Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Dec. 22, 2009
Topic: Meeting Management and Event/Function Facilitation Tools
Snowball: AJ Brooks has hit Ignatius Onomatopoeia with a snowball!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
AgileBill Firehawk: hello Zo!!! Happy Holidays to you!
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are roundtable style, so those in the theater seats please come down and join us at the table. Our magic expanding table will always have an empty seat, located closest to the ramp.
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Hobbs
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is Meeting Management and Event/Function Facilitation Tools
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
Arielion Clawtooth: I hadn't seen the disclaimer before. Is there a juicy story behind that? ;o)
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hey Oronoque! WB!
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Oro
AJ Brooks: Information on FUTURE MEETINGS is available from the notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater. We have an amazing lineup of meetings for you.
Cup of Egg Nog : Mmmm, delicious egg nog, hobbs Constantine!
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Oronoque Westland: Hello Iggy and ZO and everyone
Oronoque Westland: school's out
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Jennette Forager smiles at Oro.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this table will seat up to 25--I'll pull out the bigger one if needed
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the window
AJ Brooks: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: and perhaps we can size the table up one, since more have shown up
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hold on to your eggs and nogs
Cup of Egg Nog : Mmmm, delicious egg nog, hobbs Constantine!
Arielion Clawtooth: Whee!
AJ Brooks: great - thanks
AJ Brooks: ok - folks, come on down and join us
AJ Brooks: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
Mimi Muircastle: the magic of the season :)
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I'm the founder and chief moderator for the SLER.
AJ Brooks: I am the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology For the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in Northern Neew Jersey, just outside of NYC.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I'm now teaching my fourth class with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
Ahlan Oh: (can we play musical chairs later?)
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Program Community Facilitator, Math and Science, Western Governors University, remote faculty in NY
Silver Tomorrow: Director of Instructional Technology at mayville state university in north dakota
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ahlan, just wait until next week--dancing and holiday cheer!
AJ Brooks: come on folks, introduce yourself
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK.
Jennette Forager: Janalee Redmond, Washington, DC. Community Manager for Metanomics and Director, The Epoch Institute.
Ahlan Oh is Alan Epstein, Robotics advisor, Watertown Public Schools, Massachusetts, USA, Earth
Viv Trafalgar: Viv Trafalgar, general busybody and stuff, also working with Rezzable. Oh and Get your Logo entries in for the VWER Contest!
Liana Hubbenfluff: Robyn Klein, Montana State University
AgileBill Firehawk: AgileBill Krebs - Raleigh NC - corporate training and consulting for project management, especially leveraging the power of virtual worlds. On the Board of Directors of Rockcliffe University in SL
AJ Brooks bows to viv
Mimi Muircastle: Mimi/Charlotte, retired middle school prin. Refuge Friends
Ricardo Pessoa: Ricardo Cruz, Portuguese and English high school teacher. Master thesis student in communication sciences - University of Porto, Portugal
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. Part of that is an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills on an educational sim called Ralanora. I also have a build for Multiple Intelligences.
AJ Brooks: boa noite, Ricardo - tudo bem?
Ricardo Pessoa: Olá AJ
Jennette Forager: (BILL! Did you take the name AgileBill irl too??)
Viv Trafalgar: Sounds wonderful Zotarah
AJ Brooks: who's left?
AgileBill Firehawk: (checkout Zo's sim on multiple intelligences if you haven't - it's great!)
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: going twice
AJ Brooks: sold to the freak in the santa hat
Ross Mounier: I'm Will Diehl, Ph.D. Candidate at PSU in distance ed
Jennette Forager applauds.
Mimi Muircastle: I need to visit your build, Zo - tp me sometime :)
AJ Brooks: k
AJ Brooks: Before we get the meeting started, I have some housekeeping stuff to cover. :-)
AJ Brooks: The countdown is on. Two weeks and we begin meeting as the Virtual World Education Roundtable. Let me tell you, so much has happened just since announcing the name change.
Zotarah Shepherd: Ok
Mimi Muircastle: ty
AJ Brooks: We have some amazing guests for you next year, starting off with our very first meeting on January 5th, 2010
AJ Brooks: Possible, Probable, and Preferable Futures of Virtual Worlds in Education – Redux Our special guests will be Anthony Fontana (SL: AnthonyFontana Chevalier), Chris Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque),
AJ Brooks: Daniel Livingston (SL: Buddy Sprocket), Jonathon Richter (SL: Wainbrave Bernal), Ken Hudson (SL: Kenny Hubble), and Sarah Robbins (SL: Intellagirl Tully)
Viv Trafalgar: ((and we need fabulous logo submissions! Click the pretty box!)
AJ Brooks: Please donÕt forget that we are currently running a Logo Design Competition. Please consider submitting a logo design and/or encourage others you know to submit
AJ Brooks: Details can be found at http://vwerlogodesign.wikispaces.com
AJ Brooks: The VWER is looking for volunteers to help out with some of the day-to-day organizational tasks.
