Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: May 18, 2010
Topic: Reading Meeting on "The Learning Gains and Student Perceptions of a Second Life Virtual Lab," by Cobb, Stephanie; Heaney, Rose; Corcoran, Olivia; Henderson-Begg, Stephanie.
Article Link: http://roar.uel.ac.uk/jspui/handle/10552/421
Photos by Iggy. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
hobbs Constantine: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
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hobbs Constantine: Today is the Reading Meeting and our very special guest is Rose Heaney/Maisy Carter.
hobbs Constantine: Our article is The Learning Gains and Student Perceptions of a Second Life Virtual Lab.
hobbs Constantine: This paper was published by the Centre for Bioscience, the Higher Education Academy in 2009.
hobbs Constantine: It is linked here: http://bit.ly/aiRf43
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hobbs Constantine: My name is Heather Dodds. For my day job, I am a Course Mentor in Natural Sciences at Western Governors University. I am a doctoral learner at Capella Univerisity where I am studying science education in virtual worlds.
hobbs Constantine: I will let Maisy introduce herself in a moment.
hobbs Constantine: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, except for our guests, everyone else go ahead and type into local chat now
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught four courses with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher. This simulation debuted in the 2009-2010 academic year.
Del Hapmouche: John Gustafson, University of Maryland University College faculty
Profdan Netizen: I'm Dan Holt, professor at Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI. I teach writing, both first year comp. and creative writing.
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, finally has a free Tesday night
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn mcElhinney Nurse lecturer Glasgow Caledonian University
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State Chico, educator and techie, member of the VWER planning committee as well as working on CLIVE and CLIVE island here in sl
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Firery Broome: University of Delaware
Viv Trafalgar: Viv Trafalgar, educator, occasionally at an accredited school, immersive games developer for Rezzable, I do dishes.
Maisy Carter: university of east london
Graham Mills: Peter Miller, University of Liverpool
Mimi Muircastle: mimi, lifelong educator :)
Logos Sohl: Niamh O Riordan, PhD student investigating virtual worlds, based in Ireland
IzzyLander Karu: Texas A&M-Crprus Christ
Nafisa Moleno: I'm from Langara College in Vancouver, Canada
hobbs Constantine: Welcome all...keep your introductions coming
Iver Northolt: University of East London, Director of Medicines Research Group and Programme Leader Forensic Science
hobbs Constantine: anymore?
Teach Bookmite: Mercer University, Macon GA
hobbs Constantine: Going once
Iver Northolt: and quite possily the slowest typist here, lol
hobbs Constantine: lol
hobbs Constantine: going twice
Schott TopHat: University of Missouri-St. Louis, I teach composition and rhetoric and am a phd student studying technology and learning
Kali Pizzaro: join us at the table folks
hobbs Constantine: Sold to all who appreciate obscure Lit References
hobbs Constantine: I see our guests are here.
Kali Pizzaro: 23 for the transcripts
hobbs Constantine: Before we start, Olivia has asked for our attention
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you hobbs
Olivia Hotshot: Last week we did a short activity where we brainstormed for free resources in sl
Olivia Hotshot: i created 2 objects for all of you with those contributions
Olivia Hotshot: will explain
Olivia Hotshot: the one over the table contains a giver - copy - so you can give to others or rezz on your property for others
Olivia Hotshot: the one behind us by the Montclair sign actually will give you a folder of all the notecards written last week.
Viv Trafalgar: nice, Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: so - if you alone want the contents, use the one behind the table, if you want to share it take the giver - OR both
Del Hapmouche: Thank you
Kali Pizzaro: great resources
hobbs Constantine: freebies!! nom nom nom
Graham Mills: thx, Olivia
IzzyLander Karu: that's awesome Olivia.
Olivia Hotshot: the cover art is explained in a notecard in the folder
hobbs Constantine: Thank you Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: but essentially it is a word cloud created from our transcript last week
Olivia Hotshot: ok done and ty Hobbs.
