Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: March 23, 2010
Topic: The New SL Viewer
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
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AJ Brooks: For those sitting up in the amphitheater seating, please come down and join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on the side closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: Our topic will be SL 2.0: The New Viewer
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
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AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable (VWER) has decided to make use of Google Moderator (the tool we use at our voice meetings for questions)
AJ Brooks: ack - sorry - not using it today
AJ Brooks: to help us find out what you'd like and what some of your ideas area.
AJ Brooks: one sec - wrong dec seems to have loaded - one sec please
Soleil Lemondrop: no audio today?
AJ Brooks: no - no voice chat today
Kalyan Horatio: I dont hear anything
ffeldon Mint: No audio. Text only.
ffeldon Mint: Same as last week
Hypatia Pickens: I'm not hearing anything.
Hypatia Pickens: And I can't get the moderator to work... ever.
AJ Brooks: ok - so - this week we are not using audio - we only use that for special meetings
AJ Brooks: the box int he middle of the table will give you infomration on three google moderator's we've set up to find out what you'd like to hear about
ffeldon Mint: In future I recommend moderator always use audio
AgileBill Firehawk: hi all!
AJ Brooks: i had all the info loaded into speakeasy but it seems to have not saves
AJ Brooks: saved - sorry
AJ Brooks: anyway - if you have a mystitool on -please put it to sleep
AJ Brooks: and please give us your suggestions on topics, readings, and guests - per the instructions in that box on the table.
AJ Brooks: those sitting out int he ampitheater, please join us at the table
AJ Brooks: we're really quite friendly :-)there is always an empty chair on the side with the ramp
AJ Brooks: lets start out as we always do - but introducing ourselves
AJ Brooks: no need to wait - type who you are, where you work, waht you do - into the local chat
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I'm now teaching my fourth class with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology & psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life Foundation Skills in Second Life. Visit my Immersive Interactive Educational builds on Ralanora. I also have a build for Multiple Intelligences on Koru.
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, publisher, Santa Barbara
Maximum Goldshark: Maximum Goldshark, student CSU Chico.
Jerod Bagley: University of Illinois at Chicago, Distance Education
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist, University f Illinois at Chicago
Hypatia Pickens: Hypatia Pickens, Professor of English at an upstate University.... beta testing 2.0 at the moment.
Composite Maven: is Terry Creasy, Texas A&M University, Mechanical engineering and Materials Science
CorDeRosa Loire: I'm a PhD student
Del Hapmouche: John Gustafson, UMUC, psychology
Doctor Zeritonga: I am research student with The Open University
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico
hobbs Constantine: is Heather Dodds, Math and Science Program Community facilitator, Western Governors University
Viv Trafalgar: Viv Trafalgar, currently interactive and immersive games designer at Rezzable, formerly Virtual Worlds fellow at University of the Arts, Philadelphia, and Iggy lets me hang out at URichmond some.
ffeldon Mint: Fred Feldon (ffeldon Mint) Math Professor
Ju Roussel: Ju Roussel, PhD student in management
Zil Jewell: Zil Jewell-Teach Graphic Design at Santa Barbara City College
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm the VP for IT there,
Firery Broome: University of Delaware
Ellie Brewster: Sharon Collingwood, Ohio State, who has rashly chosen to use the new viewer with a class starting next week
Jonathon Dunn: I'm Deke Kassabian from the University of Pennsylvania
AJ Brooks: JON!
AJ Brooks: :-)
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Lecturer in Advanced Practice Nursing Glasgow Caledonian University
Kalyan Horatio: I'm senior lecturer in English
Jonathon Dunn: Hey AJ :)
Logos Sohl: Niamh O Riordan, Irish PhD student studying innovatin and knowledge creation in virtual worlds
Kavon Zenovka: Kae Instructional Designer from Front Range Colorado
Teachergirl Razor: Carole Farber University of Western Ontario Faculty of Information and Media Studies
Hypatia Pickens: Sarah Higley..... at the University of Rochester. Still beta testing. :)
AgileBill Firehawk: AgileBill Krebs, Rockcliffe U & Allscripts & Agile Dimensions- North Carolina
cyber Placebo: language technology specialist @ Victoria Uni in NZ
AJ Brooks: great - who's left
Mary Roussel: is Mary Pinto, Language teacher and ICT facilitator, Spanglish Center, Venezuela
Soleil Lemondrop: Janet Salmons, Faculty grad School of Biz and Technology, Capella University
Juice Gyoza: Tanya Joosten, Assoc Dir, Learning Technology Center, Univ Wisconsin Milwaukee
JimEd Monday: Casey Ashe, LRC Supervisor, Tulsa Community College
AJ Brooks: hey juice
Portia Foxclaw: consultant, PhD student
Juice Gyoza: Hey AJ!!
Sheila Yoshikawa: Sheila Webber, Sheffield University, UK
AJ Brooks: anyone else not intro themselves
AJ Brooks: let me try one thing
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AJ Brooks: there ya go
AJ Brooks: sorry for the confusion
AJ Brooks: so - welcome everyone
AJ Brooks: gret crowd today
AJ Brooks: I'm showing 47 on the sim
AJ Brooks: for those of you interested in one person's view of the new viewer
AJ Brooks: I suggest ISTE's talk tonight with my dear friend Chris Colling a/k/a Fleep Tuque
AJ Brooks: this is how I'd hoped to deal with this topic today
AJ Brooks: first I'd like to generate some BROAD BIG 35,000 foot categories
AJ Brooks: of things about the viewer
AJ Brooks: and thank break down each one into specific topics
AJ Brooks: so - to start off - what could some of those big categories be?
AJ Brooks: like GUI
AJ Brooks: or graphic user interface
Jonathon Dunn: Usability for newbs,
AJ Brooks: thats one
Jerod Bagley: shared media
Margaret Michalski: navigation
AJ Brooks: ok
Mimi Muircastle: effects on those who build
AJ Brooks: i think navigation fits into usability
Teachergirl Razor: media types
Logos Sohl: impact on content
AJ Brooks: media - def.
Logos Sohl: impact on existing resources which are now out of dte
Ellie Brewster: dealing with students on old& new viewers
Jerod Bagley: good one
Logos Sohl: stability of
Jonathon Dunn: Within media, how to plan to leverage for 2.0 users while supporting 1.0 users.
