is no doubt in my mind that Philip believes the edu sector has great value
Delenn Daines: and hopefully our students will use sl when they go on to teach
Oronoque Westland: I got the impression Philip was choosing his words more carefully as the conference progressed
AJ Brooks: but we all must remember, Second Life IS a business
Olivia Hotshot: not to mention the captured audience and potential brand loyalty - he knows LL will have competition
Marcia Kjeller: anyone know....does Rosedale have any children? is he "invested" in the edu world in a personal way?
Olivia Hotshot: yes he does Marcia
hobbs Constantine: I was just going to say what AJ said
Margaret Michalski: @Aj, do you feel that Philip is like that cause he really cares or just trying to get educators on his side? I was not there remember: )
AJ Brooks: His children are just getting into school now, I think
Eurominuteman Jameson: LL is under strong competitive pressure nowadays
Olivia Hotshot: he told me himself that having children has changed how he looks at education
AJ Brooks: @Margaret - he really cares
Zotarah Shepherd: Good Olivia
Profdan Netizen: That's interesting, Olivia.
AJ Brooks: so - how about display names?
Kali Pizzaro: However what if he steps down again
AJ Brooks: some info
hobbs Constantine: @Grinn, heard your question, don't know answer, SLCC website? I know it's a Ustream thing
AJ Brooks: Claudia Linden - not linden anymore
Marcia Kjeller: excellent. let's hope that helps him keep edu in the forefront for him
Olivia Hotshot: I had 15 minutes one on one with him and asked him point blank to support education and why
Profdan Netizen: He seemed concerned about parents not being able to go inworld with their kids.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it will be so odd to see "Joe Essid" over my head
AJ Brooks: is now a resident here on CHSSSouth
AJ Brooks: and she has her real world name as her avatar name
Delenn Daines: I think the display names will be good for working with students, make it easier to link them to rl
AJ Brooks: she is one of the first peopel to make use of display names
AJ Brooks: so - display names are here - they are coming
Sarvana Haalan: I started my daughter on the computer at the age of two so he may be doing the same thing
Zotarah Shepherd: Nice to know that Terrence Linden will be listening to us. Was he at SLCC?
Oronoque Westland: what is the difference between display names and titlers? sorry to be dense
AJ Brooks: what do you all think of that?
Kali Pizzaro: i dont wwant real names for some of my volunteers
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: are display names limited to the POS Viewer 2?
Kali Pizzaro: can you keep the fake name?
AJ Brooks: its not a fake name
Olivia Hotshot: You will not have to rely on groups for the title above your avatar name
Trudy Takacs: well, there's a choice
Kali Pizzaro: well avatar
Kali Pizzaro: name
Kali Pizzaro: ah
AJ Brooks: you have an account name, and a display name
AJ Brooks: like on google, for instance
Trudy Takacs: you can create avatars, use display names, make a name in group title
AJ Brooks: your account can be sorry dot afk at gmail dot com
AJ Brooks: but your "name" is AJ
Kali Pizzaro: what if i want my name to be kali
AJ Brooks: it will be part of the set up process
Trudy Takacs: I just don't see it as a big deal, really - it gives business/teacher the option but for the others, . .
AJ Brooks: it can be
Sarvana Haalan: excuse, this is not a fake name for me... It is my ava "personality" name. lol, lol
AJ Brooks: just make your display name kali pizzaro
Kali Pizzaro: right ok
AJ Brooks: to match your account name
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so we can change the name on the fly?
Kali Pizzaro: grand
AJ Brooks: is this a good thing for edu?
Zotarah Shepherd: I think I will change my real name to my SL name. hehe
Delenn Daines: I read we can change it once a week
Trudy Takacs: just 2 weeks ago, I wanted to create an avatar closer to my RL name. . . what a pain with the last name limitation
AJ Brooks: yes - one time per week, I believe
Kali Pizzaro: so we can put whatever we want above our head
Sarvana Haalan: my students would find me faster
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It would be, if our Roderick Reanimator can be "Roderick Usher" during the simulation
Kali Pizzaro: ah ok
AJ Brooks: it can be
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ like with everything there is a good and bad side to a coin.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: found out too that we can share accounts w/o violating the TOS
AJ Brooks: ok - so what are both, Margaret?
Trudy Takacs: Of all the things to worry about, this seems the smallest concern
hobbs Constantine: answer = a coin
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It does help immersion in simulations
Olivia Hotshot: it's a non-issue for me - people have a choice
Profdan Netizen: Makes it easier with a classroom situation.
Oronoque Westland: are there privacy issues that we need to consider where the students are concerned? do SL names offer any safety?
Trudy Takacs: It seems to bother the people here longer, I think, as if the old SL is slipping away
AJ Brooks: does it have any positive or negative impact - I could become Philip Linden
Betz Darwinian: i agree. We will have almost 300 students on our islands this semester. i'm worried about lagging.
Esme Qunhua: Here's something I found. At the conference I was "Esme" I behaved more like Esme than like Jane - I was very comfortable in groups of strangers, I was very friendly. That is not usually easy for me in RL
Daniel Voyager: What does everyone think of TSL being shut down by the end of the year?
