Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Oct. 13, 2009
Topic: Asynchronous Learning
Iggy's Note: It was a surreal night. I cannot resist putting in at least one of the odd photos from Olivia's Flickr SLER photostream. Thanks to her and Ponderosafish for posting them! We had some difficulties with open mics and surreal uses of the Mysti-tool table, as you can see. We also had many URLs/SLURLs. I did not pull them out this week. You'll find them embedded below.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our meeting today is on "Asynchronous Learning"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The SL Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm Iggy, the scribe for this group, and I'm hosting while AJ Brooks is away. If you've not seen the transcripts I run, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and I'm filling in for the wonderful AJ Brooks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: who began this and who is in a PhD class tonight :)
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Jarrad Voom: Yea Iggy
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
Olivia Hotshot grins. Thanks Zo!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS, which is home to our Quidditch pitch and the SL MSU Library,
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Today's meeting is in text chat.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.
Jarrad Voom: Yea Olivia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
Gwenette Writer: Aloha folks:)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SpeakEasy HUD detaching...
Grinn Pidgeon: Dr. Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology/English teacher http://slurl.com/secondlife/Outreach/221/206/28
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Gwen
Jarrad Voom: Jarrad Voom here
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills on an educational sim called Ralanora.
Gwenette Writer: Gwenegtte Sinclair vw developer educational campuses and builds
Whitney Bloobury: Whitney Bloom. The InfiLaw System. Higher Education - Law Schools
Bluesky Larkham: "Tim" johnson form Universsity of Worcester UK
Bungy Bingyi: David Smith, Director of Technology at Oakland School for the Arts
LoCE99C8 Morpork: Rosanna Brown, Lassen Community College Library, Susanville (northeastern), California, @RBrownLassen
Lindsay Madrigal: Hi! I've never been here before. I teach in film & digital media at university of california santa cruz.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI. I teach writing--fy comp and creative writing.
Lolly Dovgal: Laura Sederberg, Technology and Learning Program Manager at CSU, Chico.
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico, Instructional Technology Consultant, educator, griefer slayer and all around help at SLER.
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from Leeds University, UK
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood - Education & Technology - ccbeuc - Brazil
enzo Tungsten: Bill Stewart, Computer Literacy USA
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, publisher
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Olivia gets those griefers!
Katie Fenstalker: Katie King, Women's Studies University of Maryland, College Park.'
Arlanders Rae: is Richard Landers, Department of Psychology at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA.
MettaFysykyl Republic: Hi - I'm director of academic technology for a large medical school (5000+ students in various programs)
AgileBill Firehawk: Bill Krebs, corporate trainer in Agile / Scrum / Lean project management - ASPE, Davisbase, and
Agile Dimensions. Raleigh NC USA
Olivia Hotshot: 39 people in the sim - for record
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone else?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: please introduce yourselves....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: going once
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: twice
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: three times
Manus Rau: hi I am in education in postgraduate medicine
cyber Placebo: Edith Paillat/cuber placebo
Computer Jewell: I am Angela Ambrosia, Faculty Chair, Rio Salado College
cyber Placebo: language technology specialist at Victoria university Wellington
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SOLD to Roderick Usher and his ill sister, Madeline :)
Wena Merlin: Hi, I'm Rita Marriott, a PhD student and language tutor at Birmingham University, UK
Zotarah Shepherd: Everyone can sit there is always another chair here at the table. *grins*
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tonight I'll start with a note or two about the topic, and ask for your help
Zotarah Shepherd: 39 so far on the sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Before I do, Olivia wants to say something about Burning Life 2009
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: an event you will not want to miss
Olivia Hotshot: Since so many have asked me: Burning Life starts this Saturday, Oct 17
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woo hooo
Olivia Hotshot: It is simply amazing.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay
Olivia Hotshot: And...
Olivia Hotshot: Here is a link to show you what builds are there. The event schedule is being built as we speak.
Olivia Hotshot: http://burninglife.secondlife.com/whatwhere
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my students will be doing a field trip next week :)
Olivia Hotshot: If anyone would like a notecard with the events at my Theme Camp, say the word and i will shoot one to you. We did a space theme - with GeoFrank Taurog.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: GeoFrank spoke here recently--be sure to see their build!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks for the time Iggy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you bet--looking forward to it
Manus Rau: yes please may i have one
Computer Jewell: I would like one
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: go ahead and IM Olivia about that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so we can use chat for our topic
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I encountered the term asynchronous learning in the mid-90s, when I taught a writing class in which we used the Daedalus software, which had both synchronous and asynchronous modules. So to me it has always been learning down after class.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tonight I'm relying on the Wikipedia def, at:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This adds technology to what we did before the Internet, such as field trips, discussion groups in person, and so forth
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does anyone have a different definition for the term?