Logos Sohl: that's a great idea Olivia :)
Mimi Muircastle: thanks Olivia! I loved the exercise - good job
Logos Sohl: yes, it was great
Olivia Hotshot: i could give this in a notice if people think i should
hobbs Constantine: Oure guests are Maisy and Iver...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tons of good resources
Maisy Carter: hi
Olivia Hotshot sits quietly while Hobbs does her magic
Iver Northolt: hello
Del Hapmouche: Hi
hobbs Constantine: Maisy would you like to tell us about your role in this research?
Maisy Carter: ok
Maisy Carter: I am the learning technologist who liaised with SL developer and the academic to create the activities. I also ran orientation sessions for the students who were given access to SL before carrying out the lab experiments in the real/physical lab.
hobbs Constantine: OK, and Iver would you like to explain your role?
Iver Northolt: I am the RL chemist who checked the protocol from student perspective for accuracy
hobbs Constantine: Excellent.
Iver Northolt: sadly for us our colleagues Steph is on vacation at the mo
hobbs Constantine: My questions are really for both of you, so feel free to both type responses
Iver Northolt: keydoke
hobbs Constantine: although one of you might have more perspective
hobbs Constantine: Please provide a quick summary of your research. Everyone here should have already read the paper (ahem).
Maisy Carter: This study examined students’ reactions to the virtual biosciences laboratory developed in Second Life® (SL) at the University of East London. Third & final year undergraduates (level 3) and masters students (level 4) studying biotechnology took part in a trial of a virtual Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) experiment in Second Life and evaluated their experience by anonymous questionnaire. Learning gains were measured at various points during the study using pre- and post-tests, and interaction with demon
hobbs Constantine: http://bit.ly/aiRf43
Logos Sohl: with demonstrators was monitored and compared during the real life (RL) practical. Both groups showed a significant increase in learning gain over the pre- and post-tests, although no difference in gains between the two groups was detected. However, students who conducted the PCR experiment in SL required significantly less demonstrator assistance during the subsequent RL practical.
hobbs Constantine: Interactinon with a demon?
hobbs Constantine: lol
Logos Sohl: The SL practical was well received by students, with 92% of participants reporting that they would like to use the system again and many requesting other experiments to be made available in this manner in the future.
hobbs Constantine: thanks....there was more coming
Maisy Carter: Both groups showed a significant increase in learning gain over the pre- and post-tests, although no difference in gains between the two groups was detected. However, students who conducted the PCR experiment in SL required significantly less demonstrator assistance during the subsequent RL practical. The SL practical was well received by students, with 92% of participants reporting that they would like to use the system again.
Maisy Carter: demon = demonstrator
Iver Northolt: the demon was not me. HARH HAR
hobbs Constantine: So for American audiences these were juniors/seniors?
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Iver Northolt: final year and Masters
hobbs Constantine: ah
hobbs Constantine: Thank you
hobbs Constantine: How did you approach your admin to get approval for this project?
Iver Northolt: our Masters students are mostly overseas/Indian
Kali Pizzaro: Admin = bosses for the UK
Iver Northolt: they only have theoretical experience of labs as first degrees
Iver Northolt: so desperate for practical experience
hobbs Constantine: @Iver: so they learned about PCR but did not do it?
Iver Northolt: there were 2 groups. Everyone had lecture materials.
Maisy Carter: re: admin question - We got university ethics approval for collecting survey and test data, all of which was anonymised.
hobbs Constantine: @Iver-- sorry, I'll clarify, I meant BEFORE the SL research, no hands on with PCE?
hobbs Constantine: PCR?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was amused by how the latecomers missed out on SL--very clever use of it as a reward!
Iver Northolt: to clarify, both groups DID PCR in the lab
Iver Northolt: perhaps influenced results however
hobbs Constantine: Thank you Iver
IzzyLander Karu: Polymerase Chain Reaction = PCR
Iver Northolt: those engaged (as measured by prompt attendance) are always engaged?
hobbs Constantine: Oops I was in code wasn't I? ty Izzy
Kali Pizzaro: or maybe they missed the bus that day
Iver Northolt: CORRECT - none of them had practically carried out PCR
Marc Rexen: Having done tons of lab experiments, including PCR, I can easily see how the tractable reality of SL would aid in remembering the sequence of steps.
IzzyLander Karu: :)
Iver Northolt: look up PCR song on Youtube for hoots and giggles...
hobbs Constantine: So you only had to approach Institutional Review to get approval?
