Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable March 2, 2010
Topic: First-of-the-month interview. Guest: Sarah Robbins (Intellagirl Tully): intellagirl.com
Special Note by Iggy: Other good links abound in the transcript that follows. Special thanks to Grinn and Lolly for the photos. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
We had a large number of Brazilian visitors, so for a while, I translated remarks by our speakers into Portuguese. Kali, who with Hobbs generously transcribed from voice to text, found that her translator went wild in SL?s new viewer.
My translator worked, but soon this solution to the language gap made the chat transcript very cumbersome. I then dropped the translation. I suspect that we?ll need to recommend translators for visitors soon, if they do not speak English. I have removed most remarks in Portuguese from this transcript, as the text converter ruined all of the accent marks. Apologies where errors remain!
Other SL 2 problems abounded. Here, Birdie and I looked rather cute when she spent the entire meeting sitting in my lap: yet another SL 2 bug waiting to be fixed.
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: Today is our Special 1st of the Month Meeting and our very special guest is Sarah "Intellagirl" Robbins.
AJ Brooks: Our topic will be Methods and Mayhem: Overcoming the difficulties of virtual world research
AJ Brooks: We will be using Voice Chat for this meeting. If you are having problems hearing, please IM Margaret Michalski and she will help you.
AJ Brooks: There are also signs on the walls of the amphitheater. The most important thing is to keep your microphone muted.
Birdie Newcomb: doesn't look like Portuguese -- wrong end of Mediterranean
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Olivia Hotshot: I will handle people with open mics - please do not shout out people's names.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Flicker, and KoinUp, as well as on Twitter as VWER.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the window.
Olivia Hotshot: 53 on the sim for the record
Intellagirl Tully: Woohoo!
AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but if you have a question for our guest, we will be using Google Moderator.
Birdie Newcomb: or "speak"
AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a web based tool where you can go to add a question OR vote on questions that have already been asked.
AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I'll ask our guests in voice chat.
AJ Brooks: Please note, Jeff and I will not be monitoring local chat, so if you'd like a question asked, please post it to Google Moderator (and also vote on the other questions that are there)
Birdie Newcomb: url?
Kali Pizzaro: translator going mad in new viewer (translator giving Arabic, not Portuguese)
Kali's translator: translator going mad in new viewer
AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also behind me above the Montclair State sign.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL @ Birdie...Kali knows my ancestors' language
AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)
AJ Brooks: Through this site http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44 you will ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.
AJ Brooks: As most of you know, my name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
AJ Brooks: Our special guest today is Sarah Robbins, better known as Intellagirl Tully.
AJ Brooks: Hi Sarah, thanks so much for joining us.
Kali Pizzaro: Sorry translator gone mad
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: it's great to have you here today
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll take that, Kali
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: News There.com (VW) that preceded SL announces closing on March 9
Profdan Netizen: lively?
Ignatius's translator: Profdan Netizen: lively?
Kali Pizzaro: i have removed mine iggy
Ignatius's translator: Kali Pizzaro: i have removed mine iggy
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: along with other VW closes..thoughts?
Olivia Hotshot: Good associated article: http://www.raphkoster.com/2010/02/26/are-virtual-worlds-over/
Kali Pizzaro: wonderland will come back
Ignatius's translator: AJ pergunta: junto com outros VW fecha .. pensamentos?
