Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Oct. 20, 2009

Topic: Working With Student Content

Photos: by ponderosafish. Visit her photostream as well as Olivia Hotshot's SLER group at Flickr.

[Iggy's note: I didn't make any Burning Life links active, since the festival will be ending as this transcript goes live]

Olivia Hotshot: Hi everyone, and welcome to this week's SL Education Roundtable.

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Olivia Hotshot: Our meetings are roundtable style, so those in the theater seats please come down and join us at the table.

Olivia Hotshot: Our magic expanding table will always have an empty seat, located closest to the ramp.

Olivia Hotshot: Our topic/theme today is Student Content in Second Life.

Olivia Hotshot: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.

Zotarah Shepherd wonders when CA will come into the 21st century

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Olivia Hotshot: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.

Olivia Hotshot: Information on FUTURE MEETINGS is available from the notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.

Olivia Hotshot: We have an amazing lineup of meeting for you, with topics set (subject to change) between now and the end of December.

Olivia Hotshot: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

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Ignatius Onomatopoeia wonders when Virginia will come into the 20th (and I'm a native)

Olivia Hotshot: Clicking the sign and follow the instruction in local chat on how to join the group.

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Olivia Hotshot: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.

Olivia Hotshot: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS, which is home to our Quidditch pitch and the SL MSU Library,

Olivia Hotshot: and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.

Olivia Hotshot: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.

Olivia Hotshot: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.

Olivia Hotshot: (a good time to find out about ARC - or avatar rendering cost)

Olivia Hotshot: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.

Olivia Hotshot: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.

Olivia Hotshot: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.

Olivia Hotshot: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.

Olivia Hotshot: I am Ann Steckel, an educational technology consultant and educator from California State University, Chico.

Zotarah Shepherd: Wow Olivia I know it is the standard introduction but some here are new. hehe

Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills on an educational sim called Ralanora.

JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL. I'm the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.

Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago

cyber Placebo: Edith Paillat

Ahlan Oh: Alan Epstein, technology educator, near Boston, USA

Hattie Haystack: Gail Hanson Brenner, Clinical Nursing Instructor, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire

Saleta Telling: I work part time or a rural library cooperative and am exploring ways our three member libraries can use SL to expand their services.

cyber Placebo: language technology Specialist at a university in NZ

Lindsay Madrigal: I'm in the Film & Digital Media Department at University of California Santa Cruz. Mostly here to listen today, have never had students generate content in SL (& I have to log out @3, apologies in advance)

Olivia Hotshot: Zo, you have made me an ARC nazi

Lolly Dovgal: I'm Laura Sederberg, from Chico State, interested in applying our Rubric for Online Instruction to curriculum online and possibly in SL.

Emilia Cornwall: I am the tech mgr for the Senior Project Center on EduIsland 2.

Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK. Ex-academic, now an administrator with responsibility for academic quality and standards

[Iggy's note: I crashed here about about 2 minutes]

Zotarah Shepherd: Immersive content. Builds to show that students really get whatever we are trying to teach them.

Olivia Hotshot: Oh that's a great start Zo.

Olivia Hotshot: Anyone else? What sort of content do we students to create?

Zotarah Shepherd: (Later Olivia)

LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: evaluations of areas to show critical thinking and understanding of possibilities of SL

Margaret Michalski: problem solving

Lolly Dovgal: Reflective content, that shows what they have experienced, to share with others.

Birdie Newcomb: collaboration

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: learn about the native community--I've got them at Burning Life this week

Zotarah Shepherd: (But Grace is looking for new interviewees too, if anyone is interested.)

Emilia Cornwall: networking, collaboration, getting out and seeing SL places and reflecting

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They write about their "field trip"

Grace Blitz: thank you Zotarah

Emilia Cornwall: Blogging via Sloodle

Birdie Newcomb: teamwork

Olivia Hotshot: Journal writing can be valuable too.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--and it can teach them skills outside of SL.

Emilia Cornwall: and with new students, it is so important for them to acclimate and feel comfortable..... just learning the basics is so important.

