Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: June 29, 2010
Topic: "Dear Philip" -- what educators would tell Philip Linden, were he present
Iggy's Note: I'll pull out an executive summary of the questions for Philip Rosedale here. Since the end of the meeting got testy, and I was among the testiest of the bunch, having a list of URLs and major points here will be particularly useful.
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Important Points:
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
Zotarah Shepherd: Hello
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: I would like to introduce Devine Darkwatch who is a teacher at utah and is only five hours old.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
Zotarah Shepherd: I don't see another chair rezzing.
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Mimi Muircastle: me either - chairs please?
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Logos Sohl: I thought I was just dealing with lag, I'm not seeing chairs either
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 32 on the sim already
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Devine
Jimmie Veeper: Here take mine.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter as VWER.
Louise Later: Weclome!
Zotarah Shepherd: It derezzes when you stand up
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: Just one more reminder, we ask that everyone sitting in the theater seating join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on side closest to the ramp.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ can reset in a minute to a bigger size
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type into local chat now
Mimi Muircastle: thanks iggy our avies need to rest !
AJ Brooks: Let us know who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
Milena McWinnie: ok
Jimmie Veeper: James Fullerton, from Southern Lehigh SD, PA
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught four courses with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher. This simulation debuted in the 2009-2010 academic year.
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology & psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life Foundation Skills in Second Life.
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK. I'm Head of Academic Quality and Standards
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Nurse Lecturer Glasgow Caledonian University Scotland
Devine Darkwatch: I am Lee Devine Dixie State college
Sam55 Chester: I am a Writing and Composition instructor at National Park Community College
Salamanca Congrejo: Salamanca Congrejo, aka Terry Hodgson. NASA eEducation.
Mimi Muircastle: mimi/charlotte no affiliation - just love educ. :)
JeanClaude Vollmar: Hi, I'm Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm their VP for Information Technology.
Zola Zsun: Zola Zsun/Linda Lindsey...UTSA
Logos Sohl: Logo Sohl, Niamh O Riordan, Phd Student, University College Cork, Ireland trying to complete a thesis on knowledge creation in virtual worlds focusing on SL and the education community within it
barbarathelibrarian Magic: johnson & wales university doctoral student/ librarian
Graham Mills: Peter Miller, biologist, University of Liverpool
Chantal Harvey: i create machinima at http://mamachinima.eu - for all puposes on a professional base, and run the MMIF festival, and produce the 48 hour film project
Milena McWinnie: Milena Hanusek,Poland,teaching in Teen Second Life (my MA thesis)
Callista Silvansky: visual information designer at oregon state university
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State Chico, educator, techie, sim designer, janitor
Louise Later: Louise Nicholson, Berllitz teacher, special ed teacher in Los Angeles, with the Virtual guidedog group, and LARRS
Eurominuteman Jameson: quality management and project management adult trainer in germany
Azwaldo Villota: John Wallace - former microbiologist, educator, and research assistant; freelance instructional design in SL
AJ Brooks: seating should be working again
Salamanca Congrejo: Co-manage NASA education islands. Section 508 accessibility advocate.
Mimi Muircastle: it is thanks AJ
AJ Brooks: who else hasn't introduced themsevles
Mimi Muircastle: zo there is a chair next to me :)
AJ Brooks: also - folks - now that the chairs are appearing agin - please come sit around the table
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology & psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life Foundation Skills in Second Life.
Zotarah Shepherd: Funny how our avatars sitting rather than standing seems to make a difference.
Olivia Hotshot: chairs appear to the left of Logos
Cristina Florian: Cristina Florian. English teacher.
Olivia Hotshot: oops Kali
Louise Later: Section 508 and 255 avocate, too
Milly Abrahams: MSc in Information and Library Studie, specialized in Educational Technologies in Brazil
Kali Pizzaro: np
Zotarah Shepherd: Ahh that's better
Robin Mochi: Robin Ashford, Reference & Distance Services Librarian, Portland, Oregon USA - adjunct instructor for SOE in SL
Salamanca Congrejo: Are these chairs Dragon tiny friendly? ;-)
AJ Brooks: they may be - try :-)
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, entrepreneur
Jimmie Veeper: familiaritym Zotarah
Salamanca Congrejo: Or Beyond can sit on the table ;-)
AJ Brooks: anyone else to introeduce themsevles?
Beyond Baroque: I'd raher stnd
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: going twice
AJ Brooks: Sold to Philip Bighead
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heehee
Zotarah Shepherd smiles at Birdie who is much more than an entrepreneur.
AJ Brooks: so - todays' topic is - basially -
Josain Zsun is a middle science & technology facilitator also teaching environmental design and virtual worlds. Here to build a woodlands > desert transition biome and always looking for interested volunteers. Ed. Chair in Chilbo (Summer Faire July 4-11…yall come)
AJ Brooks: what is it we'd like to tell Philip Linden, if he were here
AJ Brooks: ok
Chantal Harvey: first thing i would like to invite him to come over
AJ Brooks: I'll start us off - BRING OUR COMMUNITY BACK!
Salamanca Congrejo: Format? Just everyone type at once?
AJ Brooks: All microphones should be off
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: which community, AJ?
AJ Brooks: All community, Joe
Chantal Harvey: who took it away, hehe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the edu support folks at the Lab?
Zotarah Shepherd looks around. Were we lost?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, under M
AJ Brooks: no - the community the SL has systematically killed over two years
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we lost our way as a "world." SL seems more a Sims Deluxe now
Chantal Harvey: i wasnt lost under M
Louise Later: as in Pathfinder being gone
Zotarah Shepherd: I miss the Lindens who helped us so much with education. Claudia, Jay, George, Pathfinder. *sniffs*
AJ Brooks: and Claudia and George - and the Community Leader program
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Lab beat up on Jokay under M's "guidance"
Zotarah Shepherd: Claudia*
Graham Mills: I think that's a little over-stated -- VWBPE seemed pretty good to me
AJ Brooks: thats an event - not a community
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: praising her on the one hand, then issuing a cease-and-desist on the other
Olivia Hotshot: exactly, AJ.
Firery Broome: but I think the community is still there just changed, we have more educators here than ever and there are way more resources for them
AJ Brooks: and more are heading for over VWs
Logos Sohl: Can I ask us to clarify? Is this what educators want to say to PR or what Second Lifers want to say? These are different things imo
Graham Mills: 800 institutions now
AJ Brooks: who says? LL?