Ignatius's translator: Wonderland vai voltar
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: why is this happening and what do you make of it?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- Gamesworlds have a lifespan
Kali Pizzaro: SR- as social tools come out there is less need for games
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: it is interesting to watch
Ignatius's translator: SR-sociais como ferramentas de sair menos necessidade de jogos
Ignatius's translator: AJ diz: interessante observar
Kali Pizzaro: SR- Celebrity hah
Zotarah Shepherd vouches for Sarah on the teen grid
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: Tell us more about who you are beyond the celebrity
Marnie Mehler: I am the only one using it in TW in my dept
Kali Pizzaro: lets see i started using sl 6 years ago to teach at ball state
Birdie Newcomb: that is an oldtimer
Kali Pizzaro: i have also written with my husband write the book
Ignatius's translator: Sarah diz que deixa ver que eu comecei usar sl 6 anos atr¡s, para ensinar, no estado de bola
Kali Pizzaro: my dissertation is on 75 VW
Ignatius's translator: I SR - tambeim escrito com meu marido escrever o livro
Kali Pizzaro: so i have a wee bit of knowledge of VW
Ignatius's translator: minha tese de 75 VW
Ignatius's translator: ent£o eu tenho um pouquinho de conhecimento da VW
Kali Pizzaro: I am also the senior tech advisor for emerging tech
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey, the translator got "wee" correct, Kali!
Ignatius's translator: hey, o tradutor tem "wee" correto, Kali!
Zotarah Shepherd: You have provided many resources for research on your website too Sarah, so we can all do more research.
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: you've done some Research...tell us about your dissertation
Ignatius's translator: SR-Sou tambiem consultor senior de tecnologia para a tecnologia emergente
Kali Pizzaro: SR- my dad says you done with the paper
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: SR- my dissertation is about helping educators look at different VW
Olivia Hotshot: 56 on the sim atm
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I wanted to add to the language of why Sl is different from otheres
Kali Pizzaro: I created ten facets and how they link together
Zotarah Shepherd: I am trying to drag my Thesis cohort into SL.
Kali Pizzaro: i am defending it this semester
Zotarah Shepherd: That will be awesome
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Phd--piled higher and deeper
Ignatius's translator: SR-minha tese sobre a ajuda de educadores olhar diferente VW
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks about gameworlds, what is the diff between SL and gameworlds
Kali Pizzaro: SR- It boils down to 2 things
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu queria acrescentar linguagem da raz£o Sl diferente de otheres
Kali Pizzaro: SR- the relationship to user to environment
Zotarah Shepherd: Paint by numbers v a blank canvas where users paint original works.
Ignatius's translator: AJ pergunta sobre Gameworlds, qual a dif entre SL e Gameworlds
Kali Pizzaro: SR- as in antagonist, no allies
Ignatius's translator: SR-o relacionamento do usu¡rio com o ambiente
Ignatius's translator: SR-como em antagonist, sem aliados
Kali Pizzaro: SR- then there is the you to others but no competitive interaction
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i can define the difference with 2 facets
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: interesting
hobbs Constantine: AJ mentions that the community is in SL and hence we don't go so much to other VWs, and it make this what it is
Kali Pizzaro: SR- well the community could be in any VW but it is how we interact
Ignatius's translator: SR-bem a comunidade poderia estar em qualquer VW, mas a forma como interagimos
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there are educators in WOW
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: AJ: how many VW did you got into to research?
Zotarah Shepherd: There are also roleplay games in SL that users have created
Ignatius's translator: SR-existem educadores em WOW
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I did not keep adding as the simalarities are to similar
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Ignatius's translator: AJ: quantos VW que vocentrou para a investiga£o?
hobbs Constantine: Aj asks: how difficult was that to research, that's a lot of data?
hobbs Constantine: (SR : answer 150, but 75 made dissertation)
Training Scribe: In WoW our guild is the Azeroth Training Society...we are developing leadership and other training events there
Rachelle Munro: collected enough VWs to create redundancy
Ignatius's translator: Rachelle Munro: collected enough VWs to create redundancy
Margaret Michalski: that is a mess
Ignatius's translator: Aj pergunta: quo dificil foi a de que a investigao, que um monte de dados?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I have been working on my dissertation for 4 years. so i was unique as i need to get ethics approval
Decka Mah *nods*I know that feeling
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu tenho trabalhado em meu disseratation por 4 anos. assim que eu era nico que eu preciso para obter a aprovao tica
hobbs Constantine: wow
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I had to try to tap into an area with no critical mass
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Three articles when she started research--good grief
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there was only 3 scholarly articles
Margaret Michalski: still not many with actual statistics
Ignatius's translator: SR-eu tinha que tentar tocar em uma ¡rea sem massa critica
hobbs Constantine: AJ: asks was that 3 peer reviewed articles?