Zotarah Shepherd: My students will do a travelogue notecard with photos of them at different SL locations.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: such as writing about an SL topic as a way to learn about focusing an academic argument, use statistics, etc.

Lolly Dovgal: Yes, and can be shared privately in small groups or with instructor only.

Olivia Hotshot: Does anyone know of teachers who have their students display the content they create so it is interactive?

cyber Placebo: to ZO on a personal blog or a wiki?

Lolly Dovgal: Zo, that sounds good.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: do you find that having the sharing limited, at first, builds confidence?

Grinn Pidgeon: Building itself is immersive, but it would be interesting to ask students to build concrete representations of abstract concepts.

Lolly Dovgal: Ig, yes

Margaret Michalski: the way I see it, no matter what your field is SL provides an opportunity for creativity

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lolly, I agree---they were freaked this year by blogging at Blogspot right away

Olivia Hotshot: Zotarah, you may want to consider Snapzilla for that, rather than a notecard.

cyber Placebo: how long does it take to learn to build though?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @cyber--it's a HUGE undertaking

Zotarah Shepherd: The topic is about using SL for teaching so I would prefer a Notecard since it is an SL tool.

Olivia Hotshot: Cyber - it depends on what they are building. Teaching someone to put a texture on a prim can be done in a few minutes.

Grinn Pidgeon: I taught "older" faculty to build in an hour and a half

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my writing class last fall built for their final projects

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so at least one term for simple linking, texturing, etc.

Margaret Michalski: Notecards are good because you always have a copy

Olivia Hotshot: @Grinn - that is excellent! You must be a very good explainer.

Grinn Pidgeon: control freak they call it

Olivia Hotshot: @Zo, so is sending a postcard.

Lolly Dovgal: Sounds efficient.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Not one student mastered the HTML link script for their builds...not one of 18. Scripts are another level of complexity. I had to do it for them.

Grinn Pidgeon: @ig that's too bad

Olivia Hotshot: @Margaret - or until LL changes viewers - this new viewer broke notecards for some.

Margaret Michalski: sometimes you have to take baby steps with some students until they build their skill

Margaret Michalski: from what I hear

Lindsay Madrigal: I have 175 students right now...asking them to make stuff here seems a difficult task, but, we've been looking at artists working here, with the idea that they might generate a proposal for an art project that could manifest in SL.

Birdie Newcomb: how much time can one spend on teaching SL skills before getting to actual lessons?

Grinn Pidgeon: even groups with 175 would be hard

Olivia Hotshot: Lindsay - lots of great art here in SL.

Lindsay Madrigal: yes!

Olivia Hotshot: Hiya Marc.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you are interested, here's the blog post I did about my students' building (with some pics): http://iggyo.blogspot.com/2008/12/iggys-syllabus-build-it-report.html

Olivia Hotshot: SL ArT Gallery owners is a great group.

cyber Placebo: @birdie good question!!!

Marc Rexen: Hello...first two steps of Maslow's kept me working late...:)

Lindsay Madrigal: ty, olivia

Olivia Hotshot: Birdie - that depends on what the students are being asked to do.

cyber Placebo: I know of a secondary school on SL teen who build their own island

cyber Placebo: this is a year project I think

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you want to see the student builders in action, I've some photos grouped at: http://www.koinup.com/search/works/by-iggyo/?q=buildit

Olivia Hotshot: Does all content need to be "in-world" to show they have understood a topic, or can it be outside?

cyber Placebo: if anyone is interested in high school tenn work on SL http://www.happysteve.com/2008/11/case-study-teen-second-life-at-suffern-intermediate-school-with-peggy-sheehy.html

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Birdie, about three hours for my classes.

Olivia Hotshot: Oh i know happy steve.com

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: One with me hands on, two on their own.

Lolly Dovgal: Thanks for sharing the examples!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For level-one skills...moving, IMs, TPs, etc.

Olivia Hotshot: Do you think students are interested in constructing things here?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: please drop any URLs or SLURLs into the chat for the transcript

Olivia Hotshot: in SL i mean

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia--YES. But I decided not to have them build this term.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They are beta-testing Usher instead

Margaret Michalski: @olivia, that goes back to the entire skill issue

Marc Rexen: The building bug often hits, if only to resize hair and remove a gank of it from your eyeball.