Hypatia Pickens: Our impact on the designers... when we write to JIRA
Jonathon Dunn: right
Kali Pizzaro: changing clothes easy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: transparency to our RL selves
Kali Pizzaro: no really shared media
AJ Brooks: ok - hang on - let me recap
Hypatia Pickens: How to juggle more than one version...... pros and cons of each....
AJ Brooks: Media - Usability - GUI - Content - Differing Viewers - and Stability
AJ Brooks: 6 main topics
AJ Brooks: the other items seemed to fit into each of those
AJ Brooks: are usability and GUI the same
AJ Brooks: or does GUI fit into Usability?
Hypatia Pickens: the latter.
Jonathon Dunn: Fits in. Key and other input is part of usability but isn't GUI. I think.
AJ Brooks: ok - so GUI is part of usability
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I would think that my note about privacy, and IP concerns, could fit into "Content"
Kali Pizzaro: Alan hey
AJ Brooks: so - lets start with that one - Usability
AJ Brooks: lets chat about that for a while
AJ Brooks: how many people are using 2.0 now
Jonathon Dunn: Who has experience on whether the new user learning curve is less steep in 2.0?
Ellie Brewster: me
Kali Pizzaro: me
Jonathon Dunn: me
Jerod Bagley: me
Del Hapmouche: I am
Birdie Newcomb: y
Kalyan Horatio: me
Zil Jewell: Experimenting with it but not using it really.
Mary Roussel: y
Margaret Michalski: I am
Ju Roussel: y
Mimi Muircastle: some
Olivia Hotshot: me
AJ Brooks: ok - one sec
Marty Snowpaw: me
AJ Brooks: I mean .......
Zotarah Shepherd: About 2 hours
Teachergirl Razor: I had a disconcerting thing happen today -- I received a slurl in an email and I opened it as I usually do and received message that I had to download the 2.0 beta viewer -- is that not a bit pre emptive - already requiring it?
AJ Brooks: how many of you are using it at this very moment - as we speak
Teachergirl Razor: I have briefly used it
Del Hapmouche: I am
Birdie Newcomb: now
Kali Pizzaro: me
Olivia Hotshot: Avoiding it with Emerald.
Mary Roussel: no
Jerod Bagley: me
Jonathon Dunn: at this moment yes.
cyber Placebo: I do
Kalyan Horatio: me
Ju Roussel: no
Alan Sandalwood: I use it, but not today
Hypatia Pickens: I'm using it now AJ
AJ Brooks: 7 so for, using it right now, who else
Composite Maven: using it now
AgileBill Firehawk: have tried, but not using now
Ju Roussel: I trained a complete newbie into it.
Kali Pizzaro: but not told my students it is out yet
Mimi Muircastle: not today
AJ Brooks: ok - we're up to 9
Ignatius Onomatopoeia will inflict it on a no-inventory ALT first
Kali Pizzaro: dont change yet haha
Logos Sohl: i use it but not today
Jonathon Dunn: ooh.
AJ Brooks: so - 9 of you using it at the moment
Kali Pizzaro: seat next to me folk
AJ Brooks: thats about 20%
ffeldon Mint: I was in it for 15 minutes, crashed, now back in old SL viewer
AJ Brooks: Now - how many of you have EVER used it? EVERY?
Logos Sohl: the no inventory alt thing is a biggie
Jonathon Dunn is struggling with the interface
Kali Pizzaro: i have had very little problem with it
cyber Placebo: it is very power hungry
Marc Rexen raises hand.
Kavon Zenovka: waiting until the semester ends - don't want to start students on it yet
Logos Sohl: moast of us have tried it though aj..
Logos Sohl: *most
Alan Sandalwood: Few problems as yet. Still learning the new interface
Jimmie Veeper: I have
Kali Pizzaro: Me too Kavon
AJ Brooks: i don't think so, Logos
Sheila Yoshikawa: I'm afraid I can't see you yet Kali, everything's rezzing really slowly
Mimi Muircastle: tried it briefly
hobbs Constantine: tried it, didn't inhale
Jonathon Dunn: lol hobbs
cyber Placebo: Love it :-)
Sheila Yoshikawa: and I haven't used 2.0 yet either
Ellie Brewster: using it constantly, like it
Marc Rexen: Spent hours and hours trying to get sound working and stable...never got there.
Hypatia Pickens: I'm finding that it's much more graphics friendly.
Margaret Michalski: I have not had enough time to get familiar with it but I have mixed feelings
Kali Pizzaro: np
Hypatia Pickens: Things rez more quickly.
Hypatia Pickens: Images are crisper.
Viv Trafalgar: I had a decent first experience, then a massive fail.
AJ Brooks: ok - so lets talk about the stability of it
Ellie Brewster: maybe we should list our OS & machines?
Jenaia Morane: That's interesting Hypatia
AJ Brooks: has it been stable?
Jenaia Morane: I have just the opposite experience
cyber Placebo: crashed with hud
Marc Rexen: The sound controls are buried too...very painful to do simple things like adjust steaming music volume.
Ju Roussel: too many steps to make/buttons to push to get where I need to. 2x or 3x compared to 1.23
Viv Trafalgar: and I'm a bit worried about whether i'm dressed or not
Teachergirl Razor: when I tried it and went back to my emerald viewer my preferences had changed
Viv Trafalgar: when i use it
Birdie Newcomb: as stable as the old one
Jonathon Dunn: I haven't used it much but I haven't crashed it.
Composite Maven: win 7, 64 bit, crashes early and often
Kali Pizzaro: fine for me
Marc Rexen: Very stable, even in massively laggy areas.
Hypatia Pickens: I have a laptop... DEL Vostro, with NVIDIA geforce 7000
Mary Roussel: sound and voice .... not stable
Jerod Bagley: agree it seems more laggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I rezzed in my bare skin today in Svarga--with 1.23
hobbs Constantine: @Teachergirl ; come to think if it, that's WHY I downloaded 2.0 didn't want to but felt forced
cyber Placebo: @composite fine on my laptop win7 64
AJ Brooks: svarga?????????
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes..it's back
Jonathon Dunn: I thought svarga was gone
AJ Brooks: WOW!!!!!!!!!!
