Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable February 23, 2010
Topic: Special interview with Jeff Young from The Chronicle of Higher Education
Note by Iggy: The discussion in text chat was, at times, heated. The transcript has not been edited by me, beyond spell-checking and correcting wrong-word errors that participants indicated in chat to be corrected.
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 57 on the sim
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
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AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: We are departing from our regular roundtable format today and brining you an special interview with Jeff Young from the Chronicle of Higher Education.
AJ Brooks: We will be using Voice Chat for this meeting. If you are having problems hearing, please IM Margaret Michalski and she will help you.
AJ Brooks: There are also signs on the walls of the amphitheater. The most important thing is to keep your microphone muted.
AJ Brooks: For today's meeting, there will be a zero tolerance for open mics and/or an other disruptions. Jeff has agreed to come as our guest and I'm sure everyone will treat him with respect.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
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Chimera Cosmos: Aw AJ we are a respectful bunch :-)
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Olivia Hotshot: 67 in sim
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the window.
Teachergirl Razor: Carole Farber Faculty of Information and Media Studies the University of Western Ontario Canada -- teach in SL
Tiny Submarine - AO: Could not find animation 'undergrounded'
AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but if you have a question for our guest, we will be using Google Moderator.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 69 on the sim
AJ Brooks: Google Moderator is a web based tool where you can go to add a question OR vote on questions that have already been asked.
AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I'll ask our guests in voice chat.
AJ Brooks: Please note, Jeff and I will not be monitoring local chat, so if you'd like a question asked, please post it to Google Moderator (and also vote on the other questions that are there)
AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also behind me above the Montclair State sign.
AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)
AJ Brooks: Through this site http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40 you will ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.
AJ Brooks: Before I get started I want to take a moment to publicly acknowledge the VWER Planning Committee. Much of what you see go on would never be able to happen without their work.
AJ Brooks: This is one of the most amazing teams I've ever had the good fortune to work with.
AJ Brooks: So I'd like to thank: Hobbs Constantine, Olivia Hotshot, Margaret Michalski, Mimi Muircastle, and Ignatius Onomatopoeia,
AJ Brooks: One other quick note - a disclaimer of sorts. When Jeff was writing this article, he and I did talk by phone. In other words, I was one of the people that he interviewed.
JennFor Ying: Yay, VWER!
Kali Pizzaro: hey
AJ Brooks: He also makes mention of the VWER in his article, although not by name. I don't believe any of this is relevant to today's conversation but I did want to be sure I was open about it.
Kali Pizzaro: what about poor wee me
Kali Pizzaro: boo hoo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Kali, our wondrous Scot!
AJ Brooks: As most of you know, my name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
AJ Brooks: Our special guest today is Jeffrey Young, Senior Writer for the Technology division of The Chronicle of Higher Education.
AJ Brooks: Hi Jeff, thanks so much for joining us.
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: tell us about yourself and your work a the Chronicle
Jenaia Morane: Hi Janyth
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff - thanks for all showing up and i am happy to take your questions on the article
Kali Pizzaro: jeff- i started the chronicle in 95, and cover technology for a number of years
JanythKU Techsan: hello
hobbs Constantine: Aj asks: what sparked your idea for this article?
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions or vote on already posted questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: article URL is : http://chronicle.com/article/After-Frustrations-in-Second/64137/
Brad Crumb: can someone post a link to the article again?
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff - i am trying to write for a general audience and look at emerging tech and get into the latest tech problems and efforts
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- we can be quite reactive to what is going on
Olivia Hotshot: 82 people on the sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wow--I trust your count Olivia
hobbs Constantine: Jeff says: some news prompted questions 'well, what is happening?"
Olivia Hotshot: double checked too =)
Kathryn Pleides: I see 82
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- every 3 weeks i look for an idea for the week. the guardian said Sl was dead and this spurned me to look at education in Sl
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 82 it is for the record and transcript
Chimera Cosmos: Sat by her at the first Metaverse U
Chimera Cosmos: 2 years ago
hobbs Constantine: Jeff says: Used Andrea Foster as an idea source
hobbs Constantine: AJ says: Andrea's article was good
JennFor Ying: (85 on the sim!)
Chimera Cosmos: print version just arrived at my house today
hobbs Constantine: AJ: asks how long did you spend in VW before writing article
Chimera Cosmos: but it was online last week
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff - I did a master on VW
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I remember Cybertown!
Chimera Cosmos: Jeff is not reading this chat, AJ says
Chimera Cosmos: nor is AJ
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i studied cybertown
Hypatia Pickens: I can't access the google questions.
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions or vote on already posted questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40
ffeldon Mint: Well, they said they "wouldn't respond" not necessarily they aren't reading it?
AJ Brooks: you must have a google account and sign in
Hypatia Pickens: It almost logged me out of Second Life to try and download the program.
Jenaia Morane: So if you don't use SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Cybertown still exists at http://www.cybertown.com/main_nsframes.html
Jenaia Morane: then how can you know about it?
Jenaia Morane: Why write about something
Teachergirl Razor: then why would you comment on it
Hypatia Pickens: then how an authority?/??
Jenaia Morane: if you don't have the perspective
hobbs Constantine: Jeff: has background but avatar is newbie
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I spent a lot of time in 2007. However i thought there was a change in feelings. I am still a newbie but i think the readers would agree
Jenaia Morane: Talking is not BEING inworld
Hypatia Pickens: HA!
AJ Brooks: Lets remember to stay respectful here
Jenaia Morane: and then you just reinforce people's erroneous impressions
Chimera Cosmos: but if you don't connect with the community and see how important that is, you don't "See" SL
Jenaia Morane: It's NOT just social!
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i have not spent a lot of time socializing
AJ Brooks: this is not an argument and Jeff is our guest
Hypatia Pickens: Right right AJ
Brad Crumb: so on what authority does he write the article? haha
Jenaia Morane: It is NOT just social!
Harnold Arnahan: He is not reading this chat...
Kali Pizzaro: but the article was about education
Chimera Cosmos: the community is about edu, biz, arts, all of it - about working in-world
Jenaia Morane: I know
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank goodness, y'all
Marty Snowpaw: the social aspects ARE the educational aspects
Harnold Arnahan: Ah good question... what was his research?
Viv Trafalgar: agreed @Marty
Chimera Cosmos: right Marty - totally!
Kali Pizzaro: Aj- what did you research for this article
hobbs Constantine: Jeff says article was about educational aspects
Jenaia Morane: but we need to address this in the Google chat too'
Chimera Cosmos: "learning is social"
JanythKU Techsan: Jeff, those of us that are really doing valid education in Second Life would be more than willing to help you see what is really going on here to engage students in learning
CathyWyo1 Haystack: learning has always been social
JennFor Ying: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40&f=4c06.1d4e8
Hypatia Pickens: Agreed chimera
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but has education?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: post your Qs to Moderator and AJ will cover them--though whatever gets said in text chat will go into the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i ended up going back to some folk in world
Brad Crumb: AH GEEZ, another "educated" idiot
Hypatia Pickens: Can't. Sorry! :(
hobbs Constantine: Jeff: word limit was ~1200
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- and spoke to some societies, NMC, etc
JennFor Ying: NMC hosted 250 people that paid $99USD to attend the SLpro Conference in-world, beginning today.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i spoke to folk who had suspended some areas
Zotarah Shepherd: ISTE?
Kathryn Pleides: But not this group?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I am going to the library conference the first weekend in March
JennFor Ying: Plus, that was on the main grid, how did they host tours to kids thinking of attending on the main grid?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I can't wait!
Chimera Cosmos: yes, talking to ISTE would have been important
Harnold Arnahan: But... did he talk with people that really DO education here?
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I went to the opensim, and saw the funding into those and i wanted to get that into the article
hobbs Constantine: Jeff: multiple sources for this story
Harnold Arnahan: There is so much that happens here that is hidden... MIT, Harvard, Stanford.....
JennFor Ying: Continuing Medical Education is a huge area here, that is actually , yes...hidden.
Rebekah Cavan: it's a pretty cool new interface
CathyWyo1 Haystack: web based?
Hy Nirvana: I'm using it now
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ moved the chairs far apart
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks In a recent report by the New Media Consortium, at http://www.nmc.org/2minute-survey/virtual-worlds, respondents cited the learning curve in SL as the biggest hindrance to wider adoption.
Claudia13 Rossini: (after 3 years i still get stuck behind furniture and plants)
Viv Trafalgar: it's not web based, it's a web paradigm
Teachergirl Razor: it crashed me twice
Hy Nirvana: much more intuitive
Logos Sohl: I'm using it now. Very contentious
Auden Breguet: web browser-like
Logos Sohl: Back button, forward button, home button
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it will be good once we get over the learning curve
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol
Olivia Hotshot: HTML on a prim and Flash is the best thing as far as i can see
Rebekah Cavan: i like having a "back" button!