Maisy Carter: yes
hobbs Constantine: I'm asking that there were no other hoops to jump through?
hobbs Constantine: ha
hobbs Constantine: ah
Maisy Carter: it was part of standard teaching session
hobbs Constantine: nice
hobbs Constantine: How did you form your research question? What were your influences to test learning gains?
Iver Northolt: Thanks Marc for comments
Maisy Carter: Speaking for Stephanie – she wanted to see if the use of SL as preparation was more or less effective than a demonstration of the experiment by a demonstrator in the lab. Learning gains in form of answers or series of test pre, mid & post were measured as indicator of this.
hobbs Constantine: OK
Maisy Carter: answers to
Kali Pizzaro: was this due to money and time issues
Iver Northolt: both yes
Iver Northolt: also many students just don't get it right and never find out why. As they only get one shot at it.
Kali Pizzaro: so make sure it was at least no worse
Kali Pizzaro: but hopefully better
hobbs Constantine: Do you remember any of the comments (related to learning) that students made while they were in SL?
Maisy Carter: hopefully better
Iver Northolt: there was feedback in the form of if they got the correct sequence they'd end up with the photo of what the gel result was
Maisy Carter: some struggled with SL, others less so
hobbs Constantine: That might be more for Iver
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: can you estimate how much you saved in consumables by using SL first?
hobbs Constantine: I mean comments in SL
Maisy Carter: @iver?
Iver Northolt: not so much saved in this exptal design (cos they all did it right?)
Maisy Carter: yes but hopefully fewer of them messed up in RL experiment
Kali Pizzaro: the ability to repeat is important in simulation
Iver Northolt: but the fact that more completed it correctly by the end of the session
Kali Pizzaro: to reduce errors in RL
Iver Northolt: Kali - agreed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I ask that b/c I could see it as a selling point for the simulation. Of course you have to factor in your time spent creating it :)
Kali Pizzaro: same For healthcare simulation
Maisy Carter: definitely - no dead patients
Kali Pizzaro: always helpful
Kali Pizzaro: we do try
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, there is that :)
hobbs Constantine: What are examples of “more organized” behaviors of the SL group in the real life lab?
Iver Northolt: what time - you mean it isnt magic?
Iver Northolt: ho ho
Maisy Carter: asking fewer questions, just getting on with it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Iver--only when our avis work for us when we log off
Maisy Carter: finishing more quickly
Iver Northolt: there is overlap with our Crime Scene house, we'd planned that the CSIs would recover DNA evidence and then run PCR !!
hobbs Constantine: excellent....visual examples
IzzyLander Karu: the savings might not be apparent over the short term, but in the long run, it could be cost effective?
Kali Pizzaro: because they recognised the components as well as the order?
Maisy Carter: yes @izzy
Kali Pizzaro: great Iver
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's the thing about a good simulation. Being able to reuse it saves money in the long run.
Iver Northolt: it would definitely be cost effective
Maisy Carter: it's open ot the public by the way - so please let others know
Kali Pizzaro: i am organising a trip soon so look out for the event
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was curious about the % of students who had experienced SL already. Seemed very high, as compared to my undergrads. Why do you think that is?
Del Hapmouche: Maybe an obvious question...but was a student's liking for SL related strongly to his/her success in learning PCR?
Kali Pizzaro: agree@Iggy
Maisy Carter: I was surprised as well and wondered if they meant it
Kali Pizzaro: mm
Iver Northolt: I think they were trying to show off
Iver Northolt: most of my other students its 10-15% have ever used it
Maisy Carter: they might have heard of it but not used it - most of the students in the orientation I did had not sued it before - they all had to create avatars
Profdan Netizen: lol, nothing like a geek show off!
Marc Rexen: It can also allow for a few weeks of intensive lab work that almost has to be "in reality," to be prepared for. Maybe the "month long capstone lab section" for an on-line course...virtual labs would prepare them for the real thing that could actually go time-compressed.
hobbs Constantine: Please, feel free to ask your questions now
Iver Northolt: also to be inclusive for all, we need to be cautious
Logos Sohl: yay, question time!