Wena Merlin: (Hi, I cannot hear the speaker tonight... what can I do? Thanks!)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I never really thought about how it changed with technology
Zotarah Shepherd: It is all in text
Jarrad Voom: No speaker Wena
Bluesky Larkham: I've never done asynchronous without technology :-)
Olivia Hotshot: Manus, IM me and i will send you a notecard.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you are a youngblood, Bluesky :)
Computer Jewell: I have. Used the US mail system
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: journaling on paper outside to class
Bluesky Larkham: not really just used old technology
Manus Rau: Thanks Olivia
Wena Merlin: Thanks, Zotara and Jarrad!
californiagirl Viper: Hi all, I am late. Sorry! Nice to see you all.
Profdan Netizen: Technically, having students read books is asynchronous learning.
Margaret Michalski: The only asynchronous learning I know uses CMS
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true, Dan
Grinn Pidgeon: well, then homework
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: then it raises my first question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How are your goals different for synchronous and asynchronous learning?
Manus Rau: thanks Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: welcome, Manus.
Margaret Michalski: does the definition differ if you are talking about e-learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Margaret, I don't know but that is a good question
Katie Fenstalker: doing something you don't have time for in class.
AgileBill Firehawk: feels like books are forced - in terms of direction. I picture student centered more as having the students learn via their own initiatives, decisions, and interactions
AgileBill Firehawk: imho
Bluesky Larkham: May be I just come from an very old system that things students should prepare for lecturers any way :-)
Olivia Hotshot: I don't think goals change as much as flexibility changes as do expectations.
Grinn Pidgeon: I'm teaching totally online, so everything is asynchronous
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or expanding the class outside its hours
Grinn Pidgeon: I feel like an orchestra conductor
Profdan Netizen: I tend to think of it as asynchronous vs. synchronous interaction.
Olivia Hotshot: Good one Grinn!
Margaret Michalski: In e-learning asynchronous is the use of CMS etc.
Bluesky Larkham: but just because its online doesnt mean it has to be asynchronous
Lolly Dovgal: Doesn't have to be asynchronous to be online though, Grinn.
Profdan Netizen: Exactly, Bluesky, as what we're doing at the moment shows.
Katie Fenstalker: Also going something place different -- not sure in ELMS style discussion threads though.
Olivia Hotshot: Good point Lolly.
Margaret Michalski: not real-time
Manus Rau: I have been using asynchronous ad synchronous when doing on line
Grinn Pidgeon: but I can't require students to meet synchronously
Lolly Dovgal: I think a combination of both is good.
Manus Rau: yes thats right not real time
Profdan Netizen: I've always had both with fully online classes.
Grinn Pidgeon: I do offer live office hours on Connect, but no one has come yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: mine meet me in SL outside of class, a few times each term
Bluesky Larkham: whyu not Grinn
Katie Fenstalker: waht you do Iggy is what I would like to be doing.
californiagirl Viper: Grinn, can't you require that students do work as a group (which would require them to meet synchronously?
Grinn Pidgeon: All my students work or have families--community college
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie--we almost never use SL during class time
Profdan Netizen: So do mine, Grinn.
Lindsay Madrigal: one of my colleagues meets as a group in SL, like 30 avatars, to look at art projects, so that is very synchronous. & I'm planning something similar
Profdan Netizen: And they do both.
Olivia Hotshot: Groups can meet synch or asynch - it depends on the objectives.
Katie Fenstalker: @Iggy that would be true for me too.
Grinn Pidgeon: they work every week in group pages on Bb, but still not synchronously
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: in terms of those objectives
Grinn Pidgeon: more like sharing documents
Grinn Pidgeon: similar to working in a wiki or Google docs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I want my class to accomplish tasks that a 75 minute class cannot allow
Grinn Pidgeon: google
Margaret Michalski: @Olivia exactly
Grinn Pidgeon: google
Bluesky Larkham: But BB does not really lend itself to synchronous work
Grinn Pidgeon: no it doesn't
californiagirl Viper: does BB not have chat rooms?
Katie Fenstalker: @Iggy tasks, and frankly a kind of fun with each other.
Profdan Netizen: Has a chat, doesn't it?
Olivia Hotshot: Umm Bungy, youre sitting on me.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As much as I dislike BB, it's a good tool for asychn learning when used well
Lolly Dovgal: We use Wimba within Bb Vista, and do both synchronous and asynchronous.
Bluesky Larkham: yes but they are rather poor compared to what students are used to outside
Margaret Michalski: BB does have a chat option but nobody I know actually uses it
Wena Merlin: Hi Ignatius, are you working with tasks as in TBL?