Esparanza Freese: I downloaded, it but my avatar is all messed up
CathyWyo1 Haystack: me to!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I like that and it's quick
cyber Placebo: Where is the download?
Marty Snowpaw: The issues about the interface are a known problem
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i am curious to see that
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I like that I can all my land in one place
Marty Snowpaw: described by Philip as crawling across broken glass
Chimera Cosmos: any tech you are not yet familiar with yet feels that way
hobbs Constantine: AJ: prefaces that question with fact the SL has new interface coming
Chimera Cosmos: it's not about SL
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I have had a lot of comments about the furniture but i meant it to be about the fact that not everything works when it should
Jenaia Morane: Big deal
JanythKU Techsan: have never had one piece of technology that at times does not 'feel like it is working properly'
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions or vote on already posted questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40
Failli Constantine: Cathy, I'm presenting at the library conference in world next weekend
Jenaia Morane: The ones who are using SL effectively
Chimera Cosmos: it's an attitude about whether you are willing to work at it - same thing we criticize students for!
Kathryn Pleides: or avoid by getting, oh, a few days' worth of practice in-world
Trudy Takacs: wow 86 peeps and I'm still live!
Jenaia Morane: have taken the time to learn it
JennFor Ying: LL developed the new viewer because SL is considered very difficult, and steep to learn.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I think Sl is one of the hardest to master
JennFor Ying: Machine Interface.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I am looking forward to it not a librarian but super good sessions there
cyber Placebo: @failli any info on that lib conference?
Jenaia Morane: That doesn't take away from the fact that education in SL is working
Failli Constantine: I'll post the schedule
CathyWyo1 Haystack: remember DOS
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
JennFor Ying: If your machine is not up to SL , it is very tough.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: clunky
Hypatia Pickens: I don't think so. It's easy to master. Building is hard to master.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: maybe that is why it doesn't bother me much
Jenaia Morane: doing amazing thing
Harnold Arnahan: JennFor is correct...
Trudy Takacs: Yes, JennFor - I like the new viewer for ease/clarity
Hypatia Pickens: Scripting is harder to master
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Maybe i am unlucky but i find it a difficult media
cyber Placebo: @failli IM me :)
Chimera Cosmos: I felt that way in WoW - still do
Harnold Arnahan: Hypatia.... (grin) Scripting is easy... it is building that is hard!!
Que Jinn: But how about patch day on any World of Warcraft server?
Ellie Brewster: And other virtual worlds have easier interfaces? Why didn't you talk about the interfaces of other VW's?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes I felt lost in WOW
Chimera Cosmos: you have to expect a learning curve
Trudy Takacs: You realize when you try to teach it to noobs
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and Eve
Jenaia Morane: That wasn't the issue
JennFor Ying: Go to Virtual Ability's Orientation.
Jenaia Morane: you dissed education in SL
Viv Trafalgar: remember how non-intuitive using white-out when you had to type papers was? This is relative.
Trudy Takacs: exactly
Kathryn Pleides: But that wasn't what he was writing of
Jenaia Morane: we all know it needs improvement
Que Jinn: WoW goes up and then down .
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Can it be picked up in a quick way? I am not sure.
Hy Nirvana: I agree 100% with Jeff on that last point
Trudy Takacs: looking forward to see reaction from noobs
Jenaia Morane: that's not what your article was about
CathyWyo1 Haystack: wish I could recall how long it took me just to learn to navigate the Internet
Hy Nirvana: the UI has to be relatively intuitive
Andrew Fallen: How do we get a copy of the new interface
Marty Snowpaw: yea lets all use power point....wow
Failli Constantine: Virtual Ability has a great orientation
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- maybe it is about time but do busy professors have this time
Kathryn Pleides: If he had been writing about the newbie experience, that's one thing, but it's not what he claimed to be covering
Zotarah Shepherd: The more complex and creative the tool the longer it takes to learn. SL is well worth the effort.
Chimera Cosmos: maybe, but a lot of faculty still don't really know how to use ppt - the use the "ppt is evil" excuse LOL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or our Learning management system
CathyWyo1 Haystack: faints
hobbs Constantine: AJ reminds all to use Google Moderator
Olivia Hotshot: Videos and info about new viewer : http://virtuallyolivia.blogspot.com/
JennFor Ying: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40&f=4c06.1d4e8
Margaret Michalski: That i a good point on user friendly
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Kathryn I agree
Teachergirl Razor: but you required us to have a google account
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or referred to research that has been done
Hypatia Pickens: I will have to download it after I get it out of SL....
CathyWyo1 Haystack: many educators have discussed the pros and cons
Olivia Hotshot: If anyone wants to ask a question and does not have a Google account, IM me the question and i will ask it for you.
Teachergirl Razor: some are worried about google dominance
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I toured educational sims with one of our faculty who brought in a group of student new to SL and they seemed to be having a great time
Olivia Hotshot: 86 on the sim
Chimera Cosmos: Absolutely Zotarah
hobbs Constantine: AJ: how do you define online vandalism?
Claudia13 Rossini: content creation
CathyWyo1 Haystack: oh yeah and sometimes they are hackers
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- 2 folk mentioned griefing but there was some form of online vandalism
CathyWyo1 Haystack: my Twitter acct got hacked
JennFor Ying: When you think about it....the power of griefing really does speak to the power of an immersive experience.
Marty Snowpaw: there some hard reporting
Harnold Arnahan: Good question about the "common"
Chimera Cosmos: busy professors who recognize the importance of keeping up with tech take the time, those who wish it would go away don't (my own generalization hehe)
Hypatia Pickens: Right Jenn....
Jenaia Morane: Yeah let's hear how you arrived at you broad generalizations
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it happens it happens in Second Life and it happens online and real life
JennFor Ying smiles @Chim.
Hypatia Pickens: It's also an issue of first life.
Jenaia Morane: You made it sound like it happens ALL the time
Jenaia Morane: along with sexual stuff
Chimera Cosmos: very rare
Claudia13 Rossini: it's been years since I've seen a griefer
Jenaia Morane: That's not the point
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I felt like the description in the article was accurate but I admit i may have over played it
Harnold Arnahan: VERY RARE
Olivia Hotshot: very very rare
Jenaia Morane: It's very rare
JennFor Ying: It happens, but it is REALLY easy to avoid.
Cooper Macbeth: n
ffeldon Mint: Never seen it
Hypatia Pickens: You can ban residents
Chimera Cosmos: like 1-2 times in 3 years
Jimmie Veeper: Rare
Aselin Arrowmint: Only once in 1 year!
Willow Shenlin: yes. once since 2006
JeanClaude Vollmar: I've not had any
Marty Snowpaw: very rare
Viv Trafalgar: you have land management tools and it is very rare
Brad Crumb: Yeah, and I also saw it in Real LIFE TOO
Zotarah Shepherd: No vandalism on my SL sim at all
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Well, when we were new at Richmond
Kali Pizzaro: Have any of you bee griefed
Failli Constantine: we have not had vandalism on our island
Emilia Cornwall: very rare
Esparanza Freese: I have
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have not seen it in educational sites
JanythKU Techsan: I have seen vandalism in RL just like SL
Emilia Cornwall: easily handled
Marc Rexen: Griefing is way, way, down since the introduction of Havok 4.
Jenaia Morane: Tell me that we don't see vandalism in real life too
Hypatia Pickens: and limit your sim to specific individuals.
Sheila Yoshikawa: I've never had it interrupt my teaching
Artichoke Ellison: yes, it has happened to me
Reed Auebauch: never had an issue
PD Alchemi: not me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we had some vandalism until we learned to manage the land
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it depends if those sites are open access if they allow entry of objects
Rebekah Cavan: has anyone very seen vandalism in rl? that's a silly question
Kathryn Pleides: I've seen griefers, but not often.
Alan Sandalwood: Squatters, but not griefing
Kali Pizzaro: not to me - private area for teaching
Chimera Cosmos: right - vandalism can be a problem in any world
JanythKU Techsan: you have that in RL too
Hypatia Pickens: You check a box to keep people from building on your land.
Brad Crumb: bwahahahahahahaha
Logos Sohl: Griefing is a big issue for educational developers who go to a lot of effort to prevent it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we have avatars shagging and shooting
Ju Roussel: Interesting. St, John's Univ. is a privately owned sim... it's basically 2 people working there, by my understanding not very active in SL educators' communities
Artichoke Ellison: but it has never interrupted my teaching
Viv Trafalgar: lol @ Rebekah
hobbs Constantine: AJ wants to define diff between griefing and nuisance
Olivia Hotshot: stopping the progress of an event
CathyWyo1 Haystack: some educational institutions to that to allow students to be creative
Chimera Cosmos: theft from offices, graffiti, RL murder even
Brad Crumb: they can be ejected though...simple fix!