Margaret Michalski: some students like the challenge and others give up

Olivia Hotshot: Elaborate, Margaret?

Margaret Michalski: Some students build and keep a good track of prims etc

Birdie Newcomb: Usher -- audio?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret--most don't :(

Margaret Michalski: other see that they can not connects things and give up

cyber Placebo: @ Margaret also their interest in building

Margaret Michalski: that leaves others with the work

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Birdie--House of Usher simulation with actors and lots more! We'll open to the public next year :)

cyber Placebo: same as using Wow for learning

Olivia Hotshot: @Marc, exactly - personal pride might just be what gets them started. For me it was. My clothes did not fit, so i learned little by little.

Birdie Newcomb: Ah, thanks

cyber Placebo: some students are not gamers by interest

Marc Rexen: Most new residents think it is hard, I know I did, then after trying it, realize how simple it is.

Olivia Hotshot: Can content be created in WoW? I thought not, but i am not sure.

Zotarah Shepherd: That is interesting Iggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you cannot build in WoW, except leveling up the character

cyber Placebo: no creation just collaborating on WoW

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's why it's a "game" not a "virtual world," IMHO

Olivia Hotshot: Kill things and steal their stuff was my take on WoW - and i still liked it.

cyber Placebo: negotiation of meaning good for languages

Zotarah Shepherd: Not many virtual worlds offer persistent building tools that SL does

Birdie Newcomb: 8=)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, Blue Mars would be an example of that--only approved content creators can build

Olivia Hotshot: Zo, does Open Sim or Reaction Grid or Metaplace offer persistent tools?

Birdie Newcomb: Learning SL is a big help when going to other grids

Birdie Newcomb: Is that the future?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: other grids? YES

Zotarah Shepherd: Not sure but Open Sim is based on SL so it does.

Birdie Newcomb: It's possible to move stuff from SL to other grids now. I understand

Olivia Hotshot: <= pokes Iggy's Ims

Margaret Michalski: Other grids are the future but if you are like me you will like something about each one

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's hard enough to teach one world in a class, however. Mine will design assignments this term for Rezzable

Zotarah Shepherd: If you know how SL works other worlds will be much easier to learn

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: using their Heritage Key world

Birdie Newcomb: The Third Party viewer raises some copyright issues

Margaret Michalski: the problem is putting all of the things you like in one place

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, exactly--the interface at Heritage Key is very similar

Zotarah Shepherd: I will have to go there Iggy *smiles*

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo--just you wait..it's a stunner

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hmmmmm...a loaded pause

Olivia Hotshot: Is that a concern? That other virtual worlds may not have the building tools that SL has?

Zotarah Shepherd: I think it will be a while till other VWs have the content that SL has. I like to explore all the great educational sites people have built.

Birdie Newcomb: or that other viewers may steal stuff.

Marc Rexen: Yes.

Margaret Michalski: I would think that some would eventually want to compete with SL

Zotarah Shepherd: I like that we have IP rights here too.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you bet...no building tools and I'd be loathe to try one. We are using Heritage Key because the writer's work will "mean" something when done. That compensates for them not being able to build.

Olivia Hotshot: Other viewers as in avatars or client used to interface with a VW?

cyber Placebo: Could you give names of VEs (to google) I know Active Worlds?

Olivia Hotshot: Hey Hobbs

Zotarah Shepherd: I would not consider a world for teaching where my students could not construct what they have learned.

Olivia Hotshot: Open Sim, Reaction Grid for 2

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo, but what does "construct" mean? Writing about a VW and doing photos at a wiki is a construction

Zotarah Shepherd: I do not want a lesson in a box either

Miki Zeritonga: What about courses where the thing being taught is not "buildable"? Language for instance.

cyber Placebo: @Zo what do you get them to build for e.g? what subject?