Grinn Pidgeon: chat rooms, yes, but like my office hours, if the time is not good for you, you won't come
Katie Fenstalker: jsut learning about Wimba.
Profdan Netizen: I use chat all the time in Angel.
Lolly Dovgal: Bb Chat is bad.
Aquiel Aero: What is wimba?
Jarrad Voom: Bb does have a chat option, but nobody i know uses it
Lolly Dovgal: Wimba is pretty cool.
Olivia Hotshot: Bb does have a chat option.
Grinn Pidgeon: yes Bb chat is very bad
Bluesky Larkham: Wimba is good yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Wena...what is "TBL?" Task-based learning? If so...no
Jarrad Voom: wimba is a set of add-ons to BB
Manus Rau: werecomend the asynchronous for trainees to use the site to learn afterthe class or work- homework
Profdan Netizen: I use Wimba, but I'm not a fan.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I find that Millennials need discrete goals for everything, so for instance they get a task to visit a site and then blog about it
Wena Merlin: yes, Task-based learning, no problem
cyber Placebo: do you use wmba for synchronous learning?
Bluesky Larkham: or can also be added to Moodle
Katie Fenstalker: bouth asyn and syn are part of getting students to interact with each otehr and not just one and one with me.
Aquiel Aero: can wimba be used with other LMS?
cyber Placebo: I only know of it asynchronously
Olivia Hotshot: We use it for both, Cyber.
cyber Placebo: does it work well?
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, Aquiel.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I also make replying to others' blogs part of the participation grade
Profdan Netizen: I have used the voice chat in Wimba, but the logging is really clunky.
Lolly Dovgal: Yes, visit www.wimba.com for more.
cyber Placebo: anyone use s dimdim or elluminate? for synchronous
Bluesky Larkham: Our language lecturers use Wimba and are very pleased wth it
Olivia Hotshot: Have used both Cyber.
californiagirl Viper: i have used elluminate...works pretty well
Zotarah Shepherd: We have lots of asynchronous learning in SL too.
Lolly Dovgal: Yes, Bluesky
cyber Placebo: si dimdim stable since freeware?
Jarrad Voom: You can also use Ellumnate
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let's stick to asynch tonight, or at least
Gwenette Writer: has anyone used the new inworld tools for BlackBoard/Vista??
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how we balance the two sorts of learning
Grinn Pidgeon: no
Wena Merlin: so are our Italian teachers in our department (about Winba)
Profdan Netizen: Zo, how do you use SL asynch.?
Lolly Dovgal: Think of Asynchronous as more independent or individual projects, and synchronous for teams.
Margaret Michalski: SL has many asynchronous learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm still curious about that sort of thing, Lolly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how our goals differ for each type
Margaret Michalski: Imperial college has a great health related activity
Aquiel Aero: i give my students landmarks and have them do asynch virtual field trips
cyber Placebo: does async mean that teacher is not there
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you have URLs or SLURLs, be sure to post them for our transcript
Zotarah Shepherd: One of the ways I use asynchronous learning in SL is all the great builds that students can visit any time.
cyber Placebo: but student can meet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @cyber, often yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I pop into the blogs to leave commentary and model it for others
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ditto for the student wikis
hobbs Constantine: I would think that goals stay the same - asyn or syn-- but objectives change
Lolly Dovgal: Maybe so, Hobbs.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point, hobbs...how so?
cyber Placebo: @hobbs yes exactly
Margaret Michalski: to me asynchronous that you do not get immediate feedback
Zotarah Shepherd: I would consider all the LitAlive builds asynchronous
californiagirl Viper: did anyone attend the jossey-bass online teaching and learning conf last week? many great ideas for asynch and synch
hobbs Constantine: (I'm defining goals as a class thing, objectives as a learner thing)
Bluesky Larkham: asynchronous in sl is like the respiratory ward at Imperial College
Olivia Hotshot: Gwen, what tools are you talking about in Bb Vista? I am curious as we use that here and i have not been told there are any for Vista.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point, hobbs, because our accrediting agency asks for common goals in all sections of a give program of study
cyber Placebo: goals = ultimate students outcomes
Wena Merlin: async means that the students do their work at their own time, not necessarily interacting with anyone in real time
Zotarah Shepherd: Almost every educational sim has some asynchronous learning places.
Profdan Netizen: I would like to see inworld access to LMS discussion forums.
cyber Placebo: objectives= class activities orientation
Olivia Hotshot: Prof- agree.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it would help with asynch learning, Dan
Profdan Netizen: Exactly, Iggy.
hobbs Constantine: Or cyber: to be more teacher like: Goal: Setting:: Outcome: Standard: Conditions
cyber Placebo: @prof Sloodle
Arlanders Rae: What would you call a SL educational scenario where multiple students came together but with no instructor. Is that still asynch?