Logos Sohl: QUESTION IN TWO PARTS: "students who conducted the PCR experiment in SL required significantly less demonstrator assistance during the subsequent RL practical." (1) Is it possible that students taking the SL experiment get these questions answered during the SL practice because of back chat but not during the demonstration? (2) Is it possible the effect (that SL student group asked less questions) would have been more noticeable given that fact that as you yourselves observe, "the SL group were all prompt attendees" and "there may be a correlation between punctuality and the amount of preparatory work done" and I would imagine it could also affect proactivity in class
Iver Northolt: students with visual impairment, or dyslexia-type needs
Marc Rexen: How long did creating the PCR simulation take?
hobbs Constantine: Questions from the floor may all proceed
Maisy Carter: in hindsight we would have prepared @Marc a considerable time
Del Hapmouche: Maybe an obvious question...but was a student's liking for SL related strongly to his/her success in learning PCR?
hobbs Constantine: (smiles at Logos waiting to ask)
Maisy Carter: sorry ... muddled answer there
Marc Rexen: I'm thinking of what 15 labs for a first or second semester chemistry course would take.
Maisy Carter: @del most likely but we didn't correlate
Iver Northolt: would take to create?
Birdie Newcomb: Is this an ongoing inquiry, or a one-off?
Iver Northolt: @del I agree with Maisy, I think it might help/bias
Marc Rexen: Well, if you're trying to do something fully on-line, it wouldn't be a one-off.
Del Hapmouche: Thanks
Maisy Carter: @birdie it's not being used much at moment - alternative Flash versions have been developed
Birdie Newcomb: Flash? how's that work?
Marc Rexen: The program would have to have some real touch with a real lab, but the goal of SL might be to reduce the time in the RL lab.
Iver Northolt: I intend to revisit for my second years in forensics
Maisy Carter: @birdie in similar way but web based
Kali Pizzaro: is part of the lab role not to allow repetition later
hobbs Constantine: hobbs applauds these continuing efforts
Maisy Carter: @birdie a simulation I mean
Profdan Netizen: @Maisy--with avatars, or only manipulating objects in the flash version?
Kali Pizzaro: to become better at the test before Rl lab work
Iver Northolt: @Marc - are you a chemist btw?
Logos Sohl: QUESTION: "Students in both groups increased their knowledge equally and learning gains were unaffected by whether the students used the Virtual Lab in Second Life or saw a demonstration before the physical life practical" But did the whole thing take the SL group longer?
Marc Rexen: Yes.
Maisy Carter: no avatars - just web interaction
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How well was the simulation received by colleagues? Any recruits?
Kali Pizzaro: slow down everyone for a sec
Mimi Muircastle: good ques. @iggy
Marc Rexen: Always seemed one of the harder things to try within SL (molecular biology, library's...I do a lot).
Profdan Netizen: Comparing flash with SL version would be intriguing.
Maisy Carter: @logos similar time
Maisy Carter: @profdan has been done and Flsh won!
Maisy Carter: Flash
Marc Rexen: We did Flash of chemistry experiments...took a lot of time and I'm convinced they were better than movies.
Mimi Muircastle: the Flash folks would be happy they won!
hobbs Constantine: Yay Marc!
Maisy Carter: but I dont think it was like for like comparison
Profdan Netizen: Why did flash win? And for what reason?
Logos Sohl: QUESTION Cluster ON CLASS SIZE: The student group in second life was quite large. Did you experience issues with this? "Those who had used Second Life before thought that they had not received sufficient feedback during the experiment." Do you think that class size could have explained this dissatisfaction given that users of SL are used to lots of feedback, back chat etc? What can be done to support large class sizes in virtual environment such as second life?
Marc Rexen: but they took so much work...and I'm not convinced they'd be better than something well-done in here.
Maisy Carter: @ProfDan Flash won because it's more accessible, quicker to use etc
Iver Northolt: I'd like to do some more Flash of Chemistry (but dont want to go off topic here)
Maisy Carter: no learning SL
Profdan Netizen: @Iver, but I wonder if the learning experience is the same?
Maisy Carter: Flash was also a lot of work to develop
hobbs Constantine: when hobbs does chemi, there tends to be flashes (explosions) ha ha
Mimi Muircastle: :) Hobbs
Birdie Newcomb: Were students paired or in groups, as if in a lab, or individual?
