Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Nov. 18, 2009

Topic: Heritage Key Visit! Our first trip to another virtual world

Thanks Olivia for keeping a backup transcript, and Margie for getting it to me when I stupidly deleted the original and lost part of my backup!

It was the Mummy, I swear. Thanks to Viv Trafalgar for photos. You can add more to the VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup

[AJ] System User: well - guess I'll just have to forge on as System User, unless one of the rezzable folks has an idea

System User: lol

System User: so - welcome everyone

System User: this is a first

System User: the SLER meeting someplace other than the amphitheater

System User: actually - one time we did meet somewhere else

Iggyo Heritage: back--the Mummy almost got me

System User: at the SL Faire

Scott Diener: Hi everyone

System User: hey there scott

System User: so - thanks everyone for coming

System User: how many of us are there?

Iggyo Heritage: I'm going to get some snaps while AJ begins

System User: anyone have an official avatar count?

Foolish Frost: 18 people here now.

System User: excellent

Viv Trafalgar: AJ -

System User: :-)

System User: the first SLER meeting didn't have that many

Iggyo Heritage: 17 cuz Olivia crashed :(

System User: LOL

Viv Trafalgar: you might need to log out and log back in to fix your username AJ

System User: yeah - for those of you who are new, like this is your first time. This project is in alpha state

System User: I tried that already viv - it didn't work. I can try again if you think that would work

Chavez Lefevre: Just curious what we are gonna do with more than one VW...

Viv Trafalgar: please

Iggyo Heritage: @Chavez

Viv Trafalgar: Ordinal is taking a look at why

Iggyo Heritage: wait for it :)

Scott Diener: we live for alpha state AJ

System User: lol

Viv Trafalgar: SLER / VWER pioneers

Iggyo Heritage: HK is perfect for certain projects that cannot be done any longer in SL

Olivia Hotshot: oh my

Iggyo Heritage: without a LOT of cash

Margie Polishradio: I was joking that Aj was the 13th person here and then I crashed

Olivia Hotshot: crash crash crash

Margie Polishradio: lol

Chavez Lefevre: ahhh.....

System User: i'm going to relog - brb

Viv Trafalgar: ty aj

Iggyo Heritage: yeah--that is the price we pay for Alpha, but

Hobbs Constantine: I crashed too

Iggyo Heritage: my students did not need to be here in more than trios

Iggyo Heritage: these new VWs lack SL's community, but

Viv Trafalgar: Scott you've been in the clothing box at the end of the rainbow!

Scott Diener: hahahah

Elisabeth Greenwood: maxxing the sim?

Viv Trafalgar: YAY AJ

Iggyo Heritage: they can be tailored to certain contain features not permitted in SL

AJ Kelton: i'm here

Margie Polishradio: Hey AJ!

AJ Kelton: and as me, too!

Margie Polishradio: Nice to see you again!

Iggyo Heritage: woot AJ in DA HOUSE

Elisabeth Greenwood: wb!

AJ Kelton: yo yo yo

AJ Kelton: :-)

Olivia Hotshot: someone toss me a rope quick

AJ Kelton: lo

AJ Kelton: so

Iggyo Heritage: AJ you have that 90s grunge thing going.

Olivia Hotshot: every time i try to sit i crash - sorry

AJ Kelton: two things I'd like to get down while we are all here

AJ Kelton: one is to give Iggy some time to talk about his project that was done with his class here in HK

AJ Kelton: before we do that though

AJ Kelton: I'd like to talk about your experiences so far with this

AJ Kelton: feel free to speak openly

AJ Kelton: how many of you is this the first time in HK?

LT Heritage clears throat

Clio Capulet: I am

AJ Kelton: why is everyone so quite. :-)

Jonathon Dunn: I joined right after the Educause group meeting early this month.

MichelleD Heritage: It was easy to register for Heritage

Elisabeth Greenwood: This was my intro to Heritage- I liked the startup rooms

AICoder Hak: me me me!

Olivia Hotshot: AJ, can i ask a favor before we get started?

AICoder Hak: :)

Viv Trafalgar: vincent there's a seat next to me

AJ Kelton: whats that olivia

Margie Polishradio: Ok! For me 1) the map is not working, 2) the concept of friendship does not seem to be working

Olivia Hotshot: can we please do a "roll call" with HK & SL name?

Clio Capulet: start up room is very organized

Olivia Hotshot: for transcript/

Chavez Lefevre: my first time

AJ Kelton: sure

Hobbs Constantine: first time, after a crash

Margie Polishradio: technically it should be easy

AJ Kelton: can each of you say who you are, where you are from, and if you are in SL, what your SL name is

Jonathon Dunn: I'm Jonathon Dunn in both SL and HK. Deke Kassabian from Penn in RL.