Olivia Hotshot: [if interested in other VW, check out the kZero graphics: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/]

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to me a vexing issue is what we do after--for instance, I need to ask permission to quote writers' work for an article.

cyber Placebo: @olivia thanks

Zotarah Shepherd: True Iggy but when you have tools to make a 3D model of something it is more immersive and memorable I believe.

Marc Rexen: You can still use a build to set the tone ala a weekly French dinner in a proper French Villa, or Paris restaurant.

Olivia Hotshot: @cyber - most welcome.

Marc Rexen: It's funny, but a suit works here just as well in RL.

Zotarah Shepherd: cyber I teach living skills

Miki Zeritonga: Does a typical French class require carpentry skills?

Geoff Lumley: Virtual World Watch has published a report on the use of VWs in UK HE this week: http://virtualworldwatch.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/VWW-Choosing-Virtual-Worlds-Oct-2009.pdf

cyber Placebo: 2MARC THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF sl

Olivia Hotshot: Miki - only if you are building french cities, perhaps?

Ahlan Oh: so sorry must go. (although it will take a while with this lag)

Olivia Hotshot: Bye Ahlan.

Ahlan Oh: while

Lolly Dovgal: I think we have 24 participants today (btw).

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc, there's a great example for a Texas school that teaches etiquette in RL using a formal dinner in SL.

Ahlan Oh: bye all

Ahlan Oh: see you next week

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Ahlan

Grace Blitz: bb ahlan

Olivia Hotshot: 26 people for the record.

cyber Placebo: and job interviews for school leavers with formal Maori or Samoan greetings

Zotarah Shepherd: I would use SL for science, history and literature too

cyber Placebo: in small settings (like a mechanic shop for e.g.)

cyber Placebo: totally immersive

Olivia Hotshot: Chim, wlecome!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The faculty member is Chris Gibson from Texas State Technical College.

Chimera Cosmos: Hi Olivia--all--sorry to be late!

Marc Rexen: I was allowed to preview a WWI History sim yesterday (opens in a week)...very impressive...2 hours slipped by before I realized it.

Chimera Cosmos: crazy day

cyber Placebo: etiquette about dress codes

Olivia Hotshot: Glad you can make it Chim - no matter the time.

Wena Merlin: Miki, I agree with you... I do not think language students want to learn to build.

Miki Zeritonga: At least, not in language class. Architecture, maybe

Olivia Hotshot: Hey Folks, can i get us a bit off topic for a moment?

Lolly Dovgal: Sure

Grace Blitz: sure

Lu Swansong: sure

Olivia Hotshot: I would like to address cyber's comment about dress code. Could we somehow leverage content creation to encourage proper dress for "school"?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For Chris' students, the "content" is learning to dress for RL job interviews, how to handle silverware in a business meal...etc. [I wrote about this at http://iggyo.blogspot.com/2009/03/teaching-etiquette-in-virtual-world.html]

Zotarah Shepherd: Language Lab uses SL for teaching language.

Olivia Hotshot: For example - building a WWII sim - dressing in character?

cyber Placebo: @ Zo yes there are a few islands dedicated to this

Lolly Dovgal: And not running around naked?

Miki Zeritonga: To dress properly in SL one must first learn how to shop. This requires L$

Olivia Hotshot: lets hope not, Lolly. =) esp if it is photorealistic.

Lolly Dovgal: There are a lot of free clothes.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Lolly, that would hurt an interviewee's chances

cyber Placebo: yes this is part of the learning curve for noobs

Lolly Dovgal: Ha, ha

Olivia Hotshot: Miki - you need to shop with us - freebie lovers.

Miki Zeritonga: Freebie period WW-I clothes?

Marc Rexen: My suggestion is just make available simple to wear, straightforward, clothes. The students can customize on their own time.

Zotarah Shepherd: How we dress in SL is important as it conveys how we think about ourdelves and how we respect others too.

Emilia Cornwall: No Lindens necessary if you follow the fashion blogs and get all the high quality freebies from designers

cyber Placebo: choosing dress codes, wearing the stuff and comment on it

Olivia Hotshot: @Emilia - exactly.