Margaret Michalski: For me it has even vey stable on an XP
Jonathon Dunn: oh cool
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LL bought it as a park
Composite Maven: oh, laptop, HP elitebook, crash requires reboot
Jenaia Morane: I am always having trouble with my inventory
Firery Broome whispers: Svarga?????
ffeldon Mint: BEST THING about Viewer 2 is rezzing web sites on any surface!
Jenaia Morane: and it takes u way too much of my screen
AJ Brooks: who else has had stability issues?
Birdie Newcomb: stable on iMac
hobbs Constantine: was stable but didn't use it long
Jenaia Morane: I have trouble building
Ellie Brewster: I'm fine on a Mac Powerbook with Snow Leopard
AJ Brooks: or not for that matter
Kali Pizzaro: yes
MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Could not find script 'MystiTool Collision Detector 1.0'.
cyber Placebo: @composite DELL XPS 1645
ffeldon Mint: I can "stream" my desktop live into SL w Viewer 2
Jenaia Morane: and finding ad using more advanced tools
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so are system reqs greater for 2?
Ju Roussel: @ffeldon, what do you use for that?
Kali Pizzaro: I need to see the capabilities of the media integration
AJ Brooks: any other thoughts on stability? before we move on?
ffeldon Mint: I use it for digital link
ffeldon Mint: ink
Hypatia Pickens: Have only seen streaming media once. Worked well.
Marc Rexen: That is huge ffeldon.
ffeldon Mint: I can "write" math
AJ Brooks: lets hold off on content use at the moment
Teachergirl Razor: Things have disappeared from the inventory when moving between 2.0 and other viewers
ffeldon Mint: YES huge
Jenaia Morane: What is no inventory alt?
Firery Broome: Svarga- Maybe V2 is also a time machine???
Ju Roussel: @ffeldon , is digital link a software?
cyber Placebo: found it stable overall on a min 4gb ram, 1gb graphic card
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waits for new MacBook Pro in June
Teachergirl Razor: also appeared in 2.0 in clothes from a couple of days earlier
Hypatia Pickens: Right what is no inventory alt?
Jenaia Morane: Oh yes
Olivia Hotshot: i thought Svarga was one of the singers from ABBA.
ffeldon Mint: "digital ink" on a Tablet PC
Jonathon Dunn: me too iggy
ffeldon Mint: All tablets come with MS Journal and OneNote
Jenaia Morane: I rezzed in with clothing from three different outfits
Marc Rexen: Allows for tons of incredibly useful things...it's why I'm continuing to struggle with it.
Kali Pizzaro: haha Olivia
Ju Roussel: TY..
Zil Jewell: Actually, I am experiencing a different set of clothes on my avi from when I last logged in.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL @ Olivia :)
Hypatia Pickens: Ha Jenaia....
AJ Brooks: Zil - you have your mic open
Viv Trafalgar grins at Olivia
Zil Jewell: Started to happen after i used the new viewer.
Kali Pizzaro: i like the fact you can change a whole outfit
Kali Pizzaro: simpler for newbies
Hypatia Pickens: Whatever I wear in here.... gets transferred to my other viewers.
AJ Brooks: stablity - anything else on that?
Zil Jewell: Without thinking about . ; )
Hypatia Pickens: But not vice versa.
Kali Pizzaro: no
Logos Sohl: Ive had that bare skin experience too
Jenaia Morane: well and that kept changing too
Logos Sohl: Not fun
Hypatia Pickens: If I change clothes in Emerald... that's not reflected in 2.0
Jenaia Morane: it was 20 mins
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: not more crashes than in 1.23?
Zil Jewell: No Mic.
Hypatia Pickens: And I'm changed back, merely having logged in.
Marc Rexen: So much broke with sound...it's clear it isn't a priority...wouldn't have buried the controls so deeply if they cared.
Jenaia Morane: before I felt safe to go anywhere
Jenaia Morane: And yes sound is a mess
cyber Placebo: had issues with viewing web on IE but installed firefox and all plugin worked
Olivia Hotshot: I don't like that someone can send me inventory items and there is no accept or deny. I do NOT want to be slammed by someone forcing a boat load of assets into my inventory
AJ Brooks: folks - I know we all want to share about the new viewer - but lets try to keep our discussions focus on one area - it 'll make it easier for visitors to follow and for the transcripts
Jenaia Morane: I agree that the media on a prim is great
Jenaia Morane: but we are paying a huge price for it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia--that is a HUGE opening for griefers
Hypatia Pickens: Olivia... I'm having that problem on Emerald right now.
Marc Rexen: Wow, they brought that bad idea back Olivia?
Hypatia Pickens: No accept or deny.
Kali Pizzaro: i did not even click
AJ Brooks: lets talk about the media
Kali Pizzaro: ok
AJ Brooks: who has had experience with that
Jenaia Morane: Yes agreed Olivia
Jerod Bagley: I agree Olivia.
Olivia Hotshot: I still get accept & deny on Emerald - newest version
cyber Placebo: I do a lot
Ellie Brewster: I've set up media, it's really easy. Just remember to lock it
Olivia Hotshot: Has built the new media
Marc Rexen: On a prim, or via the existing expected from the client AJ?\
cyber Placebo: of media using web2.0 tools with students
Jerod Bagley: The shared media is a huge advantage
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wow--I'll tell the folks at the Herald about that bug and they'll inv-bomb Prokofy Neva :)
Olivia Hotshot: also flash on a prim
Kali Pizzaro: i have used it a bit to work on a webpage when in sl
Jenaia Morane: I thin it's a pain with the IMs and chat appearing ll over
Jenaia Morane: all*
cyber Placebo: I used etherpad on a prim
Jenaia Morane: When someone log in
AJ Brooks: who has used media on a prim?
cyber Placebo: worked beautifully really immersive
Jenaia Morane: logs*
Ju Roussel: y
Del Hapmouche: Shared media works to access our LMS
cyber Placebo: and also used outside Sl
Jerod Bagley: We used etherpad as well. Works great
Olivia Hotshot: Shared media becomes a hack magnet if people do not know how to lock it down. Start showing a video from your univ and come back and it is something from You Tube... for example...or worse
Ju Roussel: tried several Zoho apps, was disappointed not all work as expected
Margaret Michalski: Ether pad is good
cyber Placebo: real time collaborative writing on Etherpad YAY@!