Margie Polishradio: I wish i could actually visit this some more but the different concept of teleport is cool

Scott Diener: RL=Scott Diener, Univ of Auckland SL=Professor Noarlunga

Iggyo Heritage: Joe Essid IRL, U of Richmond Rhetoric & Communication Studies: Ignatius Onomatopoeia in SL

Ivy Innis: Ivy Innis in both. Beth Wellman work with K-12 in RL

Margie Polishradio: Margaret Czart, SL Margaret Michalski, Research Information Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago.

Elisabeth Greenwood: Elisabeth Greenwood, University of Central Florida, SL Elisabeth Mokusei

Chavez Lefevre: I am Chavez Lefevre in SL too. Kalle Gjesvik, Tromsø University, Norway rl

AJ Kelton: good - anyone not spoken up yet. :-)

AJ Kelton: Norway - welcome!

Olivia Hotshot: [Iggy are you getting a transcript or do you want help?]

Vincent Heritage: Vincent from Talking Pyramids

Olivia Hotshot: please befriend me if you want?

Iggyo Heritage: Mummy's Curse again

AJ Kelton: is that everyone?

AJ Kelton: ok - good

AJ Kelton: now - what have your experiences been like

AJ Kelton: was it easy to get acclimated

AICoder Hak: AICoder Hak both in SL and HK . In RL Muneeb from Center for Multidisciplinary studies at RIT, New York

AJ Kelton: how was the sign in process for you?

Hobbs Constantine: remarkably similar to SL

MichelleD Heritage: Sign was easy

Margie Polishradio: I have not explored very much it is very similar to SL

Jonathon Dunn: yes for me. Clear that it's SL OpenSim server tech, client operates the same.

AJ Kelton: is it good or bad that it is like SL?

Jonathon Dunn: good for startup at least

Margie Polishradio: Overall I give it a thumbs up!

MichelleD Heritage: It's nice to know how to navigate since it is familiar

Elisabeth Greenwood: agreed

Hobbs Constantine: good for walking, talking, friending, cameras

Jonathon Dunn: at some point, I want to see some radically different/new VW concepts to challenge SL

LT Heritage: would be nice if the map worked, though ;)

Jonathon Dunn: map would be nice :)

Margie Polishradio: I haven't figured out the friending thing yet! But need time

Elisabeth Greenwood: joys of alpha ;D

Olivia Hotshot: The befriending is just like SL.

LT Heritage: right clicking on an av should bring up a friending option

Iggyo Heritage remembers SL in 2007: similar problems

Margie Polishradio: I just get profile and send IM

LT Heritage: hmmm

MichelleD Heritage: I don't get a friend option either

Hobbs Constantine: relieved that my 6 year old computer can handle this

Jonathon Dunn: odd. I do.

Olivia Hotshot: If they are your friend already Margaret, you wonÕt get the friend option.

Viv Trafalgar: that's good news Hobbs

AICoder Hak: first time in HK and was surprised the map didn't work

Margie Polishradio: For some here I think they would prefer not to have me as a friend for now : )

Scott Diener: I don't get friend option

AJ Kelton: how many of you went to the main welcome area first?

Olivia Hotshot: I went there.

Scott Diener: I have

Jonathon Dunn: I did

Margie Polishradio: I did! Really nice better than SL

Hobbs Constantine: I used the Contacts, Add. local area option

Elisabeth Greenwood: I did

AICoder Hak: i did

Chavez Lefevre: Go to Contact and add

Hobbs Constantine: it worked to add friends

AICoder Hak: i think

MichelleD Heritage: I think that is where I started ;)

AJ Kelton: what did you guys think of it?

Teyah Nightfire: I went to welcome area. nice

Olivia Hotshot: Took 30 min to do all the things there. I role played - cause normally i would not do that.

Chavez Lefevre: then u type the name of ur coming friend

AJ Kelton: what about the others who were there, did you like it?

Elisabeth Greenwood: I liked the layout- might have made it more linear to make sure new users passed everything on the way out- I missed a wall and didn't realise

AJ Kelton: it reminded me a lot of a museum :-)

Elisabeth Greenwood: until mys eocnd visit

LT Heritage: a side note- the welcome area is currently being completely rebuilt, and should go live in December

Chavez Lefevre: brb

MichelleD Heritage: I didn't have time to look around. Did this at the last minute.