AJ Brooks: or Barack Obama
Margaret Michalski: Good for educators to have a right to Choose. The bad is dtermining when to use which name : )
AJ Brooks: Or EatCrapAndDie
Olivia Hotshot: Daniel, we are saving that for the second half of the meeting
Milena McWinnie: I've been teaching there in tSL
Milena McWinnie: doing my MA
Milena McWinnie: ;/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ--you do that and use those God Powers. Of course they can block certain display names at their end
Sarvana Haalan: with Google around... there is no privacy. lol,lol
Daniel Voyager: ok, :)
AJ Brooks: lets hold off on teen grid for now, please
Milena McWinnie: and havent finished yet
AJ Brooks: ok - so the display name was not such a big deal
AJ Brooks: what about the open source viewer?
Olivia Hotshot: Hey Maggie good to see you again
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Maggie!
Esme Qunhua: What do you mean AJ
AJ Brooks: open seats closest to the ramp
Kali Pizzaro: sorry can i just check that means someone else could impersonate me
Delenn Daines: I read that you will be able to see in their profile that you will be able to tell if they are a real linden lab employee
Trudy Takacs: time will tell what that means, exactly ,don't you think?
Olivia Hotshot: I think the viewer going Open Source is awesome
hobbs Constantine: I took open source as a good thing
Maggie Marat: glad I can be here - can only stay a short while as I have dinner plans wiothg the people hosting me here
Trudy Takacs: will it help with interoperability or not (spelling? gasp)
Eurominuteman Jameson: it fits to the Education Grid protocol which is also open source and cross-platform http://immersive-worlds-tool-ranking.grouply.com/message/231
Olivia Hotshot: It will get more minds working on solving issues
AJ Brooks: open source - yes, I believe, in the long run, it will
Profdan Netizen: I thought the viewer already was open source, since there are third party viewers?
Trudy Takacs: yes but will it work Eurominuteman?
Olivia Hotshot: Prof - the LL viewer is now open source
Trudy Takacs: how long will it take to make it work?
Eurominuteman Jameson: it works already
Olivia Hotshot: source*
Oronoque Westland: naked person on my head
Olivia Hotshot: eeeesh
Marty Snowpaw: Hope we can have teen grid discussion while Maggie is here
AJ Brooks: they will only roll out things from the OS viewer once they are throughly tested
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Oro, Viewer 2 strikes again. . .
AJ Brooks: will anyone participate in the open source effort?
Zotarah Shepherd: There is an open seat next to AJ
Eurominuteman Jameson: Open source protocols are the technological drivers
Esme Qunhua: Maggie you naughty girl
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Anna
Graham Mills: 2.1.1 tends to have that effect
Maggie Marat: I have some serious lag here in this hotel *wink
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we're all adults here. I'll hand out hobo barrels if it keeps happening
AJ Brooks: so - open source viewer is not such a big deal for educators, at least those here, either?
Betz Darwinian: when they change the viewer we have to send a tech to 100 computers to download it.
hobbs Constantine: nope
Graham Mills: If we could influence development, it might be
AJ Brooks: yes - great point Betz
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: could be important to me--I'm doing a regular series of articles on OS Grids
AJ Brooks: them doing regular updates is a HUGE problem for education
Olivia Hotshot: Betz, Phillip heard us loud and clear on that issue about the weekly viewer updates
Esme Qunhua: I think the important thing talked about what making updates automatic.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: would be nice to see more robust 3rd party viewers
Eurominuteman Jameson: the Kirsten Viewer already accommodates Viewer 2 technology as open source viewer
AJ Brooks: he heard us, but he was clear that he is not going to let it stop progress
You decline Basic scripting from A group member named Nihlaeth Melody.
AJ Brooks: I think the open source will improve the 3rd PVs
Margaret Michalski: Upgrades will always be an issue.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: mandatory releases have been slower lately
AJ Brooks: Margaret - they are talking about pushing them out every few weeks, or every two weeks even
Graham Mills: Not sure how autoupdates will work with network installs
Kali Pizzaro: Sorry folks can I just welcome Anna her first meeting she is in Idonesia
Eurominuteman Jameson: Open source is a way to challenge 3D browser based viewers
AJ Brooks: yes - a huge problem, Graham
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Anna!
AJ Brooks: Hi Anna
Zotarah Shepherd: Welcome Anna
hobbs Constantine: Welcome Anna!
Esme Qunhua: But on networks you can set autoupdates for say firefox.
Betz Darwinian: upgrades on computers without notice won't give us any stabibility for all the classes we have on line. we can't download to 100s of computers without notice.
Graham Mills: Presumably that's the beta version they're updating
Milena McWinnie: Hi Anna
Oronoque Westland: AJ raised the upgrade on campuses issue at SLCC...response was not very promising I thought
Esme Qunhua: they happen auto on the networks I set up.
AJ Brooks: I agree Oronoque
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ, It depends if they make it better or worse. . I believe that is a bit to often for education.
Esme Qunhua: Oro I thought it was promising.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we won't install the SL client in labs b/c we update the lab images once per year
AJ Brooks: whether they make it better or worse, margaret - it is a problem if they are forced during the semester
Betz Darwinian: we have to go through layers of techs because we have so many labs.
Graham Mills: Yes, forced upgrades are the issue
AJ Brooks: How many people would say this is a huge problem for them at their institution?
