Topic: Roleplay in Education. Special Guest Viv Trafalgar
Iggy's notes: Thanks to ponderosafish for photos! Find more at our VWER groups at Flickr and Koinup, and add your own!
There are a number of excellent URLs posted in the transcript by Viv Trafalgar, pointing educators to good sites for learning about roleplay or giving it a try. Rather than repeat them here, I'll provide a jump-to link for those wanting to get the information.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our meeting today is on Roleplay in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and I want to welcome our special Guest, Viv Trafalgar, co-designer of the Armada Breakaway Sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and consultant with Rezzable, designer of the Steamfish educational game
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: btw, great topic next week
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I need to correct that
Viv Trafalgar: sure do :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the old SL RT group is now closed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we have a new group, the Virtual Worlds Education RT group
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you need to join, let me know
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Mirt Tenk: Iggy do they both get the same announcements?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and join us...we will officially be that group staring in January
Mirt Tenk: I always need to drop a group!
Zotarah Shepherd grins
Wena Merlin: are we all automatically enrolled?
Kali Pizzaro: 28 on [the island] for the transcript
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and yes, same announcements for now
Zotarah Shepherd: If you are in SLER you can drop that one to join VWER
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but in January, the old SLER group will be no more--so come on over!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
Dagmar Kojishi: Wena, you have to explicitly join, or ask to be added.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS, which is home to our Quidditch pitch and the SL MSU Library,
Dagmar Kojishi: Doesn't happen automatically.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--you won't roll over automatically
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Kathryn
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
Mirt Tenk: Esme!
Kathryn Pleides: hi
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Today's meeting is in text chat.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
Olivia Hotshot: If anyone would like a group invitation to VWER I would happy to help. Just send me an IM
Zotarah Shepherd: I am glad to TP folks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I'm now teaching my fourth class with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't be shy--who's here?
Lolly Dovgal: Laura Sederberg from California State University, Chico.
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Cart, Research Information Specialist from the Univ of Illinois at Chicago.
Teri Boxen: teri lind California State university East bay
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. Part of that is an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills on an educational sim called Ralanora. I also have a build for Multiple Intelligences.
Dagmar Kojishi: Donn King from Pellissippi State Community College, Knoxville, TN.
zhska Takacs: Jessica Sanchez, UTPA In charge of developing our virtual campus in SL and training our faculty in going into the environment
Profdan Netizen: I'm Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI, teaching writing.
Mirt Tenk: Suzie Medders from Clemson University
Firery Broome: University of Delaware
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, college publisher
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Lecturer in Advanced Practice nursing Glasgow Caledonian University
Dusty Artaud: Randi Kopp, Kidsbridge Tolerance Museum, TCNJ, NJ
Kathryn Pleides: Kathryn Frech, school librarian and general techie
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico, technology & learning program, eductor and alaround nice chick.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yep
Mimi Muircastle: Mimi of retired prin. land, metaplace and my Friends of the wildlife refuge project :)
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Zdenek Buchsbaum, student Mgr. degree Czech republic - LIS domain
Kali Pizzaro: haha Olivia
Lolly Dovgal: And photographer
Hunter McAndrews: Scott Francis, Leadership studies, Gonzaga University> Spokane WA
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone else?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: going once....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: twice....
Viv Trafalgar: is an educator, writer, builder -most recently the Visiting Fellow in Virtual Worlds at University of the Arts, Philadelphia, and I work for Rezzable and Heritage Key, as well as at House of Usher
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yay!
Viv Trafalgar: hahah
Viv Trafalgar: took me long enough
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: three times...
Esme Qunhua: Jane Wilde, College instructor - Department of Education. Vermont US
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sold to the Poe-esque gent in the black cloak with a raven on his shoulder!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: before we begin
Zotarah Shepherd: I keep my info in my Profile Notes so I just copy and paste. That works except when I forget top update it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and I put some Qs to Viv and all of you
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Viv was generous enough to let me bring some Victorian outfits with me
Viv Trafalgar: that's a good idea Zotarah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they are being given to the students and visitors to the House of Usher. They are opposite us near the Montclair sign
Zotarah Shepherd: Welcome Marc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: please help yourselves...Viv's a talented designer, builder, and scripter
Zotarah Shepherd: When the chairs rez please have a seat
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and she's very active in our simulation with the students--tonight's our last night!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We'll repeat it next term for two courses in Rhetoric and Composition
Viv Trafalgar: Usher's been a heap of fun.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that study Poe
Lolly Dovgal: All TEXT chat today?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes..text today
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's my first experience in SL with RP
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: though I've designed games and played them for 30+ years
Lolly Dovgal: OH, really???!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my D&D campaign is going strong, still
Zotarah Shepherd: Nice duds Iggy Thanks
Margaret Michalski: Highly recommended it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks to Viv, Zo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: she made them :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I just wear her stuff
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Viv
Kathryn Pleides: whoo! thank you, Viv!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but for me, many of the same world-building skills from game-mastering have helped
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to build this educational simulation
Viv Trafalgar: hehe - geeks bearing gifts :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heehee
Kali Pizzaro: hidden talents Iggy
Dagmar Kojishi: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so let's start with a Q to the group
Kathryn Pleides: Any problems with sharing them on to another of my own avatars?