LT Heritage: Flopsie McArdle from SL is building us something spectacular

Elisabeth Greenwood: looking forward to seeing it!

Margie Polishradio: @ Aj! Thast is what is so cool about it! It gets you into the mood from the start

AJ Kelton: excellent

Iggyo Heritage: be sure you tour the banks of the Nile. After this spot, it is my fave

AJ Kelton: well - Joe - I'm hoping you can show us around, in a few minutes

Vincent Heritage: I was flying with the birds by the Nile yesterday

AJ Kelton: bEfore we do that - and I turn it over to you

Iggyo Heritage: we can go a few at a time into the tomb

AJ Kelton: So - the question of the day, and we'll ask again later, is, what do you think "Are Other Virtual Worlds Viable for a Teaching/Learning Experience"

Vincent Heritage: and swimming with the crocodile

LT Heritage gave you HK Landmarks, 10-23-09.

AJ Kelton: what do you think?

AJ Kelton: goodness, you are a quite bunch

Hobbs Constantine: a tomb yay

Margie Polishradio: Yes!

AJ Kelton: :-)

Scott Diener: I am wondering why this needs a special viewer...why not just make another shortcut with the users existing SL or other viewer

Margie Polishradio: every VW has its up and downs

Margie Polishradio: it is the use you take of it that makes the difference

Elisabeth Greenwood: Absolutely- I'm all for avatars portable between worlds

Jonathon Dunn: back end is not a user selectable choice in the viewer. Though it could be.

MichelleD Heritage: Yes, any VW has potential for ed probably

Olivia Hotshot: Basically this is the SL viewer - pared down - and with its own "slurl" or maybe HKURL.

Margie Polishradio: For some topics one vw may be better than another

Iggyo Heritage: @Scott, can you get in here with Hippo Viewer? That seems to support multiple VWs

LT Heritage: we are also in the process of reworking the viewer- but the reason is that OpenSim cannot handle permissions very well, at this point

Scott Diener: I can get into OpenSim (one I run) with any viewer...just point the viewer

LT Heritage: the loginuri to HK is being kept inhouse, at the moment

Iggyo Heritage: you know, at EDUCAUSE the Rezzable folks dropped hints about a project to let avatars TP between worlds

Scott Diener: less installation

Foolish Frost: Do we need virtual world for education... I have a better question? Do we need books? I mean, Oral tradition worked for a few years, didn't it?

AJ Kelton: My big reservation at the moment is content creation

Olivia Hotshot seconds AJ.

AJ Kelton: oral tradition is fine, for some things

AJ Kelton: I'm not sure I would want my brain surgeon to go that route tho

AJ Kelton: I'd want him or her to read a few books

AJ Kelton: :-)

Viv Trafalgar: and maybe do some virtualized training :)

Margie Polishradio: Role Play & Simulation

AJ Kelton: Ok - well, I'm going to turn this over to Joe

AJ Kelton: let him talk about his project

Iggyo Heritage: y'all know I love to build. But for my project in HK, the students did not need to build

Iggyo Heritage: where to start...I'll get my notes

AICoder Hak: so isnt voice supported in HK?

Iggyo Heritage: my class of 15 used HK for a project.

LT Heritage: I would like to see an option for educators to have the opportunity to build- we will be discussing this in future plans

Foolish Frost: <nods> But that's the point. Oral, Books, Wikis, Virtual worlds. They all provide information. I think the overall answer is "yes." We need every edge we can get in education.

Iggyo Heritage: they are first-year writing students

Iggyo Heritage: Their goal: to extract the Tut treasures without destroying the Isis Mural.

Iggyo Heritage: you can see the mural by AJ, to the...

Iggyo Heritage cams over

Iggyo Heritage: right of AJ

Iggyo Heritage: when Howard Carter got into the Mural Room

Olivia Hotshot: For the record - images from today will be on the new VWER flickr group - http://www.flickr.com/groups/1268711@N23/

Iggyo Heritage: which is where the sarcophagus was

Iggyo Heritage: he destroyed part of a mural

AJ Kelton: [gasp]

Iggyo Heritage: of Tut entering the afterlife

Iggyo Heritage: he was using 1922 tech

Iggyo Heritage: so what would happen if

Iggyo Heritage: we could re-do it?

Iggyo Heritage: http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/Saving-Isis

Iggyo Heritage: that's the students' assignment page

Iggyo Heritage: now some background

Iggyo Heritage: All of the writers had ample experience in Second Life before coming to Heritage Key. That said, they were doing interdisciplinary work that was very challenging to first-years. They had to assume roles and authority that they don't possess, as archeologists, engineers, and writers. This can be troubling in a writing class. In fact, it violates most pedagogical principles of designing writing assignments.