AJ Brooks: YES
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: moderate problem
Graham Mills: Potentially
Margaret Michalski: yes
Alan Sandalwood: Yes
Jimmie Veeper: no
Oronoque Westland: I am the only SL using faculty member on my campus so they only load SL in the labs that I use
Milena McWinnie: yes
Meredith Winslet: An issue - not huge
hobbs Constantine: no
Esme Qunhua: It is a problem if you have to do them Manually BUT Philip is talking about an AUTO Update
Olivia Hotshot: photos from conference - http://www.flickr.com/groups/vwer/pool/with/4894620777/
Eurominuteman Jameson: its the same gravity of problem if you use OpenOffice as open source
Graham Mills: Anyone know if you can still run viewers from a USB under Win 7? If so, less of a problem
AJ Brooks: auto update means it will be pushed down automatically - not that the upgrade will happen automatically, if I understood correctly
Zotarah Shepherd: If there is a prior notice for required upgrades - like a week or 3 days it would give IT depts a chance to upgrade before classes, wouldn't it?
Olivia Hotshot: pushed down or pushed out?
Kali Pizzaro: yes graham i think we do that
AJ Brooks: so the push goes to my lab computer - but because the lab computer is locked down, the push never gets accepted
Esme Qunhua: No it is like on WOW auto happens in the background \
AJ Brooks: same thing, Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: ok
Oronoque Westland: I think AJ is right, we have some things that auto update, then disappear when the machine shuts down
Profdan Netizen: Don't know if that would help, Esme, many labs have a reboot each night that goes back to the original install.
Esme Qunhua: I don't think that is correct
AJ Brooks: yes - that is true for us, we are a novell campus
Kali Pizzaro: i think we update from one computer
Margaret Michalski: Well, my institution tends to have old computers. It will be a problem
Kali Pizzaro: which updates all
AJ Brooks: restore image each time the computer gets turned on
Zotarah Shepherd: It would be nice it upgrades could run in the background
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but if the push goes to our machine the does the image, as it does for Firefox, it would be fine
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the problem was that we had to do manual upgrades for SL and no one had time
AJ Brooks: well - there are a lot of IFs. I hope they keep in touch with us on that
Graham Mills: Lot of bandwidth for a class?
Profdan Netizen: How does that work, Iggy?
AJ Brooks: it would choke a class if it happened at the start of the class meeting
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm no techie, Dan. I know that the image is held on a machine that pushes it to the lab machines after each relog
AJ Brooks: thats right, Iggy - thats how it happens
AJ Brooks: one image - on a server
AJ Brooks: all lab machines call to that image each time they get turned on
hobbs Constantine: What else happened at SLCC?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no student files are saved on the hard drive, and you can install software for a class but it gets wiped at relog
AJ Brooks: any other thoughts on the push of updates?
AJ Brooks: ok - Teen Grid
Esme Qunhua: I think we don't have enough info to go on
AJ Brooks: Since Maggie is here
Milena McWinnie: ugh..
Graham Mills: Hmmm, how do we get to have a say?
Oronoque Westland: I agree, advance notice of update would be a big help
AJ Brooks: I'm going to ask her to share, if she doesn't mind
AJ Brooks: now that we are almost a week out
Margaret Michalski: I was personally shocked to find out the news.
Milena McWinnie: me too
Zotarah Shepherd: me too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh oh Maggie's gone AFK
AJ Brooks: what are you thoughts on the news about the teen grid
Delenn Daines: took my breath away
Daniel Voyager: *nods* as a former TGer.
Trudy Takacs: not me, he talked about it a year ago
AJ Brooks: I was not at all surprised
Milena McWinnie: I've been writing my Ma about teaching in TSL;/
AJ Brooks: in fact, I wonder what took them so long
Jimmie Veeper: Daniel, do you have more information than what appeared on your blog today?
Trudy Takacs: and Claudia had to tell everyone it wasn't going to happen
Milena McWinnie: I've been teaching there
Firery Broome: but it was hinted at at the 7th b-day talk he gave
AJ Brooks: it is such an infinitesimally small part of the pie
Olivia Hotshot: i was not surprised either - in fact i suggested it was headed that way too.
Graham Mills: I thought it was poor in terms of the timing and timescale
Eurominuteman Jameson: get used to open source and Opensin
Zotarah Shepherd: When he talked about it before I thought it was to merge the two grids not to close one.
Profdan Netizen: 16-17 yo in main grid makes my life easier.
AJ Brooks: yes - that is a good thing, Dan
Kali Pizzaro: yes me too ZO
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: OpenSim or OpenSin, Euro? :)
Daniel Voyager: All I know is that there will be more news about TG's future on a blog post by LL either this week or next week.
Milena McWinnie: What if I have 13 year old students??
Delenn Daines: yes, i agree with you prof dan
Trudy Takacs: I think he's right, close it now, start fresh is the only way
Eurominuteman Jameson: Opensim
Marty Snowpaw: its a small part of the pie???
Marty Snowpaw: why do you say that
Milena McWinnie: the main grid
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj, guess you are right. Some teachers did have trouble with the 17 and 18 year olds
Milena McWinnie: Should i take them to SL?
Esme Qunhua: I thought that one of the interesting things I learned about it - is how the code is intertwined. You can't just leave the TG there without taking it into account every time the mg is upgraded.
Trudy Takacs: I really think the open areas for the teens were bad, problematic and nothing there
AJ Brooks: how many accounts do they have on the teen grid compared to the entire grid
Trudy Takacs: for the schools, fine
Esme Qunhua: I was naive and thought, why not just leave it there.
Milena McWinnie: I've got two
AJ Brooks: a couple dozen thousand on the teen grid
Trudy Takacs: my wish: Skoolaborate type programs on the same grid -
AJ Brooks: several MILLION on the main grid?