Zotarah Shepherd: How did that happen AJ? What can we do to bring educators back to SL?
AJ Brooks: LOL
Olivia Hotshot: i think i would like to tell Phillip we are not just something to be bolted onto the world, we want to be an integral part of it and supported by LL
Firery Broome: one or two people gone while not a great thing is not the community gone
Salamanca Congrejo: Yes, and many government orgs, and all requiring adherence to Section 508 of the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Firery Broome: just means we have to work harder
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Firery, I'm not sure. How do you measure "more educators"?
Graham Mills: Jokay is till in SL
Eurominuteman Jameson: the numbers of residents has negative growth since mid 2008the number of residents has been dropping since mid 2008
AJ Brooks: its not one or two people - and Jokay is here, but she spends a lot of time NOT here
Zola Zsun: I would like to understand what anyone wants linden to do to bring back community
Zotarah Shepherd: And she is in RG too
Logos Sohl: Is this community dying precisely because we have so many resources now? We don't absolutely have to work together any more? Is it really LL's fault that educators are (a)not as active as they were (b) exploring new worlds?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Graham that's a testimony to what a nice lady Jokay is, not to LL's management style
Salamanca Congrejo: So I'd like to tell Philip that LL needs to start complying with Section 508 if they want to continue to do business with universities and government
Louise Later: Yes--if education is being done here with public institutions, then the education needs to be 508 compliant
Kali Pizzaro: do we have to choose one Vw? can we not use many.
Firery Broome: just look at your numbers here. I remember some years ago, coming here and thinking everyone had gone
Firery Broome: I missed it
Olivia Hotshot: Hell, an entire area - continent - was given to support the porn comunity - an educationally centered place would be nice. But we just don;t have porn dollars
Louise Later: Which means keyboard access to everything
AJ Brooks: we CAN use many, and should NOT have to choose
Zotarah Shepherd: 36 people here
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: Great point LL
Firery Broome: I see new people all the time on UD from all over and send them to places like this for community
AJ Brooks: it would be great if everything operated on standards, and we could intergrid
Graham Mills: @Olivia -- the zoning was done for the benefit of education
Eurominuteman Jameson: Linden will be compliant with US Dept. of Defense Directives
Olivia Hotshot: @Graham, i beg to differ on that
Salamanca Congrejo: They haven't been so far
Eurominuteman Jameson: as military contractor
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I know that some of you with grants need to provide copies of all materials...hard to do with out out-of-world backups
Louise Later: @Eurominutemena which directives?
Graham Mills: @Olivia Let's agree to differ :)
Eurominuteman Jameson: they havent been, true
AJ Brooks: and this crap about needed to be an "creator" in order to take something out!
Olivia Hotshot: 36 on sim.
Eurominuteman Jameson: restructure is overdue
Graham Mills: That not crap
AJ Brooks: it is - if I pay for it - its mine!
Zola Zsun: out of world assets.. that is a big deal i think... we need to have them
Logos Sohl: If it was stolen it isnt AJ
Graham Mills: Depends what you paid for
AJ Brooks: Imagine if I bought a couch but could only use it in the apartment I'm living in now
Firery Broome: not if you can go and sell it as your own on another world
Olivia Hotshot: like taking it across state lines =)
Sheila Yoshikawa: hmm but AJ you can't make copies of the couch, you are moving the same couch
Graham Mills: Yes, but did the vendor know you planned to take it to where no IPR exists
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, AJ, it makes sense that you cannot rip others' textures but, what if a student designs a build, leaves SL (as they mostly do) and then I cannot back it up? This is what happened at Usher
AJ Brooks: which I could do with my couch, since it is mine, and I OWN it - I paid for it
Louise Later: "licence" and IP are tricky
Logos Sohl: But still, AJ is right, it's a vital issue that must be solved so educators can make backups of whats created here
Firery Broome: What is needed is a place to buy for your inventory, where ever you are. Not just one VW location
AJ Brooks: If I pay a firm to design MSU sim - who owns it?
Firery Broome: some creators here will deliver to your world of choice
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am a content creator, and yes! i dont want stuff stolen and taken out of world. what does this have to do with education?
Graham Mills: You give them a prim, they copy it -- you own it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Firery, that is a gleam in Jon Himoff's eyes. Rezzable wants to do just that--multiworld inventory
Jimmie Veeper: Ultimately the LL gods own everything, right?
Olivia Hotshot: Cleo - many educational institutions have builders who make the content
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: ty
Firery Broome: Yes my gleam too
AJ Brooks: I have a team who builds for me
Graham Mills: @Jimmie -- nope
Louise Later: @Cleo--and students who leave
Olivia Hotshot: I am with Firery on the inventory
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: my taxes pay for that ? while teachers are being laid off all over America?
Graham Mills: IP rests with the creator
AJ Brooks: I pay them - its called Work for Hire
Eurominuteman Jameson: where are you going to get the masses of out-world newbies flocking in
Olivia Hotshot: Cleo what are you talking about?
Firery Broome: VW all hypergrid Your inventory is yours were ever you go
Cristina Florian: @CLEOPATRA Are you on twitter or facebook too?
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: nope
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cleopatra, I agree that you should be concerned, but for edu builders we often work on a gift economy anyhow. I give our digital videos and HTML code away under a creative commons license.
Cristina Florian: Thanks
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont think educators should be different than anyone else in sl though
AJ Brooks: thats silly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will differ. We should be able to set IP rights for what we make
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but no one else should Ig?
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: im confused.
Zola Zsun: :)
Firery Broome: This is a common problem with education, not a lot of funding, expect deep discounts.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if I want everyone to download my build, so be it. And I meant that all creators should have that right
Louise Later: People who are disabled are so often isolated that education becomes difficult. Education in Second Life® can get past that isolation, if Phillip makes accessibility a priority
Graham Mills: @Louise -- totally agree
AJ Brooks: Its simple - if I pay someone to make something for me - I OWN is, it is mine, and I should be able to take it to our own (MSU's ) opens im world if I want
Salamanca Congrejo: Yes, Louise
Eurominuteman Jameson: the inflow of out-world newbies does not compensate the out-flow of residents
Salamanca Congrejo: Plus, it's the law if they want to sell to gov
Louise Later: True, Sal
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: here's a bigger issue for Philip: state the vision he has for education in SL
Firery Broome: Are there other VW that are as more developed with accessibility tools
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: he's a vision guy
Salamanca Congrejo: Twould be nice to know that
AJ Brooks: So - we're looking at IP rights, property rights, accessibility, what else is a trending topic here so far
Devine Darkwatch: I am sorry but, I am not sure I am following the flow of the discussion what are we talking about here
Beyond Baroque: Accessibility boils down to an accessible viewer. That can be done by third party developers, like Radegast.
