Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Oct. 6, 2009
Topic: Rezzable, Heritage Key, Greenies, and More (Special Guest Jon Himoff (SL: RightAsRain Rimbaud)
Special Thanks: Mirt Tenk for voice-to-text transcription; Margaret Michalski for voice support, Oliva Hotshot for event security and photos, Ponderosafish for photos. (visit Olivia's blog and Flickr photostream). See Olivia's Flickr group for the SLER to add your own photos.
Call-out Points:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
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Mirt Tenk: yw
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RightAsRain Rimbaud: olivia rox
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm Joe Essid, University of Richmond Dept. of Rhetoric & Communication Studies
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and it is my great pleasure to introduce tonight's guest, Jon Himoff, CEO of Rezzable
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jon's work with virtual worlds is well known and broadly respected in SL and beyond.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Prior to founding Rezzable in 2007, he held CEO-roles at enterprise-software development and services companies that delivered innovation solutions via hosted platforms and advanced planning technologies.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rezzable may best be known for Greenies, the whimsical and powerfully envisioned sim in Second Life that puts visitors in the perspective of pint-sized aliens who have invaded the earth, or at least one very unlucky house.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A few images from the SL sim appear on the presenter behind us. Greenies can be found in SL at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Greenies%20Home%20Rezzable/128/128/32
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: While Rezzable made some outstanding content in SL, the company decided this year to withdraw most content from this virtual world and instead concentrate heavily on the Heritage Key project, starting with an immersive Virtual King Tut experience using the Open Sim virtual world technology. For information on this world, consult http://heritage-key.com/ and follow the links to create an avatar to explore ancient Egypt.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Given Jon's role as a preeminent content creator in SL and elswhere, we're honored to have him as our guest tonight.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let's plunge right in with a few questions.
RightAsRain Rimbaud blushes
Mirt Tenk: ty!
RightAsRain Rimbaud: ty
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What got you interested in virtual worlds?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the future of the 3D web, first imagined in SciFi & moviesw, now in SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you can also create your env in SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: learned about SL from cousin David who runs LanguageLab
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: they're using SL to teach languages
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: my cousin pestered me for a year before I tried it
Mirt Tenk: Iggy: how long have you been inworld?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I've had mult avs
Mirt Tenk: that was supposed to be a quote
Mirt Tenk: yay!
Olivia Hotshot straight from Norcal. =)
Mirt Tenk: Iggy: If you want info RE HeritageKey, see TieDyed Beachball for info (touch)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tell our audience about the sorts of services that Rezzable provides its clients.
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: RE Rezzable, tell us about yoru services
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we didn't provide services initially
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: when looking @ VW space we thought we'd created our own brands & destinations
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: that seemed a better investment of our time to demo to other companies what is possible
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the whole VW online exp is still v new, many don't understand it well yet
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we decided to "get on w/it" and make things
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Heritage Key is the first content-centered area w/community
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: Why Virtual Online Experience instead of using "Virtual World?"
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: VW is a fairly old concept
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: SL isn't the first or last VW
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point, that
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I don't like the metaphor of our planet as a constraint on a virtual experience
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: SL is more of a Virtual land sales company
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we didn't get into virtual land
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: this seems flawed
Thinkerer Melville: great for those people who can make the land
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I can see why others use this concept & take advantage of it
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I believe computer capacity & speed should become faster over time
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: virtual land in that instance won't increase in value
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you are early adopters
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: next mass market won't be interested in virtual land
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: I like that
Olivia Hotshot: 57 in sim for transcript
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: if I was longer @ the pub I might argue virtual land is not an accurate or legal term
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: land can't be virtual by definition
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: metaphor gives comfort & orientation & land is useful in that sense
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: can't create a contract w/someone over something thtat doesn't exist
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Virtual land sales people want to create false sense of capacity to increase prices
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: technology drives the opposite direction
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: someone like King Tut: everyone should be able to come see it
Mirt Tenk: shouldn't be restricted to a quarter of a SL server
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rezzable is best know for Greenies. What inspired that concept?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: when we began Rezzable
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: wanted to explore qualities of virtual environment
Olivia Hotshot: Not Possible in Real Life
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: ??community
Olivia Hotshot: <-- proud member
Mirt Tenk: ty Olivia
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: artist community much more exploratory
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we want to take advantage of the native material in the env
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: w/Greenies we were inspired by the figures
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: when he (?) understood how to make stuff in SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: he could make realistic things but chose to make createive things
LittleToe Bartlett: he= Light Waves
Mirt Tenk: ty LToe
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Light Waves always inspired us, took advantage of what was possible
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we created an environment to showcase that
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: what makes greenies great is that everyone goes there & has fun doing random stuff, meeting people, goofing off, exploring meetin others virtually
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: it's a fun place
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: it fits the SL community & experience well
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: more than 2.5 million have been through the Greenies experience
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: my students love to go to Greenies & play
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you had to look back over your work in SL, what would you say is the most complete realization of Rezzable's vision?