Jenaia Morane: their names appear all over my screen
Kali Pizzaro: i put a few webpages on a prim
Logos Sohl: I got google docs on a prim, I liked that
AJ Brooks: excellent
Ellie Brewster: works great, I even put my orientation instructions on a Google site, posted it in SL
Jenaia Morane: Nods at Logos
Kali Pizzaro: it is easy
AJ Brooks: who else has used media on a prima dn how did you use it?
Jenaia Morane: that is cool
Hypatia Pickens: OMG Olivia!
Olivia Hotshot: has used etherpad inworld for awhile now
Kalyan Horatio: I could chat on facebook
cyber Placebo: shared youtube videos, in one session loved it
AJ Brooks: chat on facebook?
Jenaia Morane: wow neat Kalyan
Kalyan Horatio: I also tweet
Hypatia Pickens: Really Kaylan?
Jerod Bagley: Etherpad and video and web based survey tool
cyber Placebo: makes a huge difference to presence
Kalyan Horatio: yes
Ellie Brewster: I put a Youtube video page up, though, and if you click for full screen you are stuck there
AJ Brooks: is it easy?
Logos Sohl: And others wont see your content if youre logged into a password protected site. Thats important
Kali Pizzaro: yeah just put facbook on a prim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'll have to adjust to what Olivia mentions, but the concept will be wonderful for educators
Ju Roussel: facebook must have been visible to only owner though..
cyber Placebo: rather than being out of Sl to share media
Kali Pizzaro: easy i can even do it
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Jerod Bagley: me too Kali
Kali Pizzaro: i had a wee problem with sound when i played a youtube video
AJ Brooks: I'll admit - I've not used it to much yet - I won't put beta or test software on my main machine and so that means it has to go on in my labs. But the updates have come to fast and require too much upkeep, so we stopped testing it for now
Ellie Brewster: You have to think of the shared media as you would a textbook : "Students, please turn to page 5"
Margaret Michalski: The surey tool is very good as well. Makes Data collection easy
Ju Roussel: for youtube, you need to extract .flv file address, I was wondering if there is an app that helps with it
Hypatia Pickens: Is there a way to make the print bigger? I find all the type on .2.0 terribly tiny.
Hypatia Pickens: Much harder to read. OT... but I'm sorry.
Jerod Bagley: Agreed. YOu have to adjust it on the web site
AJ Brooks: is the media easy to incorporate?
Hypatia Pickens: Do others have that problem?
Olivia Hotshot: It is very easy to set up.......
Kali Pizzaro: Hypatia that would be useful
cyber Placebo: @ju why would you want to do that with viewer 2?
Kali Pizzaro: yes AJJ
Ju Roussel: @cyber to place a correctly sized video on a prim
AJ Brooks: has anyone tried using different media on different sides of a prim?
Olivia Hotshot: Yes.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Ju, do you want to convert the flv to another format?
Del Hapmouche: yes
Ellie Brewster: @
Olivia Hotshot: just like doing a texture
Del Hapmouche: worked fine
Jerod Bagley: Yes. All four sides of one prim
Ellie Brewster: @Ju , good tip
AJ Brooks: what educational uses have you found for this at this point?
Kali Pizzaro: yes yes
Kali Pizzaro: just choose the face
AJ Brooks: educational uses of media on a prim?
Ju Roussel: @Ignatius, no, just place it straight on a prim, without website elements around
cyber Placebo: @ju yes how about zooming in? Same with collaborative writing, need to zoom in
Jerod Bagley: Etherpad could be used for collaboration with folks who are both inworld and not.
Kali Pizzaro: showing webpages and discussing x rays
AJ Brooks: can people on the old viewer see the different media?
Kali Pizzaro: on the page
cyber Placebo: @jerod yes
Hypatia Pickens: No.
Kali Pizzaro: no
AJ Brooks: on each face of the prim
Ellie Brewster: no, they can't see it
Ju Roussel whispers: AJ, nO
Del Hapmouche: one problem is not being able to run java apps on a prim yet
Olivia Hotshot: Etherpad has been around for awhile..... does not need the shared media on a prim option
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it occurs to me that Google apps on prims will change everything here for students
AJ Brooks: so - this brings up a big problem, no?
Ju Roussel: java script - you can
AJ Brooks: people using different viewers
Ju Roussel: but not java
Olivia Hotshot: Has already done Google app on a prim
Logos Sohl: Absolutely Iggy
Ellie Brewster: What you can do for two viewers is surround a V1 sign with an invisible prim, then put the media on that
Kali Pizzaro: at the moment until they make everyone use it
Kali Pizzaro: oh Ellie fab
Jerod Bagley: Olivia, but can you collaborate on Ether pad inworld in viewer 1?
Logos Sohl: I've been having my students use Google docs for completing tutorials and I think it's interesting
Olivia Hotshot: There will still be alternate viewers, no one HAS to use V2.
Ju Roussel: Jerod, yes
Logos Sohl: .. you have a single resource at the end of a session
cyber Placebo: @Iggy can you modify google docs simultaneously? or wait for people to end writing for someone else to start?
Kali Pizzaro: Ok Olivia Ok
Kali Pizzaro: jeje
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Olivia Hotshot: Jerod, it opens the media window
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Google apps match products we paid $3000 US to have in ONE lab 15 years ago
AJ Brooks: has anyone talked yet about an educational use of media on a prim?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: exceed, in fact. It's going to change how I teach writing to have them in SL
Ju Roussel: Zoho writer took 50 writers of one chapter, much better than google :)
Kali Pizzaro: i am going to enjoy this transcript
AJ Brooks: i've seena lot of people say they've done it - but how about examples
Logos Sohl: How would vwbpe have happened without google docs ... they facilitate collaboration very effectively
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, you can show edits on the fly for writing - IF using Gogle Doc on a prim
Hypatia Pickens: I saw a lecture given by a medievalist recorded on a prim.
Hypatia Pickens: His opening lecture.
Kali Pizzaro: 43 on the sim for the transcript
AJ Brooks: wow - so out of all of you - and those who have said they used it - nobody is using it for an educational purpose or can think of an example?
Hypatia Pickens: If CSteph were here he could tell you about it. Is he?
Ju Roussel: Treet TV personal viewers for selected shows
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia--now that will transform distance ed in SL
cyber Placebo: yes I am informally
Hypatia Pickens: I just gave you one AJ!
