Transcript of Second Life Education Roundtable: Sept. 15, 2009
Communities of Practice: Discussion on Presentation Tools
Photos by Olivia Hotshot and Ponderosafish (visit Olivia's blog and Flickr photostream). See Olivia's Flickr group for the SLER to add your own photos.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: a model student I am sure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our meeting today is on "Communities of Practice: Discussion on Presentation Tools"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The SL Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our magic expanding table will always have an empty seat, located closest to the ramp.
npellas Passariello: hello from Greece
Emma Altstatter: I dont have voice, is that ok?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The College of Humanities, Social Sciences, or Office of Information Technology.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm Iggy, the scribe for this group, and I'm hosting while AJ Brooks is away. If you've not seen the transcripts I run, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Kali Pizzaro: i will be trying to transcribe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community. Visit http://www.flickr.
Margaret Michalski: @ Emma, just type into text
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Kali Pizzaro: yep
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS, which is home to our Quidditch pitch and the SL MSU Library,
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Today's meeting is in voice. I ask you to type into text chat anything you want captured for the transcript.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We do not have transcribers today.
Margaret Michalski: Please check your voice settings. We will be using voice today.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: is waking up the rl equivalent to rezzing ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you need support with voice, please IM Margaret Michalski who is at the main table.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: anyone given that any thought?
Margaret Michalski: If having trouble IM me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
Jennette Forager: Janalee Redmond, The Epoch Institute, Washington, DC
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico, techie and educator
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe, Tulsa Community College, LRC Supervisor
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI. I teach fy composition and creative writing.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Glasgow Caledonian University
Firery Broome: University of Delaware
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Cathy Anderson, South Dakota Board of Regents, Academics
JonMedia Renegade: JonMedia Renegade, Baker College
Jarrad Voom: Jarrad Voom Pierce College in Puget sound Washington
Hattie Haystack: Gail Hanson Brenner, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire, Clinical Nursing Instructor
Mimi Muircastle: Charlotte/Mimi independent educ.
Katie Fenstalker: Katie King, Women's Studies, University of Maryland, College Park.
Spiral Theas: Hi Everyone. I'm Spiral Theas and I'm based in Boston, science writer and education consultant.
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Tomáš Bouda, Student of LIS, Czech republic
npellas Passariello: nick Pellas Aristotle university of Thessaloniki Greece
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Science Education Program Community Facilitator, Western Governors University, remote faculty in northern New York
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills. I am building an educational sim called Ralanora now.
Herb Glenwalker: Herb Glenwalker, NASA
Deb Quintessa: Debbie Newman, Working Relationships (California)
Ida Galtier: Rob O'Brien, department of Anthropology, Ruters
Aimee Pixelmaid: Amy Papp, Iowa Distance Learning Association, Specialist - Virtual Classroom
Emma Altstatter: Emma Altstatter, Dallas County Community College District
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: LoCE99Ch8 Morpork, Rosanna Brown Lassen college Northeastern California: Susanville
Zage Farman: Frederic Emam-Zade Gerardino (RL)
Principal Economist - Former Executive Director
Fundación Global Democracia y Desarrollo
(Global Foundation for Democracy and Development)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: wow Greece, Czech republic
Mackmarn Parx: Mike Moran, University of Illinois at Chicago, grad student MS in Biomedical Visualization
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Call me Lo.
Aphilo Aarde: Aphilo Aarde / Scott MacLeod - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com and an anthropologist and virtual ethnographer
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy all over the world today
Cindy Bolero: Cindy Bolero : Virtual Worlds Educator at five SF Bay Area colleges, Large-scale Mixed-reality specialists, SL Solution Provider/Developer
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: any more intros?
Jeff Oatsmill: Jeff Oatsmill. Corporate Training coordinator in 1st Life, in second life to be part of a great learning tool
Olivia Hotshot: Empty seat is always on the left by the rampp.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - keep introducing yourself
Zotarah Shepherd: Wow 43 people here so far!
Chimera Cosmos: Liz Dorland, Washington University in St. Louis, formerly at Mesa Community College, Maricopa District AZ
Ping Exonar: IT Program Coordinator Clarendon college, Pampa, Texas
ericcgcc Yootz: eric greene columbia gorge com col the dalles, oregon
Spiral Theas: 43! a record?
Cilian McCullough: John Kinsella, Professional Association of Diving Instructors (PADI's home in sl is Dive World
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- going once, going twice
Olivia Hotshot: not a record Spiral.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- sold to the vampire in the corner wearing the necklace
Zotarah Shepherd: Not a record. But a lot for the sim.