Ignatius's translator: okay apenas tres artigos avaliados pelos pares em SL
Logos Sohl: I've had the same issues. My solution was to stall for a few years :)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there was no scholarly mass to tap into
Ignatius's translator: AJ: pergunta foi que 3 revistos artigos?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- when it is in its infancy you have to tap into other areas
Ignatius's translator: SR-no havia massa scholary bater
Ignatius's translator: SR-quando ele estiver em sua infanacy voc tem que tocar em outras ¡reas
Kali Pizzaro: SR- is that because there is no need to talk about it or is your work unique yehaa
Kali Pizzaro: yeeha
Decka Mah: they weren't as busy LOL
hobbs Constantine: AJ: when you say people have moved past you, how so?
Ignatius's translator: AJ: Quando voc diz que as pessoas passaram por voc, como assim?
Rachelle Munro: but doubt any are as comprehensive as your dissertation :)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- There are some folk who are ahead of me but for other
reasons
hobbs Constantine: I have her diss, it's good
Ignatius's translator: SR-alguns povos que esto frente de mim, mas por outras razes
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I was starting from scratch. looking at it from another area
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i was wide instead of deep
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it is a difficult process as things move so fast in VW
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL I love that "researching virtual worlds is like wrestling a greased pig with a jet engine on its back"
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: AJ: so how do you decide where to stop (when VW constantly change)
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ but i got to get the doctorate at some point
Ignatius's translator: Sr_ mas eu comecei a obter o doutorado em algum ponto
Kali Pizzaro: SR - I can share lots of links with you guys
Ignatius's translator: SR - Posso partilhar muitos links
Kali Pizzaro: SR- when i have free time i am putting it out as a wiki
Rachelle Munro: would love the links!
Ignatius's translator: SR-quando eu tenho tempo livre estou colocando-o como um wiki
Kali Pizzaro: SR- to create a living document
Decka Mah: "Participatory design"
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i put out some chapters and wanted feedback from the folks out there
hobbs Constantine: AJ: If committee didn't want som of your Dissertation outh there, why put it out there?
Jarrad Voom: Thank goodness.
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ it was invaluable
Ignatius's translator: SR-para criar um documento vivo
hobbs Constantine: AJ: what is is about VW that made you want to research them?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I love VWs they are so many issues in education to change and be innovative
Kali Pizzaro: SR- this made me think out of the box
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I have reevaluated how i teach so this has been important
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: what type of research did you do?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i used a mixed methods
hobbs Constantine: AJ: data was involved so this must have been somewhat quantitative method?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it comes from library research to classify things
Kali Pizzaro: it goes from qualitative to quantitative
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there is narratives and statistics
hobbs Constantine: AJ; when you interviewed people, you needed IRB approval?
Ignatius's translator: SR-Isso me fez pensar fora da caixa
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu tenho reavaliado como me ensinar e isso tem sido importante
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I got funding and would not have been able to do it without it
hobbs Constantine: IRB - Institutional Review Board
Ignatius's translator: SR-i usado um metodo misto
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i needed money to fund an island
Ignatius's translator: AJ: Os dados foram envolvidos de modo que este deve ter sido um pouco metodo quantitativo?