Daniel Voyager: Around 1000 accounts I think.
Eurominuteman Jameson: open source "Education Grid" approach is in the pipeline... http://mediagrid.org/groups/technology/OFF.TWG/
Jitsu Mantel: @Trudy: I agree
Graham Mills: A few years ago it was abt 5000
Trudy Takacs: screened adults allowed to go back and forth with inventory
Trudy Takacs: same avatar
Zotarah Shepherd: I am worried about the 13 to 15 year olds, both private accounts and schools
Marty Snowpaw: it about what the grid was modeling and what its potential was
Trudy Takacs: just like they locked X rated, they can lock an area for the teens
AJ Brooks: no doubt that is important, Marty
Marty Snowpaw: not its size
AJ Brooks: but it was sucking down HUGE amounts of resources
Betz Darwinian: sorry i am behind but upgrades every two weeks. That means they are making us beta testers. How do i tell faculty they can't have a standard viewer? That will discourage many.
Trudy Takacs: Skoolaborate, for example, has a really nice registration process
Esme Qunhua: I think that now energy will be able to be put into education for teens rather than the social teen grid which just5 seemed like a parking lot hang out.
Profdan Netizen: Makes sense, Trudy.
Trudy Takacs: that could be used
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: That is hard, Zo. They'll have to rebuild in an OS grid, but what of that inventory??
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's going to be lost
Trudy Takacs: we looked into Teen SL before we went to Skoolaborate
Zotarah Shepherd: Well I think theyt need to be sure all the X stuff is only on Zindra now.
Trudy Takacs: I looked over a teen's shoulder as one teen cussed him out
Graham Mills: @Betz -- I'm guessing they will update the beta at that rate, not the main
Daniel Voyager: There's around 200 or so sims on the Teen Grid. Around 300-500 active users also.
Trudy Takacs: in the orientation area
Trudy Takacs: the exact problem they were protecting them from
Daniel Voyager: maybe more...
Graham Mills: When school is in, Daniel
Trudy Takacs: I watched him go from place to place, empty with nothing going on
Eurominuteman Jameson: open source solution offers more opportunities and productivity
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo--good luck with that. I see X stuff by the side of the roads regularly on my monthly road trips
Kali Pizzaro: bit annoying if you have spent the summer preparing stuff
Zotarah Shepherd: That is a lot of people to kick off the grid.
AJ Brooks: Philip talked at greater length at out VWER meeting about how the teen grid issue might play out
Trudy Takacs: yes but I feel they'll work that out
Milena McWinnie: I did have lessons there
Trudy Takacs: as PHil says, he'll protect the work and inventory
Zotarah Shepherd: What did he say AJ?
AJ Brooks: Z - that is not a lot of people, at all - in the grand scheme of things. They probably lose more new accounts each day than that
Jimmie Veeper: @Dan - Vaughan Vendetta, a TGer, thinks there are 1000 active in the TG.
Trudy Takacs: and I heard that many Euros can't use it because of the restrictions
AJ Brooks: he said he would do everything he can to make sure this plays out as best as it can
Trudy Takacs: it's a wasteland from my vantage point
Milena McWinnie: yep
Milena McWinnie: my stduents got there
Milena McWinnie: and???
AJ Brooks: sims can be migrated to the main grid
Milena McWinnie: their accounts have to be deleted
Milena McWinnie: because they are 13
AJ Brooks: inventory backups will happen, if I remember correctly
Jimmie Veeper: I read a few thoughts about what killed TSL.
Margaret Michalski: Maybe in the long run it will be good to have just the adult grid.
AJ Brooks: but he did not sugar coat it - 13-15 are out of luck
Trudy Takacs: maybe they can allow schools programs with systems like Skoolaborate
Trudy Takacs: to move over and keep it protected
Jimmie Veeper: Or I should say, I wrote a few thoughts from a teachers perspective.
Betz Darwinian: i think it is because they don't have enough to do on teen.
Trudy Takacs: we can keep avies out - can't they keep them in?
Eurominuteman Jameson: cross-platform technology is coming anyway
Marty Snowpaw: its hardly a wasteland
Margaret Michalski: So, where will the 13-15 year olds go?
Daniel Voyager: Yes, I would imagine its 1000 or so.
Marty Snowpaw: and sadly Peggy had to leave
Jimmie Veeper: Ready?
Sarvana Haalan: Question: I am working on a course for high school students on HIV/AIDS prevention. Will the teen grid be the place for my classes?
Olivia Hotshot: to open sim i think
Milena McWinnie: they will go to the main grid
Betz Darwinian: it would work to put the elementary and middle schools on the TG. then they would have a saver environment and more people.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what's the age minimum at Reaction Grid?
Zotarah Shepherd: Some of us fought so hard to get accounts for younger students and for middle school and high school teachers to use SL that this just seems to spit in our faces.
AJ Brooks: Teen grid will not exist after December, Sarvana
Jimmie Veeper: Edcators killed TSL.
Graham Mills: The RegAPI becomes significant
Trudy Takacs: I hope and think LL will figure a way for a 13-15 area on the main grid
Sarvana Haalan: will I have to use OSGrid or ReactionGrid?
Trudy Takacs: I just think they need to take the existing grid and rethink it
Betz Darwinian: How about educators take over the TG?