AJ Brooks: If you have experience with Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, or any other social networks, please get in touch with me directly.
AJ Brooks: We have some amazing meetings coming up for you.
AJ Brooks: Our newest weekly addition is The Reading Meeting. The 3rd week of each month will be dedicated to discussion on an article provided in advance.
Mimi Muircastle: twitter is my thing :)
AJ Brooks: For Special 1st of the Month meetings we have Barry Fishman (from Obama’s National Educational Technology Plan committee), Ken Hudson (Canadian Border Simulation)
AJ Brooks: Jonathon Richter (Center for Learning in a Virtual Environment), plus more to be announced shortly
AJ Brooks: Last, but not least, donÕt forget about our holiday party next week. Today’s meeting is actually the last formal meeting of the SLER. Next week, Olivia Hotshot will be our host
LAJ Brooks: And there is a lot in the planning. There will be dancing, food, drink, freebies, and especially help for new folks who many have some basic questions. Volunteers will be on hand.
AJ Brooks: All are welcome so please come and invite your friends. We are especially encouraging new people as there will be a lot for them to try out.
AJ Brooks: There will also be ice skating, snow ball throwing, and other fun stuff over in our Winter of our Memories build, skillfully and amazingly done by Claudia13 Rossini
AJ Brooks: Most importantly, this will be a time to network, chat with folks, and basically relax and have a good time socializing and mingling. Hopefully the start of a great tradition.
Jennette Forager: Sounds wonderful.
AJ Brooks: There is so much more to tell, but we have a meeting to run.
Arielion Clawtooth: You had me at "freebies."
AJ Brooks: so - I'm done talking for the night
AJ Brooks: you guys go ahead
AJ Brooks: LOL
AJ Brooks: just kidding
AJ Brooks: how is everyone, I've missed this
AJ Brooks: its great to be back
Margaret Michalski: I am glad to see you back
Jennette Forager agrees.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is pleased as punch to have AJ back!
AJ Brooks: I'm looking forward to the spring, we've got some awesome stuff to bring you
Mimi Muircastle: good to *see* you too, AL
Mimi Muircastle: whoops! AJ
AJ Brooks: so - before we get into meeting and stuff, the topic, I think it would be hard to not bring up a current topic
AJ Brooks: recently two very prominent VWs, Metaplace and Fortera have announced their closing
AJ Brooks: I thought we'd put a few minutes aside to see if anyone has any thoughts on this
Arielion Clawtooth: Forterra?! Wow. Hadn't herd that one.
AJ Brooks: they word has not been made official, but they laid off 60% of their staff and are selling off assets
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Interesting. Gwyneth L has some thoughts at Massively about why LL is in much better shape, financially.
Arielion Clawtooth: Is that the Mike Macedonia Forterra?
Mimi Muircastle: yes, her blog was the most complete and informed that I read this am
Viv Trafalgar: Forterra provided world-building services to federal clients, among others
Viv Trafalgar: private worlds though - not on a grid
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I only read Gwyn's remarks to Tateru's column
hobbs Constantine: link please
AJ Brooks: It is true that LL is in financial shape, but that kind of money doesn't stop stupid decision makeing
Arielion Clawtooth: ::whew:: whistles in amazement
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get those URLs
Margaret Michalski: Have not heard of Forterra but I am not surprised that metaplace is closing
AJ Brooks: why do you say that Margaret?
Mimi Muircastle: yes, I am curious too
Margaret Michalski: I visited several of the "educational" and I did not see anything educational about it
Byron Genira: Do you believe this is a trend that will eventually affect Second Life?
Ahlan Oh: How is Heritage doing?
Marc Rexen: Downturn has hit everyone.
AJ Brooks: its too bad we didn't get to have our meeting there - there was a good deal gong on educationally
AgileBill Firehawk: maybe fewer competitors will strengthen the remaining providers?
AJ Brooks: I think the industry is at the bottom of the Gartner's trough of disillusionment
Arielion Clawtooth: Certainly seems like OpenSim would benefit
AJ Brooks: I'm sure SL will be a player for a long time to come
Mimi Muircastle: yes, there were some good things just beginning in MP - but no time to develop
Margaret Michalski: If they would have waited a month
AJ Brooks: but I think others are hot on their heels
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Gwyn's remarks were on SLED, btw, not Massively. Here's her post: http://gwynethllewelyn.net/2009/12/22/metaplaces-out-of-business-will-blue-mars-outlast-it/
hobbs Constantine: danka
Mimi Muircastle: I think there need to be many virtual worlds, each with their own focus
AJ Brooks: If I had to guess
Margaret Michalski: @ mimi the best educational place I have see was on occupational therapy.
AJ Brooks: I'd say Reaction Grid is the most likely candidate to give LL a run for its money
Arielion Clawtooth: Buy in as we all know is tremendously difficult. Especially for such huge organizations. Explaining spending money to the dubious is difficult.
AJ Brooks: KZero estimates there are just under 400 VWs right now
AgileBill Firehawk: well, IBM Just had their Academy of Technology conference in November using SLE. I think this technology is key. I saw a presentation by State Farm Insurance on how they are Doing agile using Teleplace.