Profdan Netizen: Can sloodle do that?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: embedding HTML links in objects w/in SL does not cut it for me
Profdan Netizen: agreed
hobbs Constantine: So an objective would define what a student should be able to do, a goal should define what a class should do
Margaret Michalski: no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I want more transparency...not not "break the metaphor," as Stephenson said in Snowcrash
californiagirl Viper: multiple students together at the same time? Synch, not asynch.
Lolly Dovgal: Anrlanbders, do
Wena Merlin: #synch for the students
Margaret Michalski: @ arladers if another student is there it is still synchronous
Lolly Dovgal: NO
Katie Fenstalker: say more about transparency Iggy.
Olivia Hotshot: or a student and instructor together = synch
Profdan Netizen: But you can do both--small group meets, posts notes for big group to read later.
Arlanders Rae: Eh, but see, that's the problem with the definition. What if you created a setting to be asynchronous, and then people brought their classmates?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie...you don't want so many windows open and doo-dads going that
cyber Placebo: @prof have a look at http://www.sloodle.org/moodle/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: immersion is lost
Lolly Dovgal: Asynch is NOT at the same time, but can be individuals or groups.,
hobbs Constantine: ah!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Arlanders' point is excellent. Consider what happens when a group goes to the library outside of class
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, cyber--but I don't think that students inworld can manipulate a discussion forum that posts into 2D LMS.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and uses a CMS for a project, or a blog
californiagirl Viper: could someone please define CMS?
cyber Placebo: or a wiki
Arlanders Rae: Yes, exactly - take the IBM virtual computer. I could assign students to go explore it. If they don't bring their friends, it's asynch, but if they do, it's synch? That just tells me asynch/synch is a bad way to talk about SL.
Margaret Michalski: course management systems
hobbs Constantine: I can't see any harm in synchr. happening to an asynchronous class
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks, Margaret
Bluesky Larkham: I think there is a difference between asking students to work individuallly and asking them to work asynchronously
Lolly Dovgal: CMS=Content Management System like a Learning Management System (LMS)
californiagirl Viper: thank you margaret
Katie Fenstalker: yes Bluesky
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, one issue that comes up for me..and our next question
Olivia Hotshot: The bang for the buck is in designing ways that students can independently connect to course content at their own place, time & desire. The flexibility is invaluable in this day and economy when people are retooling. When you require students to meet at a specific place and a specific time, someone will always miss out. Asynch provides opportunity.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How do we assess them differently?
californiagirl Viper: and thank you lolly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or do we?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think of CMS as content management system for a website for example
hobbs Constantine: @Olivia: high five girl
californiagirl Viper: asynch provides opportunity, but lack in building community I think
Katie Fenstalker: yes Olivia.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: LMS for a course content manage system for an online course....
Margaret Michalski: asynchronous is usually done based on quizzes
Olivia Hotshot: Ty Hobbs.
Margaret Michalski: but some use the assessment of discussion on boards
Profdan Netizen: Can be done based on discussion forums, Margaret.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @californiagirl...good point. How do you assess community building? I mean, I do grade writers on leaving feedback on blogs and wikis. That's community too.
Katie Fenstalker: I think discussion threads myself for asyn
Grinn Pidgeon: The social aspect of SL can make it fuzzy
hobbs Constantine: Some community can be built asynchronous. Just try sharing a emotion-- you'll hit a cord with someone
Katie Fenstalker: that's what I want Iggy -- community building with all of it. intellectual community.
californiagirl Viper: yes, asynch community. I define community as building trusting relationships with others so one feels able to share in learning
Manus Rau: so is using discussion boards and threads async
Wena Merlin: synch is the equivalent of face-to-face
Margaret Michalski: @ Profdan discussion boards are very effective. No opportunity to discuss with others
Katie Fenstalker: like that hobbes.
Olivia Hotshot: I disagree - given a forum like SL, students can gather - or not - according to their own schedules. Students can pair up and investigate on their own, communities are built, but perhaps not the ones formally designed by the institution.