Mimi Muircastle: yes, Iggy I am also interested in Philips vision for educ as well as all of SL :)
Louise Later: It should be the standard viewer that is accessible.
Eurominuteman Jameson: what about 3d browser-based competitors drawing people away
Salamanca Congrejo: It can, Beyond, but LL has no reason not to make their viewer accessible.
Kali Pizzaro: However it is good practice to acknowledge who built it. Just as it is good practice to acknowledge the subject expert if they come up with an idea but someone else helps build content for a educational si
Kali Pizzaro: sim
AJ Brooks: yes - I agree @Louise - image if we started requiring the disabled to pay for access in the actual world?
Graham Mills: If I'm installing it at my institution, I expect to use the LL viewer
Zotarah Shepherd: Reaction Grid seems to get better, but still not up to SL standards, but they are all about education.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "your world your imagination" got pulled as our motto in late 2007, I think. He was still CEO then :(
Mimi Muircastle: and, Kali, just as we must acknowledge authors and copyrights
Rachelle Munro: Euro, yes I've seen quite a bit of talk about that the last few weeks
Kali Pizzaro: indeed Mimi
Eurominuteman Jameson: i've seen quite a bit of definite examples
Mimi Muircastle: yes, Iggy - your world your imagination has to return to us!
Graham Mills: Never went as far as I'm concerned
AJ Brooks: so - standards, vision, accessibility, IP, property rights....
Mimi Muircastle: me either Graham, just want it still recognized :)
Salamanca Congrejo: Teen Second Life resolution.
Graham Mills: Um, yes
AJ Brooks: explain Salamanca
Chantal Harvey: never wait for somebody else to give "your world, your imagination" - grab it and do it yourself
Mimi Muircastle: yes, def. teen resolution
Salamanca Congrejo: Either integrate w/ main grid or provide decent support on Teen Grid
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: stability is better now, I'll give M's tenure that. We need to retain stability under a Web-based client.
Firery Broome: Right Chantal!
Zola Zsun: yes chantal :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: agreed--but pulling it said a lot.
Salamanca Congrejo: But since the recent layoffs, we have major service problems.
Chantal Harvey: Philip created this world, M made it a little better
Salamanca Congrejo: Because everyone's gone
Chantal Harvey: and it is our world
Graham Mills: Marketing-speak
AJ Brooks: M made it better?
Eurominuteman Jameson: i'm afraid the belly-button domestic viewpoint and way of drawing a system boundary line is not addressing the risks
Chantal Harvey: he did
Olivia Hotshot: <sits quiet>
AJ Brooks: HOW?????
Chantal Harvey: he was personally chosen by philip to do what he did
AJ Brooks: yeah - fire everyone
Chantal Harvey: i remember ppl complaining about philip, back then
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: M noted that LL would focus on improving stability. It got better until viewer 2 came out
Eurominuteman Jameson: reduce un-quality costs
Firery Broome: Happens in all companies and education!
Olivia Hotshot: - reminds people that a lot of what gets stated here is hearsay-
Salamanca Congrejo: lol
Chantal Harvey: lol - philip was on the board that fired everybody.......
Eurominuteman Jameson: and increase quality
Louise Later: One of the ways to provide more accessibility is to add an "Accessibility Items" folder to the avatar's library--that where ever avatar has it right from its creation
AJ Brooks: I have as many problems with certain things now as I ever have
Josain Zsun: People will always complain about whoever is at the reigns and promises Change
Ginger Marseille: I still dont know why all those lindens were fired
AJ Brooks: Chantel, do you know how most "boards" work?
Ginger Marseille: anyone know?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chantal, that's a good point not enough folks make. And there was a proportionally large layoff in 2003
Salamanca Congrejo: True, Louise.
Mimi Muircastle: so true, Josain
AJ Brooks: Boards are not usually hands on for day to day affairs - that is what they pay the CEO for
Eurominuteman Jameson: because external developments are changing the system boundary lines
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Even in 2007, when I came in, there was an illusion at least of openness. Recall a town meeting? I got to one of them.
Eurominuteman Jameson: reducing un-quality costs, also increases quality
Chantal Harvey: prad prathivi did a brilliant blog on Philip returning as CEO, may i share that link here?
Firery Broome: I think SL has improved GREATLY since I first arrived here.
Salamanca Congrejo: So Re accessibility, I'd like to see LL meet with all the groups in SL that are working in this area and doing great things. But just because volunteers are contributing to accessibility does not mean LL doesn't need to do their part.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chantal, please--they go into the transcript
Chantal Harvey: agree, firery
Graham Mills: @Firery -- agree
Chantal Harvey: http://blog.pradprathivi.com/2010/06/26/business-versus-fun-how-rosedales-return-splits-second-life/
Salamanca Congrejo: Virtual Ability, Virtual Helping Hands, IBM, Radegast developers, etc. etc.
Graham Mills: Philip is interim CEO -- we should not get too hung up on him
Kali Pizzaro: Good point Salamanca
Mimi Muircastle: ty Chantal - read it too - excellent
AJ Brooks: Salamanca - this is what the content area reps were supposed to do - but now they fired them all
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The only grid that compares now, in terms of stability & quality, in Heritage Key. But you cannot build there. It's an interactive museum, realy.
Sheila Yoshikawa: Claudia Linden was being accessible to people - but of course she too has gone ...
Salamanca Congrejo: Makes me wonder where the company direction is going
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Reaction and Third Rock Grids are promising, but clunky and laggy if you try to build.
Salamanca Congrejo: Or is Philip going to reinstate people
AJ Brooks: well - that speaks to Iggy's question about Vision
Chantal Harvey: i miss the people that are gone, a lot - thinking of blue, mia, makes me so sad - but was it M that fired, or hired? he hired a lot of ppl when he came to SL
Firery Broome: Web based VWs is my guess for the future.