Miki Zeritonga: Yes, but that is a lot of unrelated material for a History class.

cyber Placebo: anything deals with language really :-)

Olivia Hotshot: So can content creation inspire students to play a role - clothingwise?

Zotarah Shepherd: Personalizing an avatar helps with immersion. I will assign that to my students as homework. hehe fun!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We do forget at times that the avatar itself is content we build in most VWs and games. It can be rich terrain for assignments.

Emilia Cornwall: It is something to do first.... I found my students (all RL teachers) can't settle down in SL until they are dressed properly!!

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Olivia I think so

Emilia Cornwall: and the women were thrilled to be able to walk with a wiggle!!

Marc Rexen: The Males and Females at the WWI sim will likely be wearing custom-made, period, clothes.

cyber Placebo: @olivia, I think going on a hunt for free stuff is already inspiring

Birdie Newcomb: history is great for builds.

cyber Placebo: finding, selecting and justifying choice

Zotarah Shepherd: Clothing and avatar appearance is a basic SL skill

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We hired Viv Trafalgar, a top-notch builder and designer, to do freebie Victorian outfits for the Usher build

Chimera Cosmos: a new colleague of mine told me about a biology faculty colleague of hers (female) who told her she was dressed up too much LOL

Emilia Cornwall: wow

Zotarah Shepherd: Great Iggy

Emilia Cornwall: I really want to see that build when complete!

Olivia Hotshot: @Chim - i hear ya. Plus the ARC might have been off the charts. =)

Chimera Cosmos: faculty sometimes pride themselves on looking casual and NOT like business types

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the right clothes deepen immersion...we paid Viv about $100 US out of our avatar's funds...didn't hit the U for that :)

Zotarah Shepherd: We expect invites when it is done Iggy

Olivia Hotshot: we do Iggy.

cyber Placebo: avilion role play island has free medieval clothing

Chimera Cosmos: I'm talkking RL dressing here BTW

Olivia Hotshot: ohhhhhhhhh

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We'll have open house after we test in early December..maybe a cocktail party!

Emilia Cornwall: cool

Birdie Newcomb: virtual cocktails...

Chimera Cosmos: my colleague works with high schools and districts so she was dressed business-style

Zotarah Shepherd: There are a few places with Victorian and Roman clothing freebies

Lolly Dovgal: I will come in my tie-dye outfit.

Lolly Dovgal: ha, ha

Chimera Cosmos: and that made the faculty person comment that she was over-dressed for campus heheh

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :) @ Lolly

Olivia Hotshot: Great Steampunk/Indiana Jones free attire: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burning%20Life-Leadville/156/158/2 [I'm not making this one live since Burning Life will end soon]

Emilia Cornwall: I have found some nice Medieval freebies....wore them on Renaissance Island

Birdie Newcomb: This Greek outfit was free

Zotarah Shepherd: For the 60s build Birdie did last year there was a lot of tie die. *smiles*

Lolly Dovgal: But seriously, I"m new to immersive activities in SL ,

Chimera Cosmos: Viv Trafalgar makes steampunk items and clothes

Lolly Dovgal: and after learning to dance last night in BL I felt like I fit in much better.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lolly, if you are able to make students forget it's a simulation, they are immersed

cyber Placebo: @Emilia creating a gallery of period art, frescoes on panels

Olivia Hotshot smiles at lolly.

cyber Placebo: could be interesting to students

Lolly Dovgal: Burning Life is a very safe practice ground.

Emilia Cornwall: ;-)

Lolly Dovgal: Ig, yes

Birdie Newcomb: Art takes on new meaning here

cyber Placebo: where they exhibit their part favorite battle? (check copyrights of pics though)

Zotarah Shepherd: I still have to get over to see Burning Life

Emilia Cornwall: me too

Olivia Hotshot: So in our last 15 minutes (and adjusts Kevlar vest) should student content created inworld be assessed?

cyber Placebo: loads of freebies too

Lolly Dovgal: DO that. Tonight is a 60's party at Olivia's Crater.

Chimera Cosmos: on BL Olivia?

Lolly Dovgal: What time again?