Arlanders Rae: @Olivia - so is that synch, asynch, or neither?
californiagirl Viper: good point olivia
Katie Fenstalker: actually non formal community may be best Olivia.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie, composition folks are famous for wanting to build a community in the classroom with peer work
Manus Rau: yes Olivia thats what we use it as
CathyWyo1 Haystack: if we go with asynchronous then we lose what we can gain in Second LIfe, socially and immersion and using the tools available for team building ..the sense of presence
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I see asynch tools as ways to expand and extend the discussion
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that some students feel they miss in online courses using a traditional LMS
Profdan Netizen: SL provides embodiment and as sense of place that 2D LMS cannot give.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is the potential of virtual worlds
Jarrad Voom: I agree iggy
Katie Fenstalker: how about social media as both syn and asyn?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But CathWyo1, my students do travel together in SL and then write about their experiences
californiagirl Viper: i love being able to read the book or browse the notes on my own, that is asynch and it's valuable I want to add new ways to do that using new media
CathyWyo1 Haystack: however if students want to take online courses they are doing it for conveneince learning anytime, etc., etc
hobbs Constantine: I respect Cathy's point but I do not entirely agree
Jarrad Voom: discussion board allow student this think more deeply before responding
Margaret Michalski: @ Cathy, would you consider bots asynchronous (ex Freud)
Bluesky Larkham: the thing is SL though is that you can do both synh and asych and both help to create a cohesive community
CathyWyo1 Haystack: bots?
Katie Fenstalker: thinking deeply is good -- thinking on your feet is good too.
Arlanders Rae: I think when most people talk about synch, they are thinking of "forced synch" - teacher sets a time, student attends. But that's a very narrow definition, and I don't think is a good use of the term.
Lolly Dovgal: Asynchronous does allow for students to take more or less time on assignments.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: ohhh
Margaret Michalski: @ cathy programmed avatars
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Katie--good distinction
Lolly Dovgal: Tht allows for accessible alternatives.
Olivia Hotshot: @Arlanders - anything done together is synch - i think maybe you are asking more about formal versus informal communities of learning.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that is why I still give closed book exams in class in old blue books
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yeah I know not sure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: when I teach lit courses
Gwenette Writer: ahh i must offer up my seat folks rl spontaneous event occurring requires atention . . enjoyed the conversation. IF anyone has used the inworld tools fro Blackboard Vista please IM me later. Thanks:)
Profdan Netizen: SL, for my uses, is not ready for prime time, asynchronous wise--in other words, I would still need 2D for discussion forums.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: lke some of the stuff that I have seen JOhn Jamison design
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it forces them to think on their feet and make claims that demonstrate their critical thinking skills
hobbs Constantine: runs from blue books!!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or virtual bacon
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the logic tool
CathyWyo1 Haystack: nothing wrong with that
hobbs Constantine: oops sorry, gut reaction to blue books. They are just fine. :-)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: if the pedagogy of the course means that students wil learn more effectively in groups ...
Katie Fenstalker: lol hobbes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: then that is the most effective
Profdan Netizen: I run as fast as possible from having to read handwritten text!!!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: we have the same arguments here regarding our LMS and how courses are designed
Katie Fenstalker: I like both groups and individual.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @hobbs, you'd love my old-timey tests
Zotarah Shepherd: My students will have asynchronous assignments in SL. They will visit builds and make reports on then and post them in web CT. They will also take photos and put them on SL Notecards so I know they wet to those places.
Aquiel Aero: is wimbra like adobe connect pro?
Lolly Dovgal: Kind of, yes.
Jarrad Voom: kind a yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan--I ask them to PRINT and even do comp book journals in class, plus a blog (public) and a wiki (formal writing)
Profdan Netizen: You can do the pictures in LMS as well, Zo.
Olivia Hotshot: Zotarah - using Snapzilla for that is a good tool as well since it auto Lms where they took it.
Katie Fenstalker: like that Iggy -- I like public writing as well as anything more private.
hobbs Constantine: @Iggy if it was creative writing, I got it. I got it good.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the old composition book is a great private place to begin ideas while exploring SL for a class
Aphilo Aarde: Hi All
Fire Centaur: SLoodle has a freemail module that allows you to put sl snapshots directly into MOODE blogs btw
Olivia Hotshot: hello Aphilo
Fire Centaur: with the location they were taken
Profdan Netizen: That's cool, Fire.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We can move on to another Q if you think we've flogged the assessment Q enough
Fire Centaur: (requires some server specifics though)
cyber Placebo: your wiki = individual but private?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: here's one I love....
cyber Placebo: what kind of task do you give them?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our wikis are public
Olivia Hotshot: Zero low tech snapshot idea is still Snapzilla. Even the newest of the new can do it.
cyber Placebo: @ iggy
Jarrad Voom: even a cave man?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How have your students used blogs or wikis to construct a body of shared knowledge?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as are the blogs
Olivia Hotshot: 47 people on the sim for record.
Katie Fenstalker: like that Iggy. I haven't done that though.