Iggyo Heritage: give you a sec to read that

Iggyo Heritage: I reassured my class that I would not grade them by the standards of professional archeology--though Dr. Hawass might even see the strongest solutions! Having a real audience, including all of you, made this work vital for me and for them :)

Iggyo Heritage: now a few stand-out projects:

Iggyo Heritage: They are not yet finished...Due date is Friday, 9am EST...they'll be up all night because they have 3 wiki projects due then and, well, they are being typical undergrads.

Iggyo Heritage: LOL

AJ Kelton: lol

Iggyo Heritage: Emily's project: http://fall103.pbworks.com/Emily%27s%20Saving%20Isis

Iggyo Heritage: She learned how to integrate graphics well with analytical writing and, like her team mates, she had to discuss her own role in the assignment

Iggyo Heritage: Ian's project:

Iggyo Heritage: you can bookmark them for later or check the transcript w/ live links

Iggyo Heritage: He's on a different team, and when he's done, he will include some very clever drawings he did to show their method for removing the Tut artifact

Iggyo Heritage: http://fall103.pbworks.com/Saving-Isis

Iggyo Heritage: Ryan's project: http://fall103.pbworks.com/Rp-Saving-the-Art

Iggyo Heritage: I just flat-out like this solution for its elegance; come back on Friday to see his line-drawings of the tomb and their solution

Olivia Hotshot: oh no, poor system user is back.

Iggyo Heritage: I told them y'all would be looking at their work :P

LT Heritage: how exciting

Hobbs Constantine: I have my rubric ready

Iggyo Heritage: but I like that the world is "credible" and the task involves a real audience

Iggyo Heritage: not just some old egghead writing prof :)

Iggyo Heritage: Link to the student wiki site (all of them with blog/wiki/Koinup links):

Iggyo Heritage: http://fall103.pbworks.com/

Iggyo Heritage: you'll find my schedule, policies, etc. on the sidebar at the R of any page

Iggyo Heritage: the students had technical problems here

Iggyo Heritage: and in SL too

Iggyo Heritage: to be fair

Iggyo Heritage: b/c they ALL use laptops and wireless

Iggyo Heritage: and resist--actively--plugging in

Iggyo Heritage: even though GREAT desktops are all over campus

Iggyo Heritage: I've said it in many venues--VW designers who want young users from the US

Iggyo Heritage: need to take this into account or retention will approach 0%

Iggyo Heritage: of 100 students I have taught in SL

Iggyo Heritage: 2 still log on

Iggyo Heritage: questions?

Ivy Innis: have to go... so sorry this is great going to different worlds!

Olivia Hotshot: oh no, afraid the transcript is going to be spotty. i see both margaret and me have crashed,

Iggyo Heritage: thanks for coming, Ivy! come back and tour Egypt!

Iggyo Heritage: we'll get what we can

LT Heritage: I can give a complete copy at the end, if you like

Iggyo Heritage: thanks LT

Hobbs Constantine: Do students generally get less "hassle"here than in SL beause this appears more focused?

Iggyo Heritage: I'lll get you my e-mail address if you don't have it

Iggyo Heritage: @Hobbs--yes

Viv Trafalgar: I've got a copy Olivia

Iggyo Heritage: only one met a griefer!

Margie Polishradio: Do you think the elimination of building had any effect

Olivia Hotshot: TY Viv.

Iggyo Heritage: and the griefer could not do anything to him

Hobbs Constantine: K

Iggyo Heritage: @Margie, it would have been cool, in a different class

Margie Polishradio: Is it better for you students not to build

Iggyo Heritage: to have them get COPIES of the tomb in HK

Hobbs Constantine: vat, no ancient curse? ;-)

Iggyo Heritage: and then be able to re-engineer the dig

Hobbs Constantine: ancient

Iggyo Heritage: I call my HK crashes "The Mummy's Curse"

Olivia Hotshot smiles at Viv.

Iggyo Heritage: I like the educational purpose of HK

Iggyo Heritage: it's not a social world

Iggyo Heritage: so teams can come in and do work

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggyo that was my first impression

Olivia Hotshot: but it still is a learning community

Iggyo Heritage: and log out--this is what my kids want most of the time, though when an assignment asked them to socialize

Iggyo Heritage: they did

Hobbs Constantine: @Iggy: so you are saying that the students feel more academic here?

