Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: June 1, 2010
Topic: UT System in SL. Special Guest Mario Guerra (SL: Luigi Miles)
Photos by Grinn Pidgeon & Iggy. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: We will be using Voice Chat for this meeting. If you are having problems hearing, please IM Margaret Michalski (up front here) and she will help you.
AJ Brooks: There are also signs on the walls of the amphitheater. The most important thing is to keep your microphone muted.
AJ Brooks: Today is our Special 1st of the Month Meeting and our very special guest is Mario Guerra.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter as VWER.
AJ Brooks: #vwer
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but if you have a question for our guest, we will be using Google Moderator.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hah
AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a web based tool where you can go to add a question OR vote on questions that have already been asked.
AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I'll ask our guests in voice chat.
AJ Brooks: Please note, Mario and I will NOT be monitoring local chat, so if you'd like a question asked, please post it to Google Moderator (and also vote on the other questions that are there)
Birdie Newcomb: url?
AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also behind me above the Montclair State sign.
AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)
Fleep Tuque: Click the sign at the top there
Fleep Tuque: it will take you to the google moderator page
Fleep Tuque: it will depend on your google account
AJ Brooks: Through this site http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44 you will ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.
AJ Brooks: As most of you know, my name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
AJ Brooks: Our special guest today is Mario Guerra, known in SL as Luigi Miles.
AJ Brooks: Hi Mario, thanks so much for joining us.
Aphilo Aarde: Virtual World Round Table Transcripts are also here at World University and School - like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware and UC Berkeley webcasts, and what you teach - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Resources#Second_Life_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ spends too much time in Brazil :D
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: had a great chance to chat a few days ago with Mario
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: wants to start with basics
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Iggy bad typist will mess up AJ, hobbs will do a wonderful job with Mario
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: tell us about who you are and what you do
hobbs Constantine: Luigi (Mario): works at U of T, Austin
hobbs Constantine: works with instructional tech use on campus as main job
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions or vote for those that are already there at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: Tech is SL, Bb, other tech that instructors like, learn, intergrate
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: the project made a big splash
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: everyone was talking about it a year ago
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: tell us about what the project was and how it got started
hobbs Constantine: Mario: started with transform undergrad ed grant
Fleep Tuque: Bless her heart, miss her
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Dr. Leslie Garmin (sp) as team lead
Rachelle Munro: Miss her!
Aphilo Aarde: What's the URL for this project at the University of Texas?
hobbs Constantine: Vice chancellor was excited RE SL opportunities
hobbs Constantine: Criteria for grant, enrich learning, lower cost, must include all (15) campus
hobbs Constantine: plus UT System
hobbs Constantine: and must support NEW collaboration
Thursday Xu: Leslie Jarmon is Bluewave Ogee in SL
toBe Destiny: i would like to see the shift from talking about SL to talking about immersive Worlds (iVW)
toBe Destiny: like
hobbs Constantine: Proposal submitted: built instructional learning experiences in SL
AJ Brooks: lost my sound - one sec
Gwenette Writer: yes
Gwenette Writer: @toBe
hobbs Constantine: Funding started in July after grant accepted
toBe Destiny: _/\_, yes ty
hobbs Constantine: other grants were accepted, the whole idea was really top-down
toBe Destiny: top down implementation program
AJ Brooks: keep talking while I troubleshoot :)
Gwenette Writer: so financial support for faculty time: VERY helpful:)
hobbs Constantine: Each campus Prez found Campus Leads, they met 2x a month
toBe Destiny: the maturing platforms are also helpful
Kerri Macchi: indeed
hobbs Constantine: They met, help each other with problems
toBe Destiny: better viewers, for example
hobbs Constantine: One RL meeting was in August before land was purchased
hobbs Constantine: Some campus leads did not have any SL experience, but they knew about tech
hobbs Constantine: Islands purchased in Sept
AJ Brooks: i'm back
hobbs Constantine: 3 islands for each UT campus system
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 49 islands!!!
hobbs Constantine: UT campus received 4 islands...now an archipelago
hobbs Constantine: (sp)
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions, and vote for the others 4-5 questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
toBe Destiny: has there been a study as to what it would take to move the work completed into the Open Sim grids
hobbs Constantine: Mario: enthusiasm helped get the project started
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Leslie's loss is a great loss to all of us
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: had you gotten to the reason that this is the first and last year for the project?
toBe Destiny: it seems to me that there could be some technical discussions
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Grant was only 1 year so this was the first and last year of this
IzzyLander Karu was talking to a faculty from Michigan about Dr. Jarmon 28 minutes before she passed away
IzzyLander Karu: we were shocked...
hobbs Constantine: Mario: the $ paid for the land and a few grad student helpers
toBe Destiny: so that we as audiences here might be able to see through the personalities involved, and start to talk about what is really advancing, and what is not
hobbs Constantine: Mario: the team was able to help other teams on other campus
Aphilo Aarde: http://www.metanomics.net/show/campus_life_virtual_world_systems_for_education/ - is a reference
hobbs Constantine: Mario: it is now up to each campus to see if they will renew, at least 1 or 2 may definitely renew
Graham Mills: That's great news
Jarrad Voom: that is great news
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: cool--most will be renewing 1 or 2 islands...
toBe Destiny: it seems that almost all of this discussion is about procedure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL no different in VA, dude
Jarrad Voom: Funding for education is always at a premium.