Marc Rexen: Are your students on anonymous ID's iggy?
hobbs Constantine: Can share and critiques sources
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc, I tell them to use a first name initial
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so it's Joe E's wiki
Marc Rexen: ok.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I explain carefully, that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: on the public web
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you have no privacy yet
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you control the amount of disclosure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I really dislike protecting them....too much. They stay in the shallows of Facebook otherwise
Aquiel Aero: iggy, does each class create a wiki or do tey build on the wikis of previous classes?
Bluesky Larkham: Thats a good lesson for them to learn Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they need to learn about the real Web
californiagirl Viper: can you see me?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our wikis are built by me--the shell
hobbs Constantine: LOL "the shallows of Facebook" - love it
Margaret Michalski: My institution is against blogs or wikis for class
Jarrad Voom: I can see you californiagirl
Katie Fenstalker: all they need to learn that although it may be private that doesn't mean lots of folks will actually look at it either.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: each student has editing rights and learns about taking care not to delete others' work
Bluesky Larkham: Why Margaret?
Aphilo Aarde: Here are Second Life Teaching & Learning resources I and other people have aggregated at World University & School wiki (editable web pages) including transcripts from these Montclair State conversations - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Resources#Second_Life_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources
Arlanders Rae: @Margaret - formal policies or just the culture?
Jarrad Voom: Why Margaret?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret...that's tragic...I don't obey rules anyhow so I'd just do it. But you need faculty status to say "F you" that way.
Margaret Michalski: @ Bluesky, they see it too much like a social networking site
Aphilo Aarde: There's a lot there already - and please add more
Katie Fenstalker: thx Aphilo
Aphilo Aarde: yw :)
Olivia Hotshot: universities against wikis and blogs? *shudders*
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Margaret, that's a different reason and, actually, a sadder one than in loco parentis
Bluesky Larkham: but whats wrong with a social networking site
Stacy Zane: yes
Katie Fenstalker: (too many lawyers?)
AgileBill Firehawk: re @Olivia nods
californiagirl Viper: Whitney and Stacy - are you hearing any sound? Is there any? I am just seeing chat.
Olivia Hotshot: too much social =)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It reminds me of Dennis Barron's article, "From Pencils to Pixels"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: where teachers of writing fought the eraser on pencils
Birdie Newcomb: someone has a mike open
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get that link
Profdan Netizen: All text, californiagirl
Zotarah Shepherd: california it is all text today
Katie Fenstalker: @californiagirl isn't only text now.
hobbs Constantine: @Bluesky...oh this makes me shudder. I'm sure the reasons could go on for hours
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: some one check that mic :)
californiagirl Viper: thanks prof netizen
Margaret Michalski: another reason they give is that it is not taken serious, That is why they also do not allow you to cite wikipedia for anything
Olivia Hotshot: I have been asking for the mic to be closed - in pvt.
Zotarah Shepherd: turn down volume on Voice if you like since no one is using it here
hobbs Constantine: @Iggy...link for Pixels??
Profdan Netizen: Boerstorff would fail.
Bluesky Larkham: It just doesnt seem believable - :-(
californiagirl Viper: sorry, we are new to SL! is the "@" intended to direct the comment to one avatar only?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.english.illinois.edu/-people-/faculty/debaron/essays/pencils.htm
californiagirl Viper: Yes stacy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's a wonderful essay about how technology has four stages of development
hobbs Constantine: ty (thank you)
Dagmar Kojishi: The @ directs to one person, but in public. :)
Olivia Hotshot: Cali - yes, it is like Twitter - a reference so people can see their name
Zotarah Shepherd: Well we all like to help when we can california
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Margaret, your school will lose that fight...do they want typed essays only??
californiagirl Viper: thanks Dagmar
Dagmar Kojishi: Sure. Welcome to SL, by the way!
californiagirl Viper: Oh my - the link to the article is gone. Anyway to get the log of the chat?
californiagirl Viper: @Dagmar - thanks! good to be here.
Aphilo Aarde: These transcripts at World University and School are under Virtual Worlds Roundtable - http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/ and here:
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Resources#Second_Life_Teaching_and_Learning_Resources
Dagmar Kojishi: Press Ctrl-H usually.
Zotarah Shepherd: I am in CA too by the way
Katie Fenstalker: @cali it is online
Margaret Michalski: Some departments are using CMS that they can put on their own servers. then they do whatever they like
Profdan Netizen: Click on Communicate>Local chat, California, you can scroll up then.
Aphilo Aarde: Can people suggest other resources we might add to WUaS now?
californiagirl Viper: @Dagmar, ty again! :)
Olivia Hotshot: Aesir - please close the mic. It is blasting people.