Zotarah Shepherd: After Dec 31 there will be no Tg at all
Trudy Takacs: that is what I heard Phil say - they needed to rethink it
Daniel Voyager: Points out education in TSL between 2006 and 2008 was really popular.
Daniel Voyager: I think still is.
Betz Darwinian: have regular activities that will prepare them for college.
Kali Pizzaro: hey Betz mmm?
Trudy Takacs: yes Daniel but what about for the general teen?
Oronoque Westland: once a school or teacher feels burnt (assuming they have the 13-15 crowd) they are not going to come back once LL offers a new solution
Trudy Takacs: for example, Smithsonian Latino
Sarvana Haalan: Well, that can be left out of my abstract.
Zotarah Shepherd: It would also be hard or impossible to move inventory from TG to RG or any other open grid
Milena McWinnie: U're right Oronoque
Trudy Takacs: so if they can work it that schools can still run programs under control on the main grid
AJ Brooks: so - if you had to choose between having teen grid and having a completely stable and perfectly running main grid, which would you pick?
Esme Qunhua: There was talk about educators taking over teen grid, but it is impossible because of the tie in with the code on the TG and MG. Linden would have to continue to invest tremendous resources to maintain it.
Daniel Voyager: A lot did not know about it easily.
Trudy Takacs: but if I were a parent, I would not want my teen wondering around the Teen SL as it is today
Eurominuteman Jameson: it only needs migration to Education Grid protocol, and that happens already
AJ Brooks: because the resources they were using to run and entirely program the teen grid will now be dedicated to main grid projects
Zotarah Shepherd: Some young teens own private islands and businesses
Trudy Takacs: Oh Esme
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Trudy, why not?
Margaret Michalski: @ Saravanna, You may want to talk to certain people in grids that have connections to managements. he 3rd Rock Grid is working with institutions individually. Mainly because of this announcement.
Eurominuteman Jameson: The Open File Formats Technology Working Group (OFF.TWG) is responsible for defining, evolving and maintaining open, platform-neutral file formats that enable learning objects and experiences to be seamlessly deployed across Immersive Education technology platforms
Daniel Voyager: Very few actually own their own regions.
Trudy Takacs: @Ignatius, because there is no adult supervision
Daniel Voyager: On TG when I was there.
Sarvana Haalan: ok
AJ Brooks: i don't believe the teens are allowed to own regions
Daniel Voyager: Transferred in December 2008.
Eurominuteman Jameson: this will also include mobile
Zotarah Shepherd: Good Daniel and I hope the ones who do are at least 16
Betz Darwinian: no teens cannot own land
Betz Darwinian: my grandkid tried.
Daniel Voyager: They are allowed and it works the same as over here.
AJ Brooks: so that means no teen owned regions
Graham Mills: Yes, I thought there was edu, Linden and teen sims
Jimmie Veeper: Teens are allowed to own land on the TG.
AJ Brooks: they pay for it?
Daniel Voyager: Yes.
Jimmie Veeper: yes
Oronoque Westland: having this happen by year end puts a monkey wrench in the lesson plans that teachers have to prepare well in advance
AJ Brooks: how?
Nicholas Hawthorne: as a former TGer myself, i owned land, and knew a friend who had a region
Jimmie Veeper: they pay for it.
Sarvana Haalan: oh, my
Jimmie Veeper: scraping funds together
AJ Brooks: with mummy and daddy's money?
Graham Mills: @Oro -- agreed
Daniel Voyager: How do you buy land on the MG? Works the same on the TG.
Trudy Takacs: @Oronoque, true, it's hardest for the schools now
Jimmie Veeper: many having businesses that can pay for the overhead
Jimmie Veeper: really
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Trudy Takacs: but for programs like the one that I'm working with - having two grids to juggle is very difficult
Jitsu Mantel: @Oronoque & Trudy: Agreed.
Trudy Takacs: having a class with the age split - we had one kid turn 18 in the middle of our program
Oronoque Westland: as a college instructor I can change my class on the fly, you cannot do that for the pre-college set
Jimmie Veeper: 17-18 was a problem, now solved.
Daniel Voyager: This has been in the works since 2007 to merge the grids. Nothing new till SLCC 2010.
Jimmie Veeper: a rightly so
Esme Qunhua: We need to look forward. Remember that we are all on the bleeding edge and THAT can be painful. One day soon our avs will be able to pass from one grid to another.
Trudy Takacs: I also think, and just thinking
Sarvana Haalan: my students are more familiar with SL.
Oronoque Westland: new for the 13-15 crowd who are turned out
Trudy Takacs: re: commercial product the 6-13 market is the biggest user of virtual worlds
Trudy Takacs: something like that
Nicholas Hawthorne: @dan, it has been in the works, yet they have always said "oh it will be soon" a few years pass and still nothing
Trudy Takacs: so it will pay off for LL to continue to address this market
Sarvana Haalan: Although my Resource Center is in another grid.
Trudy Takacs: even if the high end
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Trudy--Habbo Hotel is huge, yes
Daniel Voyager: very true, Nicholas.
AJ Brooks: habbo DRARFS Second Life
Trudy Takacs: they'll all turn 13 and grow into LL if they are smart enough to watch that
AJ Brooks: DWARFS even
Trudy Takacs: so if they cut that market off now
Profdan Netizen: Isn't Philip and/or Terrence meeting with TG users to work out how to make the transition fairly?