Aphilo Aarde: (The above talks is Dr. Leslie Jarmon, Faculty Development Specialist and Senior Lecturer at the University of Texas at Austin and discussed the creation of a statewide extension of classes and education into Second Life on October 21st 2009 at 12:00 p.m. Pacific Standard Time (PST).)
Gwenette Writer: whiop needs learning hahahaha train kids in one skill and turn em out to the factories . .sadsadsad
Gwenette Writer: like typing ahha
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: notes edu cuts in NJ, asks where funding is in Texas
toBe Destiny: waves....
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions, and vote for the others 4-5 questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: Mario: I couldn't comment on Texas funding, this is the only grant for a project like this
Aphilo Aarde: And here's the actual transcript:
Aphilo Aarde: http://www.slideshare.net/WeAreRemedy/oct2109-metanomics-transcript
hobbs Constantine: Mario: this was our hope-- will this foundation survive past one year
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Are we actually saving UT money-- and hence will there be more $ to pay for this virtual infrastructure
hobbs Constantine: Mario: in data collection stage to write report now
hobbs Constantine: Mario: A Virtual learning community can now move forward as a SYSTEM as opposed to individuals
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: second step to his question
toBe Destiny: so why is there not a open discussion about the positive and negitives about SL verses the Open Sim grid
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Let's say you wanted to do something on a local level, how tough would it be to get funding?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: my point is that you are echoing something others are seeing at their schools, yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: most of the schools are going to renew.
Fleep Tuque: Well, it IS a lot of money, but in the context of other services that at least my university pays for, it's pretty darned inexpensive
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: this says an awful lot about how the project was set up, its continued leadership, and the team involved
Rachelle Munro: 5% cuts for Texas public university budgets
Fleep Tuque: I figure our Second Life project can run for a year at about the cost of our Blackboard project for like a week.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: notes that Mario was not so optimistic about it all even a few days ago
You decline Caledon Oxbridge Lecture Hall, Caledon Oxbridge (76, 140, 29) from A group member named Charlie Navarathna.
Profdan Netizen: Especially compared to LMS, like BB or Angel, Fleep.
Fleep Tuque: nod yes
hobbs Constantine: Mario: It is exciting to see the enthusiasm
Dagmar Kojishi: True, Fleep, but getting admins to see it that way can be a challenge.
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions, and vote for the others 4-5 questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: The continuance is a testament to the whole project
Fleep Tuque: We spend HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars on other central systems
hobbs Constantine: Mario: It was a year for people to get their feet wet
Fleep Tuque: A few thousand, even with staff time, is still pretty inexpensive.
hobbs Constantine: Mario: to collaborate, to build across campuses
hobbs Constantine: Mario: hopes that there will be some new projects next year, this year's projects being written up now
Gwenette Writer: 1800us is less than an average rl uni classroom costs per year to temperature control and clean . . I use that comparison often . . .
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: tell us a little about the project management of this initiative. How each institution was managed, how it changed, etc.
hobbs Constantine: Mario: 16 campus leads met in RL and then met biweekly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: gently persuaded?? :)
hobbs Constantine: Mario: some campuses were slower on getting accounts and meeting, then meetings become bimonthly
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Campus Leads preached to faculty and colleagues about positives of SL
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Each campus was given mission of going to islands and getting into HOW to use these spaces
Aphilo Aarde: As http://worlduniversity.wikia.com's developer, what lessons did the University of Texas' digital learning project take from MIT Open Course Ware's approach content-wise? http://scottmacleod.com
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Broke the state into 5 regions, did some training at each region Train the Trainer type thing
AJ Brooks: questions will be addressed via the Google Moderator
hobbs Constantine: Mario: did SL demos to show the benefits of SL, learn about SL, learn about grant, learn about top-down
Aphilo Aarde: (I've added it there, as well).
hobbs Constantine: Mario: also talked about how to save money
hobbs Constantine: Mario: training after that was in SL
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions, and vote for the other dozen or so questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Campus leads had to send in data: what is working, what is not, what can we (central) do to help?