Olivia Hotshot: Yes, Chim.

Chimera Cosmos: sorry--forced multitasking :-)

cyber Placebo: you have aLM to share, Olivia?

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes I think so Olivia but it depends on the subject.

Marc Rexen: Top three builds survive into the next semester...:)

Olivia Hotshot: sure.

Zotarah Shepherd: Assessed on how well the student gets the subject not on how well their building skills are.

cyber Placebo: Lolly tonight is what time SLT?

Olivia Hotshot: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burning%20Life-Denio/2/2/2

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia, I cheated on assessment :)

Marc Rexen: Writing, speaking, building...all can be judged, with different students likely to excell in each category.

Lolly Dovgal: On stage, Olivia, what is the time in PST?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wanted the buildings that the kids made for their final projects to be useable, but it was the posters that most concerned me

Olivia Hotshot: 60's party - Sounds of the 60s' Hippie Chick Music .:Mix:. West of Ireland DJ Derry McMahon 5-7 pm

Lolly Dovgal: Thanks

Geoff Lumley: Depends what you're assessing Olivia. Competence at building? Flair and artistic merit? Ability to follow instructions . . . need to decide what the learning outcomes are before designing assessment

Olivia Hotshot: Welcome.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll rez a poster from that build not--so after the RT, y'all can click and see the work

Zotarah Shepherd: Exactly Geoff

Lolly Dovgal: Hmmm

Olivia Hotshot: @Geoff - good answer.

Olivia Hotshot: So, not all content created here needs to be formally assessed?

Zotarah Shepherd: Glad Geoff said it better. *grins*

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rae's project was graded

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Iggy - If you want to see the image it is by Future Meeting sign

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I only asked that the posters that went into the buildings they made

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: capture the claim about which they wrote--Rae changed her race and I believe the wiki to which the poster is linked

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: talks about that

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll set out one or two more--the students were not graded on their galleries...it just let them do some building, finally :)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they did get participation credit--we were all up until midnight

Geoff Lumley: I'm very wary about the prospects for assessment in SL because achievement depends to such a great extent on the students ability/dexterity/competence with using the tools. You want to assess achievement, not effort

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and we gave a tour to folks from NITLE the next day in SL

Olivia Hotshot: Personally i think we are an interesting point in educational uses of SL. So many faculty are still learning how to create their own content that student creations will be organic (for some) or not at all until faculty feel comfortable with their own skills.

Chimera Cosmos: BTW here is my weird BL plot if you want to wander by: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Burning%20Life-Pyramid/164/243/23

Birdie Newcomb: I never feel "finished" with my skills

Olivia Hotshot: For example, faculty cannot tell how hard/difficult it might be to create until they do it themselves, or how much time it might take.

cyber Placebo: @Geoff but it is the same with any technology

Lolly Dovgal: YES

cyber Placebo: if you get students to collaborate on a wiki but one can't use the mouse

Lolly Dovgal: @Olivia, so true.

Olivia Hotshot: <party at Chim's after the meeting>

cyber Placebo: the learning curve is huge

Chimera Cosmos: Don't miss the TP to the upper level and look carefully before you start to walk around up there...

Chimera Cosmos: I DO have beer LOL

Zotarah Shepherd: Unless the subject was SL skills I would not grade on the perfection of the building quality but on the

content of what the build showed.

cyber Placebo: how do you measure the progress?

Geoff Lumley: Indeed cyber. But students will have spent so little time in SL that nothing is familiar and there's not time for 'second nature' effects to kick in

Olivia Hotshot: So is it safe to assume faculty will rely on out of world content creation until they are assured in their own skills?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @cyber--you have to look at how they collaborate. Give credit for how they teach each other

Marc Rexen: I would hesitate to assess on building for first semester folks...too much to learn.

cyber Placebo: @geoff: in languages it is the second nature is interesting

cyber Placebo: how students choose their personae

cyber Placebo: the psychological effect of the avatar on the person's readiness to speak

Zotarah Shepherd: I would also allow students to buy parts of builds in SL as long as it is relevant to the subject of the course.