Iggyo Heritage: @Hobbs, I think so

Margie Polishradio: @ hobbs, less distractions

Iggyo Heritage: they enjoyed Burning Life and their gender/race change assignment but

Olivia Hotshot: How did your students save their work Iggy?

Iggyo Heritage: this one, crashes and all, was interdisciplinary and very academic

Hobbs Constantine: huh, interesting: your impression or did you ask them/survey?

Olivia Hotshot: Welcome Fred.

Iggyo Heritage: they took pics of the build

Iggyo Heritage: out to their laptops

Olivia Hotshot: and textual things?

Fred Brecher: Thanks, Olivia.

Iggyo Heritage: drew diagrams by hand and w/ Photoshop

Iggyo Heritage: and wrote into PB Works Wiki

MichelleD Heritage: Sounds like your students were fairly tech savvy?

Iggyo Heritage: Hobbs, I'm in the thick of it still

Olivia Hotshot: Good solution.

Iggyo Heritage: and NO, they are losers with tech

Iggyo Heritage: mostly

MichelleD Heritage: lol!

Olivia Hotshot: eesh

Iggyo Heritage: they don't even know how to cut/paste, some of them

Elisabeth Greenwood: lol

Iggyo Heritage: thank God I gave them lots of one-on-one help early on

MichelleD Heritage: that's how many of mine would be

Iggyo Heritage: but I'd learned that from three earlier courses

Iggyo Heritage: HK is nice in a way b/c the choices are simpler than in SL

Margie Polishradio: So, orientation is a must?

Iggyo Heritage: they end up naked and bald and on fire b/c the interface is so complex

Iggyo Heritage: @Margie--yes

Birdie Byebye: on fire?

Iggyo Heritage: one on one or in small groups

System User: ugh

System User: its AJ

Elisabeth Greenwood: sounds like my first day in SL ;}

Iggyo Heritage: @Birdie...one of them was wearing a Harvey the Rabbit suit, last time I checked

Iggyo Heritage: OMG [cloud of gas approaches us from the tomb]

Iggyo Heritage: It's the Mummy!

Iggyo Heritage: no, it's AJ

Vincent Heritage: I think the simpler interface is a must for non SL or non tech types to remove barriers to entry

Olivia Hotshot: naked and bald and on fire b/c the interface is so complex? not sure i understand this.

Iggyo Heritage: I'm being sarcastic

LT Heritage: I have the same problem irl

Iggyo Heritage: they end up losing inventory

System User: i'm going to try to log again

Iggyo Heritage: bald, for sure

Iggyo Heritage: I sometimes wished for a world where

System User: but on top of content creation, stability is now also an issue

Iggyo Heritage: they could not change the avatar much so they could focus on the world and the work

System User: so - perhaps that is what we can get out of this process

Scott Diener: I'd prefer to see us upskill the users than dumb down the system

Iggyo Heritage: SL has stability at last

Olivia Hotshot: What is the largest group HK can accommodate Viv, or LT or one of the Rezzable people?

Iggyo Heritage: but it doesn't play well on their systems

LT Heritage: well, we're finding that out, now

LT Heritage: but generally- more than 20 leads to problems

Iggyo Heritage: when I first taught w/ SL in January 2007

Viv Trafalgar: one thing that HK can do though

Viv Trafalgar: is after a certain number,

Margie Polishradio: @LT at least you know there is interest in HK!

Viv Trafalgar: of logins - we can generate a new shard of the sim

Iggyo Heritage: it was similar--I had a bunch of disasters related to the newness of the client

Viv Trafalgar: so that more people can log in. we didn't set that up today, but it is done in Steamfish.

Iggyo Heritage: Already Rezzable's client has improved

Iggyo Heritage: I downloaded a newer version this morning

Viv Trafalgar: That's not possible in SL

Birdie Byebye: I've had to log in about a dozen times. Not stable?

Iggyo Heritage: No, Birdie, not yet

Iggyo Heritage: but I'm confident that like SL, these worlds will improve

LT Heritage: we're having some issues with zooming, sitting and unsitting, according to our tech team, right now

Birdie Byebye: I remember Wednesdays.

Iggyo Heritage: and I don't want my virtual eggs tied to one company that may fold

AJ Kelton: ugh - BLACK WEDNESDAY!

Iggyo Heritage: yes...it was awful

AJ Kelton: dreadful

Iggyo Heritage: people lost inventory in crashes BIG TIME

AJ Kelton nods

Iggyo Heritage: so in a way, not building has advantages :)

LT Heritage: do remember, too- that we are in the alpha stages of the client- many more changes and improvements are slated for the early part of 2010

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggyo Sure it will improve SL still has problems This is a great start

AJ Kelton: joe - I've kept crashing, have your covered the project?