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Campus Leads prepare and send in 6 month and year data reports
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Campus leads had other jobs...this was an add-on
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Some Campus leads actually helped other (different) campus, loaned land. Core group learned together.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: sounds amazing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: notes that getting everyone on the same page on one campus is hard enough...on 16 campuses moreso!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: tell us more about one or two projects that stood out for you
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Sure, project that stood out, highlight benefits of SL: Design instructor at UT Austin, and Marine Science instructor (3 hours from Austin)....
hobbs Constantine: Marine Science instructor introduced to SL to replace video link tech that was buggy.
hobbs Constantine: Mario: maybe these two could work together?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 42 on the sim, for the record
hobbs Constantine: Mario: The result was an underwater classroom and a research vessel that could test water, get data
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Design students created these sources FOR the Marine science students
hobbs Constantine: Mario: it works, it's 1.0 version but it IS being used
hobbs Constantine: Mario: it is a great example of collaboration because otherwise these instructors/students would NOT have worked together normally
Kerri Macchi: fantastic
hobbs Constantine: Mario: some students have asked to continue to help...
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions, and vote for the dozen or so other questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
AJ Brooks: questions are being added all the time, so be sure to check back and vote for your favorites
Fleep Tuque: yeah seem to have lost voice
Fleep Tuque: Don't hear you
AJ Brooks: mario - lost voice
Fleep Tuque: nod
Dagmar Kojishi: I hear you, AJ.
Composite Maven: silence
Ignatius Onomatopoeia rests fingers
Rachelle Munro: may have to have mario relog
Fleep Tuque: laugh
Fleep Tuque: :)
Fleep Tuque: hahaha
Fleep Tuque: It wasn't that bad. :)
Fleep Tuque: Second Life Community Convention!
IzzyLander Karu: Ig, next time use a tag-team process
Fleep Tuque: ;)
Margaret Michalski: light round
Fleep Tuque: http://slconvention.org
Fleep Tuque: :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woot
Margaret Michalski: favorite locations I think
Fleep Tuque: Hehe, sure I'd love to
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Fleep, don't run
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: rub it in....orientation at UR :(
Fleep Tuque: Boston August 13-15th this year, we hope to have a great showing from the edu community. :)
Fleep Tuque: (I hope so!)
hobbs Constantine: /claps
Fleep Tuque: Yes
Fleep Tuque: In world too
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy can't be worse than writing dissertation.
Fleep Tuque: :)
Fleep Tuque: Boston and in Second Life
Fleep Tuque: More to come!
Fleep Tuque: http://slconvention.org
Aphilo Aarde: Have to leave ... thank you! http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University - free, open university and school - and here's a FREE Harvard, doctoral degree in education in 2011 and 2012 for 25 students is the first free degree at World University - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Courses#Free_Ph.D.s
Fleep Tuque: :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret...more boring than a diss for sure...meet the parents of new first years!
Luigi Miles: sorry about that
Luigi Miles: yep
hobbs Constantine: can hear, all good
Cilian McCullough: can we visit the UW Classroom?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Tell us about an upcoming function on your islands
hobbs Constantine: Mario: With end of grant, we are hosting undergrad conference June 17th
AJ Brooks: Please vote for the dozen or so other questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see that.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: what does a panel on "manage your virtual identity" mean?
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Gwenette Writer: Craaaaaashorama
hobbs Constantine: Mario: There will be opportunity to view these spaces
Luigi Miles: mariog@austin.utexas.edu
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: missed AJ's Q...system is locking up :(
hobbs Constantine: Mario: he can make connections for field trips if we want
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes please!
Profdan Netizen: That would be cool.
hobbs Constantine: Hobbs says yes
Luigi Miles: http://www.tuelearningcommunity.com/uc2010/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: it would be good to tour the UT system as a field trip
Dagmar Kojishi: Would love to take part in that.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: VWER will definitely take up Mario's offer for a tour
hobbs Constantine: Mario: this was the conference URL
hobbs Constantine: Mario: please visit June 17th
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Afternoon is for undergrads mostly...maybe give extra credit to your students to attend
Profdan Netizen: I would bring students in a fall semester conference!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: time to look at some of the questions
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Dagmar asks "what has really made the difference in getting people involved in using the islands?"
Dagmar Kojishi: [blush]
hobbs Constantine: Mario: It has to do with Campus Lead and how knowledgeable they are
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Leads needed to get up to speed and know the tools
AJ Brooks: Please vote for the dozen or so other questions that are already there, by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Fleep Tuque: I think that's fairly unusual
Fleep Tuque: Most SL projects I know start from the ground up
Fleep Tuque: rather than the other way around
Fleep Tuque: I'm rather jealous. ;)
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Because it came from the top down, that had a lot to do with it, top-level buy-in
Dagmar Kojishi: Yes. Our institutions tend to resist the top-down stuff. lol.
hobbs Constantine: Mario: more folks "looked into it" because of this
Graham Mills: I think they got it going both ways in some places
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Margaret asks "Did any of the campus not want to participate? If so, how'd you deal with it?"
hobbs Constantine: Mario: All leads met in Austin, all campus leads ordered the islands (UT system paid), one campus did not participate
hobbs Constantine: Mario: they were not forced as part of grant, but really the campus needed to see the benefit and use of it to go with it
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Only 1 campus, 3 islands not used all year long
Zotarah Shepherd: It is sad that they didn't use the islands.