AJ Brooks: and that number will hit 900 in just two years
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right--Even Princeton reduced its SL content
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ, Really? I would say Heritage Key is also a good competition.
AgileBill Firehawk: it's not a matter of "if" virtual worlds. It's a matter of "which", and "when"
Mimi Muircastle: true, Bill
AgileBill Firehawk smiles
AJ Brooks: well - I just wanted to toss that our there - we'll hear more about this in two weeks when we have that start studded panel on the 5th
Arielion Clawtooth: Not to bite the hand, but SL is on a slippery slope if it keeps offending users and making itself more commercial and less educational focussed.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: HK is great for tourists, Margaret. But right now there's a lot of Egyptian sand and not enough sandboxes
Viv Trafalgar: I think that there's some exciting stuff coming out next year - Heritage Key, and Reaction Grid
AJ Brooks: Arielion, we are a very small part of their big picture - very small
Mimi Muircastle: :)
Mimi Muircastle: true, AJ
AJ Brooks: SL makes it s money on the social users
AJ Brooks: 15%
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, But it has great potential
AJ Brooks: thats all we are, 15%
AJ Brooks: us and businesses
AJ Brooks: 85% is all social
AJ Brooks: so where are they going to focus?
AJ Brooks: If you can keep 85 people out of every 100 happy - you're doing ok
AJ Brooks: anyway - lets talk about meetings
Mimi Muircastle: yes, that is a huge #
AJ Brooks: and how to facilitate them
AJ Brooks: and events
Ahlan Oh: If educators are content with their own, internal socialization, we will ultimate migrate to education only sims.
AJ Brooks: and what tools we use
Arielion Clawtooth: The Apple paradigm was to give away Macs to schools & hook them while they're young. SL might try hooking educators & students.
Cilian McCullough: all ears AJ...
Byron Genira: I think that SL has a lot of powerful potential for usage with education, but there's definitely some major issues to deal with first.
AJ Brooks: I knew it would be hard to focus everyone after that fireball I tossed
AJ Brooks: but I have to try. :-)
Cilian McCullough: :-)
Arielion Clawtooth: Sorry. Was already half typed. ;o)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL snowball
Mimi Muircastle: go for it AJ!
Teachergirl Razor smiling
Ahlan Oh tries focussing....
AgileBill Firehawk: what issues Byron? I feel I see a "Gamadox" with my clients
AJ Brooks: lol
Mimi Muircastle: ommmmmm
Ahlan Oh: ummmmm
AgileBill Firehawk: some see a game and think it's not for work. some see a game and think Finally, now I'll really learn something!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how has the slide-show viewer we've used at recent meetings helped
AJ Brooks: so - how many of us here run meetings - not attend them, but run them
Cilian McCullough: I do...
AJ Brooks: i do
AgileBill Firehawk raises hand, to run them
AJ Brooks: obviously
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oops--Q for AJ that went into chat
Ahlan Oh: Si!
Mimi Muircastle: not yet, but love to learn how :)
Margaret Michalski: not me
Teachergirl Razor: other than classes?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia raises hand about running meetings
AJ Brooks: the not mes don't need to say, just the mes
AJ Brooks: no - classes count
Ahlan Oh: oh!....
AJ Brooks: those are meetings
Liana Hubbenfluff: now and then
Ahlan Oh: discussions?
hobbs Constantine: me
Teachergirl Razor: well then I have
Ricardo Pessoa: not me
Liana Hubbenfluff: me
Silver Tomorrow: yep
AJ Brooks: formal discussions - I guess so yes
Viv Trafalgar raises hand, especially if Salon counts
Byron Genira: Security for one. In your class, someone launches a script that spawns tons of bouncing pictures of "Bush" bouncing around. Who did it? Security in the classroom is a hard issue with SL, from what I've seen.
AJ Brooks: um - Byron - sorry to ask - but was that in response to something?
Ahlan Oh: lol
AgileBill Firehawk: yes, you have to be trained (may be in response to my Q)
AJ Brooks: oh - ok
Byron Genira: Hi AJ, yes -- I had mentioned earlier that there are some issues that SL needs to improve (or deal with) before SL is really ready for professional use in the classroom.
AJ Brooks: ah - ok, thanks - I was confused, I was hoping to move thigns on - but this brings up a good point
Cilian McCullough: Easy enough to manage on a private sim Byron...
AJ Brooks: how do we control text chat conversation in a meeting
AJ Brooks: how do we control side bar conversations?
AJ Brooks: how does the meeting facilitator keep control?
AJ Brooks: those of you who run meetings, how do you do it?
Ahlan Oh: existential questions!
Ahlan Oh: persistence
AJ Brooks: lol - essential - not so much existential - lol
Byron Genira: Frustration, from what I've seen.. :-)
Ahlan Oh: flexibility
AJ Brooks: persistance, Ahlan - say more
Cilian McCullough: The issue depends entirely on the size of the meeting and the facilitator...