Hypatia Pickens: hahah
Logos Sohl: its too soon
Kali Pizzaro: give us a chance AJ
Logos Sohl: we're still testing
AJ Brooks: lol - ok, thanks Hypatia
Logos Sohl: stuff needs to be rewritten, reimagined
Ju Roussel: whiteboard
AJ Brooks: so thats one
Kali Pizzaro: we are in the middle of modules
Kali Pizzaro: gees a break
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, agree
Hypatia Pickens: Of course the example was primitive.... you don't come to SL to listen to a lecture. But you have the option of doing so in 2.0
Ellie Brewster: I'm prepping for a class right now, and it is saving me hours of time
AJ Brooks: how so, ellie
Ju Roussel: AJ, the problem is with testing all these apps - those that do not show the same to the owner AND the audience have little use.
Ellie Brewster: media on a prim, no slideshows, less trouble in putting out signs, instructions, flexibility in changing things
AJ Brooks: agree Ju
AJ Brooks: in part, my point. :-)
AJ Brooks: *point
Ju Roussel: And only truly interactive ones will be used after all (the way Etherpad works)
Olivia Hotshot: One thing i do like is the teleport history - the back button
Marc Rexen: This has been the huge issue of SL all along, getting content in and out.
AJ Brooks: ok - so lets talk about content
Kali Pizzaro: yeah and the favorites
AJ Brooks: what subtopics are there in content
AJ Brooks: GUI
AJ Brooks: inventory
AJ Brooks: building
Margaret Michalski: @ Olivia, I noticed that too
AJ Brooks: scripting
Marc Rexen: Can you log into an LMS via a prim-based logon screen, if so, then it really becomes useful.
Olivia Hotshot: smiles to Margaret.
AJ Brooks: great question Marc
Olivia Hotshot: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Help
Del Hapmouche: Marc, that has worked for me
Hypatia Pickens: Content! I have a lot of gripes.
Margaret Michalski: I wish the picks would have been in favorites automatically
AJ Brooks: do tell, Hypatia
Marc Rexen: Wow...no name confusion issues them SL Vs. Campus.
Hypatia Pickens: I hate the new profiles.....
Hypatia Pickens: the pictures are much smaller......
Hypatia Pickens: and yet at the same time the profiles take mup too much of the screen
Ju Roussel: The whole sidebar is something.... well to dislike a lot!
Marc Rexen: Yes, you have to watch what you stuck in First Life, which nobody read, but now is stuffed in your face.
Margaret Michalski: @Hypatia, I agree why do they have to show 1st life info
AJ Brooks: what do people think of the sidebar?
Hypatia Pickens: The pie menu was so much more efficient!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh Lord...I'll need microscopes on my bifocals
Hypatia Pickens: Why destroy that?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah agree
Hypatia Pickens: And this tiny tiny tiny type.....
Hypatia Pickens: I'm going blind reading it!
Margaret Michalski: The sidebar overall is very good
Marc Rexen: The interface is poor and don't get me talking about Search...I keep hoping I've missed something, because it's so archaic.
Ju Roussel: Pie menu is 1 of 2 things I do not miss
Hypatia Pickens: The side bar is a feature that is all eye candy... but very very small eyecandy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves his cane and grumbles around his false teeth
Olivia Hotshot: Also, the map functionality needs to come back.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
Ellie Brewster: I think if I were doing a lot of building I would use Emerald, but I think V2 is so much easier for students. Even with the sidebar, at least they can find things.
Hypatia Pickens: Square frames for profiles you made in rectangular frames!!!
Margaret Michalski: I have a problem with local chat having this transparent look to it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: seriously, for the visually impaired the current viewer is hard enough
Composite Maven: I like one click to hide and reveal the sidebar--wish all windows had that. I hate closing all windows to see and losing things I' want to read later.
Hypatia Pickens: Me too.
Kali Pizzaro: there is something with search when you find a place it is not easy to teeprot
Marc Rexen: Try to find View Transparent...have to install the Advanced Menu, and even then it's buried.
Ju Roussel: giving slurls to users of other viewers............
Olivia Hotshot: For builders the interface is wonky
Hypatia Pickens: Me too for Margaret....
Hypatia Pickens: about the transparency of chat.
Jonathon Dunn: cntl-alt-t still works I think
Hypatia Pickens: Should be optional.
AJ Brooks: I do want to note that I sent an invite along through Claudia Linden for someone from the appropriate Linden team to come to out meeting. Claudia told me she passed the invite along to them but I never heard back.
Hypatia Pickens: I find that everything is two clicks where it was one in the old version.
Hypatia Pickens: You have to click to decline and then click to confirm that you've declined.
Ju Roussel: for toats' transparency, the only way so far is to hack the template yourself?..
Marc Rexen: The multi-line condensation is nice, but the extra space to show the name...haven't tried cutting and pasting chat yet.
Olivia Hotshot: Edelman Linden was my contact at SLPro..... he gave his name freely.
Margaret Michalski: Another thin is the camera but I did not have time too look into it
Kali Pizzaro: cut and paste is great
Ju Roussel: yes, all the double/triple clicking is bothering me
AJ Brooks: can you cut/paste into Mac stuff yet?
Composite Maven: Hypatia: Yes, more clicks, yet I lose TP offers and messages in a single wrong click, lol
Kali Pizzaro: mac who?
Hypatia Pickens: The camera movements were doubly placed before.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mac the Knife
Hypatia Pickens: Now you have to toggle between pan and turn.
AJ Brooks: don't be a smart ass, pizzaro
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Jerod Bagley: Yes, losing IMs is a pain
AJ Brooks: lol
Hypatia Pickens: Ha Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: ;-P
Margaret Michalski: Aj, I think using voice might be easier nice one button
Hypatia Pickens: Oh Agreed, Jerod!
Ju Roussel: you're not losing IM's, that's what the envelope icon is there for...
Hypatia Pickens: You close it out..... and have to call a person's profile up again to renew.
AJ Brooks: how have people found voice chat?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i lost a notcard with a wrong click but i did that in the old viewer
Kali Pizzaro: no problems with voice
Ju Roussel: voie chat great
Olivia Hotshot: Emerald Download - http://modularsystems.sl/downloads.html
Hypatia Pickens: I'm okay with voice chat. Works fine.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll just use a vetted 3rd party viewer to build, I reckon
Ju Roussel: calling selected friends = great tooo
Hypatia Pickens: Olivia... what is the point with Emerald?