JennFor Ying: Overwhelmed the sim.
Energy Heliosense: i'v seen people upset over a wide range of bad behavior
hobbs Constantine: AJ: For example, griefing = dedicated attack
JennFor Ying: New Residents can cause problems, sometimes.
JanythKU Techsan: do we shut ourselves indoors and not experience the outside because something might happen in RL or we might see vandalism?
Olivia Hotshot: <-- is the VWER ejector - *needs tee shirt*
Zotarah Shepherd: I teach Griefing Issues for Teachers. It is not hard to deal with a griefer and it is a very rare on educational sims.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: so you can decide do you want to allow creativity or close it off and not allow access there are reasons for both
Rebekah Cavan: Good point: an attack is not the same as vandalism
Hypatia Pickens: This is for sims that allow access to anyone.
Energy Heliosense: group attack - one time is enough
Reed Auebauch: you can bounce nuisances
JennFor Ying: You have to plan for it, place protective plans in place.
Rebekah Cavan: we all deal with vandalism in rl all the time
hobbs Constantine: AJ: most experience nuisance, and most experience and there are ways around it
Jenaia Morane: Since it's clear that you have misrepresented SL
JanythKU Techsan: yes, AJ that is very correct
Chimera Cosmos: I watched a master avatar deal with potential griefers - shamed them by talking down to them and ignoring them
Logos Sohl: Potenital for griefing with new viewer was a theme at slpro today
Hypatia Pickens: Agreed Rebekah
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have had homestead that had open access and did not have problems
Chimera Cosmos: they left because it was not fun for them
Kathryn Pleides: I was griefed once as a newbie. Logging off and back fixed it easily
JennFor Ying cracks her knuckles and hovers over the eject button.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we turned off rezzing for non-UR folks
hobbs Constantine: AJ: there are ways to deal with nuisance.
Emilia Cornwall: Pleeeeez, I taught high school for 30 yrs.... lots of grief there, too!
Jenaia Morane: I want to know when you will write another article that clarifies your erroneous assumptions
Marc Rexen: Talking is the best...really, it is.
Energy Heliosense: vandalism accusations against an individual
Kathryn Pleides: Oh, hs - there's griefing and vandalism every day
hobbs Constantine: AJ: griefers want attention
Chimera Cosmos: exactly - wanting attention
Chimera Cosmos: the Anshe Chung incident was the prototype
Chimera Cosmos: youtube fame
JanythKU Techsan: correct, they just want attention
CathyWyo1 Haystack: with 70,000 or 80,000 people in SL at any one time ..there will be incidents
hobbs Constantine: AJ: there might be a false dichotomy in the question
CathyWyo1 Haystack: just the way ti is
Zotarah Shepherd: At the top of the screen AJ has set No pushing and No rezzing of objects. This sort of setting prevents many forms of Griefing.
JanythKU Techsan: it is easier to leave in here than it is in RL if something happens you don't like
JanythKU Techsan: you can teleport or log out
Jenaia Morane: oH PLEASE
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- the other point is the fact there is security in an event like this.
Chimera Cosmos: it
Kathryn Pleides: chat griefing - spamming gestures - is the most common misbehaviour I've seen
Viv Trafalgar sputters
Jenaia Morane: Give me a break
Chimera Cosmos: is the same as people being afraid to go to downtown St. Louis
Brad Crumb: they wouldn't make it in a real classroom either!!!!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have a mysty tool I can toss people and ban people from accessing my land
Harnold Arnahan: Same thing could happen in RL.
Trudy Takacs: all campus class buildings are locked
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol
Hypatia Pickens: Yes Kath
Claudia Linden: Learn how to use the tools correctly.
Jenaia Morane: don't send your students to real life schools
Trudy Takacs: there's security in all RL schools
Kathryn Pleides: Uh, but don't you have cops on your RL campus?
Jenaia Morane: might have water balloons thrown at them
Hypatia Pickens: Same here Cathy
Jenaia Morane: That is NOT what you communicated
Chimera Cosmos: incidents are rare, and don't keep you from traveling in RL OR in SL
JennFor Ying: Just like in Real Life.
Marc Rexen: ok, point made folks...:)
Jenaia Morane: NO!
Rebekah Cavan: he's backpedaling
Kathryn Pleides: No hall monitors in your high school?
Trudy Takacs: it's an open world just like RL
Brad Crumb: WHO IS THIS GUY?
Chimera Cosmos: new educators need mentoring
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i was talking about the fact that you need to di it at all.
Jenaia Morane: That's not what you put out in your article
Reed Auebauch: maybe the classroom isn't either
Rebekah Cavan: haha brad! i agree
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Brad LOLOl
Willow Shenlin: not all educators have land management powers, that's why they might not know how to manage teh land griefing
Chimera Cosmos: right AJ!
JanythKU Techsan: and learn the environment in which you are writing about
Logos Sohl: it doesnt take 20 hours to learn to operate a dvd player
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- you have some good ideas to counter that
Harnold Arnahan: Well Put!!
Marty Snowpaw: there are demonstrators at conferences on campus
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and learn the environment you are reporting on
Claudia13 Rossini: in over at Penn for a full year i've never seen a problem
Chimera Cosmos: and you can't do much with a DVD player either
Chimera Cosmos: you get out what you put in
PD Alchemi: what's with 20 hours?
Trudy Takacs: all computer labs have firewalls to prevent griefing really
JennFor Ying: Yes, using the Second Life tools to keep the digital assets managable.
Logos Sohl: good pt chimera
Harnold Arnahan: Newbie instructors - they might want to have a MENTOR.
Kali Pizzaro: yes aj it can be done in 2 days
Chimera Cosmos: new educators need to understand that you need to be part of the community - it's not just a tool or platform
hobbs Constantine: AJ: newbie instructors CAN learn the settings
Kathryn Pleides: heh - the danger with asking for something from educators is getting buried in help
Jackie Rexen: Kind of like a stray avatar on stage
Kathryn Pleides: probably had a tp miss
Jenaia Morane: I hope you read the chat log after this
Jenaia Morane: and realize what you have done
Jenaia Morane: read the questions on Google too
Chimera Cosmos: there are protests on campus, but it doesn't make people abandon them!
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- someone here mentions about griefing. I though this was well established
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it does happen I don't think we are denying that...
Harnold Arnahan: Chimera... exactly correct.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: however it should not be used as an issue of concern to say this is not working
Hypatia Pickens: Good Chimera
Jenaia Morane: Oh please
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i had one sentence on sex
Jenaia Morane: Real Life has some sexual content in it too
Chimera Cosmos: so do book stores
Hypatia Pickens: I have the article in front of me
hobbs Constantine: AJ: many mainstream articles mention sex, why did decide to go there with your article?
Ellie Brewster: who has the link to the article?
Brad Crumb: "and it's easy to stumble into areas designed for virtual sex that is, ahem, graphic."
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in fact that sort of activity adds to a learning experience for students , for critical thinking, for coping with these things..as these things do occur in real life ..it problems solving
Chimera Cosmos: and any city downtown
Jenaia Morane: Give me a break
Brad Crumb: like a dorm room? hahahah
Chimera Cosmos: just don't go there! Doh!
Rebekah Cavan: Something else worth noting: Negatives always get more attention. Try comparing the number of positives with the number of actual griefing episodes
Zotarah Shepherd: The Adult content in SL has been placed on Zindra.
Jenaia Morane: you don't walk around getting sex in your face
JeanClaude Vollmar: The Internet's content had tons of sexual/pornographic content too!
Hypatia Pickens: Right Brad.
Hypatia Pickens: It is NOT easy.
Emilia Cornwall: and why didnt you know that???????
CathyWyo1 Haystack: their decision making ...
Harnold Arnahan: LOL, Jenaia. well put.
Jenaia Morane: Why are you sidestepping what you did with that article?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: how do you cope and solve problems in real life ..these can contribute to student's learning and preparation in real life as well
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol decision making
Jenaia Morane: YOu perpetuated stereotypes
Olivia Hotshot: The last place he was.
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Chimera Cosmos: right Jenaia, not at all unless you are clueless and heading out without a local guide or any research
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Well i feel it is there. I have not sought out the adult content. however, when i cam e back in recently it defaulted me to a adult content
Jenaia Morane: and created erroneous assumptions
JennFor Ying: Prolly a skin store.
Marc Rexen: Adult content is as easy to get in here, or stay away from, as your local library.
Rebekah Cavan: ooh pinup girls. yikes!
Hypatia Pickens: My question exactly Cathy
JennFor Ying: College students?