IzzyLander Karu: Mario, the one that did not participate, did it have it's own SL presence?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: system in place was brilliant management
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Margaret asks, "Have you received feedback from the students themselves?"
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Students were surveyed pre and post, mixed responses per student
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Students in Design class STILL ASKING TO HELP a year later, other students are like "why are we doing this"?
hobbs Constantine: Mario: wide spectrum of students , activities mattered, these students may/will be at conference
hobbs Constantine: Mario: students are asking for building jobs in SL (as Marine Science Students)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: isn't a mixed response true for any tool?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Grinn wants to know what a very small institution can take away from the UT effort
hobbs Constantine: Mario: It's about building that foundation -- that core group of faculty and then have THEM preach the word
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Rather than approach all, have the faculty that ARE using it help others
hobbs Constantine: Mario: thinks this UT system could grow and include smaller institituions where we can all learn together
hobbs Constantine: Mario: We might need to open our doors to see where this virtual learning community grows
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Iggy (that wag) asks how UT will measure success at year's end. Birdie asks about saving of money?
Luigi Miles: http://tuelearningcommunity.com/vlci/?page_id=19
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: correction: how to measure savings of money.
hobbs Constantine: Mario: these 11 objectives is how this grant will be measured
hobbs Constantine: (at the link)
AJ Brooks: Please vote for the remaining questions by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: Mario: measuring cost savings varies across campus: ie. virtual field trips to Sistine Chapel, did you bring in a guest speaker,
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL. I'm trying to get money to take 3 or 3 students to Istanbul....impossible!
hobbs Constantine: What does that travel savings represent
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 2 or 3
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Austin an incredible city
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Yay Austin
Dagmar Kojishi: Love Austin. Missed attending NISOD last few years.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: was considering UT Austin for his masters--b/c of good writing program
Ignatius Onomatopoeia envisions AJ in cowboy hat, eating brisket
AJ Brooks: @Iggy - LOL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Elle asks about the sort of activities provided to students and faculty to spur interest in SL
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Each campus is different, maybe 3-4 demos, training for faculty and graduate student instructors: Benefits, what you can do
hobbs Constantine: Then do a hands on demo
hobbs Constantine: This is about learning as a GROUP, not quite like Orientation Island
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Any leads feed into Mario and he sends back out to Campus Leads
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Once faculty gets the idea (aligns with learning, NOT just a cool factor) then larger training for Undergrad students
Profdan Netizen: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: one more Q
Elle Mexicola: Thanks, Mario! great information!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: okay, two
Casey Daines: Great job, Mario! I've got to head out. You've represented the project well and Leslie would be proud!
AJ Brooks: Please vote for the remaining questions by going to http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: Mario: will respond to other Google Moderator Questions later IGGY INSERT Q &A HERE
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Birdie asks if UT is looking at other virtual worlds for the campuses. AJ wants to know if they considered OpenSim on their own. Now, looking back, will they encourage that discussion or have it?
hobbs Constantine: Mario: Yes, we are looking into other VW at UT Austin
hobbs Constantine: Mario: SL provided the most affordances, did not close this off, to leave open the possibility of making connections across classrooms and the world
hobbs Constantine: Mario: We want to allow our faculty to research and reach out
hobbs Constantine: Mario: There are some great attributes to other VW, but for right now, SL is a good fit, but that does not preclude other options
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: knew that he'd enjoy this chat
Margaret Michalski: thank you?
Fleep Tuque: Yes great stuff
Margaret Michalski: thanks you!
Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: many thanks!
Rachelle Munro: thanks, Mario...waving from UT-Tyler :)
Grinn Pidgeon: very useful and generous
Zotarah Shepherd: It would be good to get updates on the progress of the UT system in SL.
Marnie Mehler: Thank you!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: a year ago, he realized the enormity of having an entire system come together, and that Mario had large shoes to fill.
Elle Mexicola: Thank you Mario and AJ!! Aloha, Elle from University of Hawaii
mday Bing: Thanks!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ: Mario and his colleagues to be congratulated.
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Mario and AJ
Profdan Netizen: Field trip, yeah!
Elle Mexicola: Yes, field trip please!!
Fleep Tuque: laugh yes
Fleep Tuque APPLAUDS!!!
Margaret Michalski: bye
Fleep Tuque: Great show!
Margaret Michalski: thanks AJ
Zotarah Shepherd claps
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good night all...off to dinner
Fleep Tuque: Thanks all, and to our captioners!