AgileBill Firehawk: I've seen some people ask folks to start questions with a "?", and responsd with another character when answered. That way the log has all the text together instead of interspersed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Olivia does a better job than I do at this, but the focusing questions keep her meetings on task
Ahlan Oh: sometimes you need to say the same thing a few times, and maybe in different ways to get people re-focused
Ahlan Oh: sometimes you need to deal with where the group needs to go
Mimi Muircastle: really not so different than in RL from what I have seen so far
AJ Brooks: yes - my meetings tend to be more like a firehose that is not being held on to
Cilian McCullough: Keeping to a rigorous timeline makes a huge difference
Margaret Michalski: From what I have seen if a conversations flows with the topic the facilatator does not say much
AgileBill Firehawk: LMAOO!
Arielion Clawtooth: LOL. That's not fair to you AJ.
AJ Brooks: :)
AJ Brooks: i like the chaos
Mimi Muircastle: good pt. Margaret
Cilian McCullough: "now AJ will speak for 3 minutes on ham sandwiches..."
AJ Brooks: but I've learned how to deal with it
Ahlan Oh: maybe we're all here because we too like the chaos!
Arielion Clawtooth: No, no, not ham!
AJ Brooks: so - I've only heard from one or two
Margaret Michalski: It is good to keep a conversation flowing if possible. Only when things get off the topic things can get messy.
AJ Brooks: the rest of you who said you run meetings
AgileBill Firehawk: part of that is true Ahlan - I do kind of like the free flowing backchat
AJ Brooks: how do you control the text chat flow?
Teachergirl Razor: I find a lot of the issues are agreed upon procedures like ensuring people have their typing animation on
Cilian McCullough: Thinkbalm host some tight meetings in SL...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Now we only get a bit of chaos when AJ begins with a bombshell Q as he did today :)
AJ Brooks: lol
Teachergirl Razor: and a range of other ones
AJ Brooks: stick - 1, beehive - 0
Ahlan Oh: bombshells are the antithesis of a tightly run meeting
AJ Brooks: yes - they are Ahlan
AJ Brooks: but they get people talking
AJ Brooks: and thinking
Cilian McCullough: And that brings us back to the agenda AJ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Backchat is nothing new if you ever taught with IM clients like Daedalus Interchange or a MOO
Arielion Clawtooth: I like the idea of special characters ::Backchannel::
Ahlan Oh: i'm not sorry. you raised an issue of interest and the team wants to discuss.
Ahlan Oh: nothing wrong there
Cilian McCullough: what is the goal of the meeting...
AJ Brooks: notice how all but a few have stopped participating
AgileBill Firehawk: ?
Ricardo Pessoa: I'm here
AgileBill Firehawk: Comment re how to make it flow
Ahlan Oh sits down and he's quiet
AJ Brooks: lol Ahlan
Teachergirl Razor: I also find that it is useful to do what AJ is doing already -- notice and comment if needed
Byron Genira: LOL
AgileBill Firehawk: some folks design their venues in a circle, and call on folks one my one in circular order.
AJ Brooks: thx for noticing, TR
Cilian McCullough: I'd love some info on the meeting tools...
Arielion Clawtooth: You said only those who run meetings should participate so the rest of us are sitting on our...hands...
Marc Rexen: That's because we've stopped adding inane chat, now that we're in the meeting, and are focusing on only typing good questions and comments.
Mimi Muircastle: I really feel it is much like the skills most of us have had to develop in running RL meetings
AJ Brooks: I agree Mimi
Shailey Garfield: it is important to have spaces and design of spaces that match with the context of the meeting...
AgileBill Firehawk: people can pass, requeue, voice, or text, or text via a prepared note (technique I learned from Pamala Clift at her presentation on the subject at Rockcliffe's Business Forum)
AJ Brooks: well - Cilian, its important to understand behaviour before you can pick the right tool to help, no?
Mimi Muircastle: big need, Shailey - great pt
Shailey Garfield: also, I have noted that having a facilitator helps
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: think of how the table itself focuses us
AgileBill Firehawk: re @Shailey / spaces /me nods
Ahlan Oh: the important thing is discerning what is happening in the discussion. Is it on track? is it on a good track? are people engaged? does it meet your criteria for success?
Shailey Garfield: so one person takes care of any technical problems...
Margaret Michalski: It also depends if it a group of the same people working together or a different group every time
Shailey Garfield: and the other person runs the meeting...
hobbs Constantine: I like calling on people by name. People like their names.
Marc Rexen: A facilitator is important -- it is easy to get tracked off.
AJ Brooks: ty hobbs
Shailey Garfield: the facilitator can also keep a look out on the text chat
Byron Genira: However, don't you seem to find that there's more of a playful / gaming attitude here than there is in the classroom?
Mimi Muircastle: or not, hobbs - sometimes that is a disincentive to speak if you are not ready
Jarrad Voom: Yes people like to be called by there names Hobbs
Cilian McCullough: Not sure I follow AJ, perhaps I am coming from a "simpler" environment
hobbs Constantine: depends on the relationship already established.