Brad Crumb: sweet
Rebekah Cavan: sorry - that wasn't nice of me
Jenaia Morane: and didn't bother to highlight the really amazing educational work
Csteph Submariner: depends on your major
Hypatia Pickens: You can go to sites on the Internet!!!!!!!
Chimera Cosmos: it's like getting lost in any world, but you can't really get hurt here - big difference!
Jackie Rexen: Yikes - that is scary that a reporter didn't know about the mature sims
Claudia13 Rossini: (i think most students have heard of sex)
Olivia Hotshot: It is just like the real world - you make decisions on what you will go to and what not.
Brad Crumb: personal responsibility
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: students regard SLex as "creepy" and "lame" and think it's silly
Chimera Cosmos: that would be Larry Johnson?
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- my paragraph was about the fact i ended up here without looking for it
Chimera Cosmos: taken out of context I bet
Hypatia Pickens: HA
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I would like to see an article that discusses Second Life as a platform for education without referring to O-o SEX
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
Harnold Arnahan: There is that perception... but it is not reality. Easily avoided.
Hypatia Pickens: Not an issue.
Chimera Cosmos: not an issue
Aselin Arrowmint: It is not an issue
Chimera Cosmos: any more than in RL in cities
JeanClaude Vollmar: Not an issue
Rebekah Cavan: Not an issue
Swoozer Andretti: not an issue
Hy Nirvana: non-issue
Brad Crumb: Students have sex on real campuses!!
Marty Snowpaw: not an issue
PD Alchemi: not an issue
Failli Constantine: perception is a huge issue
Jackie Rexen: In two years I have never seen anything sexual
Thynka Little: not an issue
JanythKU Techsan: gee is there fundamentally sex in RL?
Aselin Arrowmint: Just as in real life - know where you are going!
Olivia Hotshot: it is an issue IF you make it an issue
Enelya Pevensey: not an issue
Viv Trafalgar: that's a really ill-framed question -
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Do the audience think the adult content is not appropriate
Jackie Rexen: NEVER
Zotarah Shepherd: Not an issue
Hypatia Pickens: My students are less protected in RL far more so than I ever was!!!!
Marc Rexen: It is the same issue in RL as here...
Emilia Cornwall: Of course there is sex in SL....just like in RL.... you CHOOSE to engage or not.
Reed Auebauch: not an issue in the classroom
Artichoke Ellison: not an issue
CathyWyo1 Haystack: if we discuss the use of second life for education..why do we have to bring up the sex?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No concern after the first term in-world
JanythKU Techsan: it is not an issue
JeanClaude Vollmar: The Internet is very easily XXX rated if you go looking for it.
Claudia13 Rossini: there is sex, just as in r/l...but it's not really seen on any campuses i've been to
Rurik Bellingshausen: Comparative to other media forms - it does not intrude as much.
Alan Sandalwood: not an issue
Failli Constantine: but we can talk about in our classes about how avatars are engendered
Trudy Takacs: still a lot of skin stores everywhere
Hypatia Pickens: Who the heck cares????
CathyWyo1 Haystack: what does that have to do with education?
Zotarah Shepherd: SL is for 18 and over
Hy Nirvana: ah, there is sex content on the INTERNET
Hypatia Pickens: You have to seek it out.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my students sign a waiver that any adult content is not "part of class"
JanythKU Techsan: if you are coming here for sex you will find it
Viv Trafalgar: thank goodness there's no sex in colleges
Thynka Little: lets not use the Internet in case we might stumble on an adult website
Hypatia Pickens: Yeah, HY, this Hy said that.
hobbs Constantine: AJ: Most people report that they don't see X rated content
Kathryn Pleides: There's sex in SL just like in RL. Just like in RL, you have to go to particular places to find it
Trudy Takacs: I've had administrators im me about a photo on XL Street
Chimera Cosmos: or any city
Rurik Bellingshausen: Although - like Trudy says - skins stores can be mistaken for nudity.
Esparanza Freese: before it was removed you could find it on mainland
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they can die for their country and vote..what they do after class is their own business
Jackie Rexen: That is why they now have a MATURE sim - this should have been known by a reporter
Rebekah Cavan: exactly, aj
CathyWyo1 Haystack: true
JanythKU Techsan: however, if you are coming here for incredible engaging learning experiences, you will find that too
Olivia Hotshot: If you want to find sex in the rl you can find it too...this is not an exception.....
hobbs Constantine: AJ: just like the web, look for smut and you will find it
Hypatia Pickens: What are we protecting our students for in this respect?
Harnold Arnahan: AJ <----- has his head on straight....
Kali Pizzaro: my class create a student avatar and if they want to create another to do whatever that is up to tem
Jackie Rexen: Mayber he should have had this chat PRIOR to the report
Kali Pizzaro: them
Kathryn Pleides: Certainly you're not apt to see avatars messing around on educational and recreational sims
Rebekah Cavan: me neither
Brad Crumb: I am not sure I will benefit from listening to this guy another minute. You all have a good day. :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ needs to get out more :)
Esparanza Freese: I stumbled on a prostitute and her trick, just the other day at a freebie mall
Kathryn Pleides: Jackie - yes!
Trudy Takacs: no frontal nudity? skin stores?
JeanClaude Vollmar: A Google search will give you "accidental" results too. But that's why I have the filter on.
Jackie Rexen: ; )
Csteph Submariner: Want some LMs Aj?
Chimera Cosmos: AJ has even owned art galleries - or his alt has heheh
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think we expected more from the Chronicle this is kind of tabloid and exploitation to get buzz going on your article
Marc Rexen: Sex drove the adoption of every new media technology...part of why SL is successful is because it allowed to exist.
Harnold Arnahan: Well, AJ has a sheltered life.
Zotarah Shepherd: You have to be age verified to go to the adult continent.
hobbs Constantine: AJ: says he's never seen anything of a sexual nature in 3 years
Cooper Macbeth: Second Life is like a country. Please consider that in future articles.
Sheila Yoshikawa: No, not for students over 18, which everyone should be here. I make people aware there is a range of things going on, but if they wish they can just stick to the safe places, like our island. |They are adults. As is being said, you find things on the web, also on the top shelf of the general shop that is 5 minutes walk from our dept (not anything illegal, I hasten to add)
Kathryn Pleides: Skin stores I don't consider sex. It's a part of clothing.
Failli Constantine: ty cooper
Trudy Takacs: you don't shop!
Viv Trafalgar: covenanted sims
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: one student was offended last term by nude pics in skin stores..but she then realized that you cannot see the entire skin w/o nudity and "got over it."
hobbs Constantine: AJ: I"ve been to educational sims mostly
Chimera Cosmos: the problem is how such an article is used by those who are doubters and are looking for excuses not to have to experiment
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is true
Cooper Macbeth: yw
Viv Trafalgar: hahaha Aj
Kali Pizzaro: However, my students are registered nurses so they need to watch their online
Zotarah Shepherd: I set up my account to not go to the adult places
Rebekah Cavan: good pint, chimera
Rebekah Cavan: point
Jackie Rexen: Yes and as its own world, it has red light districts just like cities with major universities
Chimera Cosmos: I'd like a pint too heheh
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and I used to explore SL by popping open the big map and just ploppign down anywhere and even doing that I didn't find X rated sites and that was before the move to Zindra
Zotarah Shepherd: An area can be secured in SL.
Rebekah Cavan: :)
Kathryn Pleides: Zotarah - by default, one has to enable the ability to get into Adult areas.
Kathryn Pleides: yes
hobbs Constantine: AJ: address the security of the learning environment
JennFor Ying: Enterprise version...
Kathryn Pleides: At least, that's the way it was when I joined last summer
JennFor Ying: that is security to the max.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- it is difficult to keep things private, LL did not tell me that this was possible
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes and I didn't enable that.
Marty Snowpaw: That is not the way Path described the conversation
Ellie Brewster: Ah HAH. The executive
Ellie Brewster: Wanted to sell private sims. Hmmm
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that default setting.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i did not think that would be controversial as LL did not say this was a non issue
Chimera Cosmos: making it private can be done, but it's not in the students best interest all the time
Marty Snowpaw: Jeff came to the conversation with preconceived notions and just wanted those validated
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the great thing about having universities and colleges on the main grid is the access to the many global population of sl that is unfortunate to go to the enterprise solutions
Chimera Cosmos: it is NOT difficult
JennFor Ying: LL knows that you need to become educated about digital content if you are to be realistic about privacy in Second Life.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i did not say it was impossible but is difficult
Claudia Linden: He did make a comment (#34) to clarify after Jeff wrote his piece. That would be Pathfinder Linden.
JanythKU Techsan: it is if you know about how it works
Zotarah Shepherd: Any land owner can set up a barrier for privacy.
Claudia Linden: http://chronicle.com/article/After-Frustrations-in-Second/64137/
JennFor Ying: Privacy means that you must recognize the limitations.