Viv Trafalgar: RP is a great reason to study your material - It's a performance. In order to do well, you need to prepare well. People can be motivate to learn what their characters would know. (so they don't look clueless)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how many of you have experience with roleplay in SL?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes or no
Viv Trafalgar: yes
Grinn Pidgeon: no
Mimi Muircastle: no
Len Millar: no
Geoff Lumley: no
Profdan Netizen: no
Esme Qunhua: yes
Dagmar Kojishi: no
zhska Takacs: no
Zdenek Buchsbaum: no
Kali Pizzaro: simulation but no roleplay
Margaret Michalski: just as of recently
Marc Rexen: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: YES
Mimi Muircastle: but very curious about it :)
Kathryn Pleides raises a hand. Sort of. I have a Tiny
Len Millar: no
Wena Merlin: no
CathyWyo1 Haystack: no too lazy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia loves tinies
Olivia Hotshot: yes
Lolly Dovgal: yes
Kali Pizzaro: a tiny what
Zotarah Shepherd: It helped me to do roleplay in Avilion and other elvish sims and take classes. I learned a lot from them.
Birdie Newcomb: no
Len Millar: yes curious!! indeed..excited about it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: mostly no so far..
Birdie Newcomb: well, sometimes
LittleToe Bartlett: define 'roleplay'...
Mirt Tenk: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so I'll ask Viv, because that's a loaded term
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how does Viv define it?
Viv Trafalgar: It is - thanks LT!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: then let's hear how you all do...
Kathryn Pleides: I tried one 'real' role-play sim, but the folks running it were too serious and grim for me.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I realize that "simulation" may be a more fortunate term with admins
Viv Trafalgar: well some of the RP sims are very serious
Marc Rexen looks over the table at LittleToe wondering on what level he would like an answer.
Grinn Pidgeon: is it acting or playing?
Zotarah Shepherd: pretending to behave and speak as if you were another with other people doing that.
Viv Trafalgar: because this isa craft or an art form as much as anything
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: acting or playing for me, yes
Zotarah Shepherd: Also there are several RP guidelines.
Viv Trafalgar: how we defined RP initially in Armada is thus: "Role Play is like live street theater, where you may be pulled into the action. If you have mimicked an accent; fancied yourself a hottentot, hussar, or harridan for a moment or several, you may have what it takes to participate in a great role play."
Viv Trafalgar: but Deadwood defines it differently
Zotarah Shepherd: If you want to tell a story with a known ending, that is not RP
Margaret Michalski: acting as someone other than yourself - example doctor teacher etc
Mirt Tenk: It's behaving with less than full freedom
Mirt Tenk: there is some level of script to follow
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what's the difference at Deadwood, Viv?
Zotarah Shepherd: God-moding is not RP
Olivia Hotshot: 35 people in the sim for the transcript
Viv Trafalgar: No - and God modding deserves an explanation all its own
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you read my mind, Olivia--had the map open
Lolly Dovgal: What about opposite gender role playing?
Olivia Hotshot i try not to do that too often with you Iggy. It's scary in there.
[Dang--I missed that quip. She's right, of course]
Viv Trafalgar: Deadwood has a community built around the story of the town -
Mimi Muircastle: sorry - I need to leave - try to come back
Viv Trafalgar: and all of the players contribute to the story of the town
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Lolly, that is a personal form of RP. I'm thinking of ones where everyone is "in on it"
Zotarah Shepherd: There can be a framework story but individual characters should have a bit of freedom to improvise. Otherwise you are doing a play not RP.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as in Armada or Deadwood
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or our Usher simulation
Lolly Dovgal: OK, got you.
Kathryn Pleides is not familiar with Deadwood
Viv Trafalgar: one of the key aspects of community roleplay is that there is some form of agreement among the players - you can't just come in and start shooting and call it RP
Zotarah Shepherd: I used to teach RP classes in a few places.
Birdie Newcomb: do you need to be assigned a role, or just freeplay?
Viv Trafalgar: let me get the LM for Deadwood's guest area - it has an amazing resource for visitors as far as how they define RP
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Birdie, at Usher, we assigned roles
Viv Trafalgar: I hope i dont' tp myself
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get the URL for you
Margaret Michalski: from what I know if you assign you role play
Zotarah Shepherd: It depends on how structured the RP is Birdie.
Marc Rexen: There are often specific groups for different Roles in many sims, with a set of ruleish guidelines and often a people-based hierarchy.
Dagmar Kojishi: I know of some RP realms in World of Warcraft, as well as some RP guilds some are very serious about staying in character, and usually build their own backstories.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/House-of-Usher-Final
Viv Trafalgar: Deadwood 1876: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Phoenix%20Pass/215/155/655
Kali Pizzaro: so there is no correct way to do it people have the ability to create the story? or do they have to stick to a tight script/
Kathryn Pleides: Some RPGs let you choose your role/background/etc., some may not.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: students pretend they are friends of Roderick Usher and each has a task I give
Viv Trafalgar: That depends on what the community or class agrees upon Kali
Zotarah Shepherd: In Avilion there is an arc story, but all the characters in that world design their own character.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: all students have the goal of saving Madeline from death
Margaret Michalski: some use the term role play simulation to satisfy everyone
Birdie Newcomb: I was looking at Planeshift, they ask that you forget about yourself in order to play a certain character
Marc Rexen: Usually free-form is best, the rehearsed scenes often come off flat.