Iggyo Heritage: I have

AJ Kelton: i have one question for folks

AJ Kelton: going back to what I asked a while back

AJ Kelton: are other virtual worlds viable for actual classwork?

AJ Kelton: required parts of courses

Iggyo Heritage: better Q might be "which worlds"

Olivia Hotshot: I believe Reaction is well on its way. I have a phone call meeting scheduled for later today and will know more.

Iggyo Heritage: I'd bring them back here in Fall 2010 for sure

Margie Polishradio: Yes, it gives students to express their perspective of things

LT Heritage: OpenSim itself is still a toddler

AJ Kelton: i expcet we will come back, before that point

AJ Kelton: Perhaps April

Margie Polishradio: Iggyo lets them do that b y exploring

Elisabeth Greenwood: I say so- as long as the activity is genuine

Iggyo Heritage: you have to give US 18-22 year olds structure. I don't know about that age in your nations

LT Heritage: depends what the drinking age is ;)

Elisabeth Greenwood: lol

Olivia Hotshot: If i may make a quick suggestion to the Rezzable people - since we cannot create notecards, could you perhaps give them out as a packet of supplies - blank ones? Just like you give out the pick axe etc.

Iggyo Heritage: LOL

Birdie Byebye: I'm assuming these other virtual worlds don't split the teens from "real people" -- is that right?

LT Heritage: I'm not sure the viewer will let you edit them, but I can try

Iggyo Heritage: good idea--Viv made me one so I could keep my notes today

Scott Diener: it is kinda like asking "is this classroom as good as that one".

Viv Trafalgar: ordinal and i were discussing that

Olivia Hotshot: Viv, are you speaking about my suggestion?

Viv Trafalgar: yes

Iggyo Heritage: we forget how handy they are

Margie Polishradio: I myself am a hands on learner so my opinion may be a bit biased

Iggyo Heritage: I could not do the House of Usher clues in SL w/o them

Olivia Hotshot: The viewer is letting me edit the one Viv sent me.

AJ Kelton: ugh

Viv Trafalgar: apologies i keep watching AJ pingpong off the server...

Viv Trafalgar: and i'm a bit distracted - forgot to add @Olivia

AJ Kelton: the constant crashing of the viewer is most challenging

Iggyo Heritage has crashed twice today

Viv Trafalgar: I think your account has something particular going on AJ - the system user thing

Olivia Hotshot: Thick skin, AJ. =)

Birdie Byebye: Probably worse to impossible on netbooks or iPhones

AJ Kelton has crashed twice in the last 60 seconds

Iggyo Heritage: but when I'm here alone--it's stable as a Pyramid

LT Heritage: olivia, try clicking the plywood box there and see what happens

AJ Kelton: lol

Scott Diener: one note from software development, users do NOT like to go backwards in feature sets....."basic" versions are not generally successful

LT Heritage: if you get and can edit notecards, try passing one to someone else

Iggyo Heritage: @Scott--but what about variant "lowband" versions

Olivia Hotshot: ok but i am sooo not passing it to AJ.

Scott Diener: if you cater to unskilled by offering basic, you lose the early adopters

Iggyo Heritage: you see that with movie trailers

Viv Trafalgar: lol

Hobbs Constantine: lol

Iggyo Heritage: @Scott agreed but

Scott Diener: and they are crucial to "spreading the word"

AJ Kelton: oh - Scott, I need the name of your Sims, so I can put it on our list for March. Are we still good to plan a March visit?

Iggyo Heritage: then you make a tool never go mainstream

Scott Diener: yes AJ, I will send it to you

Iggyo Heritage: this is why, IMHO, LL is going to fail to get a mainstream user base

LT Heritage: worked, olivia!

AJ Kelton: great - thanks

Olivia Hotshot: Personally i am excited to be one of the people who gets to say, "I was there when..."

Olivia Hotshot: it did LT.

Birdie Byebye: I'm afraid to move or adjust anything.

Iggyo Heritage: SL's core base is tiny compared to, say, other social media platforms or even games

AJ Kelton: it really is.

Iggyo Heritage: okay--Q for y'all

LT Heritage: we will make a fancy "stationary" version per Ordinal's idea, then- where anyone can pick up notecards to write and distribute...

Iggyo Heritage: are you the one person, or one of two or three

Birdie Byebye: Could you imagine millions on SL? Crash big time.

Iggyo Heritage: on your campus who use VWs?