AJ Brooks: TY Jarrad, thatÕs right Hobbs
AJ Brooks: LOL
Mimi Muircastle: @Byron, not if you have a middle school background like I do:)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and a facilitator can send out advance Qs to the group, as Olivia has done and I've tried to do
Shailey Garfield: time management is important as I have noted that how much immersive you make through the rich discussions or design of spaces, it becomes tiring for students after 45 minutes or so.
hobbs Constantine: I like to meet everyone first one on one before I start
Marc Rexen: Early on, yes Byron, but after you've done a lot of these, you realize how precious each comment becomes.
Mimi Muircastle: important pt. Iggy
Teachergirl Razor: the @function of side chat is most useful when they go back to read their transcript of the class -- in fact I encourage people to log the chat and then reassemble it so that they learn how ramblings can make sense
Byron Genira: Ah, I guess it just depends on the environment that one is used to teaching in. ;-)
Ahlan Oh: the main drawback from this kind of free for all is that for those whose first language is not English, there is a disadvantage. Probably also true for 2-finger typists
Jarrad Voom: Yes AJ
Mimi Muircastle: yup!
Margaret Michalski: Advance questions are good for complicated topics that require pre meditation
Shailey Garfield: we tend to use voice and make notes in the end in the text chat
AJ Brooks: now - there are tools out that that control chat flow
AJ Brooks: there is a box one can rez
AJ Brooks: and when one stands on it - they have the floor
Mimi Muircastle: I am thinking about today's topic, and while I know what it is, I was unclear on what you wanted this group meeting to produce
AJ Brooks: there are also chairs with arm raise scripts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ is good at drawing part of a discussion to a close and moving us on...I lack that skill
Mimi Muircastle: lol, Iggy
AJ Brooks: Its no different than in Class, Iggy
Ahlan Oh: a facilitator requires confidence. AJ has that!
Byron Genira: What do you guys recommend for recording the various chat communications? Records are a good thing, especially if any questions ever arise.
AJ Brooks: thats what we do in class, no?
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, you are to harsh on yourself.
AJ Brooks: Byron - you mean the text chat?
Teachergirl Razor smiling
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: In class I'm GREAT at moving things along :)
Ricardo Pessoa: that box sounds interesting for running a classroom, AJ
Byron Genira: AJ, text chat, instead of voice chat here in SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have an intimidating voice and presence, I'm told, IRL :)
AJ Brooks: Joe - what do you use?
Shailey Garfield: I have sometimes noticed that some chairs have odd seating scripts - almost lying down/relaxing sometimes. Students don't like that - and is not comfortable for tutors too - that is why design of spaces and the postures etc. are important
AJ Brooks: why don't you share with us how you do the transcripts for the SLER/VWER
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--IRL the Lebanese Stare
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: or maybe not
hobbs Constantine: I also like that here, you usually have a tech person standing by. they can do backchannel to fix bumps.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, the transcript process is as follows
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 1) I get the text file into Word, and spellcheck
hobbs Constantine: Most good meetings have 2 facilitators that way
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 2) I save it as text and bring it into Dreamweaver
Teachergirl Razor: the only problem I have had with a platform or a box is there are those who fill a lot of space and want a soap box
AJ Brooks: so - Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 3) There I make the links live and add photos from our groups at VWER
Silver Tomorrow: an those who don't want to stand on it i imagine
Mimi Muircastle: I am curious, Iggy - why move it into Dreamweaver?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 4) Then I share it...that what you wanted?
AJ Brooks: you just copy and past the regular text chat - you don't use a tool for that
Ahlan Oh: Razor, selective MUTE sometimes works
Birdie Newcomb: The box I've seen doesn't prevent others speaking, ub it warns them, repeatedly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Mimi, because I can switch between DW and Firefox quickly to check links and appearance
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Word's spellcheck is superior, however.
Mimi Muircastle: got it, ty
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ, I do additional modifications to the transcripts for voice.
Byron Genira: Dreamweaver makes it very easy for people to publish information into a nicely formatted HTML document.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Bryon, I agree--better than GoLive or (gack) Front Page.
AJ Brooks: Iggy - what do you turn off again to make sure unnecessary things don't end up in the chat?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ, I don't remove any text except
Byron Genira: @ Ignatius - I agree.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: extra Thank Yous, etc.
Birdie Newcomb: IMs?
AJ Brooks: what about when friends sign on and off?
AJ Brooks: don't you turn off some functionality?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I put in a line space between chat entries and I remove all "XYZ is online"
Byron Genira: Question: Do you guy currently use SL with your classrooms?
AJ Brooks: ok - thx
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no--I don't turn anything off except I remove time-stamps from my log and remove my radar HUD
Viv Trafalgar: you can toggle that off in preferences Iggy
AJ Brooks: time stamps - that was it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Viv--I know but am lazy :)
Viv Trafalgar: @Iggy ... riiight.