Chimera Cosmos: *waves* to Claudia
Claudia13 Rossini: hi Chimera
Hypatia Pickens: Why is this not the broadest audience?????
Jackie Rexen: Then maybe the title should have been "The Challenges of Second Life"
Rebekah Cavan: We are talking about college students, not elementary school. It won't hurt them to get out and explore
Claudia Linden: Pathfinder is the SL evangelist for clarity, no an exec.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- the point was to highlight the challenges in a broader audience. i said that VW was still useful
Claudia Linden: (not)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: because our faculty and staff are overloaded just meeting the demands of traditional face to face and online classes
Chimera Cosmos: *waves to both Claudias* ;-)
Logos Sohl wonders if there are any non-polemical questions that I can vote on
Marc Rexen: VW's are just like Active Learning Spaces, but have the advantage they can be used for Distance Education courses...they plug a huge hole in DE.
JanythKU Techsan: and if you will do additional research you will find that
JennFor Ying: Yes, AJ, perfect way to address it.
hobbs Constantine: AJ: define what privacy means, what ways to do that
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and we are in the beginning stages of designing how it can be integrated into courses
Kali Pizzaro: group chat
Harnold Arnahan: Correct.. it is easily possible...
Marc Rexen: just the start....:)
PD Alchemi: yes, group chat
Harnold Arnahan: to PREVENT unwanted people
Chimera Cosmos: Erica Driver used a tool for that
Trudy Takacs: If we could only let people use the one island for teaching, what's the point for them? How is that interesting or engaging?
Chimera Cosmos: separating in space
hobbs Constantine: AJ: it is difficult to break into groups where some cannot hear others (96 m voice carry)
JanythKU Techsan: unless you restrict to parcel
Kali Pizzaro: waht about voice call
Claudia13 Rossini: IM group conference call
PD Alchemi: group chat with voice too
Rebekah Cavan: IM chat would work
Ju Roussel: Yaay! is used at World Cafe
Harnold Arnahan: Rez a platform...
Chimera Cosmos: yes, use IM
JanythKU Techsan: IM is the best way
hobbs Constantine: AJ; it would be nearly impossible to stop the annoying person to be there
Emilia Cornwall: do a Skype overlay
Hypatia Pickens: good question.
JennFor Ying: Second Life has challenges, it is a totally new experience, an innovative environment. We invite you to come and see what is evolving here, because it is exciting. And we are solving these issues every day.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- one of those was to try the identities to real names
Chimera Cosmos: you can do that with titles if you want
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I agreed with Jeff on that point...but I defined "Control" as over my inventory and, say, back ups on my local machine
hobbs Constantine: AJ: People told you that they wanted more control, what kind of control?
Failli Constantine: yeah, there are ways to do what he says with SL
JennFor Ying: Blackboard and Sloodle both have portals into SL now.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is a challenge and not likely to happen soon
Harnold Arnahan: Failli is right... avatar names are never reused.
Kali Pizzaro: we have BB and sl integration on our test server
CathyWyo1 Haystack: at least with our lms
JennFor Ying: yes, Kali.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
Chimera Cosmos: heheh
Claudia Linden: I'm tying my virtual identity right now to my real identity using a user created tool called Dragon Titler.
Chimera Cosmos: not as sorry as you AJ!
Marc Rexen: Nothing can deliver the concept of "Presence and Trust" like a VW with voice...other than being in a real classroom.
JeanClaude Vollmar: Sloodle already. Datatel is developing connects to Moodle.
Zotarah Shepherd: SL is still the best VW platform
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i think VW is successful
hobbs Constantine: AJ: With RE to other grids, what does that mean for SL?
Marc Rexen: Agreed.
Kathryn Pleides: SL has its issues, but the problem is that they aren't the ones he highlighted
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @zotorah I agree
JanythKU Techsan: agree
Claudia13 Rossini: the success of virtual worlds might be that we are encountering r/l problems....
Willow Shenlin: Open Cobalt has an EduSim version
Kathryn Pleides: Anyone else going to the Sloodle demo later tonight?
Chimera Cosmos: people with platforms like Open Cobalt have a vested interest - not unbiased
Chimera Cosmos: still going up
CathyWyo1 Haystack: because of the communication tools, the creativity, the resoursces here, and the resources available from other educators
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Duke is trying to address this with open cobolt
Rurik Bellingshausen: SL makes a nice launching point for other virtual worlds. Rather than thinking of use going up or down - how are these worlds becoming more and more integrated.
Kali Pizzaro: we are also looking at open sim at the moment and is running in alpha
Logos Sohl: @ Chimera, we are all unbiased
Marc Rexen: SL has an economy...very, very important.
Logos Sohl: ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: less support for SL per se than immersive learning, for me
Chimera Cosmos: hahahaha Logos
Failli Constantine: yes rurik
JanythKU Techsan: it is going up exponentially as wel learn more about what can be done and the continued creation of user created content available
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SL is just the best implementation so far
Chimera Cosmos: let's start a group for that "We are Unbiased and You are Not"
Claudia13 Rossini: it's ont one virtual world. It's making use of all virtual worlds
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think Open sim is a great option ..and really affordable for those who cannot afford Second LIfe islands
Hypatia Pickens: agree Iggy
Rebekah Cavan: yes
Viv Trafalgar: yes
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Is this the future? Sl or which one
Logos Sohl: lol
Chimera Cosmos: it's not either/or
CathyWyo1 Haystack: As os Reaction Grid
hobbs Constantine: AJ: postulates that most that go to other VW, come back to SL
Chimera Cosmos: it's about the community
Kathryn Pleides: Has he actually tried any of the other worlds? I love the idea of OSgrid and Reaction grid, but the inworld experience is awful.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: ggrrr
Willow Shenlin: SL might not be here in a decade for it's part of an effort like the other virtual worlds to bring the technology further. Other platforms have similar problems
Hypatia Pickens: HA Chimera
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Reaction Grid
Que Jinn: Metaplace was great but never replaced SL.
Hypatia Pickens: Isworld experience is awful?
hobbs Constantine: AJ: time will tell
Kali Pizzaro: Sl is good for the collaboration between countries
Logos Sohl: Do we not think that universities would be more "comfortable" outside of sl
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I never felt the immersion with Metaplace..that I do with SL
Chimera Cosmos: and comments on the articles that commented on the article heheh
Marc Rexen: Opensim lacks a currency, as does the Reaction Grid...do not underestimate the importance of being able to "pay" for equipment, things, skills, and trades.
Hypatia Pickens: Oh good lord.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: hehe
Rebekah Cavan: haha
Claudia13 Rossini: nods to Marc
hobbs Constantine: AJ: some comments were personal attacks. Why did this article garner so much attention?
Chimera Cosmos: people are used to skepticism and are always trying to sell that this is important - so when someone adds to the load and makes it more difficult, they get a bit peeved
CathyWyo1 Haystack: because he lead off with weakness in how approached his research
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I was surprised by the reaction. I thought the article was no more controversial than other article
Ignatius Onomatopoeia writes for the Herald--you want Tabloid?? I can provide that :)
Failli Constantine: the rumor got started that SL was going bankrupt
Marty Snowpaw: the article was poorly researched and bad journalism
Rebekah Cavan: go iggy!
JennFor Ying: Hahaha @ Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i thought i had tried to paint a picture of the future and that it was not dying
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha I love the Herald ....
Hypatia Pickens: funny Iggy!
Ellie Brewster: I have to agree with Marty. That's why people were upset
AJ Brooks: Please post your questions or vote on already posted questions at http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=4c06&t=4c06.40
Ignatius Onomatopoeia <3 Alphaville Herald, chikkins and all
Hypatia Pickens: Yes Ellie
AJ Brooks: please go and vote on the questions that are there
Kathryn Pleides: Hypatia - for me, in-world experience in OS and Reac. grids was. They are horribly laggy, glitchy, and even less newbie-friendly than SL
AJ Brooks: there are many - and some good ones
JennFor Ying: Welcome to the slow plod of adoption.
Kathryn Pleides: Yay Iggy!
Failli Constantine: facebook wasn't even popular in 2001
Margaret Michalski: I feel the article was written the way it was due to the lack of experience in SL & Education
JanythKU Techsan: because educators struggle greatly to garner support for wonderful ideas to engage student learning and the article just makes it way harder to garner administration or grant support
Hypatia Pickens: That's what I heard Kathy
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- maybe i made a suggestions that VWs may not be as popular as we thought
Chimera Cosmos: and most faculty I know still don't use FB or twitter - and think they are stupid
Rebekah Cavan: AGree with Margarer
Jackie Rexen: He needs to look at the K-Zero - and the use of vws by the kids!