Kali Pizzaro: ok so they set ground rules before they start?
Viv Trafalgar: In an educational setting it's really important for students to understand their roles and the goal of the rp
Marc Rexen: I'll be a law enforcement official.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you are anticipating nicely my first Q to Viv
Viv Trafalgar: but it's just as important for people participating to help shape the story
Kathryn Pleides: The whole point of RP is not having a script! If there's a script, it's a play, not role-play. If there are goals and motivations, but no script, it's roleplay
Marc Rexen: There are all sorts of societal expectations with that role.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What are some crucial elements in building to encourage effective roleplay?
Kali Pizzaro: ok so they still have some learning outcomes to achieve
River Aarde: yes .. how do you mesh rp and learnign outcomes?
Viv Trafalgar: haha that's a good question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it is
Marc Rexen: and a sim will often have a Chief, Captains, beat cops, etc..
Viv Trafalgar: -- make the space usable, engaging, interactive, and fast. as fast loading as possible, with as many visual queues as you can give that these spaces are tied to a specific purpose. Make sure the players know where they are, and have some sense of what they can do, or a goal. A map is sometimes helpful, sometimes it gets in the way of the story.
Zotarah Shepherd: Like if you were to do ancient egypt or a victorian era - you couls RP a historical person or invent someone who was likely around at that time.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes at Usher I'm there, in the walls, as special-effects guy and cop
[Iggy's note: And furniture-shopper. There are many reasonably priced, low-prim period pieces out there. Though my skills have grown for bulding, I found that I did not have time to make everything. When I thanked merchants like Morris Mertel, he gave me lots of free items for Usher, including just the sort of fireplace we'd been seeking for a week!]
Margaret Michalski: in RP there is no one right way
Viv Trafalgar: you are great at it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret, there are wrong ways
Mirt Tenk: one of the usher students tried to tell Madeline how to get out of the house b/c he had a map the other night
Viv Trafalgar: make several areas for specific activities - 3 is a great number - and make sure your players transition between these to accomplish things. In Steamfish, we had a lot of the action occur on the ship because that was where the doctor was - who was essential to giving the information about the scurvy trial the students were participating in. There were two halves to the ship, and there was the nearby island.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I told my students..use nothing not available in 1847
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so even though we turned on damage no M-16s
Marc Rexen: Mix it with a scripted operating room, a Doctor, etc., and a nurse-trainee can get a pretty good look at what it's like.
Kali Pizzaro: ah iggy i have you now
Viv Trafalgar: Right - that's key - making the story seem logical
Lisa Tebaldi: there is "Forbidden City" in the web
Viv Trafalgar: and the players immersing themselves
Viv Trafalgar: another thing you can do is -- make sure the backstory is clear. Provide lots of items that tell the story and add depth, create a support website.
Kali Pizzaro: this is the mental health discussion we had
Kathryn Pleides: *nod* Background, situation, motivations
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think the term "roleplay" causes problems, but it's what you do in a good simulation
Kathryn Pleides: and resources
Viv Trafalgar: it's about a group of people coming together to tell a story
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's just that most RP in SL is recreational, for now
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, the conclusion should be somewhat correct but the in between conversation will ever be the same way twice.
Viv Trafalgar: and creating the space for that story - whether it is one about people learning how to use a tooll or work with a patient
Kali Pizzaro: complete social constructivism
Viv Trafalgar: or it is about a city or town
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--this week no two experiences at Usher have been the same
Birdie Newcomb: the ones I've heard about have no outcome.
Birdie Newcomb: no finish
Viv Trafalgar: becomes part of the experience
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the students all take different approaches
Profdan Netizen: What would you say is the difference between RP and impovization?
Viv Trafalgar: some do though Birdie
Viv Trafalgar: RP has a set of agreements - visual or otherwise
Mirt Tenk: good questions Profdan
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan--improv makes for good RP, but it's not the sum total of it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we use props like this guy
Viv Trafalgar: It is obvious upon entering a grocery store that certain behaviours are expected and others are not. You do not, for instance, look for the sauna, or begin to spelunk.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Viv. I have seen some RPs with too little background and it is confusing to find something to do. But if the story is too structured then the freedom to role-play is very limited.
Wena Merlin: and what is the difference between RL and a task?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I move him around and make ghastly noises
Viv Trafalgar: Right - too much structure and you wonder why they aren't using bots
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe yes
Viv Trafalgar: unless there's a game element to the RP, which there can be
Wena Merlin: task, sorry
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, the students have specific tasks at Usher
Viv Trafalgar: an RP and a task - well there can be tasks in RP
Len Millar: hehe
floating Skeleton: Touched.
floating Skeleton: Touched.