Teachergirl Razor: @Byron both -- with classroom and totally in SL
Rachelle Munro: yes, radar hud puts lot of extras in that is time consuming to remove
AJ Brooks: so - other than controlling local chat, what other challenges are there to meetings
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Viv--honestly I forget b/c I love seeing when students come online :)
Byron Genira: What about taking attendance?
Ahlan Oh: and especially voice meetings?
hobbs Constantine: @Byron: yes, we are all educators interested in using SL to some degree
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 26 on sim, for the log
hobbs Constantine: voice interruptions
Byron Genira: @ Hobbs, I agree. However, I wasn't sure if you are currently using it, or if you are here for exploratory purposes. :-)
Margaret Michalski: Well, some do a bad job when it comes to presenting info with presentations or other
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: when we had Tom Boellstorff, we had to think about griefing
Margaret Michalski: but nobody here: )
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: turned off flying
AJ Brooks: and Jon Himoff also
Birdie Newcomb: @Iggy - holidays
AJ Brooks: turn off flying
AJ Brooks: yup
AJ Brooks: and voice
Rachelle Munro: @ Byron, I leave the Radar Hud on for about first 5 min of class, to capture attendance, then turn off for easier transcrbing
AJ Brooks: its back on now
AJ Brooks: great tip
AJ Brooks: use of radar hud to take attendance
AgileBill Firehawk: good idea Rachelle
Byron Genira: @Ignatius - Griefing is a major problem here in SL with people coming into the classroom just for "fun."
AJ Brooks: so - we have several tools alread, no?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: rezzing can be a problem...a griefer can rezz particles or megaprims
AgileBill Firehawk: true @Byron
AJ Brooks: teh box - which I think you can get at ICT
Byron Genira: @Rachelle -- great idea...
Birdie Newcomb: Is radar hud an option or a device?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Byron--get ban rights :)
AJ Brooks: the use of the radar hud
AJ Brooks: mystitool is a radar hud - or has one in it
Birdie Newcomb: Ah
AJ Brooks: tells you where people are, how far away, etc....
Rachelle Munro: @Agile, yes and when students know attendance is taken first 5 minutes...more likely to show up on time..or ahead of time :)
Byron Genira: True, however, not everyone has a private island yet -- and some griefers have nasty scripts that causing stuff to come raining down throughout the entire sim.
AJ Brooks: rachelle - great tip
Rachelle Munro: Crystal Gadgets has free radar hud
hobbs Constantine: There might be a radar hud over at the freebie mall next door?
Silver Tomorrow: crystal gadgets radar is nice too - and it's free
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Byron, buy a good security orb
Zotarah Shepherd: You can always put up a barrier if you want no interruptions during class.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and put your students on the access list
AJ Brooks: well - there is nothing you can do about that Bryon
Byron Genira: @Ignatius -- Cool. However, what if they aren't on your land?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or set access by group or person on the parcel
AJ Brooks: people can get through barriers - especially griefers
AJ Brooks: there is little or anything you can really do if you have no control over the land
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I had a griefer drag 7 H-bombs onto my mainland sim--you can block object entry in the about land settings
Byron Genira: They love to use "abandoned" land nearby to cause a headache. ;-)
AgileBill Firehawk: has the griefing made it so we need to use another tool like venuegen or teleplace for meetings?
Ahlan Oh: are people having more or less problem with griefers these days?
Marc Rexen: unexpectedly have to go...
AJ Brooks: well - griefers are another issue, not for today's conversation
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: fewer problems....and I cross my fingers
hobbs Constantine: yes, can we stay on topic please?
AJ Brooks: perhaps for another meeting - how to deal with griefers
Jerod Bagley: What are venugen and teleplace?
AJ Brooks: I have tool I use that is indispensible
Silhshoot Seelowe: Would it be helpful to have a teaching assistant to manage security and classroom functions?
Rachelle Munro: know how to use the freeze and eject function for griefers
AJ Brooks: it is what I use to give out the announcements at the beginning of each meeting
AJ Brooks: its called SpeakEasy
AJ Brooks: and I love it
AJ Brooks: put what you want to say into a notecare
AJ Brooks: and every time you hit the HUD
AJ Brooks: its posts a line
AJ Brooks: like this
hobbs Constantine: so that's your secret
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj, is it limited to characters?
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable. (AJ demos more of the Speakeasy)
Rachelle Munro: @great, AJ
AJ Brooks: etc
hobbs Constantine: I just thought you were eloquent.
AJ Brooks: there is no way I can type that fast
Zotarah Shepherd: Ban griefers immediately if it is intentional and report them to LL
AJ Brooks: yes - its restricted to 255 character on a line
Ahlan Oh: and... the coolest trick is to prepare your talk, and then deliver it verbally while you scroll the text. Instant transcript!
AJ Brooks: yes - I do that all the time
AJ Brooks: especially when I present - good point Ahlan
Jerod Bagley: That is a great tip
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--makes voice meetings go much better that way
AJ Brooks: who else has a tool they use that they like
Zotarah Shepherd: Rule #1 Never grief a griefer. They can report YOU then.