JanythKU Techsan: that is a very sad result in an article of this nature
Olivia Hotshot: Kathyrn, you are on the cutting edge. You'll have to wait awhile to get the McDonalds version of virtual worlds. =)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I can remember when Facebook required .edu email address to get an accoutn
Marty Snowpaw: that is not personal criticism
Chimera Cosmos: it will be awhile, but we will get there
Hypatia Pickens: Maybe it is in its beta stage.
Claudia13 Rossini: totally
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The UI is hard to master...how many educators use complex apps like GIS in their teaching?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: well believe it or not..
Viv Trafalgar: me too Chi
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I do agree
Hypatia Pickens: Maybe SL is improving the way all technologies do!!!
Marty Snowpaw: Claudia tell him how large the educational population is in SL
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i would personally love it if it was easier to use,
Kathryn Pleides: Olivia - heh; I'd just like one that actually works on my 4-month old machine!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it's not because I think SL is bad in any way or virtual worlds are
Marty Snowpaw: 700 plus universities
Failli Constantine: yeah, we are still a ways off b4 virtual worlds are the new facebook
Claudia Linden: 5500 + members on SLED list
Rebekah Cavan: Yes, it will
Olivia Hotshot: The UI is hard to master.... even with a PhD? *chuckling*
Hypatia Pickens: The 3D is emerging.
Chimera Cosmos: it has already emerged
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I think it is a cool idea and i still wonder if they will catch on
Claudia Linden: over 700 institutions own their own islands.
Claudia Linden: :D
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but I think we are light years from having the technical infrastructure to support widespread adoption
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: system reqs and faculty reward/incentive structures discourage widespread adoption
JennFor Ying: Ph.D. in what subject?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Jinks
Emilia Cornwall: Duh
Claudia13 Rossini: university of Penn now owns 2 sims
JennFor Ying: Good question!!!!
Chimera Cosmos: yes, and tour a LOT more places
hobbs Constantine: AJ: are you considering a follow up article?
Hypatia Pickens: Good question!!!
Cooper Macbeth: Anyone know the % of people in college/universities?
Kali Pizzaro: 77 on the sim for the transcript
Chimera Cosmos: it needs a series, not just one
Jackie Rexen: This is actually a "no"
Elphaba Helendale: of course you'd say that
Elphaba Helendale: lol
Hypatia Pickens: Right.
Csteph Submariner: students who arrive as undergrads in a few years will be far more comfortable in the VW paradigm
Aselin Arrowmint: lol
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- probably
JennFor Ying: Fine, MISS the GOOD STORRY then!!!
Marty Snowpaw: Come to VWBPE find out what educators are really doing
Kathryn Pleides: That's not even considering all the *other* education taking place in SL - folks visiting museums, libraries, sims like NASA, etc. etc.
Olivia Hotshot: Next article, he needs to come here and do some research.
Jackie Rexen: Yes Marty
Marty Snowpaw: www.vwbpe.com
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- this is a huge benefit being at this meeting. Not sure the format yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia dreads "editing" the transcript..so I won't :)
Emilia Cornwall: Yes, be one of the 5000 who come to VWBPE!!
Elphaba Helendale: until you've heard everything?
Cooper Macbeth: 25 Million kids use vw and will hit college in 5 to 7 years. That
Elphaba Helendale: what was this talk?
Hypatia Pickens: Why do we think that something like SL is NOT going to improve?
Cooper Macbeth: is much more than 4%.
Teachergirl Razor: smile Iggy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but but all my typos
Rebekah Cavan: Yes! He should attend VWBPE!
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- but there is obvious passion here
Ellie Brewster: Do your homework, Jeff.
Jackie Rexen: Need to do your research Kids' Virtual Worlds Gain Traction
By 2012, 50% of kids online will use them, per eMarketer - http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/digital/e3i9659c5aa3ebf28066173dde9ce1c5366
Marty Snowpaw: Very passionate about being accurate in your reporting
JennFor Ying: Jeff-- watch Shamblesguru present at TED: http://vimeo.com/9430042
Marc Rexen: Some of the best, recent music, I've heard has been in SL...but it's not marketed, nor is much of anything I can see...07 saw tons of marketing...what happened?
Hypatia Pickens: I'm with Marty there.
Teachergirl Razor: I hope you get more experience Jeff
hobbs Constantine: AJ: there is a long chat transcript here
Margaret Michalski: @ Olivia, I think now that there is some knowledge in various vw it would be written much better
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Shamblesguru is amazing
Hypatia Pickens: Will this be posted again on SLED?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: underscore immersive education
Hypatia Pickens: I can't get to Google from here.
Marty Snowpaw: Not immersive education....we are talking about Second Life
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes two different things
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- yeah, but I think the statements were backed up
Hypatia Pickens: "some colleges." WHICH colleges/
Hypatia Pickens: ?
Marty Snowpaw: backed up but wrong
hobbs Constantine: AJ: asks question from Moderator along the lines of a rewrite?
Hypatia Pickens: Morgan; "weasel words."
Jackie Rexen: Wow - this is the Chronicle not a tabloid
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- Nothing here has convinced me that i was wrong
Chimera Cosmos: some may feel that way, but the point is, they are in the minority
Elphaba Helendale: exactly, Jackie!
Kathryn Pleides: Hypatia - there were some good blog about that over on the Elf Clan blog recently; about LL business practice. http://elfclan.ning.com/profiles/blog/list?user=k26qhb3spjuw
Margaret Michalski: voice is breaking a bit
Csteph Submariner: No, then
Rebekah Cavan: Gotta run. I have to get to a class in 8 minutes in RL. Look forward to the transcript. Thanks AJ and everyone!
Chimera Cosmos: and article made it sound like they were the main opinion on SL
Marty Snowpaw: Journalism is to be BALANCVED
JennFor Ying: Subtle shading is a challenge to express and decipher.
Olivia Hotshot: Love letters to us.
Marty Snowpaw: this was not
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I tried to condense the problems in the word count i had
JanythKU Techsan: I think that is the issue with most of us, your article was not accurate
Marc Rexen: No, it's been clear there's been a malaise in SL for a year...could be the economy, but, I'm not convinced of it.
Kathryn Pleides: Not accurate, and not clear that it was a newbie / person unfamiliar with the world POV
Marty Snowpaw: you were
Willow Shenlin: If some interviewed educators mentioned that their institutions left SL, i'd really want to know why. what works and why and what did not and why not is importnat to know. please do share.
Cooper Macbeth: PLEASE ATTEND VWBPE if you want to comment again about Second Life.
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks : You seemed to emphasize a lot of the negative aspects of Second Life in the first half of the article. What was the purpose of degrading SL before exploring some of the new developments in other virtual worlds?"
Teachergirl Razor: I teach in a faculty that has Journalism students -- wish they were here
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I was not trying to trash Sl. I was trying to be balanced
Jackie Rexen: It was the title of the actual - didn't sound balanced
AJ Brooks: please vote on questions
Jackie Rexen: article
Chimera Cosmos: but the Chronicle platform is huge and admins read it!
Enelya Pevensey: got the sense? Yes.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marty...not trashing so much as calling our hard work into question
Claudia Linden: A balanced account would feature some of the many positive projects in SL.
Claudia13 Rossini: (and if SL is going bankrupt my sim tiers should keep them in the black)
Chimera Cosmos: other articles don't get that kind of penetration
Failli Constantine: I have read a lot of great articles on SL
Marc Rexen: It was reasonably balanced...and does raise valid issues that should be addressed.
JanythKU Techsan: no, there are a lot of good articles on virtual world education
Failli Constantine: exploring the possibilities
Ignatius Onomatopoeia can imagine admins saying "well, pull the plug on THAT investment on our campus"
Teachergirl Razor: indeed
Jackie Rexen: @Marc - again it was the title that may have been problematic
Hypatia Pickens: But this article scares people away unnecessarily
Viv Trafalgar: Good Question!
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- It sounds like everyone disagrees with what is wrong with sl
Marty Snowpaw: Thats scary what he just said
Failli Constantine: yes Hypatia
hobbs Constantine: AJ asks: How many educational campuses/activities did Jeff attend prior to writing this article?"
Artichoke Ellison: good question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia agrees with Hypatia...that link "RIP Second Life" steamed me.
Logos Sohl: good question willow
Marc Rexen: I know, I knee-jerked as well, but I read it, and it is generally reflective of the last year...again, I suspect it's mostly the economy.
Ellie Brewster: Not productive.... not... productive...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and I've slammed SL and LL a lot in my blog. But I ain't no Chronicle. It's a Q of ethos.
Viv Trafalgar: you needed that disclaimer - at the top, not a headline.