Margaret Michalski: as long as the university does not find out
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Anyone have good examples of asynchronous learning that occurs INSIDE SL? Put in SLURLs if you have them. I'd nominate the Virtual Theorists Project as such a model.
Aphilo Aarde: ... about asynchronous learning ...
CathyWyo1 Haystack: oh there has to be some things as Sci Lands
Dagmar Kojishi: And as Profdan points out, there's usually more than one way to accomplish anything in SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Genome Island?
Margaret Michalski: Imperial College, St. Georges, Nutrition game by Ohio state
CathyWyo1 Haystack: NMU's Speech and Language Pathology Center is amazing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll try to get SLURLs but if you have them, put them in chat
Aquiel Aero: the University of Cincinnati's Galapagos islands site is a good example of asynch learning
Margaret Michalski: In a way Frued can be considered asyhnrounus
Fire Centaur: Just wanted to let everyone know, llTextBox has been implemented in the green emerald viewer as of today!!!! amazing for us educators - this may help in the tools we create for asynchronous learning!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My students walked through the iceberg
californiagirl Viper: @Profdan netizen - thanks for the tip! Sorry, it's a bit nuts doing this without any prior experience.
Profdan Netizen: What's it do, Fire?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: does a better job of explaining id--ego--superego than Freud does in the text they read
Fire Centaur: it allows for text input on a dialog!
Fire Centaur: I've been waiting for this for two years!
Profdan Netizen: A dialog?
Fire Centaur: ie: a blue dialog box
Fire Centaur: those pop up menus
Bluesky Larkham: heres the slurl for Imperial college respiratory ward http://slurl.com/secondlife/Imperial%20College%20London/149/65/27
Dagmar Kojishi: The blue box? If you create it with Emerald, can others respond via a different viewer?
Fire Centaur: it only works in emerald now, but emerald is opensource
Margaret Michalski: I know that someone on healthinfo has a display of an artery which would be technically considered asynchrounous
Fire Centaur: so may get implemented in other viewers soon
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: virtual theorists is right here near us
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Montclair%20State%20CEHSADP/76/196/23
hobbs Constantine: Sistine Chapel, Dinosaur Park
Margaret Michalski: Here on MCCHSSouth there are a few projects that could be considered asynchronous
Dagmar Kojishi: Right. I usually use it, but this forum seems to me to load slower in that viewer, so I come here with the "official" viewer. Thanks!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you have not seen it, and have time after our meeting, stop by
Olivia Hotshot: Aesir - PLEASE last time, turn off the mic.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I had a question from a participant
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I dont' want to start a flame-war about Blackboard so
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: confine your answers not to the company and its policies
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but instead to why folks dislike its features so much
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll be honest...it's the easy tool for our Online Writing Lab
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think the issues could be said of any LMs
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they are somewhat inflexible
Profdan Netizen: I had no problem with features, when we had it. but their service was atrocious.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they don't lend themselves to creativity very well
hobbs Constantine: boxed in, limited choices, it's just a digital rewrite of a traditional classroom
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: every Continuing Studies Student gets enrolled automatically in that class
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and can drop off papers for review
Zotarah Shepherd: I have a few interactive educational builds and many in SL do as well.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they don't allow for the immersive feeling that virtuals worlds may have that sense of presence
Bluesky Larkham: cant do a lot of things i can do with moodle
Profdan Netizen: Every single class at LCC has an Angel LMS site.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @hobbs...that's why I stopped using it....I wanted community, not a teacher-centered environment
Sheila Yoshikawa: They privilege tutor content = students can't contribute content in the same way designers can (I'm talking about WebCT) -
hobbs Constantine: dramatic lack of faculty help in creating a truly amazing class.
hobbs Constantine: Boring
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the communication tools in Second Life are good ones, group set up, voice and text chat
Grinn Pidgeon: good article in First Monday on whether you dominate your CMS or it dominates you: http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2530/2303
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wikis and blogs are much freer...if students are careful with setting them up
Aphilo Aarde: I think Patio Plasma at the San Francisco Exploratorium museum in-world Physics' Exhibitions are the most innovative development in Second Life which I've seen. See World University > Subjects > Physics > but I 'll also post it to WUaS Second Life Teaching and Learning Resources - and a great example of asynchronous learning.
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, exactly. at this point in education the concept of responsibility should be known.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Use appropriately Second LIfe can facilitate a place for teamwork and group work that is closely parallel to real life
hobbs Constantine: Not that I'd kick Bb to the curb...it's what we have for now (and I mean all DCMS) but we'll look back some day and giggle as it is 'so basic'
CathyWyo1 Haystack: ot can be likened to real life
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for our last 10 minutes...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what questions have not been answered today?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in many aspects and in the implementation of activities
Profdan Netizen: The problem is that colleges who spend a lot of money on LMS want it to be used, and want a relatively seamless use from one class to the next.