Olivia Hotshot: <- pokes Iggy's IMs

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia fidgets

Zotarah Shepherd: Sometimes text is more comfortable in SL, especially when starting out unless they type very slowly.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you want to see builders in action, or send students

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: get them to Burning Life

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it has inspired my class completely

cyber Placebo: BL is pretty weird for noobs

Zotarah Shepherd: I wish I could. My class starts in November.

cyber Placebo: I demoed BL yesterday to some network guys

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think you need to have them go carefully, cyber

Zotarah Shepherd: I will take photos.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: say, review an art exhibit

cyber Placebo: and didn't understand a thing

Hattie Haystack: how long does BL run?

cyber Placebo: (maybe I don't get it either :-))))

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this week

Hattie Haystack: thanks Iggy

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll post the URL

Olivia Hotshot: Folks next week's meeting will focus on art and media - and esp burning life - we highly suggest (Iggy and Lolly and Chim and I) you get over there and interact - see what is going on inworld.

Lolly Dovgal: Yes

Olivia Hotshot: It is a super opportunity for students and faculty to leanr new skills and blend in.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://burninglife.secondlife.com/ and the events of the day at http://burninglife.secondlife.com/eventsbrowse

Olivia Hotshot: lots and lots of new people and lots of places to interact.

Lolly Dovgal: Lots to explore and interact with.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: some of the arts exhibits last year were very political and edgy.

Lolly Dovgal: Immersive.

Marc Rexen: Lots of hand-wringing getting it going too...:)

Olivia Hotshot: To wrap it up here for today - please know that AJ sends his best to you all and REALLY misses the meetings. He will be back in November once his class slows.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my biggest problem with BL and students was answering "I want to hear the tunes!"

Olivia Hotshot: esp the tunes at the Crater yesterday - we had several faculty and a lot of students come.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they loved the dance events...went on their own to those.

Marc Rexen: They are good tunes too...what are you...a communist Iggy? :)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pappy Enoch is the techno-Communist, yes :)

Marc Rexen: :)

Olivia Hotshot: my build was done with NASA's GeoFrank and is a safe place for new people to come and feel like a part of the community.

Chimera Cosmos: I think we need a lesson on how to take Quiet Snapshot to Disc LOL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the workers control the means of content production

Olivia Hotshot chuckles at Chim.

cyber Placebo: can we go there now? just for a peek?

Olivia Hotshot: Sure Cyber.

Marc Rexen: And the artists make wry comments on that production and those that control it...but appropriately so.

cyber Placebo: that is what Sl is all about : teleportation

cyber Placebo: and field trips

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will be back at BL later, a martini and Thai food under my belt

Lolly Dovgal: Gotta run, all hope to see you on the dancefloor tonight at the Crater.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so IM me later if you want a drunkard's tour

Hattie Haystack: lol

Olivia Hotshot: So folks, before we part, start getting those thinking caps on about what we will talk about at the meeting for 2010. We will soon be asking for suggestions.

Olivia Hotshot: Cyber i can take you.

cyber Placebo: sure

Olivia Hotshot: Thanks for coming today everyone!

cyber Placebo: would love to

Marc Rexen: Sheesh, the sims are packed again...border-bumping I guess.

Zotarah Shepherd: Sounds like fun to me.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks Olivia!!!!!!!

Grace Blitz: thank you olivia

Chimera Cosmos: it will be time for the lamplighting soon, right?

Olivia Hotshot: If anyone wants to go with Cyber and me, feel free.

Marc Rexen: Thank you comrade Iggy. :)

Zotarah Shepherd: hmmm maybe later then

Olivia Hotshot: Chim, exactly correct.

Wena Merlin: Bye everyone... I'll be back in 2 weeks' time...

Margaret Michalski: I will see you in two weeks

Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks for a great discussion everyone.

Emilia Cornwall: bye all

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Wena--see you then

Chimera Cosmos: just put Burning Life into search and head for a sim that is less packed :-)

JeanClaude Vollmar: Bye everyone

Hattie Haystack: thanks Olivia....Iggy

Chimera Cosmos: bye all!