Graham Mills: IMO SL is becoming a general purpose VW -- how it started
AJ Brooks: M didn't hire those folks
Eurominuteman Jameson: viewer 2 rollout 2010 was done without windows 7 support of 2009, no one does that in IT industry, thats very clear dragging feet and un-quality to remedy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: eliminating Path's job was a real slap to us
Chantal Harvey: i think it is very very quiet...and blogs are down atm at secondlife.,com - hope we will hear more soon
Olivia Hotshot: agrees with Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: even though, officially, he was an evangelist not an edu guy
Louise Later agrees with Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: he did bring in the UT system--more of "Three Stooges Management" under M
Chantal Harvey: oh i have w7, 64 bits, and sl runs
AJ Brooks: serving C&D orders was a slap, Path was a kick when we were down
Mimi Muircastle: interesting that path was on Red Rock yesterday during an ISTE preso
Logos Sohl: I think this social networking thing they want to push is interesting given the importance of social metrics for retention. I think that's clever for rebuilding community
Salamanca Congrejo: Yes, AJ - what the content area reps were supposed to do. But frankly, I never was able to get much response from them because they were overbooked
Josain Zsun: I have survived several Real world startups > exponential growth > visioneer hands off to MBAs > They rewrite their golden parachutes not knowing what the original community was all about > major "downsizing" and either the original charisma is attracted back or they look for buyers.
AJ Brooks: yes - they were busy - which should have told the company we needed more, not less
Eurominuteman Jameson: loss of newbies since mid 2008 is a greater kick
Salamanca Congrejo: I'm a bit horrified by the social networking links idea myself.
Zola Zsun: i like the focus on social networking
Zola Zsun: it does build community
Louise Later: why Sal?
Salamanca Congrejo: If it's optional, that's one thing, but if it's required?
AJ Brooks: it should be like Voice - there is you want it
Logos Sohl: WoW is doing something similar at the moment but there are some privacy issues to do with how they are rolling it out in terms of linking rl identities to avatars
Louise Later: right AJ
Sheila Yoshikawa: but I'm not sure the stuff linking to web-based social networking is so effective? or at least not as a general tool.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Eurominuteman, can you post a URL for the stats about loss of new SLers?
AJ Brooks: some luddites aren't on social networks (peers at Iggy)
Marc Rexen: Some privacy issues?
Salamanca Congrejo: Many people in SL *like* their anonymity - or however you spell it
Eurominuteman Jameson: well farmville on facebook made the benchmark that SL has dragging feet
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Olivia Hotshot: I simply do not want to be called peripheral to tell you the truth - i'd like to tell Phillip to speak with respect when he talks about us. (Linden Lab devoted too many resources serving "peripheral" markets like enterprise and education:
"[W]e sought to get different types of people across that moat and over those walls [of Second Life's barrier to entry], whether we're talking about international Residents, or the community welcome areas, or enterprise or education users — we've been sort of building these little, thin bridges that try and quickly get everybody kind of over that wall and into Second Life. )
Ignatius Onomatopoeia checks his LinkedIn Profile annually, Mr. Smartypants Brooks
AJ Brooks: ROFL
Salamanca Congrejo: And some techies shun social networks (other than SL ;-D )
AJ Brooks: and hey, how about that twitter feed, Ig!
Mimi Muircastle: and iggy tweets :)
Eurominuteman Jameson: farm ville grew 20 times faster than SL in 10 months on facebook
Marc Rexen: Location tracking in iTunes, one avatar for FB...it will trend toward drawing away from many social networking sites -- SL allowing multiple AV's has the right approach.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Twitter is self-promotion for me :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Sheila Yoshikawa: some communities have strong links inside SL and outside (e.g. via plurk) but not sure you can have a generalised social networking link via Avatars united
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Drunkhulk
Graham Mills: Farmville is a very different entity to SL
AJ Brooks: Buy into the Standards and become the core world in a universe of virtual worlds
Chantal Harvey: farmville is down and out i hear, it s not popular anymore
Mimi Muircastle: love drunkhulk :)
Eurominuteman Jameson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FarmVille
Since its launch in June 2009, FarmVille has become the most popular game application on Facebook, with over 82.4 million active users and over 23.9 million Facebook application fans in May 2010. The total FarmVille users are over 20% of the users of Facebook and over 1% of the population of the world.
Logos Sohl: the major trends are social networking and mobile right now. If SL is to jump on a bandwagon, the social networking one is a good one.
Marc Rexen: Farmville is dumb :) People get bored quickly with it, indeed, much of the current social gets boring...Instead of linking out to them, LL should try to get them to link in.
Chantal Harvey: it s not growth, it s quality that counts
Salamanca Congrejo: Good point, euro on growth.
Chantal Harvey: sl gets better all the time
Ginger Marseille: I got sick of farmville
barbarathelibrarian Magic: librarians heavily linked inside and outside SL via google groups
Eurominuteman Jameson: its the benchmark for using facebook
Josain Zsun: If you're describing what you're doing…then your not doing it. - Lewis Black on Twitter
Salamanca Congrejo: Like I said, if it's an option, that's ok.
Marc Rexen: Yes, first social, first game, always exciting, then you learn.
Kali Pizzaro: hates all FB apps
Salamanca Congrejo: lol, Josain
Zola Zsun: if avatars united had a direct link or communication inworld it would make a difference for it.. i think it would be used more
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but has anyone like Tateru studied why we lost traction with new users? I'd like to know, more specifically, if as Firery claims, we have more educators now. I don't believe it.
AJ Brooks: me too, Kali
Olivia Hotshot: what does Farmville have to do with Phillip and what we want to tell him? i am confused - has lost train of thought
Logos Sohl: Social network based games plus gaming ideas of status points will boost retention... the foursqaure concept
Rachelle Munro: @ Logos --Yes, definitely the Mobile app is needed
Eurominuteman Jameson: SL has a lack of fresh newbies
AJ Brooks: I'm a big FB user and have never played a single game
Olivia Hotshot: me too AJ - no games
Marc Rexen: Marketing for SL is weak.
Eurominuteman Jameson: check the wikipedia link
Cristina Florian: I'm here.
Mimi Muircastle: agree, @olivia
Chantal Harvey: marketing is very weak
Cristina Florian: I'm a newby.