Ellie Brewster: Not productive to talk about his sources
Chimera Cosmos: exactly Iggy
Marc Rexen: Education is 10% of the total within SL...they are, and have to be, driven by the greater whole.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i am being as candid as possible but i feel i am giving my personal opinion
CathyWyo1 Haystack: well a few years ago SL marketed this last year they worked on sl 2.0 lol
Hypatia Pickens: damaging unnecessarily.
Zotarah Shepherd: The title was sensationalist.
Cooper Macbeth: Your job is to correct misinformation not support it.
Aselin Arrowmint: This was not an opinion column
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i have had support as well as some other comments
JeanClaude Vollmar: I thought the raised valid concerns, but it didn't address the ways to that we have already addressed them.
Chimera Cosmos: it's like you can criticize your mama, but no one else gets too!
Elphaba Helendale: it's already happened!
Marc Rexen: Educators have always been on the edges, both in RL and SL...yes, we're critically important, but when business meets education, education often suffers.
Viv Trafalgar: it is happening :)
Failli Constantine: exactly jeanclaude
Hypatia Pickens: Ha Chimera.
Csteph Submariner: It's the herd view of SL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it's happening
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes
JanythKU Techsan: frankly I think we are all pioneers on what IS happening
Marc Rexen: It is why educators have to educate.
Hypatia Pickens: Hi Csteph
CathyWyo1 Haystack: soon 3d will be ubiquitous
Chimera Cosmos: and I mean that as a supportive comment - you have to know someone to have the right to criticize
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I just said that because I like the word
Failli Constantine: in our individual campuses/events/classes we are addressing the negative sides of SL
Thynka Little: i think there should be a feedback opportunity in the Chronicle
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol
Csteph Submariner: Hi Hypatia :)
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I would like to know if you guys think it is going to catch on in the mainstream
Zotarah Shepherd: 85 people on the sim
JennFor Ying: Welcome to the Future.
Marc Rexen: This interface is incredibly valuable, and needs to "helped to grow and thrive."
Olivia Hotshot: We educators, are doing the best we can with what we have. Lets stay positive.
Chimera Cosmos: wow Zotarah
hobbs Constantine: AJ: perhaps you can come back for a smaller text chat meeting
Chimera Cosmos: is that a record here?
Hypatia Pickens: Good Olivia
Margaret Michalski: I don't here you AJ?
JennFor Ying: Yes, Marc, good points.
Olivia Hotshot: 70 people on sim
Failli Constantine: exactly, being positive
Teachergirl Razor: what is the mainstream?
Hypatia Pickens: Only 30 more allowed. :)
hobbs Constantine: AJ: would you be willing to follow several educators delivering real virtual world courses so you can gain an accurate and valid perspective?"
Teachergirl Razor: here we are
JanythKU Techsan: no, I meant accurate and valid when I posted the question
Esparanza Freese: Dav you are welcome to visit my course in SL
Hypatia Pickens: Isn't that the requirement of an informed article?
Failli Constantine: yeah I'm in a great one too
JanythKU Techsan: I invite you anytime, Jeff
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or tour experiential builds
Chimera Cosmos: it's not just sitting in - its coming to understand and become part of the diverse community - in order to "get" how transformative it is
JennFor Ying: Jeff, you went through the beginners experience, and wrote an article. However, it's not a Tabloid story, it's a New Yorker story.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- sure, maybe if i did go to other events then i would have a different opinion. But i still saw a lot of issues even when passion was shown
Chimera Cosmos: not just about "seeing"
Marc Rexen: So we educate...and recognize that one wandering around SL will see 90% business and 10% education...long odds...same chance you have in our city of aliens landing on campus. :)
Csteph Submariner: Come see what we built
Ellie Brewster: Looks like we should be writing our own stories
Aselin Arrowmint: @Chimera - good point
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i would be willing to take a fresh look
Jackie Rexen: Yes Ellie!
Teachergirl Razor: Ellie good point
Marc Rexen: So I worry about the business side, because I know it has to survive, for the place to exist.
Chimera Cosmos: yes, excellent
Marty Snowpaw: Yes....
Hypatia Pickens: Good question!!!
Csteph Submariner: Yes AJ
JennFor Ying: VWBPE-2010 March 12-13th
Zotarah Shepherd: Talk with people in the large Educational groups like ISTE and campuses like Ohio state and Texas. See the immersive subject builds
Marty Snowpaw: I will be happy to guide him
Chimera Cosmos: many people come away from those with their viewpoint absolutely transformed
hobbs Constantine: AJ: Will you commit to attending the VWBPE conference to see for yourself?" (consider)
JanythKU Techsan: you really need to attend
JennFor Ying: www.vwbpe.org
Cooper Macbeth: Over 5,000 attendees are currently anticipated.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 5000!
JennFor Ying: 12 and 13th
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- yeah some of it
Marty Snowpaw: there are 150 proposals
Que Jinn: runs 48 hours straight
Cooper Macbeth: I think there are 30 sims
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay
CathyWyo1 Haystack: There are 5000 people registered?
Emilia Cornwall: all day and night
CathyWyo1 Haystack: wow
JennFor Ying: 48 hours of content and presios
Marty Snowpaw: thank you AJ
Marc Rexen: We're educators...and 70 of us...good luck...:)
Hypatia Pickens hopes her plane comes back in time.
Marty Snowpaw: very grateful for that
hobbs Constantine: AJ: What do YOU see as the future of virtual education?"
Emilia Cornwall: YAY
JennFor Ying: There are 5000 expected based upon current registrations and commitments
Chimera Cosmos: COMMUNITY
Elphaba Helendale: yeah, 48 hours straight, over 150 proposals...but SL is dead, right? grr
Teachergirl Razor: articles such as this could affect funding for innovative teaching and learning
Hypatia Pickens: community community
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- uncertainty, education seems to be still there and growing
Cooper Macbeth: Hope everyone here can make it. See http://www.vwbpe.org/
Emilia Cornwall: they are reworking the sims to accommodate the huge number of proposals
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- business seems to be giving it up
ALALibraryVal Miles: There's also the upcoming The Future is Now: Libraries and Museums in Virtual Worlds (March 5 and 6, 2010) - http://www.opal-online.org/finindex.htm
Ju Roussel: Nature Network IS BACK
Chimera Cosmos: Reuters guy had an attitude problem in general
Csteph Submariner: ya think?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: be happy that Second Life is not pushing the hype and pr that hey are now focusing on making SL the best it can be
Marty Snowpaw: READ KARL KAPPA AND TONY O'DRISCOLS BOOK 3D LEARNING
Chimera Cosmos: Nature people were cool, and sorry they had to go
Teachergirl Razor: yes Val
Marc Rexen: I lost a "best friend and great instructional designer" to the "first hour issues," they are very real to me and a driver.
JanythKU Techsan: we are convinced there IS a way
JennFor Ying: Companies have found that static doesn't cut it....dynamic, interactive content is brilliant
Willow Shenlin: but thinking in 3D is different than typical 2D marketing
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- maybe education is the long term solution. if the ease of use improves and it can beat other technology
JennFor Ying: And IBM is leading the adoption there.
Chimera Cosmos: people thought email would never be mainstream in education, or the web
CathyWyo1 Haystack: wonders if I can get that on kindle
ALALibraryVal Miles: Virtual Worlds, Real Libraries book - http://www.virtualworldsreallibraries.info
Ju Roussel: Nature people are back - 4 islands Second Nature sim. It's beautiful.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- simulation is big i believe
JennFor Ying: Yes, Cathy, they saw an uptick in Kindle sales every time they present here in SL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: checking that out!
Hypatia Pickens: The patience of people is amazing.
Kali Pizzaro: yes it is very important for healthcare
Marc Rexen: The RP activities are very potent.
Hypatia Pickens: And promising.
Teachergirl Razor: anyone following the tonybates blog?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: great I am getting it then
Csteph Submariner: good man
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think Chimera is
Kali Pizzaro: apart from the cost of equipment
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lol
JennFor Ying gives Jeff 2 points for sticking around.
hobbs Constantine: AJ: If you would be able to write the article today would you have written it differently?"
JeanClaude Vollmar: @ Chimera - I remember a colleague telling me in '95 that the Internet was just a fad.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- well yeah, i would have been less flippant but would still say what i said .
Olivia Hotshot: Maybe actually go to a few campuses?
AJ Brooks: Please vote on the remaining questions - I'm not sure we will be able to get to them all
Chimera Cosmos: indeed JeanClaude
Elphaba Helendale: exactly, Jean
Chimera Cosmos: so much angst and resistant
JennFor Ying: and 10 points for intention of precise, waits to award execution points.
Chimera Cosmos: resistance
Hypatia Pickens: Also fewer sweeping generalizations.
Hypatia Pickens: ECHO
ALALibraryVal Miles: The Internet was going to destroy libraries, I recall...
Hypatia Pickens: close your mic.