Profdan Netizen: Looks like someone from a Harryhausen film, Iggy!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll pull old bony back into inventory when Lolly gets a pic...he's laggy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: It's the flow of the game that is supposed to enhance learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I love Ray Harryhausen's work--got to meet him in 2006
Profdan Netizen: Very cool!
Viv Trafalgar: but if you just have a task, but no backstory - no interaction and no creative building? Iggy that ghost is getting glow all over me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: he really inspired my imagination when I was a kid
Viv Trafalgar: Books and stories are a great basis for RP
Kali Pizzaro: so do you give the students a trigger and let them build on it by creating a scenario they can interact with and manipulate
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: poof goes the skeleton
Viv Trafalgar: I <3 that skeleton
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, yes, and my experience in Armada was similar
Viv Trafalgar: but i couldn't type in its lag :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you'd "riff" off an event
Viv Trafalgar: right
Kali Pizzaro: but guide them back if they are loosing the focus
Viv Trafalgar: http://iggyo.blogspot.com/2009/04/armada-roleplay-dispatch-one-book.html
Zotarah Shepherd: One of the best things about RP in education is that students have to do critical thinking and make decisions based on what they know.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we found that using a moderator helps
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Zotarah that is such a great way to engage student and learn
Kali Pizzaro: it is similar to the problem based learning approach we use in healthcare
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my students have raved about this experience so far
Viv Trafalgar: Armada had some extended multi-day battle RPs as well - a gentleman named Hotspur O'Toole documented them really well for us: http://hiberniaskids.blogspot.com/2009/05/guns-up-forward-attack.html
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they don't even realize they are getting those skills but it just happens so naturally
Zotarah Shepherd: preschoolers do RP all the time with no help.
Viv Trafalgar: http://hiberniaskids.blogspot.com/2009/05/battle-of-althorn-point-part-2-hard.html
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they admit that they never got to "just play" as kids
Viv Trafalgar: right - but the preschoolers have a set structure too
Zotarah Shepherd: So we should be able to do it for our subject areas.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but they need some structure so having me provide tips as the RP has helped
Margaret Michalski: @ kali, right! that is why there is so much confusion between Role play an simulation
Viv Trafalgar: and you'll see them debating very seriously about what is fair and what is not
Viv Trafalgar: (trust me, I live that every day with my 5 yo)
Kali Pizzaro: although ours are quite serious if the outcome is to be transmitted to patient care
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: last night, an actor confused a student for a servant named in our materials--thought we had brought in someone to play the servant
Olivia Hotshot: Please excuse me everyone, i have to go to a meeting. Will see you all next week when i am moderating Language Instruction in SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the student got confused
Viv Trafalgar: Are there RPs that can occur inside a simulation Margaret?
Viv Trafalgar: bye Olivia :)
Olivia Hotshot: Bye!! =)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but then, "went with it" by pretending to be infuriated at his old friend
Profdan Netizen: bye
Wena Merlin: bye
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and the actor playing Roderick decided to play that as part of his madness
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Olivia
Kathryn Pleides: that's great
Viv Trafalgar: that was a great example of multiple authorship on a shared storyline
Kali Pizzaro: however, they can change the scenario based on their experience. Viv yes sometimes the student plays the patient or another professional
Margaret Michalski: @ Viv, In my opinion yes, if you ask a few of my advisors no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so what has not worked well for those of you who have tried RP for education?
Viv Trafalgar: and also about how you can move through a 'mistake' without stopping and going back to rewrite it
Pavig Lok: In my experience some students with low empathy stumbled on RP based exercises, but could usually perform within a more structured rp-like err script
Viv Trafalgar: that's cool Kali - Margaret, your advisers mandate a split?
Dagmar Kojishi: So you can mix some of the skills of improvisational theatre into it?
Kali Pizzaro: i have used it to try to get students to feel what it is like to be the patient receiving bad news
Viv Trafalgar: @Pavig - totally right
Kali Pizzaro: but not in Sl
Margaret Michalski: @ viv from my experience in healthcare if a student goes way off the goal the patient tries to direct them a bit
Viv Trafalgar: it depends on the student as well - and teachers need to help set a support structure up
Jarrad Voom: bye Oliia
Viv Trafalgar: there's so much new that is happening when you do an RP for the first time
Birdie Newcomb: @Pavid "Low empathy"?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I agree, Viv--w/o that structure Usher would have flopped
Pavig Lok: ... it's not that they're incapable of roleplaying for an exercise, just that they more readily snap out of character so the experience is less fluid for them. Structure gives them a backbone to stay on track
Esme Qunhua: How important are the clothes?
Viv Trafalgar: you can give them a good Who What When Where, just like you do when you write a story
Margaret Michalski: @ iggy, absolutely especially that one night.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Esme, vital to me
Kali Pizzaro: there needs to be some structure it is expected haha
Len Millar: (really doctors need to learn how to actively LISTEN to the patient more...)