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: meaning research using human subjects needs review to screen for damage/injury
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I did a deal to get the funding from an internal meeting
Ignatius's translator: SR-vem de pesquisa na biblioteca de classificar as coisas
Rachelle Munro: fabulous story! partnering/sharing resources
Kali Pizzaro: SR- Ball state still has that island
Margaret Michalski: Good to know! Will make a note of that
hobbs Constantine: lol
Ignatius's translator: vai de qualitativas para quantitativas
AJ Brooks: There are some great questions already, please make sure to vote on them (or add your own)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- If you need an island you need server space
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: SR- for the ethics IRB
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ i had to think about how to get consent
Margaret Michalski: Yes, they want definitions for everything
Kali Pizzaro: SR- as in how do you get consent from an avatar
Margaret Michalski: It is anonymous yet not because someone controls the avatar
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu precisava de dinheiro para financiar uma ilha
Kali Pizzaro: SR- consents from avatars caused them great concern
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu fiz um acordo para obter o financiamento de uma reuni£o interna
hobbs Constantine: AJ shared that IRB comes to us now due to research problems in the past
Ignatius's translator: SR-Ball estado ainda tem aquela ilha
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i had to write quite a bit to explain it
Kathryn Pleides: they couldn't relate it to screen-names on usenet, IRC ?
Ignatius's translator: Sr_ eu tinha que pensar sobre como obter o consentimento
Ignatius's translator: SR-Eu precisava de dinheiro para financiar uma ilha
Ignatius's translator: SR-consentimentos de avatares lhes causou grande preocupa£o
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: was that hard to do?
Teachergirl Razor: fortunately that is getting easier for research boards to understand now -- at least locally
AJ Brooks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Ignatius's translator: AJ pergunta: foi dificil de fazer?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it meant i had to keep explaining it
hobbs Constantine: AJ: what are some of the challenges of VW research?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- in general there is certain experiments which are difficult
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I need to try to get everything in synch
hobbs Constantine: AJ: other problems with random sampling?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 65 on the sim now
Kali Pizzaro: SR - very difficult to get a random sample
Tuxedo Ninetails: Same issues apply in RL research, getting random samples
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it is very difficult
Tuxedo Ninetails: You never get a complete list of all the humans on the planet
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: about data integrity and security?
Rachelle Munro: yes, sometimes purposive sampling is preferred
Alan Sandalwood: Thank you. Bye
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ when you are in a VW it is very difficult to protect your data
Kali Pizzaro: SR- some folk enjoy that
Kali Pizzaro: SR- hacking
Arielion Clawtooth: That's true hacking, for fun and not malicious
AJ Brooks: lots of great questions - go vote on them - select your favorites to be asked
Kali Pizzaro: SR- other folk will reject your data if your data is hacked
hobbs Constantine: AJ: chuckles
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Logos Sohl: Well that makes sense because the data would then be polluted...
Kali Pizzaro: SR- You need to ensure your data storage is secure
hobbs Constantine: AJ mentions: What can you do here in VW rather than in real world?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- you always worry about the researcher presence. Will it effect the behaviour of the community
Kali Pizzaro: SR- In SL you can hide to observe
Kali Pizzaro: SL- but you can also remove demographics
Kali Pizzaro: SR- so age etc can be removed
Rachelle Munro: what if I'm doing an auto-ethnography to see how it alters/enriches me as a professional?
Margaret Michalski: the advantage over having a camera
Kali Pizzaro: SR- unless you use voice then who do you know you are talking to, man, woman
Margaret Michalski: good point aj
hobbs Constantine: AJ: and other things like disabling typing function? It is a cue that "talking" is happening.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- yeah but you can make things more animated
hobbs Constantine: AJ: do researchers give off cues that research is happening. Is that a "tell"?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- if i do gestures in SL it can be more powerful
hobbs Constantine: AJ: chuckles
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we can im but we can not see that
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ soif that is important then we need to take that into consideration
Logos Sohl: Look at what happens when we accidentally tp in on one another
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ physical space is similar to how we want to be in rl
Teachergirl Razor: and those proxemics vary by culture
hobbs Constantine: AJ agrees
Arielion Clawtooth: Don't misconstrue when sit on top of your head. ;o)
Kali Pizzaro: sothis needs to be considered
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ however, we may have other problems why we are not closer
Chimera Cosmos: yes, by world cultures and by SL cultures too
Teachergirl Razor: indeed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we need RL metaphors at this point
Profdan Netizen: You don't want to wear out your avie.
hobbs Constantine: AJ mentions the fourth wall, a suspension of belief in VW, leads to expectations
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: like chairs and tables
Chimera Cosmos: as a start...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Stephenson's "don't break the metaphor"
Arielion Clawtooth: It adds comfort to what could be a very disconcerting environment
Kali Pizzaro: SR- Now you are getting into SL cultures. This is a familiar setting and there is a
Teachergirl Razor: yes Iggy
Intellagirl Tully: stigmergy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice word!