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked: RE all your work in SL, what is the most complete realization of Rezzable's vision?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Heritage Key
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Greenies is a good example of how people enjoy the virtual env
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes it makes sense...more than a playground
Mirt Tenk: but not the purpose of it
Olivia Hotshot: <-- 1 of the millions - Greenies: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Greenies%20Home%20Rezzable/145/16/23
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: many educators here may not know what Open Sim is
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: OpenSim is a 3D Online simulator
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: similar to SL but written separately and behaves differently
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: OpenSim replicates many SL features but provides different opportunities
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we run our own Open Sim servers
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: We run Drupal and run our own grid
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: quality of prims & scultpies is identical to SL
Mirt Tenk: Iggy Said: got my first av in Reaction Grid this week
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why did Rezzable choose to remove most of their SL content? What might get you to expand your work again in the Linden metaverse again?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we view Rezzable as a content creator for virtual experience
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: if it's on different platforms, we're not committed to a platform
Ahlan Oh: How to you fund your work with Heritage Key?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you don't buy software, you buy a relationship w/a software developer
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're on the web as a 2D experience
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we are talking w/OpenSim
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we like OpenSim b/c it is less risky b/c you don't deal w/a Software dev house, you deal w/the code
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we've been fortunate to work w/the core dev team on OpenSim
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: We don't make the software
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we migrated off of SL b/c SL is too expensive and LL is not as responsive as we need
Ahlan Oh: How to you fund your work with Heritage Key?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Rezzable & Heritage Key are about experience, not platform
Mirt Tenk: ty whew
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tell us about Heritage Key and the Virtual King Tut experiences. How do you imagine educators might use these resources?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: everyone wants to have a personal experience w/some ancient world site
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: ppl go to Egypt, Stonehenge, Chichen Itza, etc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I hope you do Istanbul!
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: everyone wants to personally explore the ancient world
Lokum Shilova: :)
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Generally, you don't understand what you're looking at; you can get a tour from a guide or read a book but not a sense of the original creation of it
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Terra Cotta Warriors--saw the exhibit--thought could make them in a VW, could make them they way they were first created
Mirt Tenk: not as they are now
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: made us think this is a domain w/a VW that is fantastic, lets you travel through time & space, can't possibly see all of them in RL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Heritage Key concept is a lot of web material
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the virtual piece adds a new & exciting dimension
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: can see who discovered it, why it was made, how made
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: interact w/others w/similar experiences
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you can see virtual Stonehenge, learn more about it today that you can't do elsewhere
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: combo of web w/virtual has unique impact
Mirt Tenk: Iggy told his students to imagine building Stonehenge
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: we've discussed museums & their resistance to using this type of technology. Are they changing their perspective on it?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that seems so odd
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: museums are interested in this, trying to do innovative stuff, not on bleeding edge of technology as a group
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: they don't have big budgets, not willing to take significant risk
Mirt Tenk thinks _Crossing the Chasm_ applies
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: more museums are incorporating more technology
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked how do you vet your staff who write for your web portal?
Arielion Clawtooth: Do you get there through SL or is it an entirely different process?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: they're professional journalists, we check writing samples & references
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we try to fact-check it as much as possible
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're trying to allow people to decide which authors they want to trust
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: users can segment the content themselves
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we don't tolerate abuse but try to allow people to share their opinions
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're trying to be respectful of people's opinions
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we do have a Rezzable grid which people can still access
Julala Demina: /do you have to have a new avatar for each opensim grid?