Olivia Hotshot: Is anyone here now who was not here when we did the roll call? I want to add you to my list.

Margie Polishradio: yes

Iggyo Heritage: yet how many use...ugh...Blackboard

Birdie Byebye: Me

Iggyo Heritage: or a blog

MichelleD Heritage: Totally!

Iggyo Heritage: bunches

AJ Kelton: no - there are others at MSU, I'm not the only one

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggy not for courses though, Just prep for courses

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggy more of a pilot

AJ Kelton: so - what are the most important things for a virtual world to have?

Iggyo Heritage: we do great work, sure...and simulation is important, even key. But a tool has to be intuitive and stable to get a big user-base.

Olivia Hotshot: AJ - only one for what?

Birdie Byebye: stability. access.

Hobbs Constantine: I'm one of a few, the ones with arrows in our backs, as AJ calls pioneers

AJ Kelton: @olivia - I was answering Joe's question

Margie Polishradio: interaction

Olivia Hotshot: ok, ty

Margie Polishradio: activities

AJ Kelton: stability

AJ Kelton: access - what do you mean, access?

Olivia Hotshot: scalability

Margie Polishradio: just walking through does not do much

AJ Kelton: interaction - what type/kind?

Birdie Byebye: for weak or older machines, or minis

Margie Polishradio: communication, activities

AJ Kelton: activites - what does that mean? What kind?

Olivia Hotshot: potential for change

AJ Kelton: scalability

Margie Polishradio: actually do something for example take snapshots and interpret

Iggyo Heritage: AJ's school, like the UT system, is an exception. Perhaps in time, as the power of our personal computers increases, so will adoption (if LL stops upping the graphics reqs faster than our replacement cycle)

Margie Polishradio: or build and describe

Margie Polishradio: or simulation

Margie Polishradio: or roleplay

Olivia Hotshot: It has to also provide support for users.

LT Heritage: unlockables

Viv Trafalgar: yes

Margie Polishradio: meetings like this could be a good start for some

Iggyo Heritage: I dislike Metaplace b/c while it's stable, it is not immersive

MichelleD Heritage: Yes, good orientation and user guides

Margie Polishradio: like the non techie people or those who are afraid

Olivia Hotshot: and it is visually k-12ish.

Birdie Byebye: voice, but that's optional

AJ Kelton: we're going there in January, right?

Iggyo Heritage: yet you could build nice simulations there

Olivia Hotshot: Yes AJ

AJ Kelton: Joe's leading that one I think

Iggyo Heritage: Am I to ask Cuppycake for...okay I am

AJ Kelton: lol

Iggyo Heritage: hard to write to someone with that handle "Cuppycake" but I will

Birdie Byebye: allow teachers some control over privileges

Viv Trafalgar: Rezzable did build a closed-system interactive game for a group working with schools in London

AJ Kelton: O - well, believe it or not - our hour is almost up. Any last thoughts?

Viv Trafalgar: using OpenSim - a lot of interactives

Margie Polishradio: @ Birdie, teachers privileges would be nice

AJ Kelton: I have one request - can you guys make a mystitool table for us? ROFL

Olivia Hotshot: also a degree of security & protection from theft and griefing.

Birdie Byebye: what's next, and which client to use?

LT Heritage: if we're in the loop as to when the next meeting is, and with fair warning, we can probably cook up a roundtable system for you :)

Iggyo Heritage: if anyone wants to stay and see the tomb, I'll stay on a few minutes more

Olivia Hotshot: If you use Twitter - you may want to start following VWER for information.

AJ Kelton: excellent - I'll work with you guys off line, but perhaps we can look to April, which is our next available slot at the moment

AJ Kelton: yes - VWER has a facebook group also

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggy if you have time

AJ Kelton: and twitter account

AJ Kelton: and flickr and koinup groups

Iggyo Heritage: Great--I'll have another reason to look at Twitter

Margie Polishradio: @ Olivia and AJ Thanks

Olivia Hotshot: yes, we're everywhere!!

Iggyo Heritage: thanks AJ, Olivia!

Scott Diener: yes, thanks very much!

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Iggy for the info.

LT Heritage: thank all of you for your input :)

AJ Kelton: well - thank you all for coming and trying something new

Scott Diener: Iggy, thanks for sharing your student's work too

AJ Kelton: now we can all say "it wasn't all that bad." :-)

Margie Polishradio: Actually I like this round chair scene

Viv Trafalgar: thank you for visiting :)

Hobbs Constantine: very good all!