Kali Pizzaro: oh very ood
Kali Pizzaro: good
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- looking at presentation tools so this is a timely meeting for
Kali Pizzaro: professional development
Kali Pizzaro: iggy- has used one or two presentation tools
Ping Exonar: BrainBoard in Thinkbalm is great tool
Aphilo Aarde: Aphilo Aarde - further introduction on webnographers.org researcher's page - http://www.webnographers.org/index.php?title=Researchers - a useful wiki reference
Kali Pizzaro: he has brought a v-com? presenter
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- has a couple of questions
Kali Pizzaro: pay attention
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How many of you have you used presentation tools in training or teaching?
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes or nos
Olivia Hotshot: yes
Ping Exonar: yes
Katie Fenstalker: y
Spiral Theas: yes
Cindy Bolero: y
Serena Guardian: yep
Jennette Forager: y
Zdenek Buchsbaum: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: =yes
Profdan Netizen: no
hobbs Constantine: yes
Kali Pizzaro: no
JonMedia Renegade: no
Herb Glenwalker: no
Aimee Pixelmaid: yes
Firery Broome: y
Mimi Muircastle: no
Kali Pizzaro: not yet
Jarrad Voom: IN rl not sl
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: yes
Margaret Michalski: no
Mackmarn Parx: no
AgileBill Firehawk: yes
Aphilo Aarde: Yes
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- bit split there
Mimi Muircastle: errrr, not yet, but making slide shows myself
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: RL powerpoint
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- using powerpoint in vw is quite different
Profdan Netizen: And note the tool?
Cilian McCullough: fine as long as you preload the textures
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- How did the tools you have used in SL work
Aphilo Aarde: Please check out World University and School's educational FREEWARE - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Educational_Software
AgileBill Firehawk: Turbo Presomatic
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How have you used presentation tools in training or teaching?
Olivia Hotshot: Etherpad, also PowerPoint presenter
Katie Fenstalker: takeoff point for discussion -- pics from PP put into simple viewer in SL.
Ping Exonar: presenter Board, Brainboard both from ThinkBalm
Spiral Theas: NMC's media screen - worked really well for a straight PPT presentation.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For specific tools, how did they work well?
Olivia Hotshot: NMC 's media screen also
Spiral Theas: FLickr viewer - worked well.
Morgen String: notecard reader
Kali Pizzaro: You can use voice if you wish just say your name first
Serena Guardian: I used a slideshow application in SL to do a presentation in RL that was also recorded using Echo 360
Mimi Muircastle: a viewer in SL by importing slides I made in Photoshop elements with captions
Ping Exonar: Presenter Board--excellent!!
Aimee Pixelmaid: Presomatice Viewer - very pleased with it's preloading to reduce lag
Kali Pizzaro: If you have Urls post them please - Iggy
AgileBill Firehawk: yes, preloading is great
Aphilo Aarde: I've used Veodia to stream video into Second LIfe, but I don't think it's working anymore.
Aimee Pixelmaid: correction: Preso Matic Turbo
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy will post his now
Mimi Muircastle: I put mine on a presentation board I made and bought a script
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hippo Slide Show: http://www.hippo-technologies.co.uk/products/hipposlideshow/index.php
Aphilo Aarde: Please add free educational software to World University and School - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Educational_Software - It's a wiki
Spiral Theas: Mimi rolls her own!
Jennette Forager: Prosperso's Presentation Screen pre-rezzes and has a laser pointer and is free. Prospero's Gadgets & Miscellania, NineInchNerds (198, 145, 21)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: VCOMM presenter: http://www.vcommpresenter.com/
Morgen String: I use it too:-)
Jennette Forager: Also a Control HUD that is very nice.
Mimi Muircastle: I am working on learning , Spiral :)
Morgen String: It allows ppt presentations for free
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so many choices!
Jarrad Voom: I am
Aphilo Aarde: are justin.tv - broadcast live to a browser
Aphilo Aarde: and dimdim, which I haven't used - video streaming and white board -
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- here is a interesting question
Aphilo Aarde: Both are free
Kali Pizzaro: Vcom he had to own the media stream
Jennette Forager: But not stream...right?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I found, for instance, that while I LOVE the VCOMM board's ability to convert Powerpoint shows to in-world presentations, I had to control the media stream on the parcel where I used it. Even for a free tool that was a tall order if I wanted to use it, say, at a conference
Morgen String: yes, or share with the group
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: That's why I like the Hippo Slide-Show Viewer that I also brought along. It lets me drop in images from inventory on the fly at a meeting.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- good point Morgan
Morgen String: :-)
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- lot of homework to pick a tool for the correct setting
Spiral Theas: I can hear you.