Claudia13 Rossini: be glad to show him around the "university of Penn
Hypatia Pickens: HA ALA
Que Jinn: CHE is like USA Today for administrators they skim it every day.
Olivia Hotshot: echo should be off now
Kathryn Pleides: "imprecise"?
Hypatia Pickens: Good question.
Marty Snowpaw: that was not the problem with the article the information was wrong
Marc Rexen: I had the same experience with the web in '93 as I did with SL...it is so potent, it will not go away, the reason we're here is to figure out how to best develop it. :)
Marty Snowpaw: the facts were wrong
JennFor Ying: Good ?!
ALALibraryVal Miles: ㋡
Jackie Rexen: Demonstration how disruptions are handled - I say sarcastically
Elphaba Helendale: yes, Marc!
hobbs Constantine: AJ: please describe your "perfect" teaching environment
Olivia Hotshot: do you use SL to teach it?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes read it daily Wired, daily digest ..CHE junky lol
Csteph Submariner: Yes Marc, me too
Elphaba Helendale: it's in the development stage
Chimera Cosmos: right Marc
Que Jinn: so our administrators end up quoting
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- mmm, looking a t national trends. I would not like to comment but it depends on what you are teaching
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is how I found this article the very day it was publshed
Kali Pizzaro: mm depends what you are teaching
Olivia Hotshot: immersion?
Olivia Hotshot: cough
Ellie Brewster: We ought to reflect on our own reaction -- we've read so many ill-informed articles about SL, could be that Jeff is bearing the brunt of our feelings about those articles, too.
JennFor Ying: That's called INNOVATION.
Alan Sandalwood: Thanks, bye
JennFor Ying: Not Possible In Real Life
Chimera Cosmos: classrooms are a transitional mode - partly to help newcomers feel comfortable, and partly until the builders figure out what they really want to do
Que Jinn: NPIRL
JanythKU Techsan: and were could you do that anywhere else without huge funding
Claudia13 Rossini: come see my Turkish coffee house, Japanese tea house, German stammtich, Persian courtyard. All classrooms at Penn
JennFor Ying: Yes, Ellie, that's an excellent point.
Kali Pizzaro: indeed Chimera
Hypatia Pickens: How many classes are still being conducted like real life classrooms?
Logos Sohl: The other concept exists as well. The border sim is all about fidelity
Csteph Submariner: the web used to be for porn and weirdoes, and it was the scholars who made it ubiquitous
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: building simulations in SL makes it worthwhile
Viv Trafalgar: yes
Hypatia Pickens: If they are, they are clueless.
JennFor Ying: Right, CSteph.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hard though it can be...I cannot build a House of Usher on campus
Marc Rexen: It is emotion, and so many of us had it, and it is the driver for this interface, so seeing folks get riled up...only speaks to the power and importance of the interface (so if you got mad...congrats...:).
Hypatia Pickens: Yes CSteph
Hypatia Pickens: HA Iggy!
hobbs Constantine: AJ: do you see another application out there - that will make a better, bigger, different impact compared to Virtual Worlds?"
JennFor Ying: <=thinks Kali is an amazing transcriptionist.
JennFor Ying: Yes, Web 2.0 is awesome.
Hypatia Pickens: So do I
Chimera Cosmos: certainly not one as elaborate and beautiful as the House of Usher you guys did Iggy heheh
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- mm, bigger, better. web 2.0 seems to be big.
Claudia13 Rossini: use transparent prims Iggy
JennFor Ying: And, SL is Web 3.0.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- this seems to be the most innovative
Jackie Rexen: Yikes Google Wave is a bust
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I love Wired blog
Logos Sohl: Someone got google wave on a surface in here today on the new viewer
Que Jinn: relly Google Wave - a little more hype than actual usage in classroom now
Olivia Hotshot: sematic web ?
JanythKU Techsan: we use web 2.0 tools with SL for further engagement
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Google has bombed on a few things
JennFor Ying: Ju did!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
Hypatia Pickens looks around....
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- i did not write that.
hobbs Constantine: AJ: Do you regret the link-text "RIP Second Life"? That got me angry and probably led to some of the negative reaction
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- I think the editors placed that there
JennFor Ying: ty hobbs!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh those editors!
Chimera Cosmos: it's only valid as a "why it's wrong" point - and that is not what happened
CathyWyo1 Haystack: we have to acknowledge that some people do not like Virtual worlds in general and second life there are luddites
Ju Roussel: Logos, putting wave on is as easy as any other url
Chimera Cosmos: and then not as a headline
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- the headline may not always be accurate. that is the way it works
Marc Rexen: Good draft...when can we expect the real article?
Hypatia Pickens: There will always be luddites.
JennFor Ying: hahaha @ Marc.
ALALibraryVal Miles: Likely was the Copy Editor--but they come up with the headlines based on the content of the story...
hobbs Constantine: AJ: Have e the Case people mention why they stop their inworld efforts? That would be interesting to know. to know what works and why or not and why not."
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but there are some people , educators in sl who are quietly doing great stuff, students are enjoying .... and gaining but like putting a course on line it does take extra work
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @CathyJo--luddite faculty are going to reject other tech out of hand too...SL is nothing different for them than Twitter, etc.
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- that was about admissions tours
Chimera Cosmos: what luddites believe has nothing to do with what needs to happen with technology in education - other than figuring out how to help them or keep them out of the way!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have colleagues who won't use Smartboards
JennFor Ying: Under age maybe??
Kali Pizzaro: probably advertising
Marty Snowpaw: because they are under 18
Hypatia Pickens: EXACTLY Chim!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is a neo-luddite--appropriate tech only
Ellie Brewster: Didn't they have two identical sims, one in TSL?
Marty Snowpaw: Case Western is one of the premier users of sl
Hypatia Pickens: Yeah right Iggy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: for marketing purposes in higher ed it may not work
Ju Roussel: Smartboards are too expensive, I've never even seen it in a European univ.
JennFor Ying: Yes, exactly.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hypatia--I walk to work and don't use a cell phone
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- age
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Crossing the Chasm
Zotarah Shepherd: There used to be a College Fair on the TG.
Hypatia Pickens: I carry a cellphone but never plug it in
JennFor Ying: Iggy has a Second Life!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I carry a cell phone but forget to charge it
Kali Pizzaro: We do
Marc Rexen: I also walk to work Iggy...listening to SL artists on my iPod. :)
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Aj and Jeff
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the technology has to serve a goal--Smartboards are wonderful. Some faculty don't want to learn
Kali Pizzaro: thanks to Jeff
Hypatia Pickens: Ha Marc.......
hobbs Constantine: AJ: thanks you Jeff, for joining us on short notice
JennFor Ying: And we appreciate it.
Viv Trafalgar: thank you
Margaret Michalski: thank you
Chimera Cosmos: hahaha - we used to be proud of not owning a microwave or dishwasher "back in the day" - probably the Berkeley for grad school influence ;-)
Robin Mochi: Thanks All
Chimera Cosmos: but we outgrew that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks for facing the lions, Jeff!
JennFor Ying: Thanks Jeff!!! Very brave of you!
Hypatia Pickens: Thanks AJ
Csteph Submariner: I love my cellphone and keep it fully topped up and tricked out, but no-one ever calls me :/
Willow Shenlin: yes. certainly
Olivia Hotshot claps
JennFor Ying applauds.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah cheers Jeff
Marc Rexen: Thank you Dav and Aj....really, thanks. :)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: what's your number we will all call you
Hypatia Pickens: Yes, Jeff.
Jackie Rexen: I don't agree with how he reported - investigated but this was brave of him
hobbs Constantine: AJ: hope to have you back here
JennFor Ying: Thanks AJ and jeff.
Claudia13 Rossini: Daniel in the lion den
Zotarah Shepherd: I will be looking for your next article Jeff.
Hypatia Pickens: You contradict the Greek meaning of your name.
Logos Sohl: Use a pen name!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Jeff.
Margaret Michalski: Thanks you AJ and Jeff
Hypatia Pickens: A-Phobos.
Margaret Michalski: thank you for coming
Marc Rexen: Bespeaks of a good student...we'll get him a Master in SL yet. :)
Csteph Submariner: Respect
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, thanks for coming along to speak with us
Kali Pizzaro: Jeff- thanks all for having me. IM me if you want to chat further
Chimera Cosmos: thanks Jeff - come visit us - we're very lovable
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll stop logging now!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks all!
Claudia13 Rossini: lol, one can record everything in SL
Zotarah Shepherd: I have to get to class. Bye
Olivia Hotshot: Great Job AJ.
Willow Shenlin: thanks.
Olivia Hotshot: Try not to get stuck between the furniture Jeff.
Logos Sohl: claps
Iggy's note: Mr. Young stayed for more Q&A after his talk. At his request this was not logged, and I had to log out, but many participants remained to chat.