Olivia Hotshot: Hippo Viewer - http://mjm-labs.com/viewer/
Logos Sohl: i like that i can see notices after theyve arrived
AJ Brooks: so - what is GOOD about this new viewer - what do you guys like?
Margaret Michalski: I have not tried using it though
Marc Rexen: Agreed, Voice Chat is working...streaming sound is a problem.
Logos Sohl: I think it's going to be much easier for new users
Ju Roussel: emerald = the only way to moderate/volunteer for big events
Del Hapmouche: I like the shared media functionality
Kali Pizzaro: voice chat, cut and paste, favorites, media on a prim
Hypatia Pickens: There's another viewer, Olivia.... a word.... Improvisation??
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Doesn't Emerald let you save your IP onto your Hard Drive? I know Imprudence does.
AJ Brooks: what is GOOD about this new viewer - what do you guys like?
Hypatia Pickens: Imprudence. lol
Ju Roussel: my own IP, I do know..
Ju Roussel: without Emerald's help
Marc Rexen: Nothing so far, but I'm not the target audience.
Hypatia Pickens: The graphics interface. Crisper... less lag
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Hypatia, their logo rocks, too: http://imprudenceviewer.org/
Kali Pizzaro: clicking an avatar and zoom in to hear voice
Hypatia Pickens: Things just look great.
Hypatia Pickens: I'll check it out Iggy.
Kali Pizzaro: finding it easier the more i use it
AJ Brooks: ok - so only a couple of people have things they like?
Composite Maven: Well, cleaner, modern look, I am a font freak,
Ellie Brewster: I think you get used to the menus quite quickly, although people complain about them a lot
Ju Roussel: no sticky notices from groups + shared media = the only 2 things I like
Ellie Brewster: I mean that claustrophobic feeling goes away...
Logos Sohl: I keep finding it hard when I come back to it but I settle in and don't wanna switch to 1.23 again
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how will students take to it?
Hypatia Pickens: If the JIRA list is listened to, and the bugs fixed, this could be awesome.
Olivia Hotshot: chuckling at Ellie's comment
Hypatia Pickens: But they need to fix the transparency issue.
Marc Rexen: They are the target audience.
Margaret Michalski: @AJ, I just have not had enough time to trusting it long enough to giv a valid pro con
Marc Rexen: Media on a Prim means Viewer 2 will become required within a few months.
Hypatia Pickens: I have this feeling that we're being discounted... that they make the fixes according to what they think will help only the target users.
AJ Brooks: So - lest reverse this - what do you NOT like about it (pick you're top one or two gripes if you ahve more than that)
Zil Jewell: Off to a RL meeting. Bye for now.
Composite Maven: Oh, outfit changes are great. The outfits are links--I guess--so even no copy items can be in several outfits
Margaret Michalski: my typing seems worse lol
Hypatia Pickens: Haven't we been complaining enough? LOL
Hypatia Pickens: Okay I hate this.
Jerod Bagley: AJ, I don't know if this is entirely new or not but I have found one can now right click text and copy then paste.
Kali Pizzaro: eh profiles
Hypatia Pickens: What is that dang red stuff in the middle of chat?
Marc Rexen: Sound and Sound controls...clear step backwards...have to go back at least 2 years to have had this much trouble with it.
Kali Pizzaro: too wee
Logos Sohl: That so much of the resources we have are out of date. Think of ivory tower's notecards. All obsolete.
Hypatia Pickens: Something about this or that not found?
Composite Maven: Yes? The red stuff?
Kali Pizzaro: streaming sound at first
Olivia Hotshot: My take - IF you are new, this is great. IF you are old, then it is a big jump, and people are not happy that functions have changed, been moved, etc
Alan Sandalwood: Gripe = No coords. I get disoriented , especially when operating high in the ky.
Portia Foxclaw: thank you all :)
Hypatia Pickens: Right!
Hypatia Pickens: Where are the coordinates?
Composite Maven: You can turn on coords, under world, show
Marc Rexen: Agreed Olivia...why I focus on the functions I care about and hope to impact with improvements.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It was a jump to use Onrez, which had a very clean interface, too
Hypatia Pickens: 1) red writing about objects not found. 2) coordinates missing!
Jerod Bagley: Alan, I hadn't noticed it yet. Wow. That's bad.
cyber Placebo: @alan yes coordinates are missing and it is a pain
Alan Sandalwood: @composite. Thanks I'll try that
Margaret Michalski: @ Olivia I agree. Once you use something longer you get the hang of things
Composite Maven: Many "missing" things are under World/Show, yw
AJ Brooks: so - who has some interesting use-case scenarios to share with us?
Olivia Hotshot: FYI - Bug list for V2: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestId=12724
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i say maybe just maybe we should read the instructions. I know it is a bit off the wall but hey ho
AJ Brooks: how have you used it that is interesting and you think others might benefit from knowing about?
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Logos Sohl: instructions? pfft
AJ Brooks: Jerry - can you make those items available on your parcel and provide a URL for folks to find them there?
cyber Placebo: @ Kali, be wild without instructions
Marc Rexen: The sound issues are technical...getting streaming stable, and interfacial...controls this critical shouldn't be buried, or at least should be surfacable through some tethering process.
Jerod Bagley: Oh thanks. Got coordinates!
Hypatia Pickens: (Have they just ditched the coordinates? Or are they hidden?)
Birdie Newcomb: yes, I miss the coordinates
Marc Rexen: Search is also a "too many clicks" issue.
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, AJ, if people are going to use shared media - develop a standard texture that says something like "IF you were using V@ you would see media here."
Olivia Hotshot: for people who ate not
Olivia Hotshot: are*
Hypatia Pickens: Bagley just got the coordinates... HOW Jerod?
Kali Pizzaro: Birdie look in world show
AJ Brooks: great idea - olivia - maybe the VWER can do that including our logo and provide it to members
Olivia Hotshot: nods to AJ. yup
Kali Pizzaro: woop woop where is the logo
AJ Brooks: our NEW logo - by the way - which is awesome and rocks
Jerod Bagley: World -> Show -> Coordinate
Viv Trafalgar grins
AJ Brooks: on the box in the middle of the table, although that is not the final version I'm afriad
Logos Sohl: I think there are still lots of misconceptions about what it can and cant do. I think therefore the Q from AJ about use cases is quite a critical one...