Logos Sohl has to relog)
Maisy Carter: @birdie in SL?
Birdie Newcomb: yes
Marc Rexen: My guess it's better here, but there's the real development costs. PCR is rather straight-forword...something like distillation or melting point or crystallization...might not be.
Kali Pizzaro: did you allow them to review the chat log
Kali Pizzaro: to reflect on their decisions
Maisy Carter: No but they wer in there together so had to wait their turn etc - another reason hy Flash preferred
Kali Pizzaro: typo city ;-)
Profdan Netizen: @Maisy, could be done concurrently?
Iver Northolt: @Marc, I like that idea though
Maisy Carter: @MARC I agree re: costs - we are not investing anything further at moment
Maisy Carter: @Marc SL has about 6-8 benches but there were 30-40 students
Iver Northolt: we'd like to focus on getting input on what we've already done, right Maisy?
Maisy Carter: Flash of course doesn't impose such constraints
Kali Pizzaro: how about the fact you could collaborate with marcs students ;-)
Maisy Carter: @Iver yes and possibly think through whether this is good use of SL for us
hobbs Constantine: You mention that the non-SL group was able to use SL later. How did that go?
Marc Rexen: I do wish the students had been separated as they came in...I doubt it makes much difference, but it's there.
Maisy Carter: at moment we are working on healthcare simulations and see more potential there
Iver Northolt: hhhmm, they didn't seem so fussed
Graham Mills: Sorry if I missed this but how long did the sim take?
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Kali Pizzaro: agree hhehe
hobbs Constantine: ty Iver
Iver Northolt: how about twinning UEL and X-Uni students in SL?
Iver Northolt: peer-mentoring?
Maisy Carter: @graham a long time but i don't have exact figures - it was developed in house by someone who was busy on lots of other stuff
Mimi Muircastle: good idea Iv'r
Maisy Carter: months not weeks
Kali Pizzaro: sounds about right
Graham Mills: No, I meant in class -- whole thing was 3 h?
Maisy Carter: @graham yes - not much
hobbs Constantine: In the Discussion section, it is noted that there might be “other types of cognitive development and theoretical understanding enhancement” that was not measured in your study? What are examples of these? Please feel free to hypothesize.
Maisy Carter: not my design
Maisy Carter: would have preferred a more longitudinal approach
Iver Northolt: awareness of health and safety
hobbs Constantine: @Maisy, there is some nice beauty in the simplicity of this experiment
Iver Northolt: green aspects - waste disposal
Maisy Carter: @hobbs long term gain vs short
Kali Pizzaro: a longer scenario
hobbs Constantine: interesting!
Iver Northolt: @Kali - yes longer, with more complexity, could then measure retention of knowledge
Graham Mills: Have you had any contact with the SWIFt folk at Leicester? They are doing virtual labs too, I think
hobbs Constantine: @Iver, so the whole idea of wash your hands, be carfule, don't run with pipettes?
hobbs Constantine: *careful
Iver Northolt: dont cross-contaminate
Maisy Carter: @graham nothing in depth
hobbs Constantine: ah ha
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm curious about how your colleagues reacted to the use of SL.
Marc Rexen: Eventually, it can rise to "Here's a crime scene, here are the tests you know how to perform, and their $$cost...the winners will be the group that conclusive proves guilt...at the cheapest cost."
Maisy Carter: @ignatius - other academics?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Maisy, yes
Iver Northolt: I LIKE - we could get industrial sponsorship
Marc Rexen: Now they have to decide what test to do...adds the game factor.
Maisy Carter: Only a few were involved and reactions were/are mixed - it's not mainstream at UEL by any means
Kali Pizzaro: becomes more of a problem based scenario @marc
hobbs Constantine: @Graham, please repost you question
Marc Rexen: yes.
Iver Northolt: PBL good stuff
Graham Mills: @hobbs it was answered
hobbs Constantine: ah, good thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks Maisy--one objection I get to our simulation is how long it took to build. Not a reaction I'd anticipated.
Kali Pizzaro: that is what i do for healthcare
Marc Rexen: We have to watch costs...learned that with the Flash.