Trudy Takacs: they cut off their future
AJ Brooks: @Dan - yes
Trudy Takacs: I'm sure they are
AJ Brooks: and Terrance will be my guest here in a few weeks
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to be at that meeting if it happens
Daniel Voyager: Lets hope so.
Trudy Takacs: Skoolaborate stays in constant contact with LL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Trudy, maybe. But my college-age students don't want to use ANY virtual world
Jitsu Mantel: @Zotarah, so would I.
Sarvana Haalan: I think a lot of Metaplace teens migrated to TG
Graham Mills: Terrence said on Twitter that he was posting a blog
Esme Qunhua: As does Peggy that is staying in constant contact
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's another story--they enjoy it for class, but don't return ever to SL
Trudy Takacs: they were up for their 10k prize just recently! now they are being kicked off? dont' think that'll happen
Trudy Takacs: just don't
Trudy Takacs: :)
Kali Pizzaro: same here Iggy
AJ Brooks: Terranc is a great guy - I met with him yesterday
Kali Pizzaro: all mature students
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, I agree there are a few no matter what their age...just don't like virtual worlds.
AJ Brooks: Teen Grid is unsustainable, from a business perspective
Trudy Takacs: @Ignatuius, agree - so really don't think Teen SL in its current state was /is being used by other than schools
Trudy Takacs: don't think the lone teen in hanging out, spending money
AJ Brooks: if it were to spin off, it would fail within months
Zotarah Shepherd: SL is like a blank canvus v a paint by numbers like the game worlds
Trudy Takacs: so their biggest customer is the school market
Trudy Takacs: for that age
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Trudy, I'm speaking of 18-22 year olds on the main grid. SL is not directed enough for them.
AJ Brooks: they could never afford the programmers alone, my guess is
Esme Qunhua: There are an increasing number of teachers of younger children working on RG
Trudy Takacs: I'm half-full on this issue, I believe they'll make it work
Jimmie Veeper: @AJ - Unsustainable because educators failed to capitalize on the idea of an open sim rather than keeping it closed.
Profdan Netizen: I think that Philip's focus on "fast, easy, fun" will help with students enjoying the use of SL. I think that lag and clunkiness really hinder their immersion.
Jimmie Veeper: TSL suffocated from a lack of content.
Trudy Takacs: I know Ignatius
Daniel Voyager: True, Jimmie it did.
Trudy Takacs: I just carried it over to teen - if college kids don't care, the teens certainly don't
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, US Millennials want structure, not freedom to create. And they socialize IRL and don't need immersive experiences. They use tech to augment, not immerse.
Zotarah Shepherd: Most teens who like SL either build or have some special interest here.
Jimmie Veeper: And really it was up to educators to sell the goods, and we failed.
Kali Pizzaro: @Iggy do you think that it might be because it is not mobile
Jimmie Veeper: Closed sims, well, are closed sims.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I hate saying that, but at Richmond that is 98% of my studnets
Trudy Takacs: @Jimmie, in our case it was the technology
Eurominuteman Jameson: how does mobile fit to this discussion?
Kali Pizzaro: in the same way as other Social media
Profdan Netizen: They love immersion with video games, Iggy.
Jimmie Veeper: Whatever the reasons.
Nicholas Hawthorne: jimmie, not to mention all the armies and stuff on TG. they would crash the sim every time there was a battle. and most teens doin't like the armies
Zotarah Shepherd: So we teach them to build and to discover some interests here.
Jimmie Veeper: Educators need to collaborate with each other.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan, but that's different. It's not a social technology like SL. It has a goal and an outcome and a score.
Profdan Netizen: And immersion is valuable particularly with online students.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Jimmie
Trudy Takacs: this is crazy but I think Phil is right - once they can make it 'faster and easier' then they'll pull more in
AJ Brooks: Yes - I agree too Trudy
Trudy Takacs: maybe be able to lower the costs, etc.
Kali Pizzaro: Eoru because if you look at folk who actually opens there computer if they just want to go FB or twittter etc
Oronoque Westland: As an educator I am concerned with the pedagogical/andragogical value of virtual worlds...that is a different matter from the business value...I think LL is concerned with the business value...when the two complement one another its great...when they don't education takes second place
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Now if we could build un-lame games in SL, it would be more popular
Daniel Voyager: Jimmie, the issue was that there was a lot of closed education sims on the TG and if more were to open i'm sure education there would be a lot more popular than it is today.
Trudy Takacs: One grid, is the foundation, I believe
Profdan Netizen: Yeah, Trudy, at first I though Philip's "fast, easy, fun" was silly, but the more I thought about it, the more I thought he was going in the right direction.
AJ Brooks: education grids are in the works, but LL is so far ahead of the curve on the technology
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: One of the most popular paper-and-dice gaming systems, Savage Worlds (which I play), uses the slogan "Fast, Furious, Fun!"
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Everyone - Headed to president's convocation. a bright spot each year i don't want to miss. See you soon.
Kali Pizzaro: The pedagogy is up to you to sort not them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Olivia!
AJ Brooks: Bye Olivia
Nicholas Hawthorne: yeah eye4you alliance island was fun to be on and there were alot of teens just hanging ou there
Trudy Takacs: bye
Graham Mills: Bye Olivia
Profdan Netizen: Bye, Olivia.
Jimmie Veeper: I've been coming to this group, as a K-12er for a few months now. Mind if a I share my blogging thoughts?