Chimera Cosmos: even better word than epistemology LOL
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to post your question and vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we could turn things upside down etc and see how folk behave
Arielion Clawtooth: the environment gives an emotional feeling that affects learning, too
Logos Sohl: In one of my cases, when students didnt sit the teacher didnt start the class. I think that's quite fun...
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ we can create experimental space in sl
Intellagirl Tully: i agree Logos! :-)
Kathryn Pleides: create a literal amphitheatre in the round, with folks posing around the walls and ceiling as well as floor!
Chimera Cosmos kicks RL for making me late ;-(
Arielion Clawtooth: But I'm not a fan of rebuilding real life environments all the time
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks (from Google Moderator): What are some of the unique issues about data collection for virtual worlds? e.g. Avatar identities, ethics committees, virtual worlds ethnography versus regular online ethnographic methods..." (Logos)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- lets expand there is another person on the other end of the line we may forget
Teachergirl Razor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy_%28philosopher%29
Kali Pizzaro: there is people at the end of the line
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we do not want to act as we would not in rl
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we need to remember the people
Chimera Cosmos: yes, very important, and sometimes researchers come in and think they can treat all SL avatars as one species
Chimera Cosmos: clueless
Kali Pizzaro: SRyou have another level to compare to rl and sl avatar
Kathryn Pleides: what about folks who change avatars for different roles or moods?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Olivia Hotshot: chuckles
Maximum Goldshark: lol
Kali Pizzaro: SR- mmr pg the higher men get the more they weart
Teachergirl Razor: many of us do
Kali Pizzaro: wear
Chimera Cosmos: nah
LenaLotus Latte: lol
Viv Trafalgar chuckles
hobbs Constantine: AJ: it is the opposite in SL (laughs)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we have our own discrimination
Decka Mah: nOOb vs prim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: students found that to be the most common sort of bias--noob-looking avies get dissed
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we check out their profile
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: even more than the race or gender
Logos Sohl: But you can tell when someone has created a brand new alt too
Teachergirl Razor: Iggy my students here too
marisol Silvercloud: That was quite interesting. :-)
Kali Pizzaro: she is the researcher at the mo haha
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: You had 10 facets of vws, the combinations of which would support different kinds of educational agenda. What different educational scenarios did you consider in the study?" (Logos)
Kali Pizzaro: go logos
hobbs Constantine: 100?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i looked at all the possible combinations of the facets and looked at whether the follow
Kali Pizzaro: SR- chitering ? need help here
Kali Pizzaro: SR- when we use consrtuctivist pedagogy it works.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yay! The Seven Principles!
Kali Pizzaro: SR- if not not so good
Teachergirl Razor: smile
Olivia Hotshot: it's in our Bible here
Olivia Hotshot: hehe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Key notion in Composition Theory
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: SR- in SL everyone can build and create . Constructivist build on old knowledge and creat new knowledge = deep learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: authors mentioned by Sarah: Chickering and Gamson
Teachergirl Razor: of course
Olivia Hotshot: really like that answer Sarah!