Kali Pizzaro: agree
Eurominuteman Jameson: true
Chantal Harvey: why dont they spend money on advertising sl properly
Sheila Yoshikawa: isn't our point that WE bring in the fresh newbies?
Salamanca Congrejo: Are they still going to make SL browser based and will that reduce our capabilities as educators?
Ginger Marseille: I'm in mafia wars
Graham Mills: Hey Cristina -- welcome :)
Sheila Yoshikawa: and train them
Cristina Florian: Thanks.
Ginger Marseille: still love that game
Mimi Muircastle: so what do we want Philip to know when he reads this chat log?
Salamanca Congrejo: Or will it improve things because more people can get in more easily?
Olivia Hotshot: Salamanca - it will open it if it goes browser based
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: And did LL ever market directly to education in the hype era? I think we found out through CNET, etc.
Eurominuteman Jameson: its a buyers market, not a sellers market, so you need marketing
Eurominuteman Jameson: see apple
Josain Zsun: Avatars United is one good tool for looking to see which Linden accounts are "no longer available"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Apple was always clever--minimal ads professionally designed
Sheila Yoshikawa: I imagine we are all here doing some of LL marketing for it
Salamanca Congrejo: I'd suggest that someone extract the salient points from the chat log rather than asking him to read it verbatim
Olivia Hotshot: Avatars United totally has flopped
Eurominuteman Jameson: apple is a magnet
Marc Rexen: They should buy some keywords...the current videos on the main SL site are compelling.
Chantal Harvey: avatars united was a way of expanding groups limitation! it just didnt develop fast enough
Eurominuteman Jameson: SL is no magnet
Sheila Yoshikawa: @salamanca yes agree lol
Mimi Muircastle: good pt. salamanca :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Salamanca, I will indeed do just that with a bullet list at the start of the transcript
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i am a little worried that many educational groups will leave SL and that disappoints me, i was hoping to write about how collaborative groups help each other in SL to achieve a new educational mode of learning.
Logos Sohl looks at Salamanca quizzically because she just read her mind
Kali Pizzaro: i would like them not to do rolling restarts every two minutes
Salamanca Congrejo: I thought you might, Ig
Ginger Marseille: I'm in avatars united and havent been in since I signed up
Kali Pizzaro: and in my class timezone lol
Ginger Marseille: LOL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ya'll stop worrying...it's my cross to bear weekly :D
Chantal Harvey: i used the hud, that lets you use AU like twitter, sort of
Marc Rexen: SL still brings the concept of Presence, which is nowhere else...it is still incredibly compelling.
Mimi Muircastle: poor iggy
Kali Pizzaro: yes Marc
Eurominuteman Jameson: SL education has to embrace that its a buyers market, and then embrace the strategies for a buyers market
Marc Rexen: Anshe Chung got on her Dreamland list this weekend.
Rachelle Munro: Agree, Marc
Kali Pizzaro: others bring connections
Mimi Muircastle: agree @Marc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia wonders if you have read all the cuss words I put in your mouths during editing :D
Marc Rexen: Talked for hours...she was clearly fishing for ideas.
Salamanca Congrejo: lol
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i would like an accurate listing of which universities are here
Firery Broome: We have to make and keep our own community if that is important, we are so much stronger than we were just a few weeks back.
AJ Brooks: How would we make that list, Barbara?
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i know there are several lists....
Mimi Muircastle: agree Firery
Olivia Hotshot: Barbara - that was/is in the making
Rachelle Munro: yes, Barb...me too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @barbara, me too. My sense is that many are leaving, following Princeton's lead
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i have been making one
Firery Broome: years not months
barbarathelibrarian Magic: slowly
Salamanca Congrejo: Ah - good point, barbara
AJ Brooks: there is no way to keep an accurate list
Eurominuteman Jameson: blindly behaving like a sellers market doesnt work
AJ Brooks: I work for one college, does that mean the whole university is inviolved?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: other academic projects like Virtual Harlem are scaling back
barbarathelibrarian Magic: is that because things are so unstable AJ?
Salamanca Congrejo: I was looking for potential university partners a few weeks ago, and had the hardest time finding any sort of list.
Firery Broome: What did Princeton do on their 9 sims
AJ Brooks: no - ite because there is no interest elsewhere, I'm the driving force on our campus
Kali Pizzaro: need to come here more often ;-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Firery, some great art
AJ Brooks: actually - one other unit uses it
Ginger Marseille: well if universities in here had real classes instead of how to make a picnic table something might be produced
Eurominuteman Jameson: this blindness, thats the job risk
Ginger Marseille: i want to take Italian
barbarathelibrarian Magic: •´¨*•.¸. Lo0oL :D .¸.•*¨`•
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and a rather literal build of the RL campus, of course. It was 2006 XD
AJ Brooks: Ginger - where the HECK did you get THAT from?
Salamanca Congrejo: They do have real classes, Ginger
Zola Zsun: yeah ginger :)
Firery Broome: Bryan is scaling back because no one rented out his brownstones and he is paying for his sims
barbarathelibrarian Magic: you have to crawl before you run
AJ Brooks: there are LOTS of real classes
Olivia Hotshot: when i went to Princeton i saw a replica of a few building in the real princeton, a library etc
Firery Broome: makes sense to scale as needed.
Firery Broome: why keep empty buildings
Salamanca Congrejo: TSTC, Virtual Harlem, etc.
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes indeed Ginger, there are real classes
Graham Mills: I don't think Princeton wasa role model
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we never see any SL coverage in the Chronicle (which may not be bad)
Kali Pizzaro: however, some are behind closed doors so you aint going to see them unless you are invited
Ginger Marseille: well point me to the italian class
Sheila Yoshikawa: no Graham, agreed
Olivia Hotshot: Yes we do Iggy - remember ?
AJ Brooks: The DO have coverage, just not recently
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Salamanca, Bryan pays for Virtual Harlem out of pocket
AJ Brooks: they did a wonderful front page article two years ago
Salamanca Congrejo: wow
barbarathelibrarian Magic: pays for jwu out of pocket
Josain Zsun: ISTE had an excellent Spanish class success presentation this afternoon....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Oliva, we did. Jeff's not written a thing in months. I think we beat him up too much, poor lad.