Ahlan Oh: what's rule #2?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia LOVES the Hippo slide viewer tool
AJ Brooks: Lets try to stay on topic, I"m getting a number of IMs about it. Thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: just set delay to 20 seconds for a meeting like this.
Ahlan Oh: lol
Ahlan Oh: sorry
AJ Brooks: hippo slide viewr is excellent
AJ Brooks: I also like the one that stores the images to be shown 3 back
AJ Brooks: so there is not lag
Ricardo Pessoa: a url would be handy ;)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll find their URL: http://www.hippo-technologies.co.uk/products/index.php
AgileBill Firehawk: sometimes I wonder if classes benefit from a balance of speakeasy text and live text. Sometimes I'm a little bummed if it's all canned
Ricardo Pessoa: thanks Ignatius!
Viv Trafalgar: I like the Presentation HUD with Intelliload - it's free and mod
AJ Brooks: you can do both
AJ Brooks: like this - watch
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AgileBill Firehawk: (Turbo Presomatic rocks)
AJ Brooks: insert comment
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Viv Trafalgar: being free, i'm not sure it's up on XStreet
AJ Brooks: insert next comment
Margaret Michalski: How is speak easy helpful outside of announcements?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Viv, put the maker's name into chat
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and we can find a SLURL later
Viv Trafalgar: i will - looking now
Silver Tomorrow: i've used canned text for going thru slides too. it's very helpful
AJ Brooks: great for class presentations
Teachergirl Razor: yes
AJ Brooks: conference presentations
AJ Brooks: not just announcements
Viv Trafalgar: @ Iggy - Dudeney Ge - Presentation HUD Intelliload
AJ Brooks: and since you can move in and out of using it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Viv!
Ahlan Oh: acceptance addresses
AJ Brooks: Ge makes the SpeakEasy also I think
AJ Brooks: lol @ Ahlan
AJ Brooks: yup - Ge also makes the SPeak Easy tool
Ahlan Oh: Ge = Gene Vu?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a hint at setups--I found that having some furniture for voice meetings ready to go really really helps...just sink it into the ground when you don't need it
AJ Brooks: Dudeney Ge
Ahlan Oh: ahh
Ahlan Oh: thx
AgileBill Firehawk: cool @Ignatius
AJ Brooks: ok - so, we covered slides, and text chat, and presentations/announcement text
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we hoist this table WAY up in the air, too, for those meetings. Just be SURE you share these items w/ your organizer gorup
Margaret Michalski: If you would have to name your one favorite tool which would it be?
AgileBill Firehawk: (gotta roll, thanks all!)
AJ Brooks: later bill
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Bill--love that avi!
AJ Brooks: Mine would be the speakeasy
AgileBill Firehawk: :-)
Rachelle Munro: bye bill
Ahlan Oh: speakeasy.
Ricardo Pessoa: ever heard about Holo emmiter ?
Ahlan Oh: (where do you get one of these magic tables and chairs?)
Jerod Bagley: Ge Dudeney also has a nice presentation tool
hobbs Constantine: knowing people who know other things
Silver Tomorrow: mystitool
AJ Brooks: Ge does some awesome work
AJ Brooks: well - mystitool is not really a meeting or event tool
Zotarah Shepherd: Mystitool is essential
AJ Brooks: now -= for OVERALL tools - it has to by the Mystitool
Jerod Bagley: Yes!
Zotarah Shepherd: This table is part of the Mystitool
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Ahlan, Mytitool can be bought at Xstreets: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=120285
Silver Tomorrow: yeah the table is something you see at many meetings
Teachergirl Razor: agreed re Mysti
AJ Brooks: or buy it from her directly - at her store on Blumfield
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: creator's main store is at: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Blumfield/26/147/297
AJ Brooks: :-) I'm proud to say, never really saw it much before the SLER meetings
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: she's Mystical Cookie
AJ Brooks: Mysti is a dear friend, and an awesome scripter and builder
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I got one in a pinch at Xstreets the night we could not rezz our chairs here :D
Zotarah Shepherd: I have used it to deal with griefers.
Ahlan Oh: you used the table to deal with griefers?
Mimi Muircastle: I would be lost without my Mysti :) that too Zo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: bop 'em with a chair!
Ahlan Oh imagines hitting them over the head with it
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
hobbs Constantine: oh, the night of the wee table Iggy
AJ Brooks: Yes - Z - good point - it IS a good tool to deal with griefers
Silhshoot Seelowe: boxed them?
Mimi Muircastle: or evaporate the chair :)
Zotarah Shepherd: It does a lot more.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia loves teasing Kali about her table
AJ Brooks: her wee table
Viv Trafalgar: Mysti is mighty
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: aye lad
AJ Brooks: what other tools do you guys who run meetings or classes like to use
hobbs Constantine: @Iggy, you need to bring that table to the party next week, good for snuggling
Zotarah Shepherd: You can go into a place where someone is using a push weapon and the "bullets" go right through you. Useful on public teen grid
Rachelle Munro: snag it or other screen capture program
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @hobbs--this is a PG sim! I'll be away next week, anyhow :(
Silver Tomorrow: i've used angrybeth's whiteboard a bit
AJ Brooks: hobbs, who are you snuggling with?