Iver Northolt: I'd say from my colleagues it was a mixed reaction
Maisy Carter: @ignatius cost is an issue for some but not main one
Maisy Carter: cost and time
Iver Northolt: from what the? to oh ok, I can see where we could use that for formative materials
Kali Pizzaro: people are not dedicated to it. it is early adopters who push it
hobbs Constantine: May I ask, did you hire builders?
Marc Rexen: agreed...but if the market is big enough, or the need important enough, it is worth it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was thinking of time...that might be spent on other tasks. But that is what we early adopters do, providing proof of concept.
Maisy Carter: @hobbs we have but not for this lab
Maisy Carter: all done in house
hobbs Constantine: @maisy, OK ty
Kali Pizzaro: Maisy are you the builder
Iver Northolt: Steph has had students build stuff!
Maisy Carter: no -
Kali Pizzaro: yeah that is an option
hobbs Constantine: lol- excellent, two birds one stone
Kali Pizzaro: we have used
Graham Mills: I've been playing with Puppeteer - may be useful shortcut in this context
Chimeracool Burner: will have to look at the transcript - must go - sorry!
Maisy Carter: a colleague who is employed as a learning materials developer does it - I have no time or skill
Chimeracool Burner: thanks!
hobbs Constantine: Bye Chimeracool!
Iver Northolt: you have plenty of skill Maisy
Kali Pizzaro: Iver do you see shared learning between the forensics and the healthcare
Chimeracool Burner: bye
Maisy Carter: but not the SL development ones
Kali Pizzaro: students
Iver Northolt: Can I just add as an academic (busy and troubled by PhD students) that the best bit was working with the TEAM
Kali Pizzaro: good point iver
Marc Rexen: Sounds like some of these, if the proof of concepts show enough value, might be "worth it" say via consortium of Community Colleges all tasked to teach some lab course...share the cost/pain/time/whatever.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah dont reinvent the wheel
Iver Northolt: absolutely
hobbs Constantine: We are entering the home stretch, if you have any more qeustions try to fit them in now or we'll have Maisy and Iver get answers offline for transcript
Kali Pizzaro: yes Iver
Maisy Carter: mutidisciplinary team can work very well - i was project lead I suppose
Mimi Muircastle: @Marc, yes, more collaborative sharing must begin to happen!
Graham Mills: Pharmatopia do something similar for pharmacy labs
Kali Pizzaro: victim of crime in a&e needs forensic yes?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc...exactly. It's harder to share traditional materials, I've found. We make someone a builder on our island, and they can collaborate fully.
Maisy Carter: @marc definitely
Iver Northolt: Forensic nurse practitioner etc
Kali Pizzaro: oh i feel like a wedding planner at vwer. yep Iver
Marc Rexen: So many areas where sharing really could help.
Mimi Muircastle: @Marc and save on duplicated efforts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali "Matchmaker Matchmaker make me a match.." etc.
Maisy Carter: we are about to do collaborative venture in our polyclinic with another uni - will keep you posted
Iver Northolt: I am trying to keep up but am aware of Forensic Pathology in USA SL
Kali Pizzaro: ah who tell me tell me
hobbs Constantine: tradition!
Maisy Carter: though havent told the bosses yet
Kali Pizzaro: only joing
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Iver Northolt: MAISY - you're FIRED
Iver Northolt: ahahahah
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Kali Pizzaro: so the students did they go into Sl after the module and try the experiment again
Kali Pizzaro: do you know
Iver Northolt: she hasnt told you the best bit about the Virtual Patient platform
Marc Rexen: And scarce resources, meaning SL coders able to code...maybe Colleges that don't have this resource, would go "half-way" providing the time-line and sequencing needed...i.e., the storyboarding that the Tacoma nursing program did...that was half of the work, the other half was folks coding it in SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: okay, I've just decided how much cooler you scientists and health care professionals are than any group of humanists (present company excepted)
hobbs Constantine: hockey game - 2 minute warning
Kali Pizzaro: ah the web interface for case studies
Kali Pizzaro: ?