Kali Pizzaro: SL- the pedagogy needs to be sound
Kali Pizzaro: thanks Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: SR- ohhhh
Kali Pizzaro: SR- chapter 5
Kali Pizzaro: haha
hobbs Constantine: AJ: How do you envision education changing if mobile technology converges with virtual worlds in a full comfortable fashion?" (Ann)
Decka Mah: avatars will all be tiny
Decka Mah: lol
Kali Pizzaro: SR- never again
Tuxedo Ninetails: Pay me!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tux shares this link about 7 principles: http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/intranet/committees/FacDevCom/guidebk/teachtip/7princip.htm
Chimera Cosmos lines up for autograph
Kali Pizzaro: SR- ok here we go so right now we are in sl so sitting at the laptop etc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL @ Decka---tinies on the iPhone!
Kali Pizzaro: SR- so we may be multitasking but most attention on this
Logos Sohl: I have 7 windows and 3 tabs in my browser...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Logos--I'm old...I don't multitask beyond 2 things.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- but mobile will incorporate both vw and rl
Arielion Clawtooth: Augmented Reality
AJ Brooks: Iggy = luddite, not old LOL
Xann Kanto: i have!
Teachergirl Razor: yes
Kali Pizzaro: SR- augmented reality
Arielion Clawtooth: Yes, I am writing an article about using that to tag expertise
Kali Pizzaro: SR- so if they can geo tag rl stuff into a vw
Kali Pizzaro: then share with others
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--darn tootin' : we may lose the power to analyze deeply as we skim and dip
Arielion Clawtooth: Using that tagging to identify human beings who are experts in areas you find helpful
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ i can not choose
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i hover to the qualitative
Logos Sohl: Doesnt it come down to the research objective?
Kali Pizzaro: SR- but both are very useful
Chimera Cosmos: Iggy, I think those are both skills we need desperately, and some of us will find it easier to develop one over the other. But still need both. Not good/bad.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i have no interviews
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: Did you conduct 1-1 or group interviews? Can you speak to the informed consent process?"
Mimi Muircastle: agree @Chimera
Kali Pizzaro: SR- but in other research i used a note card
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chimera...agreed. I wish I *could* multitask but I get grumpy when students cannot get beyond their lateral thinking. Not all questions unpack easily and need deep analysis.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- but dont use rl consent for sl
hobbs Constantine: AJ: We are running ou t of our hour? can you stay longer for more questions?
Chimera Cosmos: Whenever the conversation veers towards Mark Bauerlein and "Is Google Making us Stupid" I get very nervous.
Chimera Cosmos: dangerous meme
Kali Pizzaro: SR- mmm good question
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: After all the research that is descriptive or comparative about VWs, where do you see the research going? in what direction?"(Grinn)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chimera I'll post the link to that and Jamais Cascaro's counterpoint
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i had to define vw which had not be done so that was difficult
Kali Pizzaro: SR- we are in a wee bubble
Kali Pizzaro: As educators
Chimera Cosmos: thx - as long as they are not Bauerlein clones I'll have a read ;-)
Grinn Pidgeon: like Early American literature was more descriptive than imaginative
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ what i think is the research will not be about vws it will be about other aspects of sl
Logos Sohl: Extrinsic interest in them is the way - we're interested in ed in here... it's the ED in here that's the thing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jamais Cascio's "Get Smarter": http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/07/get-smarter/7548/
Soleil Lemondrop: thanks everyone, must run
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ as in you dont need to explain what the vw is
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Nicolas Carr's "Is Google Making Us Stupid?"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/6868/
Kali Pizzaro: SR- no
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it was not what i needed
Olivia Hotshot: 56 on the sim for the record
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i used screen captures
Liam Gunes: class time. Great talk.
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: did you video versus text log (sorry text of questions was lost)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- form all 75 worlds
Kali Pizzaro: worlds
Decka Mah: thanks you Flickr
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ mmmm
Logos Sohl: Is there something about copyright on the screen capture?
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: Based on your experience in VWs, do you think that there is a growing or waning need for experienced instructors in VWs like Second Life?"
Chimera Cosmos: "yes" LOL
Soleil Lemondrop: If you are interested in interviews, join me: http://www.vision2lead.com/Interviewavatars.pdf
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i think there is a benefit to learn how to do it so you can innovate your teaching and learning
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, AJ, Intellagirl--time for conferences with students.