Eurominuteman Jameson: ERIC database has 97 hits for Education Marketing: http://tinyurl.com/2dzoqqv
Salamanca Congrejo: It's a hard sell. That's what a lot of the VWBPE talks were about.
Josain Zsun: I see WOW ads every night.
Ginger Marseille: I might need a math refresher course too
Mimi Muircastle: jeff seems to only twitter these days :)
Marc Rexen: It's the projects that seem to have a lot of work put into them that does the best. The Canadian border project, the Tacoma Hospital project. I don't feel bots have been fully leveraged for their situation Role Play capabilities yet.
Salamanca Congrejo: And that's one advantage a browser based SL would have
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks Euro--I'll see if I can compress that URL and put it up top with bullets for Philip to read (or dodge)
Rachelle Munro: @ Sal, its a hard sell now that money is tight
barbarathelibrarian Magic: hates bots
Mimi Muircastle: good pt. @Marc
barbarathelibrarian Magic: seems deceitful
Kali Pizzaro: clinical simulation
AJ Brooks: bots rock!
AJ Brooks: we have a freud bot - he's awesome
Kali Pizzaro: they have there place
Marc Rexen: I hate bots too, but for a RP they can be wonderful.
Meredith Winslet: agreed Marc
Firery Broome: There are TONS of great projects here, they NEVER get covered in the news, ever.
Salamanca Congrejo: heh, heh. I've spoken with Mr. Freudbot
Graham Mills: Agreed
barbarathelibrarian Magic: confuses newbies...feel disillusioned
Kali Pizzaro: yes marc cut down lecturer time allow flexibility
AJ Brooks: nothing positive gets covered in the news
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: not all bots are campers, after all. I think barbara means those deadbeats :)
Logos Sohl: @ Marc re: . I don't feel bots have been fully leveraged for their situation Role Play capabilities yet. I do agree
Marc Rexen: They have never figured out how to gate newbies in.
Kali Pizzaro: if you script them tightly they can be useful
AJ Brooks: our freud bot is awesome
Rachelle Munro: @Fiery..maybe this group needs to highlight some of those great projects/compile list
Firery Broome: Only sex and weirdness and the downfall of SL gets any coverage
Marc Rexen: The one I hand tend and talk with, stick at a very high rate.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they fly a mile if you run them down in your fake car, and they never AR you :)
barbarathelibrarian Magic: •´¨*•.¸. Lo0oL :D .¸.•*¨`•
Cristina Florian: Gate me in.
Mimi Muircastle: gooooo iggy !
Kali Pizzaro: http://caledonianblogs.net/soh-secondlife/ have a look at our bots
Chantal Harvey: they should pay staff to be there at welcome island, and spend money on marketing, advertising
Zola Zsun: sex and weirdness get the most coverage in rl too :\
Kali Pizzaro: Marc for nurse education
Salamanca Congrejo: So the press needs a freudbot therapy session
barbarathelibrarian Magic: wants a bot for her office in rl
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wonder if Philip Rosedale could promise to continue some of the advantages educators have already--lower tier, etc.
Kali Pizzaro: so what do we want Philip to know 15 mins left
Mimi Muircastle: :) salamanca
Marc Rexen: I do a classic reference interview with them, try to gain a sense of what their desires are, and then recommend...seems to work...Lindens couldn't do that.
Eurominuteman Jameson: ERIC database has 13 hits for Education "Quality Management" Virtual: http://tinyurl.com/2e4gxrd
Firery Broome: @ Chantal, I totally agree with that, I have helped so many people at the new landing points when Ive gotten alts it is crazy
Chantal Harvey: yes
AJ Brooks: yes - what do we want to tell Philip -
Josain Zsun hopes the ed discounts continue
Chantal Harvey: i remember how scared i was as a noob, of vampires
Marc Rexen: That profit isn't everything. Anshe and I agreed that they should try an experiment of 200+ AV sims.
Kali Pizzaro: 37 on the sim
AJ Brooks: if you could tell him ONE thing - one reasonable sentence length thing, what would it be
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Dear philip, i wanted to write my dissertation on SL...will it still be here in 4 years?
AJ Brooks: good
AJ Brooks: who else
Marc Rexen: Current servers are 16 sims/server...drop that down to 1 or 2 and see what happens.
Kali Pizzaro: promote Sl for education
Graham Mills: Allow alternative search engines to plug into the viewer
Salamanca Congrejo: Comply with Section 508
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We need to tell Philip that an edu continent would be a great idea. We'd build critical mass someplace that looks like a world, not a cluster of islands.
Kali Pizzaro: yes graham
Eurominuteman Jameson: he should re-install the previous CEO again, and continue the restructure
AJ Brooks: all great - what else
Olivia Hotshot: LL needs to better serve the existing, dedicated user base. The focus on new residents, LL homes, etc - why not pay attention to those who are here. Why not make Group functions easier for example - so educators can communicate to large groups?
Mimi Muircastle: 2nd that iggy
Meredith Winslet: @Iggy -- agreed
Zola Zsun: ooo yeah
Zola Zsun: and ed continent
Zola Zsun: :)
Mimi Muircastle: and 2nd @olivia
AJ Brooks: its far cheaper to keep a customer than get a new one
Kali Pizzaro: yes Olivia
Chantal Harvey: he shouldnt look back, but to the future, and get a great CEO for LL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "Edutopia" is copyrighted, so how about "Eggheadland"?
Chantal Harvey: sl needs change
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Kali and education promotes SL - not just inducting people to SL, but giving talks andf demos outside SL
Rachelle Munro: Serve your Educators before we leave for other VWs
Graham Mills: What's the benefit of an education continent?
AJ Brooks: eggheadland!!!!!!!
Marc Rexen: I believe Educators need to focus on a couple of areas that really work...this would be where one might ask for technical help, even from LL.
Josain Zsun likes Ed. Continent
Sheila Yoshikawa: we are "unpaid marketers" from that perspective
Kali Pizzaro: yes Sheila
Eurominuteman Jameson: i see that my comments in facebook were censored
Mimi Muircastle: keep the sense of wonder and magic and honor creativity - return to a true your world your imagination
Sheila Yoshikawa: and one who are selling the "positive side" of SL
Firery Broome: There are educational continents. Scilands, NMC and then a bunch packed together
Firery Broome: unconnected
Josain Zsun: we are paying marketers
Eurominuteman Jameson: please reverse that
Chantal Harvey: philip could give artists the same benefits as educators?