Viv Trafalgar: but the who what when and where are slightly different for each player
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I want them to forget they are in 2009
Dagmar Kojishi: There's a whole body of skills in improv that sounds like it would be helpful--"rules" that improv actors follow when interacting with each other. This sounds a lot like RP.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and be in 1847
Kali Pizzaro: Len yes they do as do all healthcare professionals
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so they need threads :)
Viv Trafalgar: clothes and interactives are huge - things that can shape your experience - from your surroundings to the signs on the walls
Len Millar: ::)))))
Mirt Tenk: I found it interesting that many of Iggy's students tried to use "period" language but some did not
Margaret Michalski: @ Len, that is what I am heading at with my dissertation
Kali Pizzaro: so you are looking for social presence and immersion Iggy
Viv Trafalgar: having some experienced players around is really valuable for the same reason as with the patients guiding an off-topic doctor
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali--yep
Len Millar: interesting!!!
Mirt Tenk: possibly the ones who didn't read the story :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It's the old game-master in me
Viv Trafalgar: hahaha
Viv Trafalgar: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL those slackers
Viv Trafalgar: @Mirt sometimes the people who didn't read
Kali Pizzaro: excellent
Esme Qunhua: Yesterday I was in a negotiation class and we dressed as either a military agent or a wildlife activist hippie and had to negotiate an agreement. It was very effective.
Mirt Tenk: One of them said, "Hey Girl!" to me as Madeline!
Viv Trafalgar: get the most out of the experience... in embarrassment points
Lisa Tebaldi: excuse me i must go now thank for interesting discussion:-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: One tip from game design--don't over-script the experience. Leave them room to go "off script"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Lisa
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe Iggy I used to do that too... with lead figures, plastic walls trees and a grid
Richy Ryba: by by
Margaret Michalski: @ Mirt, I got a line "I don't know who you are!"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: here's my next Q for all of you
Viv Trafalgar: that encourages them to ask questions of each other too - and interact not just with the actors
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What do we change when we want the roleplay to be primarily educational?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: apologies if we covered that already--big log to check!
Esme Qunhua: good question
Mirt Tenk: @Margaret, clearly, you're a murderer!
Kali Pizzaro: clear learning outcomes.
Mirt Tenk: in nice dress!
Viv Trafalgar: I'd say making sure goals are clear is really important
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hahah
Viv Trafalgar: as well as having time to evaluate later
Mirt Tenk: I think if students don't pick up on clues they need a bit of help
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: timing, too. We could not go on for hours and hours, as gamers might
Margaret Michalski: I would say tasks and goals to make it educational
Mirt Tenk: unless you have a LOT of time
Viv Trafalgar: give students the opportunity to research their characters and the roleplay area, do some background writing, and prepare. This is a great opportunity to make literature, or science, or government studies come alive.
Kali Pizzaro: reflection
Esme Qunhua: yes @ Kali
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will permit students to go back later, to look for clues when the House is empty
Viv Trafalgar: and prepare who what when and where in class with your students. create supporting documents in world that back this up. Make sure the environment closely models the real world if you are doing training; but if you are doing a narrative, allow for what-ifs... give students the opportunity to see what is different when many people are adjusting the storyline, versus a single author controlling all parts of a dialog.
Dagmar Kojishi: Does it destroy the RP aspect when you use voice?
Birdie Newcomb: require some digging
Viv Trafalgar: @Dagmar, that's a great question
Mirt Tenk: technically, they didn't have text chat in the 1800's . . .
Zotarah Shepherd: Yea Viv. I wish more teachers would use RP to teach subjects.
Viv Trafalgar: I would say for me it gives me less range
Margaret Michalski: @ Dagmar, no, I am told it makes it more real
Dagmar Kojishi: Interesting. I was wondering if students would be more able to "reproduce" what they think is the period language in text or in voice.
Zotarah Shepherd: Setting is important too.
Viv Trafalgar: hehe. So there's your answer - it depends on the person.
Kali Pizzaro: Do you think people engage more in Sl roleplay compared to rl
Viv Trafalgar: Text allows you to review what was said
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, I do
Viv Trafalgar: in a different way
Marc Rexen: It can for some period or specialized, but if the goal was to argue what is being argued in Copenhagen this week, from the point of views of specific countries, no.
Mirt Tenk: I think it depends on their SL experience level
Kali Pizzaro: ie do the shy ones engage
Margaret Michalski: @ Dagmar, unless you have a male playing a female and the other way around
Kali Pizzaro: do you get 'lurkers'
Mirt Tenk: @Kali only Iggy!
Mirt Tenk: hard to stay in character when you have problems navigating, etc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: because on "Nerd Night" we are all a bunch of middle aged geeks staring at each other across a real table :D
Viv Trafalgar: haha
Dagmar Kojishi: lol
Kali Pizzaro: so what is the difference from rl ;-)
Mirt Tenk: easier to set up
Mirt Tenk: schedule
Viv Trafalgar: @Kali - you can fly
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Marc Rexen: No travel for students in Moscow? :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Kali
Viv Trafalgar: and you can RP with people across the world
Dagmar Kojishi: Not me. I'm an OLD geek.
Len Millar: :))
Mirt Tenk: you can recruit players from around the world
Zdenek Buchsbaum: i am from czech, but i can be here with you sharing
Viv Trafalgar: exactly @Zdenek
Len Millar: I am from Singapore
Kali Pizzaro: i was being sarcastic ;-P
Profdan Netizen: That's very cool Zdenek and Len.