AJ Brooks: Please be sure to vote on questions here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.44
Kali Pizzaro: as you would anywhere
Soleil Lemondrop: thanks all, bye for now
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: aha--thanks for noting that Sarah
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there are so many options for teaching that some folk know how to do things and what works
Kali Pizzaro: works
Logos Sohl: SL Helpdesks...
Kali Pizzaro: so just do it
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: How were you able to know you were interviewing (or obtaining data) from unique users and not alts or alts of alts?" (Ann)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- you dont know you need to take that into consideration
Olivia Hotshot gave you Snapshot : Montclair State CHSS South Amphi, Montclair State CH.
Kali Pizzaro: you need a big enough sample not to worry
Kali Pizzaro: SR- for me the 75 worlds is the sample
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: how did you conduct your sampling
Kali Pizzaro: I reduced the repeats
Kali Pizzaro: SR- other folk let me know about all new worlds
Kali Pizzaro: SR- I used lots of other techniques
Intellagirl Tully: www.ubernoggin.com
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: Can we have some links to stuff you've already published?" We can add this to transcript later.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- Can i have a copy of your shoes
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Kali Pizzaro: SR- check out my blog
Zotarah Shepherd: I hope you do your defense in SL too
Intellagirl Tully: intellagirl.com
Logos Sohl: There is a dissertation being defended in here today I think...
hobbs Constantine: Aj: Sarah and I wrote for Educause Virtual Worlds
Logos Sohl: It's tomorrow...
Chimera Cosmos: Lyr = Leer AJ :-)
hobbs Constantine: along with Fleep Tuque, Lobo, Scubchris
Chimera Cosmos: Teddy says that was one of the most popular article sets in the whole year. Very cool.
hobbs Constantine: AJ says : Hats off that Educause did this
Kali Pizzaro: 55 still on the sim for the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: SR- plug plug there is a new book
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i will post the link
Intellagirl Tully: http://www.amazon.com/Researching-Learning-Virtual-Human-Computer-Interaction/dp/1849960461/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267573129&sr=8-1
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it is fab
Arielion Clawtooth: She'll be virtually signing them in the lobby. ;o)
Kali Pizzaro: haha
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks : Given that the SL community exists on SLED, twitter, linkedIN, fb etc does it really matter which platform we are using? Aren't we all interested in the same end game?"
Olivia Hotshot waves good bye and skips off to yet another meeting
AJ Brooks: LOL @arielion
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i think so. I think we all want to improve things for our students
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it has brought folk together
Logos Sohl: Well does it matter that the community is here so much then?
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ the community is amazing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sad that it's not ready for the mainstream, however.
Rachelle Munro: the Roundtable rocks!
Mimi Muircastle: great meeting AJ and Sarah - must fly off now :)
Arielion Clawtooth: It's all about collaboration, some of the minds just happen to be very young.
Grinn Pidgeon: thx
Jarrad Voom: the round table rocks
Kali Pizzaro: SR- if it gives us nothing else the community is worth it
hobbs Constantine: A asks: Why should writing instructors, from first-year comp to disciplinary courses, use SL? What are the best reasons for going into SL from the writing teacher's perspective
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woot--Rhetoric
Kali Pizzaro: SR- That was my first class.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it is about composing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right on
Kali Pizzaro: SR_ however, it is about designing an avatar etc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: composing in 3D...Sarah, will you just take over the NCTE?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia will be your flunky
Arielion Clawtooth: Instruction by deception...I like it! ;o)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- i got loads of engagement from my students
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it is problem solving
Kali Pizzaro: hahahahah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: go ahead boss man
hobbs Constantine: AJ Says that as moderator, I will take liberty answering same question.