Hypatia Pickens: World Show shows coordinates?
Kali Pizzaro: bows to Viv
Birdie Newcomb: @Kali thanks
Viv Trafalgar bows back to Kali
AJ Brooks: once I get caught up - I'll be putting out an email about it and our awesome designer, Viv Trfalger
AJ Brooks: Trafalger
Kali Pizzaro: i read the feedback page and learned a lot hehe
AJ Brooks: grrrr
Marc Rexen: Also agreed Logos...so I try and not be too hard, but I've pushed hard in Sound and Search...and haven't found fixes.
Birdie Newcomb: finding stuff -- not where I expect it
Viv Trafalgar: lol
AJ Brooks: TRAFALGAR
Composite Maven: Hypatia: coords, parcel properties, ,etc. in World/show
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yay
AJ Brooks: lol - my fingers are still n brasil
Viv Trafalgar: ROFL
Jerod Bagley: TY Composite
Hypatia Pickens: YAYYY Got coordinates. thanks ....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't try to spell my name, ol' son
Viv Trafalgar: ty AJ
Olivia Hotshot: Has anyone worked with the new Tattoo layer?
AJ Brooks: ok - so - anyone have good use-case scenarios to share?
AJ Brooks: even prototype
Birdie Newcomb: tattoo?
Kali Pizzaro: not been wild enough
Hypatia Pickens: Now I can fly up to my sky sphere.
AJ Brooks: even if you've not used them in a class?
Ellie Brewster: Tan?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that is a cool feature, Olivia. Do tats mirror as in the current viewer?
Mimi Muircastle: RL meeting time at my Refuge - see you all
Marc Rexen: Help People were being highlighted in a TV show on Sunday...their whole training regime will have to change.
AJ Brooks: Jarod, did you get my message?
Composite Maven: oh, beacons too, for getting to a TP place from a common arrival point in a sim, world/show
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, it is now for new layers - alpha too - so shoe makers - for example - do not have to use an invis prim to get rid of feet to wear shoes.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia wants to put my RL tat on just ONE arm
Kali Pizzaro: mid life crisis?
Kali Pizzaro: only joking
Olivia Hotshot: Has anyone put interactive media on clothing yet?
Hypatia Pickens: They got rid of my feet??????????
AJ Brooks: use-case scenarios?
Kali Pizzaro: no but that would be cool
Hypatia Pickens: Can't wait to try, Olivia.
Kali Pizzaro: oh sorry AJ no
Marc Rexen: Good idea...:)
Kali Pizzaro: not yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali...I was still a young punk when I got that ink :)
Jerod Bagley: AJ, I got the one from you while traveling. Is that what you mean?
AJ Brooks: you can video stream your own face onto a prim box on your head
Ju Roussel: warning, most v2.0 users block autoplay of attached media... (shared media on clothes)
Kali Pizzaro: ah good point Ju
Olivia Hotshot: exactly AJ
Hypatia Pickens: I will bring up the issue of the tiny writing again. Do they expect us to view it with a microscope? or is it adjustable?
AJ Brooks: no - the one I posted just a moment ago in public chat - about putting your items for folks in a giver on your parcel
Kali Pizzaro: Great AJ Kali runs to do that not
Marc Rexen: That is part of why the media controls are hard...you have to unbury through Prefs to toggle media.
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
AJ Brooks: and then giving a URL to direct them there
cyber Placebo: Is it bandwidth hungry to play several media on a sim?
Olivia Hotshot: Also, think about streaming a Twitter back channel in world as a presentation is going on.
Marc Rexen: Shouldn't be.
Marc Rexen: Likely still a link.
Olivia Hotshot: I love that the media is no longer associated with the land.
Kali Pizzaro: this is going to be a great transcript
Ju Roussel: Twitter works nicely, yes
AJ Brooks: before people start to leave - I'd like to make one housekeeping announcement about next week
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone concerned about the IP tracking potential of shared media?
Ju Roussel: Yes Olivia, that is a huge achievement for us non-land people!
AJ Brooks: we're trying somethign different next week
Marc Rexen: I can now do e-mail In-World...yay...can't ever get away from work...:)
Kali Pizzaro: what is that Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it opens a privacy concern for our students
Composite Maven: Yes, concerned about IP tracking
Kali Pizzaro: haha marc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: let me get you a link
AJ Brooks: we're asking folks to bring ONE slide from ONE of their favorite places (educational) in SL
Logos Sohl: Not really Iggy, lots of IP tracking already in the worlds
Teachergirl Razor: yes it does present a problem
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, that was what i spoke about earlier - EASY to put media on a prim - less easy to understand the settings to lock it down.
Logos Sohl: *world
Teachergirl Razor: especially internationally
AJ Brooks: we'll put the slides into a viewer and then when your slide comes up you'll have 2-3 minutes to talk to us about why you like that spot
AJ Brooks: and provide a slurl
Ellie Brewster: privacy settings aren't that difficult
AJ Brooks: talk as in chat
AJ Brooks: public chat
AJ Brooks: not voice chat
cyber Placebo: @AJ what do you mean by educational
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2010/03/shared-media-id-danger.html
Logos Sohl: anyone using the new education directory btw
cyber Placebo: what if the land has educational value but no formal educational content?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "Second Life 2.0's Shared Media Can Expose Real Life Identity Details"
AJ Brooks: cyber - I guess thats open for discussion - a place where learning takes place
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Iggy
AJ Brooks: i'm not going to define learning though - thats open
Kali Pizzaro: ha clever man AJ
Ju Roussel: Yes, get your institutions registered with the directory!
AJ Brooks: so - this will only work if you bring ONE slide with you
Ellie Brewster: @Logos - no - I'd rather they just kept Pathfinder instead of giving us a SLed wiki substitute
AJ Brooks: any use case scenarios before we call it a day?
AJ Brooks: i've not heard one yet, I don't think - unless I missed it
Birdie Newcomb: does it matter if it's a texture or a photo?