[Iggy's reply: It seems not, for the one I created with Reaction Grid. The client I used, from Hippo, lets me log on to multiple grids but of course my inventory will not follow me. I donÕt know if Open Sim avatars can log onto Heritage Key. I created an account just for that grid].
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked from Olivia: all your prior SL content is now on the Rezzable Grid?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: yes
Mirt Tenk pants
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: King Tut in particular is the greatest archeological find ever
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Educators struggle with getting often-resistant students to create one avatar. What would be compelling enough about your OpenSim sites to get educators to try a second virtual world?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I've seen it three times
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I saw that in Philly
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: saw in NY, London (more disappointing exhibition)
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: and Cairo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--disappointment in terms of the artifacts they chose to share
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: when you see it in a virtual environment you can see more, study at your own pace
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the level of detail we can share is spectacular
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you can read the hieroglyphics in detail, things you can't see in detail in RL exhibits
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: you won't get this from a book or an exhibition
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: it's a combo of details, understanding the context WHILE you are in the environment
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: virt environments are unbeatable for looking at details
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said: looking at assignments for his students at the King Tut exhibit
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked about Builderbot
Mirt Tenk: ty
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Your creation Builderbot made many residents angry at Rezzable. Could you first explain what builderbot does? Then tell us what you have changed to reduce
some of the anger expressed over your initial announcement to release it?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Builderbot is a toolset we used to move our content to OpenSim form SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: existing tools didn't work well for this
Olivia Hotshot cries.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 40 sims at one point in SL!
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: at one point we had about 40 sims and we abandoned about 20 of them
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: SL won't allow you to even pay to remove content from SL after paying to put it there
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we built a bot to take content out of our sims to move to OpenSim
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: LibOpenV is an Open Source Project
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: many people thought sharing the code would encouratge content theft
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we modified the code to allow only builders to move content
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: there may have been changes to the grid or issues around how we can archive stuff off of SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're retooling the Builderbot and trying to decide if it's worth it
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: since we're focused on Heritage Key it's hard to allocate resources to maintain the tool
Olivia Hotshot: i'd give it to you Igg.
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said would like to make a backup copy of his own House of Usher project out side of SL
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said the tool would not permit him to take material made by others for him
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: all our property was developed under contracts which allow us to reuse the content however we want
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: our contractual agreements permitted us to take our stuff off of SL
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we talked to the Lindens about this
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: LL said "not really right, not really wrong"
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: it's a big gray area, many feelings emerged RE who can do what w/content
RightAsRain Rimbaud: ooooo matrix
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You have considerable costs involved in running such a project as
Heritage Key. How it all funded?
RightAsRain Rimbaud likes the matrix
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: is there a danger the virtual will be superior to the real?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: yeah, HK in particular, we say you have to go the site for the experience
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: how does an online exp enhance your experience
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're aiming to add value to the real world
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we can process metaphor about time travel, allows you to fantasize or imagine & think back in time, build a richer understanding
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: is it different from what the Egyptians were going through? We want to try to trigger imaginations but not to have imagination supplant real life
Olivia Hotshot: 59 people in the sim
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we have investors
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: I've helped start other companies
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we've had two funding rounds
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: that's how you get new ideas going
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: other companies I've helped start have worked out well, so I have a track record
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're looking to monetize the work we're doing
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we'd like to generate revenue from sponsorships, paid ads, paid access to more resource-intensive activities
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we are working on an educator toolkit
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: people may pay to use our DB to deliver specific stuff
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: may pay for enhanced resources
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said many of us are developing edu resources that might evolve into that
Olivia Hotshot claps.
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked: if I do a Heritage Key assignment, will you encourage educators to develop materials and provide for free to others?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my project with HK: http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/Saving-Isis
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: everything is Creative Commons, we ask people to provide attribution but can pull stuff off our site
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we won't be happy if people abuse our CC requests
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Did they use an Egyptologist/Historian as a consultant on this Heritage Key project?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Yes we used several
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we were lucky to work w/leading Egyptologists in the world
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: working w/(name?) leading in this field
Olivia Hotshot: What does he think of Virtual investigations?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we dont' know about archaeology, our role is to help people discover it
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we are working w/ppl who write about the topics, bloggers, authors, movie-makers
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we love all the experts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get his name for our transcript, Mirt...I think it's at the site for HK
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we can package it and make it friendly so users can find it
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're relying on the experts to explain all these discoveries & the relevance
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll avoid the Spinal Tap refs
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're getting interviews w/experts about Stonehenge
Ashy Viper: Zahir Hawaz was the name ... pretty sure
Melchizedek Blauvelt: Zahi Hawass, for whoever is looking for the name
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked: was there any interest in the Smithsonian in the Virtual Tut exhibit?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: these organizations are bureaucratic & hard to work with
Dagmar Kojishi: http://www.drhawass.com/
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we're working in Cairo
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: here in Europe there's the Louvre, Berlin museum
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: Smithsonian isn't at the top of our list
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: The Met in NY is a goal
Mirt Tenk: Iggy asked: what about future plans?