Cristina Florian: Mark what areas really work for you?
Marc Rexen: Role Play.
Graham Mills: @Firery -- exactly
Firery Broome: YES Chantal!!!!
Mimi Muircastle: artists are educators :)
AJ Brooks: @Euro - where were the censored?
Cristina Florian: here Mark?
Kali Pizzaro: educational simulation
Marc Rexen: Projects like the WWI Digital Archives are rare, but also work.
Eurominuteman Jameson: in FB
Salamanca Congrejo: You can have kids come in without worrying about Inappropriate material - re continent benefits - that's one
Chantal Harvey: and trow out that machinima tos, lol
AJ Brooks: who's facebook?
Mimi Muircastle: censored during SL7B, right?
Cristina Florian: Mark is there a link
Cristina Florian: ?
Marc Rexen: Supporting RP seems a key. Make it easy to create an educational bot and have a website to load responses.
Eurominuteman Jameson: i cant open the list of comments i made, its censored
Chantal Harvey: why do we think that kids mind nakedness?
Firery Broome: Yes well some of that censoring was a joke really.
Kali Pizzaro: working on it Marc
Eurominuteman Jameson: pleaes reverse this
AJ Brooks: where did you make those comments, on who's facebook page?
Salamanca Congrejo: You're, kidding, right Euro?
Mimi Muircastle: kids don't mind their parents do :)
Eurominuteman Jameson: no kidding its live now
Logos Sohl: Philip, you know what our issues are, you have other fish to fry but try to address some of these because educators are growing tired of pleading with deaf ears.
AJ Brooks: Facebook is pretty big -
Chantal Harvey: ya mimi
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: why do educators think they should be treated differently than anyone else? I am just curious.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: RP can be great in edu builds that are immersive, but most RP in SL ain't educational
Chantal Harvey: musea are full of nakedness
Salamanca Congrejo: It's the adults who worry about it when kids are involved
Zola Zsun: good point cleo :)
Kali Pizzaro: Because they are usually paying £25,000 pounds a year
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cleopatra, we are poorer than many consumers, bound by more rules, and here for edification as well as pleasure.
Louise Later: Because Second Life® offers communication and the end of isolation, making the standard SL accessible should be a top priority; specifically, there should be keyboard access to everything. That would make SL 508 compliant
Eurominuteman Jameson: i'm talking about this event announcement in FB, my 24 comments
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: it wasnt a point ZZ it was a question..
Marc Rexen: Philip has to bring back the security of making this a place to experiment with desires and wants, and not a cold-hearted business.
Mimi Muircastle: yes, louise, the sense of community for so many is extremely important
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Educators still have ethos and bring respect to a project. Even in our wrecked and stupid US society.
AJ Brooks: I've not censored a think in Facebook
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: and people with disabilities across the board matter LL not just the ones in education
Eurominuteman Jameson: please reverse this... point
Kali Pizzaro: neither have I
AJ Brooks: Kali and I are the only two who have access to that, so I have no idea what you are talking about
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I cannot speak for my international colleagues, but that's my perspective. We represent a different standard of value than the almighty dollar
Eurominuteman Jameson: if i click on View all 24 comments, they dont appear
Salamanca Congrejo: Exactly, Louise. They already put keyboard nav in for a lot of stuff, but didn't go the simple step further of adding alt tags to them
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: LOL... poorer.. :)) come on!!
Kali Pizzaro: mmmm
Eurominuteman Jameson: it worked before
AJ Brooks: I've never censored anybody from things posted to the group or event. I would only do that if something was offensive, like derogatory slurs and stuff
Olivia Hotshot: must not live in cali
Firery Broome: Heres a question. What creates the sense of community for you??
AJ Brooks: You are talking about the event page for this meeting?
Mimi Muircastle: :) @olivia
Salamanca Congrejo: I can navigate all around the interface with the keyboard, but I have no idea where I am (if I can't see)
Graham Mills: People like you, Olivia :)
Kali Pizzaro: good point Salamca
Eurominuteman Jameson: View all 24 comments
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CLEOPATRA Xigalia: but LL isnt the gov't and taxpayers don't foot the bill for Linden Lab.. why don't you get grants to pay for it! thats the american way.
Salamanca Congrejo: But that was Viewer 1 -
Logos Sohl: Sense of community: common purpose, regular participation and/or events, shared identity on some level or having something in common to work for
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Olivia Hotshot: @Graham - yupper - furloughs just ended last week. now we go to layoffs.
Marc Rexen: People having fun together, bet it talking, building, listening to music, etc...it's like a movie on TV...always nicer when you know there are millions also laughing...even better in the theatre.
Eurominuteman Jameson: 24 comments doesnt open
Mimi Muircastle: communities make all people feel welcome and important
Eurominuteman Jameson: it worked before
Olivia Hotshot: Euro - we cannot handle FB user issues here.
Graham Mills: @Olivia -- it's going to be bumpy all round :(
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cleo, I'll let it drop. You win. Happy now?
Kali Pizzaro: i just want a platform which i can use when i want and is stable
Eurominuteman Jameson: you will later
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i dont want to win i was curious
barbarathelibrarian Magic: and for some educators, online learning is a good option for both student and professor.
Olivia Hotshot: absolutely @Graham.
Salamanca Congrejo: people who come together regularly for a common purpose and benefit
AJ Brooks: @Euro - these comments were made on the event page for THIS meeting?
Eurominuteman Jameson: yes
Josain Zsun: @CLEO As a teacher, I'm now making ~1/3 what I was in the real world 7 years ago…and faced with salary reduction, reduced leave, furloughs and larger class sizes in the coming school year
barbarathelibrarian Magic: even better for the environment...no commuting!
Eurominuteman Jameson: i just gave you an excerpt
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: American is a plutocracy. Education offers a healthy and needed critque. I'm done.
Marc Rexen: Educators will have to unwrap from many social medias over the next couple of years...let's hope SL isn't one of them.
Sheila Yoshikawa: also not all of us are in America
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: lol
Mimi Muircastle: unwrap, Marc?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: lucky you, Sheila.
AJ Brooks: I have no idea what that is happening, nobody on our end took anything out
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: real world is right , you had to work a lot harder there..