Kali Pizzaro: Bye Olivia
Zotarah Shepherd: There are some role play sims that are structured and interesting enough
Milena McWinnie: Bye olivia
Daniel Voyager: Global Kids was another favourite for teens.
Jimmie Veeper: http://www.fullertonj.com/blog/
Margaret Michalski: bye olivia
Eurominuteman Jameson: Sustainability is word for education and business
Trudy Takacs: @please do Jimmie
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, true, but SL needs better vehicle physics and a good combat system to compete with "real" games
Jimmie Veeper: If you have thoughts, please let me know.
Nicholas Hawthorne: global kids was very fun
Jimmie Veeper: This is a wonderfully intelligent group of educators.
AJ Brooks: Ty Jimmie - I agree with you - our folks rock ! :)
Profdan Netizen: Can you give us a thumbnail version here, Jimmie?
Zotarah Shepherd: True Iggy and I think that will happen when
Esme Qunhua: Nich I'd love to hear your thoughts on Teen Grid from former teen point of view. What would you need to make a great teen grid.
Trudy Takacs: and I understand why Barry at Global Kids is upset
Trudy Takacs: about teens no longer having 'just their place'
Jitsu Mantel: @ignatius, I don't get the sense that better physics is going to come from LL... does anyone else?
Graham Mills: Ditto @Daniel
Zotarah Shepherd: and Skoolaborate too
Jimmie Veeper: @ Pro - Well, I make an argument that closed sims killed the TG.
Zotarah Shepherd: and Firesabre too
Trudy Takacs: but I still think this needed to be done
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Iggy, esp. with vehicle physics.
Nicholas Hawthorne: well for one most teens didn't like the armies, like new rome. i know i did.
Jimmie Veeper: And educators failed to sell the idea completely to parents and school boards.
Profdan Netizen: Jimmie--closed sims in TG?
AJ Brooks: armies, Nick?
Esme Qunhua: Armies? Nich
AJ Brooks: lol
Jimmie Veeper: Open sims were needed for a free flow of ideas between students and educators - period.
AJ Brooks: ESME - stop that!
Esme Qunhua: haha
Oronoque Westland: Not sure how we are measuring greatness? Is it the number of students who stay on in a virtual world after the course is over? Or is it the success ofthe learning process? I do not expect students to come back to my classroom after the semester ends in order to measure my success but an occassional email is a big thing for me.
Zotarah Shepherd: If schools can make closed sims in SL and RegApi accounts I don't see why any age could not come to those.
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Nicholas Hawthorne: one of them was new rome, from what i remember.
Daniel Voyager: Yes.
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Oro.
Esme Qunhua: what is an ARMY Nich?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Oro--my latest blog is about why educators may not need any big grid at all for a simulation
AJ Brooks: tell us about the armies - what do you mean?
Graham Mills: @Zo, agred
Esme Qunhua: AJ!!!
Zotarah Shepherd: I think if students can socialize and go on tours in SL they might stay after a class is over
Kali Pizzaro: True @Oroqu
Daniel Voyager: killing other teens at combat regions and bases.
AJ Brooks: there is an effort underway to work on governance rules (basically, points of agreement) for an edu specific grid
Daniel Voyager: shooting even
Nicholas Hawthorne: lol mostly just teens shooting at each other with guns, bombing the sim and stuff until the sim crashed
Graham Mills: Better if the estates could merge tho
Meredith Winslet: Good point Zo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I told that to Bryan Alexander from Nat'l Institute for Tech in Liberal Ed and he agreed: students use a simulation, profit from it, but dont' need a larger world, depending on the course
AJ Brooks: ah - got it - thought so, wanted to be sure - thanks nick
Kali Pizzaro: My students come to do what they need to do then go back to their busy lives
Trudy Takacs: well @Ignatius
Eurominuteman Jameson: a content repository that operates for cross-platform use is the benchmark requirement
samanda Undercroft: I've never been part of the teen grid, but the connection between geometry and SL seems natural. If it were easy, kids might use it to conceptualize what they are learning.
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Graham Mills: Yes, Kali
Trudy Takacs: our program is job training and one area is customer service
Zotarah Shepherd: If any age person wants to come to the main grid all they have to do is lie about their age when they set up the account.
Profdan Netizen: True here as well, Kali.
Trudy Takacs: the economy and the SL population is a great way to practice
Esme Qunhua: Yes Nich I think we have to remember that the teen grid was two things 1) Social and Unstructur and 2) Educational programming with structure. 2 different beasts.
Graham Mills: @Euro -- agreed
Trudy Takacs: and learn marketing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, mine to. We'll use Usher next term for a class with shared, premade avis but the students wont' go anywhere else
Zotarah Shepherd: On the teen grid they had to prove their age
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Daniel Voyager: yes
Sarvana Haalan: sorry... I crashed
Nicholas Hawthorne: most teens i knew were the ones who didn't like to be in an army.
Esme Qunhua: Dan are you a former TGer (not teacher)
Esme Qunhua: Like marauding gangs these armies?
Jimmie Veeper: @ Trudy - That was my entire theme on the TG, marketing and bsuinesses.
Daniel Voyager: Former TGer like Nicholas.
Nicholas Hawthorne: dan and i transferred within two weeks of each other, him in december 08 and i in jan 09
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Most of my students have been told to steer clear of games b/c it hurts their future job prospects
Esme Qunhua: cool. glad to see you here!!!!