Zotarah Shepherd: It is good to have some sort of major dramatic question to be solved, otherwise it gets tedious.
Margaret Michalski: @ Viv in virtual worlds I think that is Key
Viv Trafalgar: you can document the experience in different ways
Viv Trafalgar: much more easily than documenting a RL RP
Len Millar: love text
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zdenek--exactly. You can do something global. Even World of Warcraft is sharded so you could not join us there
Birdie Newcomb: how do you assess?
Mirt Tenk: For educational purposes, how do you assess learning?
Mirt Tenk: great minds, Birdie
Len Millar: yes
Profdan Netizen: @Zo, dramatic question, could you expand a bit?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Birdie--they write about the roleplay
Kathryn Pleides: Do you encourage team play?
Margaret Michalski: @ Birdie, some use checklists
Viv Trafalgar: Iggy's assessments are narrative
Kali Pizzaro: of course
Birdie Newcomb: so it's self-evaluation?
Viv Trafalgar: they document their experience
Mirt Tenk: What are the learning objectives for Usher Iggy?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yeah--I do as little assessment as possible
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Birdie Newcomb: I like that
Mirt Tenk: to be demonstrated via the writing?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For Usher it's divorced from much in my class b/c the students are beta-testing
Kali Pizzaro: students are not assessment driven ;-P
Margaret Michalski: @ Birdie for med students the patient uses a checklist to assess the student
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for a course next term
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: where the goal is clear: "How does a 3D simulation change your reading of Poe's tale?"
Viv Trafalgar: Evaluation mechanisms can vary - some immersive environments have quiz/games that allow you to pass to another task or area
Kali Pizzaro: little more than that Margaret hehe
Dagmar Kojishi: If the patient lives, then success! :)
Len Millar: yup did that for Data mining subject
Viv Trafalgar: oooh good question @iggy
Mirt Tenk: (if you read it)
Birdie Newcomb: @Margaret, that turns the tables on "rounds"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Literature Alive folks invented this
Viv Trafalgar: question for the table
Dagmar Kojishi: "I didn't read it, I'm just creating a movie. " ;)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was just inspired by their work
Viv Trafalgar: Is the WW I Virtual Poetry Sim RP or Simulation?
Birdie Newcomb: it was inspiring
Marc Rexen: Students, usually, don't like looking dumb in front of their peers...they'll figure out CO2 and Finances, and sea-levels, and cast it "From the best Bangladesh point of view" they can.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Viv--great Q
Birdie Newcomb: The nine circles of hell got me
Birdie Newcomb: but not much roleplaying there
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, in 3D I am my avatar not myself. However, some aspect of the personality are the same
Mirt Tenk: hmm
Mirt Tenk: yes but we're IMing in the bg
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret--agreed but students have not been invested in their avatars so long
Mirt Tenk: and for learning/edu purposes you have to be the educator also
Viv Trafalgar: How much of an RP is about information that one player knows but another has to learn?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have a loaded Q for Viv.....
Viv Trafalgar is shocked and amazed
Mirt Tenk: if you're going to try to guide learning (when it doesn't appear to be happening)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: after you answer her Q
Kali Pizzaro: in clinical simulation the student/s being observed are playing themselves
Kali Pizzaro: so there is a level of moderation?
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, well, I would think that those who are using it for the first time rally see the avatar as an image of them but not really them.
Mirt Tenk: @Viv, for Usher, depends on who in the group has read the story
[Iggy's note: me hanging a lugubrious tapestry at Usher. Where we could not match the "gloom" of Poe's House with darkness or lighting effects, we substituted depressing images, cobwebs, and peeling paint to suggest decay and decline of a once-noble house and family]
Margaret Michalski: major typing problems today
Birdie Newcomb: ah, the title gives it away
Viv Trafalgar: @Mirt it becomes really obvious who has and hasn't read the story doesn't it
Margaret Michalski: @ viv- Oh, Yes!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia will fix all typing problems, Margaret..you earned that for your hard work with my students!
Mirt Tenk: I am not sure, b/c sometimes it is hard for me to tell if they're just struggling w/SL
Viv Trafalgar: that's kind of an evaluation mechanism
Dagmar Kojishi: I have observed students who are gamers tend to view the avatar differently (representatives of themselves) than they do characters in, say, WoW, which they tend to view as puppets.
Mirt Tenk: but I only did 3 episodes
Profdan Netizen: Iggy, how many students at a time in Usher?
Kali Pizzaro: is it read the story or understood it?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan--3 max
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we could do 5
Mirt Tenk: I honestly think 5 might be better
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we may have to have 5 next time
Mirt Tenk: in terms of getting them to find clues & share information
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: because we'll have 2 sections of 20 kids
Mirt Tenk: b/c some were afraid to split up & go off on their own
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but....don' faint, actors...we won't have many hours and will have a bigger cast :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Mirt, it surprised me HOW scared some were
Mirt Tenk: honestly, I think in a guided role play like that
Esme Qunhua: scared? Iggy
Viv Trafalgar: it is scary - especially if you haven't done this before
Mirt Tenk: if we can copy & paste local student chat into private leader chat
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: some students felt like it was "real" and told me so
Viv Trafalgar: you don't want to break something or look stupid
Mirt Tenk: it helps us all keep up & play along
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy do your students enjoy it
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: were the scared ones named Shaggy and Scooby
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, yes, one asked if it is OK to ask a question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Shaggy!