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the big picture is that the whole online media is changing the world dramatically
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: online advertising has passed TV advertising in the UK
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and note the projection that Hamlet Au published about VWs for business
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the established media world is trying to come to grips w/dramatic changes
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we see the 3D web as fantastic opportunities (real-time social)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/10/new-world-newsfeed-.html
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we see multiple-device access to this coming soon
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: as convergence occurs, there will be a gap for new experiences
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: HK wants to pull all this together
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: this is where HK sees ourselves as a new media organization
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: great there is so much interest, esp among educators
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: TV has played down to lowest common denominator
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good term there, to make "aspirational learning more fun"
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: we want to see people be more engaged and better community members (teach kids to become this)
Mirt Tenk: RightAsRain said: the Internet is one big community, we all need to be better community members
Olivia Hotshot: Please click the tie dyed ball int he air to get information about Heritage Key and Opensim
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Olivia Hotshot claps
RightAsRain Rimbaud: ty
Mackmarn Parx: thanks!
Zotarah Shepherd applauds
Viv Trafalgar claps
Margaret Michalski: Thank you
Garlande Greene: Yay, Hooooray!! Thanks!
Kathryn Pleides: yay!
Panacea Luminos: Way to Go ^^
Dagmar Kojishi claps
mima Yuitza claps
Birdie Newcomb: tytyty
Firery Broome: thank you!
Grey Breil: thanks for that!
Olivia Hotshot: Yay! Great talk.
Lokum Shilova: thank you
Calisto Encinal claps.
Jerod Bagley: clap clap clap
Alan Sandalwood: Thank you
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Thank you. very thought provoking
Wena Merlin: Thank you!
Hattie Haystack: thank you so much!
RightAsRain Rimbaud: any further questions pls email.... jon@heritage-key.com
Ashy Viper: applauses
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Jon for all you have given us.
LittleToe Bartlett: I have questions ;P
Olivia Hotshot: 58
Viv Trafalgar chuckles
Shambala Kimono: [4:31:40 PM] nobleone aeon: we also need to be inspired individuals
[4:31:55 PM] nobleone aeon: open to think outside the box established by the community
[4:32:04 PM] nobleone aeon: the key will be finding that balance
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you both interesting presentation.
Viv Trafalgar: with me!
Viv Trafalgar: /headdesk
Viv Trafalgar: next topic
Lokum Shilova: =)
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Mirt for the text
Olivia Hotshot: lots and lots of talented folks here.
Viv Trafalgar: YAY
Viv Trafalgar: test, break
Viv Trafalgar: whatever
Viv Trafalgar: semantics
Olivia Hotshot: mee toooooo!
Mirt Tenk: yw
Mirt Tenk apologizes for massive typos, had terrible text lag so couldn't see it as I was typing it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia thanks Mirt too for transcribing!
Dusty Artaud: fab job Mirt really appreciate it.
Zotarah Shepherd: You did very well Mirt Thank you.
Viv Trafalgar: 3!
Mirt Tenk: lol
Lokum Shilova: =)
Viv Trafalgar: something!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Mirt!
Viv Trafalgar: 4!
Dusty Artaud: Jon I was a tester for TUT and I volunteer as a tester again if you need them
Julala Demina: i visited the king tut exhibition just a couple of days ago
Julala Demina: really cool
Mirt Tenk: hear, hear!
Olivia Hotshot: good one.
Julala Demina: no we wouldn't
Mirt Tenk: thank you very much for sharing w/us!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you.
Olivia Hotshot: \o/ Mirt!!
Ashy Viper: thank you
RightAsRain Rimbaud: thanks to you all!