Kali Pizzaro: bows to AJ
Kali Pizzaro: we are not worthy
hobbs Constantine: AJ says I also taught a writing class in SL
Kali Pizzaro: ha
Intellagirl Tully: hahaha
hobbs Constantine: AJ says theme was social issues
hobbs Constantine: AJ says I asked students to write about who am I as I write?
hobbs Constantine: writer*
hobbs Constantine: AJ says that writing happened at Blackboard
Ju Roussel: SL Milkwood Writers rock!
hobbs Constantine: AJ says he used engagement in VW to reflect engagement with social issues
hobbs Constantine: AJ says" by visiting places in SL
Kali Pizzaro: SR- my class built a physical representation of the argument
Kali Pizzaro: So they had to write the paper
User not online - inventory has been saved.
Kali Pizzaro: then in sl they built a museum and this represented the argument
Logos Sohl wonders how Sarah finds all this time to do all this stuff in 4 years with 3 kids...
Sloodle Toolbar v1.4 (Sloodle.org): Configuration received
beladona Memorial: like the rest of us -- no sleep
Kali Pizzaro: they had to answer the questions to get out to the party
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YOW--triplets
Kali Pizzaro: woop woop
Logos Sohl: lol
Kali Pizzaro: they have their phd yt?
Kali Pizzaro: yet
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
hobbs Constantine: AJ reminds us of Sarah's family of smiles
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins
Intellagirl Tully: hahaha Kali
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- okay no it wont
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this is my obsession...why not :)
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks Look forward a few years...do you think 3D virtual worlds like SL will ever attract mainstream faculty? Why or why not?"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true--faculty are prima donas :)
Kali Pizzaro: SR- faculty fall into a certain type. we like to show off
Kali Pizzaro: SR- you can not show off or impress with qualifications etc
Logos Sohl: Avatars have their own credentials and their reputations do pour in here too I think
Kali Pizzaro: SR- so some will not like it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: never thought about that...I always focused on lack of incentive and rewards
Esparanza Freese: it should be about the student, not the ego of the faculty
Kali Pizzaro: SR- it does not suit them
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Intellagirl Tully: Clay Shirky
Kali Pizzaro: yep it does not fit all. just like all media
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: getting promoted is not about the student, often enough. It's about research and innovative teaching in more conventional formats.
Kali Pizzaro: SR- look at chapter 11
Birdie Newcomb: that works
Kali Pizzaro: SR- woo, i did not look at that
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: How many different graphic engines are used to create virtual worlds?" (Birdie)
Mystical Demina: i think the question leaves out time, in the next few years i could agree, but in the next 10 years or more, i can see the workspace and all uhuman interactions continue to move into virtual world kind of interactions
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks last question: How does SL stack up as an educational venue compared to other virtual worlds?"
Kali Pizzaro: SR- sl was the most flexible
Kali Pizzaro: SR- gameworlds have inbuilt scaffolding
Kali Pizzaro: SR- there is a lot to learn
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true--but games and "play" can be exclusive..the latter can be open-ended
Kali Pizzaro: SR- SL still the best for flexibility
hobbs Constantine: AJ: great note to end on!
beladona Memorial claps
Kali Pizzaro: pheeeewwwwwwwww
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wonderful talk, y'all!
Tuxedo Ninetails: APPLAUSE!!!!
Logos Sohl cheers
Birdie Newcomb: tytytyty
hobbs Constantine: AJ: There are still 46 on the sim, thank you for coming to beour guest
Rachelle Munro: woo hoo! Kali Pizzaro: turning into a pumpkin
Esparanza Freese: great session!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia passes Kali a wee dram to make those fingers un-stiffen
marisol Silvercloud: Thanks so much. :-)
Intellagirl Tully: intellagirl@gmail.com
Kali Pizzaro: slurp
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy
Jimmie Veeper: Fun! and enjoyable, thanks
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks Intellagirl - terrific talk
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks AJ - great session
Margaret Michalski: Thank AJ
Kali Pizzaro: woop woop
Jimmie Veeper: Nice interview AJ