Marc Rexen: Yes, we'll have to bail from Facebook and likely iTunes.
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: with no protection
Logos Sohl: I don't think we need to start flaming over american versus european modus operandi do we?
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Marc Rexen: Can't force students to turn their FB profile on for a prof and can't geo-locate students.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol no
Olivia Hotshot: when did this turn into slamming educators?
Kali Pizzaro: ok so 5 mins left folks
Graham Mills: lol, nope
AJ Brooks: When cleo showed up
Marc Rexen: This personalization of the social media seems how money is to be made.
Eurominuteman Jameson: 24 comments dont open, i tried another viewer
Marc Rexen: Once again, Educators will be edged out.
Eurominuteman Jameson: this was censored
Salamanca Congrejo: No - internationalization of the software is a relevant topic though.
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: maybe you should Lobby the us gov't for grants for using sl .. Linden labs shouldnt have to foot the bill, its not their place in my opinion.
AJ Brooks: Well - not by anyone on our end
Graham Mills: Edged out of what, Marc?
Marc Rexen: The Army set of sims are huge.
Marc Rexen: Leave, not use, cannot use.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Salamanca, the client is not very good for non Roman alphabet, true. So how else can LL internationalize the product?
Louise Later: Govt grants implies that Second Life® meets 508 standards
Salamanca Congrejo: Shouldn't have to foot the bill for what, Cleo?
Eurominuteman Jameson: first comes transparency, integrity, accountability, then comes grants
Marc Rexen: You cannot force a student, who only gets one FB account, to friend a prof.
Olivia Hotshot: Well everyone, i am off to another meeting. Thanks again for some inspiring conversation.
barbarathelibrarian Magic: i want to thank you all for being here because this is the best conversation I have had all week!
Eurominuteman Jameson: no censoring
Cristina Florian: @aj Summarise please. So I can write a post about this meeting.
Marc Rexen: You cannot force a student to use iTunes if it geo-locates them.
Chantal Harvey: ;-)
Marc Rexen: The list is likely to grow.
Olivia Hotshot: Cristina - there will be a transcript sent out
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cleo, I'm at a private uni with a huge endowment. We pay our own way as a nonprofit.
Cristina Florian: thanks
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers all great conversation
Kali Pizzaro: good debate
Chantal Harvey: ya thanks
AJ Brooks: @Cristina, this is a public meeting - you are welcome to write about it if you'd like
AJ Brooks: although we do produce transcripts each week
Cristina Florian: Thanks
Zola Zsun: :)
Olivia Hotshot adjusts my kevlar educator vest and scampers to the next meeting.
AJ Brooks: http://www.vwer.org
Sheila Yoshikawa: LL could stop changing the time by an hour in spring andf autumn, thus annoying the majority of people who change to summertime on a different date (or not at all)
Meredith Winslet: TY -- Intriguing as usual.
Salamanca Congrejo: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: seriously, we don't censor a word. I only fix spelling.
Graham Mills: Take care, Olivia :)
Zola Zsun: Bye :)
Sheila Yoshikawa: just to get in a perennial international gripe
Marc Rexen: Logins issue kept many of us away the first half hour.
Mimi Muircastle: see you Olivia
Logos Sohl: Nice to be here folks, fascinating as always
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Olivia
Chantal Harvey: ty for the invite
Marc Rexen: English, American, Canadian, or Aussie spelling. :)
Cristina Florian: Loved it. Thanks everyone.
Firery Broome: by all, see you next week.
Eurominuteman Jameson: i have PDFs of the censored situation
Graham Mills: Great, Cristina :)
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks all
Graham Mills: Cheers, Firery
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will squeeze down the big URLs and make sure they still work.
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye everyone. Great meeting.
Cristina Florian: My first sl meeting. LOL Cool.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: be sure to come back, Cristina! This was a lively one
Salamanca Congrejo: It's like you're really there, isn't it, Cristina?
Milena McWinnie: I loved the session. It was the first one I took part in.I really liked it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Milena
Cristina Florian: yes
AJ Brooks: we're here each week
Marc Rexen: Ty AJ. :)
Sheila Yoshikawa: great
AJ Brooks: come on back, we always have a good conversation
Milena McWinnie: Thank you all!
Sam55 Chester: Thx everyone. I learn a lot from you all.
Milena McWinnie: It was nice to listen to you all:)
Kali Pizzaro: we are nice folk really hehe
Cristina Florian: I will.
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Aj...is there a group where you can read this transcript or do we need to copy it ourselves
Milena McWinnie: Bye
Milena McWinnie: :D
JeanClaude Vollmar: Bye everyone. See you all next week!
AJ Brooks: http://www.vwer.org
AJ Brooks: ack
Salamanca Congrejo: Unfortunately, Tuesday afternoons are usually bad for me. And Educators seem to love to hold events on Tuesdays. ;-D
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers HeanClaude
barbarathelibrarian Magic: Ooh... thanks!!
AJ Brooks: http://www.vwer.org
Milena McWinnie: C U!!
Mimi Muircastle: bye all - thanks AJ and Iggy
Salamanca Congrejo: Guess I might need to adjust my schedule.
AJ Brooks: use the second one - barbara
Louise Later: Yes, Thank you so much AJ and Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers all
barbarathelibrarian Magic: thanks so much
Graham Mills: Thanks all :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Louise, always a pleasure to have you join us
Louise Later: :))
Louise Later: I am so glad that the school year has ended
Cristina Florian: Thanks AJ.
Louise Later: I was without a computer this year
Louise Later: UGH!
Louise Later: No Second Life® between students
Louise Later: :)
Salamanca Congrejo: bummer
Eurominuteman Jameson: AJ received screenshots of the censored situation now
CLEOPATRA Xigalia: i am not able to tp
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It's a Kafka story
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for all eternity, we sit at the table and tussle
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my God my hands are glued to the computer!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd just log out and relog tomorrow. Goodnight all
Beyond Baroque waves and tries to tp
AJ Brooks: WE do not censor - period.
Salamanca Congrejo: By Beyond
Kali Pizzaro: you are trapped at VWER forever heheheheheh
Kali Pizzaro: wrings hands
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nope--all words go into the transcript
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nite all
Ginger Marseille: night Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you tomorrow, still stuck here...MUAHAHAH
Salamanca Congrejo: It's the hand of God - er - Philip