Profdan Netizen: lol
Mirt Tenk: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: oh Lolly needs a pic of the skeleton for us
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so here he comes again
Mirt Tenk: They did accuse Margaret (when she was a participant observer) of killing me!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: boo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Viv
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What sorts of compromises did you have to make in designing Armada Breakaway? Steamfish?
Viv Trafalgar: yes sir?
[Iggy's note: An image of me at Armada Breakaway, the original build. Viv designed parts of it and I lived on the sim for several months, as a bookseller of strange and dangerous texts]
Kali Pizzaro: oh my
Dagmar Kojishi: Aaaaaaaaaah!
Mirt Tenk: really, the funniest thing was the female student who was afraid to be alone and she got into bed w/Roderick Usher!
Margaret Michalski: @ Mirt and no being helpful at the sam time
Viv Trafalgar: I wasn't the lead designer on Armada - Albus Weka was - and Armada was built because we were all inspired by China Mieville's novel The Scar. Part of the education of that sim was building it - part was living in it... and what a warren the characters of the Scar had to play in.
Kali Pizzaro: would you believe i missed that the first time lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I loved that moment. I died laughing...as did the students
Viv Trafalgar: In Steamfish, we weren't as limited by prim count, because it was on opensim - but we still had to work to pare down to the main meaning a lot - a good number of very complex activities eventually came out because they were too hard to achieve in a short amount of time.
Viv Trafalgar: Armada was a residential RP idea - which was a very complex thing to do in any virtual environment - and it required a constant attention from the sim managers. Community RP doesn't work on a schedule - people log in and want to play... we did some great things, but educational RP has a scheduling advantage - you know when things are going to happen, and what the boundaries are. Steamfish had very particular boundaries - and is quest-driven in order to move the narrative along while passing the information on.
Viv Trafalgar: making design decisions based on ease of use, lag, and rez time (the amount of time it takes before a sim's grayed prims turn to color) is part of the balancing act when you're building an interactive sim. I think my colleagues from Rezzable can speak brilliantly to that, as they've been doing an extraordinary job at it for many many years.
LittleToe Bartlett says simply "box"
Mirt Tenk: That's also part of building an edu sim, Viv
Viv Trafalgar chokes
Margaret Michalski: @ Viv at least for me lag is a problem at times with the usher
floating Skeleton: Touched.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
Viv Trafalgar: @LT you owe me a new monitor
Kali Pizzaro: so you end up with a number of pedagogical frameworks at the end of this. constructivism, social constructivism, situated learning, etc etcfantastic
LittleToe Bartlett: :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: one issue with Usher
Mirt Tenk: @Margaret did you check your lag meter?
Mirt Tenk: I was on wireless & didn't have lag
Viv Trafalgar: Lag is a huge issue -
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we had novice student builders do the first bit
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and I've been cleaning up ever since
Viv Trafalgar: and it depends as much on the scripted objects as on the build
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true
Viv Trafalgar: right @Pavig?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we are trying to reduce that too
River Aarde: @kali performance, performativity
Margaret Michalski: @ Mirt it was mainly after the updaet but I will not get into that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but prim count is enormous
Mirt Tenk: oh noooo
Kali Pizzaro: indeed the list goes on
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that skeleton is 168 prims
Mirt Tenk: oh my!
Viv Trafalgar: Armada was a gorgeous build - the first version -
Viv Trafalgar: but if you didn't come round to it often, it took a while to load
Kali Pizzaro: can i be a character. i command no fee
Kali Pizzaro: ;-p
Viv Trafalgar: one of the reasons was that all the prims in the sim were concentrated in a vertical stack -
Mirt Tenk: I actually teach a class on optimizing textures to reduce lag
Viv Trafalgar: and the SL client's draw distance is horizontal...
Viv Trafalgar: that's a great class to teach @Mirt
Zotarah Shepherd: It would be nice to have many places in SL already built where classes could do RPs too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Mirt, I'm going to be signing up for that class!
Mirt Tenk: I'm going to start doing it w/IVC also
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zo, you bring me to my final Q
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Where in SL can we learn more about effective roleplay?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SLURLS and URLS welcome for the transcript
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Perhaps we could develop a list of sims available for RP?
Zotarah Shepherd: Avilion has good classes in RP
Viv Trafalgar: first off, right here at SLER - your colleagues, including Iggy, Scott, and me, as well as many others, have been putting our money where our mouth is, so to speak. Firery Broome ran a great teachers workshop at University of Delaware last spring to help her faculty get its feet wet in this topic and many others.
Pavig Lok: oh there's a bajillion things that contribute to lag, but if you have a bunch of builders and scripters it becomes difficult to debug exactly what's the main contributors
Viv Trafalgar: there are many communities in SL dedicated to all kinds of role play - as there are in many games, and even in the old MOOs - and some fascinating discussions about character and rules of engagement take place on community nings regularly ... by people who are talking about it because it is what they like to do - tell stories - , not because it's an assignment.