Ellie Brewster: too soon, I think
Kali Pizzaro: yeah too soon
AJ Brooks: and this means that those need to be developed over time
Kali Pizzaro: in the middle of modules
AJ Brooks: i don't think its too soon - I'm just looking for ideas
Jerod Bagley: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Erudio%20Consortio/198/34/25
AJ Brooks: things that have been tried that COULD be used
Margaret Michalski: @Aj Jerod and I will be using a survey tool very much with the new viewer
Kali Pizzaro: ok well i could show a webpage that i think is good with xrays and we could discsuss
Jerod Bagley: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Erudio%20Consortio/198/34/25 You can find some sample shared media
Margaret Michalski: students who will take part in my research might use the new viewer
AJ Brooks: Jerod mentioned - I'm hoping he'll put those items he gave me into a giver on a parcel of his and then we can direct people to them
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes we're right in the middle of the semester, so I haven't been using it, would be more confusing for the students, which is why i haven't said anything!
Olivia Hotshot: In a nutshell: New Features & Improvements
* 724 Votes - VWR-812[c]: Ability to add alpha to base avatar skin
* 542 Votes - VWR-1449[c]: 3 New Avatar Layers - 2nd Tattoo layers between existing skin/tattoo layer and clothing layer
* 366 Votes - VWR-11397[c]: Smaller Avis without being Tinys or More features for poor Tinys
* 145 Votes - VWR-16455[c]: Allow inventory pointers to no-copy items
* 13 Votes - VWR-10311[c]: Enable LipSync by default
Ellie Brewster: OH, AJ, I made an interactive quiz using shared media
Jerod Bagley: Sure, Happy to do so.
AJ Brooks: great - jarod - if you can don that quickly now - we can give folks the slurl here that meeting and in the transcript
AJ Brooks: Ellie - tell us about it?
AJ Brooks: if not - we'll get it to them via facebook
AJ Brooks: that last comment was for Jerod, sorry
Ellie Brewster: There's a site where you can make a Jeopardy quiz, it's interactive, I did a Jeopardy quiz for International Women's Day.
Kali Pizzaro: fab
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I realize that I'll have to rewrite every help page at my syllabus for viewer 2
AJ Brooks: nice
Olivia Hotshot: If you want to see all the new features you cna look here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Beta_Viewer/2.0#Completely.2C_Totally.2C_Awesome_New_Features
Ellie Brewster: worked fairly well
AJ Brooks: great
AJ Brooks: thx
AJ Brooks: folks - just a reminder
Ellie Brewster: If you want to see it, it's on Minerva
Hypatia Pickens: Have there been any issues raised about the transparency complaints? Opened windows don't go transparent when not focused on.
AJ Brooks: ISTE is interview Fleep later on
AJ Brooks: on this same topic
Hypatia Pickens: That is a big problem for me. Anyone else?
Ellie Brewster: When is the ISTE meeting?
Alan Sandalwood: Bye all
AJ Brooks: Second Life Viewer 2.0 - Exciting Upgrade for Educators
The new Second Life Viewer 2.0 recently released for beta testing represents a radical shift in the user interface of Second Life. Will it ease the entry to virtual worlds for students, teachers, and administrators? What do experienced Second Life users need to know to reduce the "unlearning" curve? How will the long awaited html-on-a-prim "Shared Media" affect teaching and learning? When will Viewer 2.0 become the default interface for Second Life? Join us for a lively discussion about Viewer 2.0 with Chris Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque), project manager for the University of Cincinnati's Second Life campus and Second Life Ambassador of the Ohio Learning Network, a consortium of 80 colleges and universities in Ohio. To fully participate in the discussion, attendees are encouraged to download and install the new viewer at http://secondlife.com/beta-viewer/ prior to the session.
Location: ISTE Island Auditorium: http://slurl.com/secondlife/ISTE%20Island
cyber Placebo: @hypatia no I minimize and zoom a lot on objects
Hypatia Pickens: Sorry in typing that I missed the rapid chat. But I'm still concerned. I'm a builder.
AJ Brooks: 5pm slt I think
Ellie Brewster: @Hypatia I don't think I have this problem
AJ Brooks: Our time is up for this week - you are welcome to hang out and continue chatting
Hypatia Pickens: I have it.... and the other thing is: keep the chat bar focussed.
AJ Brooks: thanks everyone for an excellent conversation
Composite Maven: Hypatia: with a minimize all command, I could live w/o transparency. But without that, everythings should go transparent
AJ Brooks: and another great transcript
Olivia Hotshot: OK Gang, i need to scoot. Thanks for a great meeting! I learned a lot as always.
Ellie Brewster: Thanks AJ, for doing this
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers Olivia
Marc Rexen: Another good meeting AJ...thanks.
Kali Pizzaro: thanks for that last link
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ Great to have you back
Logos Sohl: AJ, what time is ISTE?
AJ Brooks: see you next week for our Favorite Places slide show - please do participate
CorDeRosa Loire: hank you all
Hypatia Pickens: Thanks AJ.... gotta run.
cyber Placebo: thanks great meeting
Olivia Hotshot: bye Kali! =)
Composite Maven: Bye
Del Hapmouche: Thanks AJ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks AJ and welcome back!
AJ Brooks: I think ISTE is at 5pm slt - not sure
CorDeRosa Loire: thanks
Kali Pizzaro: too late for you Logos
AJ Brooks: the time was not in the announcement I saw
Margaret Michalski: Bye all
Kali Pizzaro: get to bed
Logos Sohl: midnight, yes that's early enough :)
Kali Pizzaro: haha
AJ Brooks: It was great to watch the whole health care thing outside the US
Logos Sohl: midnight IS early Kali!
Logos Sohl: lol
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Ellie Brewster: Good evening, all
Ju Roussel: Logos, at least we get these 2 weeks twice per year...
Kali Pizzaro: yes AJ wo
Kali Pizzaro: indeed Ju
Logos Sohl: lol
Margaret Michalski: It is not great to still see you sitting here AJ. get some rest
Margaret Michalski: lol
Logos Sohl: It was a bonus tonight to have that extra hour
AJ Brooks: thanks margaret - no rest for the wicked, I'm afraid
Logos Sohl: oh dear
Kali Pizzaro: yep thanks everyone
Logos Sohl: poor aj
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: dang, AJ stole my line!
AJ Brooks: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you all next week