Trudy Takacs: @Jimmie:)
Kali Pizzaro: 32 on the sim for the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: 5 mins
AJ Brooks: We have only about 5 minutes left, so I want to make on ehousekeeping announcement. Next weeks meeting topic is not decided yet, but the 2nd will be Immersive Literature, a special monthly meeting, and the week after that (the 9th) will be ANOTHER special monthly meeting, where I'll be chatting with Terrance Linden the entire hour
Trudy Takacs: boy this has gone fast
Profdan Netizen: Do you mean MMORPGs, iggy?
Daniel Voyager: feel free to IM us if you have any questions later :D
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Eurominuteman Jameson: YESH?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan, mostly them. The kids love Wii and other casual games we provide on campus or they have themselves.
Margaret Michalski: geeze this was a quick meeting : )
Margaret Michalski: this
Profdan Netizen: So who tells them gaming will harm their job prospects?
Esme Qunhua: Iggy how will games negatively affect career prospects?
hobbs Constantine: ex-gamers
annafarida Maggiore: hi everyone...it's my first meeting
Eurominuteman Jameson: hehe
hobbs Constantine: (being snarky)
Trudy Takacs: hi annafarida
Oronoque Westland: welcome
AJ Brooks: welcome annafarida
Zotarah Shepherd: I would think gaming online like in WoW would improve skills.
annafarida Maggiore: thx for sharing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan, parents and High school counselors...the fear is taking too much time that should be spent on work...sad to this RPGer
Sarvana Haalan: Hello Ummah
Kali Pizzaro: no problem uou are welcome
Profdan Netizen: Great to have you annafarida!
Zotarah Shepherd: Welcome annafarida Maggiore: h
Jitsu Mantel: Before we finish, just wanted to say this move to MG has great potential for projects with upperclassmen, but I still have no idea what to do with the underclassmen. This might be our first year exploring OSGrid or other Open Sim grids.
Daniel Voyager: http://danielvoyagerblog.wordpress.com/ - check it out if your interested :) got alot of useful information
Trudy Takacs: I follow you on twitter:)
Profdan Netizen: lol, well, that's true of anything enjoyable, Iggy!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 30+ years of D&D and similar games and I still bathe, have a job, am married, work out, etc. :)
Sarvana Haalan: sorry Annafarida... I can't see well today
Sarvana Haalan: Hello
Graham Mills: lol, Daniel -- great blog
AJ Brooks: once the school year starts again - we WILL start our "other worlds" tours again
Trudy Takacs: ha Iggy
annafarida Maggiore: hello
AJ Brooks: I want to go back to Reaction Grid, and to 3rd Rock Grid
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe Iggy I played for many years too
annafarida Maggiore: I'm still awkward :-)
Jitsu Mantel: @DAniel, I didn't know a date had been set; guess it's /really/ official now.
Margaret Michalski: Hurray. LOL
Trudy Takacs: how so @ AJ?
Profdan Netizen: Yeah, the idea that students have to focus on their career 24/7 is silly.
Margaret Michalski: Missed those meetings
AJ Brooks: how so what, Trudy?
Eurominuteman Jameson: these people are well-updated about the trends http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/
Daniel Voyager: thanks, started it in late 2007 during my TG experience and now on MG - all things SL :D
Alan Sandalwood: @Iggy played for several years. Unfortunately, had to stop, sad
annafarida Maggiore: I'm new at SL but eager to learn :-)
Trudy Takacs: go back to Raction Grid and 3rd Rock - talk about it now or literally move your class there
Sarvana Haalan: AJ Brooks , are you using ReactionGrid alot?
Zotarah Shepherd: I am glad you came to the meeting Daniel and Nicholas. Thanks
AJ Brooks: the VWER did "tours", meetings on thos other grids
Nicholas Hawthorne: You're Welcome :D
AJ Brooks: not one of our regular weekly meetings, tho
Profdan Netizen: Any more tours coming up, AJ?
Jitsu Mantel: @AJ, still don't understand OpenSim grids; I just show up as a cloud every time I try.
Trudy Takacs: oh you mean another tour? I'd like that
Daniel Voyager: 31st december 2010 is the official date, but that might change who knows. More in that future blog post by LL soon.
Trudy Takacs: I just tried for 2 days to get into Reaction grid
Trudy Takacs: no luck
LOM Runner: darn.. wrong hour
AJ Brooks: yes - we will be holding special meetings in other grids this semester
Sarvana Haalan: Do you meet in OSGrid also?
Nicholas Hawthorne: YESH
Nicholas Hawthorne: you don't know with LL
Jitsu Mantel: Is there any consensus forming about which Open Sim grid or grids the 13- to 15-year olds will turn to?
AJ Brooks: Our hour is up
Trudy Takacs: ha
AJ Brooks: thanks everyone - GREAT meeting
AJ Brooks: as always
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Sarvana, we should visit OSGrid and InWorldz, yes
Margaret Michalski: thanks AJ
Graham Mills: ty all
AJ Brooks: you are welcome to hang out and continue chatting if you want
AJ Brooks: for as long as you want
Trudy Takacs: right at the crucial question!
Kali Pizzaro: I think some fol will make their own OS
Margaret Michalski: good to be back
Zotarah Shepherd: There will be some tours on other grids at the VWGrad Student Unsymposium \October 23 & 24th
Trudy Takacs: thank you all
Alan Sandalwood: Bye AJ
Meredith Winslet: It's always interesting. Thanks!
Jimmie Veeper: Thanks again AJ.