Iver Northolt: @kali - yes I met some on a Saturday morning in the lab
Kali Pizzaro: fab so that is important
Kali Pizzaro: important
Kali Pizzaro: for them
hobbs Constantine: OK folks we are having a great time here
Graham Mills: If they were overseas students, they could use SL to contact folk at home?
hobbs Constantine: but our loved ones need us back.
Marc Rexen: Is Iggy complimenting us? :)
hobbs Constantine: It's been just lovely having Maisy and Iver, right?
Maisy Carter: if the folks at home have SL @graham
Iver Northolt: indeed, I partied with my brother who works for FORTIS bank in Paris one friday
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc--yes. I eat lunch every day with the Physics faculty, btw.
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Iver Northolt: in SL, except he turned u as a virgin avatar in a suit! lol
Kali Pizzaro: so Maisy and Iver have you seen another side to Sl beyond the lab
Kali Pizzaro: haha
hobbs Constantine: Thank you so much Maisy and Iver for surviving us today.
Kali Pizzaro: we hope you will come again
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, thank you Maisey and Iver for joining us!
Kali Pizzaro: great paper
Maisy Carter: the hard slog of doing anything
Sheila Yoshikawa: thank you
Logos Sohl: Thanks guys, loved the article, very interesting
Iver Northolt: @Graham I have other experiences on social aspects for my students
Meredith Winslet: It was very interesting.
Birdie Newcomb: good talk
Del Hapmouche: Thank you ... very informative!
Graham Mills: ty, great paper and interesting chat
hobbs Constantine: I have just a couple of housekeeping wrap-ups
Nafisa Moleno: Thank you, that was absolutely fascinating
Marc Rexen: Agreed.
Maisy Carter: the polyclinic is main focus at moment
hobbs Constantine: Don't forget that this FRIDAY is our visit to the Third Rock Grid
Kali Pizzaro: would you be kind enough to look at the questions that remain unanswered when we send the transcript
hobbs Constantine: 3RG
Kali Pizzaro: to you
IzzyLander Karu: Thank you for sharing your research and insights, Iver Maisy
Maisy Carter: @kali sure
Graham Mills: is that an oppensim?
Kali Pizzaro: fab
Profdan Netizen: Ime?
hobbs Constantine: Please come along with us as we visit the educational builds in a completely other place (other than SL)
Profdan Netizen: Time?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll run the transcript by week's end
Iver Northolt: Indeed, loved it, Thanks for having us!
Margaret Michalski: For those visiting the 3rd Rock Grid on Friday, please note the importance of having your network settings between. 300-500. It can be found underpreferences and network. Otherwise you risk the possibility of crashing etc. : )
hobbs Constantine: There are notecard givers near the seats
Maisy Carter: @ignatius fine
Margaret Michalski: at 1:00pm SLT
Kali Pizzaro: ok i am going to arrange a visit to Maisy and Ivers area next week so keep an ey out
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks, Margaret! That's a good tip
hobbs Constantine: Please come on Friday if you can, I'll be there and this is Margaret's thing.
Kali Pizzaro: Maisy i will chat with you soon
Maisy Carter: will do kali - if you let me know can sort out some refreshments
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you hobbs! Great meeting today
hobbs Constantine: Finally, one small note: I'm starting a Special Interest Group here within VWER just on science and science education.
Kali Pizzaro: you will be able to see the lab and their great work at the polyclinic
Graham Mills: thx all
Mimi Muircastle: good job Hobbs :)
Maisy Carter: nice to meet you all - fast and furious chat
Margaret Michalski: thanks hobbs
hobbs Constantine: Please friend me and remind me what you connection is to Science and I'll draw something up for us
Profdan Netizen: @Margaret, do you mean the network bandwidth settings?
Margaret Michalski: yes
hobbs Constantine: Thank you in advance that Iggy will take care of the transcript and again thanks to Maisy and Iver and Kali for today's Reading Meeting.
Kali Pizzaro: Thanks Hobb great job moderating
Logos Sohl: thanks hobbs :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: off to see my crazy sister and eat Thai food. Good night all!
Marc Rexen: Nice meeting, thanks.
Logos Sohl: gotta go folks, great session
hobbs Constantine: It was my pleasure, this is a great group today! I've loving y'all
Logos Sohl: and thanks olivia too