Zotarah Shepherd: And a friend of mine thinks it is fun to get orbited now and then.
Mimi Muircastle: the agenda is slipping away:)
AJ Brooks: a question came to me about finding out who has scripts running on a parcel
Margaret Michalski: @ Silver, do you like whiteboard?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL it's the holiday cheer, mimi!
Zotarah Shepherd: I use it to teach Griefing Issues
AJ Brooks: where is that again?
Mimi Muircastle: finally:)
Zotarah Shepherd: Look in Region
Zotarah Shepherd: Under World
AJ Brooks: right - found it
Silver Tomorrow: Yes it's pretty good...can go backward and forward
Zotarah Shepherd: Good idea to restart your sim before a big event too.
Viv Trafalgar: @mimi, blame the eggnog
AJ Brooks: is there any way to know on a parcel level who has scripts running
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone know of a tool to show Quicktime movies w/o being able to set the media stream on the parcel?
Shailey Garfield: I have to go as it is close to midnight in the UK. See you all soon and thanks for useful discussions and best wishes for the holidays.
Mimi Muircastle: I haven't even had any :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Happy holidays, Shailey
Mimi Muircastle: cheers, Shailey - nice to meet you
AJ Brooks: make sure to come to the party next week
Shailey Garfield: Same here, AJ and others, Bye
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I tried VCOMM but it did not work except on my own land.
Ahlan Oh: bye shailey
Zotarah Shepherd: I have a multi-media screen.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: has anyone seen the doc sharing tools at SL Enterprise?
AJ Brooks: i understand YouTube is comgin soon as well as Flash - any truth to that?
Margaret Michalski: I would think that video would be difficult to get working. Everyone would have to have the latest Quicktime.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, I'd love to know more about that!
Mimi Muircastle: me too, Zo - I need some thing like that on my Refuge build
Byron Genira: @AJ, I am not surprised by the YouTube, but I do have questions about copyright issues involved with that.
AJ Brooks: as long as its not stored, it can be shown from youtube
Ahlan Oh: [must go--my wife just slipped on the ice! Have a great set of holidays everyone. Thanks AJ for all your work and leadership!]
Zotarah Shepherd: Damani MediaViewer
Birdie Newcomb: Dudeney Ge has other edtech tools on one of the EduNation sims.
AJ Brooks: Sl is only acting as another way to see the video, same as the web
Mimi Muircastle: ty zo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Zo
hobbs Constantine: bye Ahlan!
AJ Brooks: that is covered under Fair Use
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Damanios Thetan is the maker of that tool--the Damani Mediaviewer
AJ Brooks: ack - look at that, our time is up already - wow
Mimi Muircastle: ty Iggy
Mimi Muircastle: see AJ - good meeting in spite of slow beginning :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SLURL for his shop: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Damania/190/127/37
Liana Hubbenfluff: This text history is going to be so valuable; thx everyone!
Rachelle Munro: thanks, AJ for all the great tool ideas!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks AJ! Happy Holidays to all of you. I'll miss the party next week so don't behave, you hear!
Mimi Muircastle: having a list like this for newer folks like me is great
AJ Brooks: NOOOOO
hobbs Constantine: Another chaotic meeting. Just the way we like it
AJ Brooks: miss the party!
AJ Brooks: damn
Margaret Michalski: Iggy, we will miss you next week!
AJ Brooks: well - I was just going to say
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heh--come help me get the tractor out of the frozen mud, k?
AJ Brooks: make sure not to miss our party next week
Mimi Muircastle: happy holidays, all :) peace
Liana Hubbenfluff: yes! awesome! but now I have more questions....argh
Viv Trafalgar: thank you Iggy & AJ
AJ Brooks: good liana, so you'll need to come back to more meetings. :-)
Birdie Newcomb: ty for a good year
Liana Hubbenfluff: I'll figure it out thx
Liana Hubbenfluff: I'll be back
Mimi Muircastle: take care all :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Liana--good--bring colleagues!
Viv Trafalgar: Stay warm everyone :)
hobbs Constantine: yes, it was a good year, I second Birdie's notion
AJ Brooks: thanks everyone - spread the word about the logo competition and our party next week
Ricardo Pessoa: bye!
AJ Brooks: it will be fun for all - especially the Winter of our Memories build
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ty to all our SLERers soon to be VWERers!
Jerod Bagley: Thanks AJ and Iggy and Margaret and everyone for a good year.
Byron Genira: Thank you.
AJ Brooks: yes - congrats to us all
Liana Hubbenfluff: later RAchelle
AJ Brooks: the last meeting ever of the SLER is over
Silver Tomorrow: bye all
Liana Hubbenfluff: thx
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: long live the VWER!
Rachelle Munro: bye Liana and all
AJ Brooks: party first - then VWER it iS!