[Viv--at left--and other Armada Breakaway citizens on a shopping spree]
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, from the Medical side there are several like the quest we had with Kali as moderator
Viv Trafalgar: Publications like Prim Perfect and the Primgraph (a steamlands publication) and rezzable.net often address RP issues. As does Global
Kids, and blogs like Iggy's In a Strange Land.
Mirt Tenk: @Pavig which is why you have to train them & set standards up front :-)
Viv Trafalgar: true enough @Mirt
LittleToe Bartlett: Mirt, even the pros make mistakes in that department, sometimes
Mirt Tenk: we all do!
Mirt Tenk: but it helps to plan carefully before building
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: BTW, I'll stay for a few minutes after we end today to invite anyone to the VWER group who needs an invitation
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: IM me
Viv Trafalgar: I have some links to things people might find helpful
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: any last questions for our group?
Viv Trafalgar: can I end with a quote?
Mirt Tenk: I'd love to see those Viv
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Viv, please paste them in
Viv Trafalgar: ok
Margaret Michalski: Is there any one or two good sources about RP
Viv Trafalgar: Some recent publications about role play in Virtual Worlds, as well as real-world uses for roleplay and immersive narrative:
Viv Trafalgar: and the last one is a piece of a quote from an Aether Salon transcript
Viv Trafalgar: where a character - truly skilled in RP explains the value of an evil overlord
Viv Trafalgar: From Doc Obelensky (of New Babbage) the following statement about Evil Overlords: (http://aethersalon.blogspot.com/2009/01/villains-edited-transcript.html)
"a Villain, as opposed to your everyday thug, is a person of style. One can't just bash someone over the head, and expect to be a noted villain. Now then, I suppose you are all thinking 'Why, oh why, is my life plagued with Doctor Obolensky, that horrible villain and stylish man about town?' Well, the answer is rather simple. You lead boring, ordinary lives. And yet, you lack the drive, the vision, and the ability, to crush your neighbors with giant mechanical lobsters.
So of course, someone has to do it for you, or you'd all end up with nothing to talk about. Now then...I'm a genius, and I could have chosen, at some point, to follow the path of the hero. But, let's face it. Although better than you rabble, heroes have a significant down side.
Do heroes get to ride about in giant mechanical lobsters, crushing buildings beneath their oversized claws? No! Being a villain is simply more fun."
Iggy's Note: One link I'd meant to add didn't get in the transcript: Chris Gibson's (Texas State Technical College) using roleplay to teach students etiquette for interviewing, dressing, and dining before meeting prospective employers: http://iggyo.blogspot.com/2009/03/teaching-etiquette-in-virtual-world.html
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret, I'm being serious...the Dungeons & Dragons books
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: esp. the one for game masters
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it talks about how to set the stage for RP
Kathryn Pleides: thanks for the urls
Kali Pizzaro: Oh Iggy do you have all the figures
Zotarah Shepherd: I used to play D&D a lot ages ago. It was fun.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, about 200 I painted myself--and I go good work, actually :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: these are great, Viv! anyone got more? I'll put them in the top of the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Viv
Kali Pizzaro: great session Iggy
Lolly Dovgal: Thanks for these great examples and resources.
Kathryn Pleides confesses to being a DND geek so much as to have written own rules book to fix problems in official version
Kali Pizzaro: fitted seamlessly with mine last week haha
Viv Trafalgar loves that quote
Mirt Tenk: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL I'm going to make a giant mechanical Lobster now--thanks all!
Mirt Tenk loves it too!
Dagmar Kojishi: Very good! Thanks all!
Kathryn Pleides loves the Evil Overlords List
Margaret Michalski: Thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see you all next week for Olivia's session
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LMK if you want to be invited to VWER now
Viv Trafalgar: Thanks for having me here!
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Thanks, great.
Margaret Michalski: I will see some of you in a bit
Mirt Tenk: ty Viv, very informative!
Kathryn Pleides: yes, thanks!
Kali Pizzaro: great Viv
Wena Merlin: Thanks! See you next week!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see some of you at House of Usher in an hour :)
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Viv
Mirt Tenk: hope it goes well!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'll do a tour next semester, btw
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks you Iggy
Kathryn Pleides: I'd love to come, but I have to head back to work for a meeting.
Kali Pizzaro: look forward to my bit part next semester
Kathryn Pleides: Perhaps if you have it open another time...
Mirt Tenk: TY iggy, get some sleep!
Pavig Lok found out yesterday that lobsters can live for 100 years and was impressed
Kali Pizzaro: ok night night folks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Mirt, I'll quote Viv.."sleep is for babies"
Kali Pizzaro: take care
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Excellent program, as usual.
Mirt Tenk: @Pavig the ones that don't get eaten, that is!
Viv Trafalgar: hahaha
Mirt Tenk: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Mirt Tenk: "sleep is for beginners"
Viv Trafalgar: you pay attention @Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Poe is warping us
Len Millar: THANKS YOU for organising this talk!!!
Mirt Tenk: that was the intro quote to a book on developing Interactive Multimedia published in 1995.