LT Heritage: margie, you're fantastic... heh

Olivia Hotshot: For the record i think i have a full transcript now - thanks to all for contributing.

AJ Kelton: excellent

Margie Polishradio: @ Oliva and AJ I will be sending an email later

Hobbs Constantine: tour tour tour

AJ Kelton: thanks to ALl the rezzable folks who made this possible

Olivia Hotshot: i'm afraid to stand up. can i have this seat for the next meeting here and simply stay seated?

Margie Polishradio: 2 Iggy same for you

Lokum Shilova: anytime

Scott Diener: I was at the King Tut exhibit in San Francisco last week....makes this all seem so ALIVE!

Iggyo Heritage: come see the MUMMY

Olivia Hotshot: Thansk Rezzable people!! =)

Iggyo Heritage: or where he was anyhow

Iggyo Heritage: thanks Rezzable!

Lokum Shilova: :))

LT Heritage: thank you!

Margie Polishradio: Ok! I can do without the high jump!

Margie Polishradio: lol

Viv Trafalgar: AJ hasn't crashed in 5 minutes!

Lokum Shilova: it has never this busy around here so thks

Elisabeth Greenwood: Yes, thanks for hosting us- it's great to see more excellent ideas in action

Olivia Hotshot: margaret - do you prefer to be called Margie?

Iggyo Heritage: Feet do your stuff

Iggyo Heritage: cannot walk

Lokum Shilova: :)

Margie Polishradio: Either one1

Lokum Shilova: scissors

Olivia Hotshot: ok. =)

Margie Polishradio: I am flexible

Iggyo Heritage: follow the footprints to the tomb

LT Heritage: please allow for some lag as everyone stands and walks :)

Lokum Shilova: I will just lie here

Iggyo Heritage: I want a mummy avatar

LT Heritage: lol, lokum

Margie Polishradio: @ Iggy as soon as i can move I will follow

Viv Trafalgar: you look lovely lying there Lokum :)

Lokum Shilova: thks for this LT

Elisabeth Greenwood: lol

Hobbs Constantine: weirdo lag

LT Heritage: ah, sure... Viv and Pav too... and you... go team :)

Lokum Shilova: I do dont I :D

Iggyo Heritage: walk like....

Iggyo Heritage: you know what!

LT Heritage: nooo

Iggyo Heritage: AN EGYPTIAN

Lokum Shilova: why everyone is so eager to move

LT Heritage: and egyptian in maple syrup

Viv Trafalgar: i'm so going to make a mummy avie

Lokum Shilova: did I miss something

Elisabeth Greenwood: LOL

LT Heritage: they are touring the tomb

Lokum Shilova: ahhh

Lokum Shilova: kk seen that many times

Margie Polishradio: Flying is faster

Iggyo Heritage: well, this has gone pretty well

Iggyo Heritage: oh oh she crashed

Iggyo Heritage: no there she is

Iggyo Heritage: you just waked through where Isis was

Margie Polishradio: I was taken back to the entrance

Iggyo Heritage: yes there is a bit of lag when you TP into the tomb

Hobbs Constantine: this is awesome

Iggyo Heritage: I think Rezzable said that the murals would soon be clickable

Margie Polishradio: Oh! You know where I will be when I am not SL

Iggyo Heritage: so each hieroglyphic would be translated

Margie Polishradio: Oh! You know where I will be when I am not SL

Iggyo Heritage: so each hieroglyphic would be translated

Margie Polishradio: My committee might kill me

Iggyo Heritage: LOL

Iggyo Heritage: you know, Jon had all this in SL for a time

Iggyo Heritage: but can you imagine the cost

Iggyo Heritage: of 40 sims!

Olivia Hotshot: I saw it when it was in SL

Iggyo Heritage: so it made good sense to set up a grid of their own

Iggyo Heritage: Scott, how many regions are you running?

Hobbs Constantine: Can I ask a questions about our Avatars?

Iggyo Heritage: I don't know if I can answer but sure

Scott Diener: I have 16 sims running on our severs

Olivia Hotshot: Hobbs shush cause you look pretty awesome at the moment.

Hobbs Constantine: Are the basic ones supposed to be like archeol students or tomb raiders or somethg

Scott Diener: three other universities are running their own

Scott Diener: and we are linked as a Hypergrid

Olivia Hotshot: Hobbs LT said a whole new pack of avatars is coming next week here.

Iggyo Heritage: I think so...I looked like a museum guide at first

Hobbs Constantine: yeah, Iggy you are Indy!

Iggyo Heritage: but I liked the dark-skinned avatar I have a lot, just not his clothes