Zotarah Shepherd: Different platforms do not have to be exclusive, but best used in concert.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Dan, I'm not tenured, but tenured faculty have a roll in saying "no way"
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Zotarah, agree
Bluesky Larkham: But Prof, BB just does not suit all classes and all subjects
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: *role even..or something
Lolly Dovgal: Instructors have "academic freedom" to use Bb or not.
hobbs Constantine: Did we talk about best pedagogical strategies for asyn such as user generated content
Fire Centaur: Hehe noobs
Zotarah Shepherd: SSU where I will teach has WebCT so I will use that as well as SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I need dinner...thinking of "roll"
Lolly Dovgal: Thank God students influence faculty to try using more tools.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: are you seeing that grassroots pressure?
Zotarah Shepherd: and colleagues as well Lolly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My students are so timid
Lolly Dovgal: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I've noted that for the past few years
Manus Rau: Timid students you are lucky
Lolly Dovgal: We are yes, students do have influence.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: They dislike leaving their "comfort zone" ( a term I hate )
Olivia Hotshot: <<Please everyone CLOSE mics>>
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: keep in mind, I teach 18 year olds mostly
Profdan Netizen: When you're going into debt tens of thousands of dollars, you tend not to want to rock the boat.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heh--that's their parents
CathyWyo1 Haystack: As education become more learner centric we will see many changes
hobbs Constantine: @Prof-- ha!
Bluesky Larkham: Yes Iggy, i find students are very reluctant to stand up and be counted
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I do wonder if those paying their own way demand better tools
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in technology and the how and the when
Margaret Michalski: For me SL has great potential for asyn learning. It give the students visualiation. which is the downfall for what it is today in most universities.
californiagirl Viper: Excuse me - is muting done in SL software on on local hardware?
Manus Rau: thats what we have is learner centered but now they want us to drive it for them
Marc Rexen: Just turn voice down in the sound panel.
Randi Hooker: SL Viper
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Drive it ?
Bluesky Larkham: I think that if I was paying for something I'd make as much noise as i wanted :-)
Marc Rexen: or individually mute on the Active SPeakers list.
Zotarah Shepherd: In SL california
hobbs Constantine: I'm less worried about what they demand in college than what they'll demand after college
Zotarah Shepherd: Me too hobbs
Lolly Dovgal: yes
Manus Rau: well they want us to as teachers and supervisors push them to learn Cathy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: well yes that is the job
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but will there be pressure from employers
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to change how we use tools?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: there is pressure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: in many ways, the workplaces are ahead of us..my dry clearers has a Twitter feed :D
Profdan Netizen: For using what?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes...
Profdan Netizen: funny!
AgileBill Firehawk: wow, @Ig
Bluesky Larkham: It is our responsibility as the professionals to oppose anything that is not appropriate use of technology
Zotarah Shepherd: I think educators should listen to what employers want in different fields so we can prepare students for those jobs.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in our system you wouldn't believe how many committees something has to go through for a decision to be made
Fire Centaur: I have to go everyone, thanks for the round table, I will try to come again next week!
Profdan Netizen: I have a student who wants to go into nursing, and is bitching about using online writing/communication--meanwhile the local hospital is going electronic.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is why I thing for profits are so far ahead of publics
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in being responsive to employment needs
Aphilo Aarde: Let folks know that Harvard is offering a free Doctor of Education Degree starting in 2010 for the 25 admitted
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in implementing new technologies
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: any final remarks??
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks to everyone for coming tonight
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Iggy, a terrific meeting.
Aphilo Aarde: Details are here at World University and School - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Courses
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we have a great topic next week
Katie Fenstalker: thank you Iggy.
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Iggy!
Lolly Dovgal: Aphilo, what? wow
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: working with student content
Aphilo Aarde: Thanks!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: accreditation standards relly are holding back innovation ...
Aphilo Aarde: It's pretty cool
Manus Rau: thanks all very interesting
Manus Rau: bye
Bungy Bingyi: Thanks all.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and the focus should be more on quality improvement
Wena Merlin: Cheers everyone!
Bluesky Larkham: @Prof Neit - I used to get that a lot but the nursing students are getting better at using IT now some still dont want to use email though
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll have this transcript out by week's end
CathyWyo1 Haystack: focus
hobbs Constantine: Thank you Iggy!
Margaret Michalski: See you all next week
Zotarah Shepherd: I am looking for a PhD program to pursue after I finish my MA Aphilo - thanks
Lolly Dovgal: Thanks, everyone.