Morgen String: ok, thanks
Kali Pizzaro: If nay problems with voice IM Margaret
Aimee Pixelmaid: I just got a lot of buzz in the audio?
Chimera Cosmos: like we used to have to take transparencies to back up ppt failure LOL
Jennette Forager: Ida, can you mute your mike please.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- so lets turn to how a specific tool was used well
Margaret Michalski: Anyone Having trouble let me know
Morgen String: Is Hippo free?
Morgen String: ok, ty
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - is going to use hippo(7 - 8 lindens)
Kali Pizzaro: to write to oh sorry thought it was cheap
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will use the Hippo Slide Show for tutorial slides on Richmond Island
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy who else is using a tool for teaching and what tool
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I can embed jpgs with text or just pics to it
Katie Fenstalker: want to use the Damani Media viewer to show TED videos for student SL interest group.
Ping Exonar: hippo viewer is free at outpost.reactiongrid.com
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Ping!
Kali Pizzaro: Thanks that is good to know
Margaret Michalski: If you are not talking please keep your mc muted
Aphilo Aarde: I just added a new section "Second Life Tools" for free software at http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Educational_Software#Second_Life_Tools
Serena Guardian: I'm using SGE books to contain syllabi, links for reading, etc.
Aphilo Aarde: Please add free educational software, or let me know about it.
Morgen String: Yes, quite useful
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy is anyone using
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: sloodle
Katie Fenstalker: (we only have blackborg on my campus.)
Kali Pizzaro: cheers
Profdan Netizen: My understanding is that it's now available, haven't used it.
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: works with Moodle
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: SLOODLE should have a presentation module...I've not seen it yet
Chimera Cosmos: Clever Zebra presenter? anyone mentioned that?
Kali Pizzaro: resistance is futile Katie
Olivia Hotshot: A resource for those who want to tream video - Land Answers for Second Life | Twine http://bit.ly/oGxTx
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Sloodle does have a presentation viewer.
Kali Pizzaro: Fantastic Olivia - Iggy
Olivia Hotshot: It can be tricky.
Morgen String: Yes, I used Sloodle and it is useful
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- the other uses for these tools for this semester
Morgen String: Yes, but the presentation viewer has to be presented. It is not user-friendly for presenting powerpoints
Kali Pizzaro: please tell us for the transcript
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Sloodle has a tool that allows importing PowerPoint as a single L$10 graphic.
Morgen String: ah... not aware of it
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- great to hear about sloodle
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Never used Sloodle.
AgileBill Firehawk: yeah, you need media control
Morgen String: presenter also allows to view youtube videos
Olivia Hotshot: Low budget - low tech way to do it = create a prim and just drag on the the slides *textures* one at a time - downside - no pre-loading, It is important to get presentation tools that pre-load the slides.
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Just attended a presentation on Sloodle twice.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does the SLOODLE tool for ppt imports require that you control the media stream on the land?
AgileBill Firehawk: yes,
Aphilo Aarde: Does anyone know free software to stream video into Second Life, as vdeodia did for a trial period?
Aimee Pixelmaid: Preso-Matic Turbo preloads, but I don't think it streams
AgileBill Firehawk: I believe so
AgileBill Firehawk: (I use it)
Jennette Forager: BlackBoard now has a portal, that is correct.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i have seen that
Kali Pizzaro: iggy - sloode may be developing a plug in for Blackboard
Jennette Forager: I'll find the url
AgileBill Firehawk: Sloodle is cool, but I didn't find it easy to setup
Profdan Netizen: Did you all see the desk sharing app that AJ tweeted? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHO4AtVSwc
Olivia Hotshot: Blackboard has a portal to what?
Margaret Michalski: Where can you find that portal for Blackboard?
Profdan Netizen: Angel was doing some initial stuff to integrate, but since Blackborg assimilated,
Jennette Forager: They will be developing tie-ins to their tools
Profdan Netizen: not much going on.
Kali Pizzaro: i think it is a way to integrate bb
Kali Pizzaro: with sl
AgileBill Firehawk: lol!
Serena Guardian: blackborg?
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Serena Guardian: lol
Chimera Cosmos: borg LOL
Olivia Hotshot: Angel had an island - where students could directly teleport from the LMS (just a slurl) to get in.
Jennette Forager: http://idiarts.org/projects/25
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- the development in angel? has disappeared
Serena Guardian: How can we put pressure on BB to work with SL?
Jennette Forager: IDIA has produced a bridging toolset, linking the multi-user virtual environment of Second Life with Blackboard - providing a unified, secure and fluid hybrid learning experience. This project is funded by the Blackboard Greenhouse Grant for Virtual Worlds.
Chimera Cosmos once saw a debate between founder of WebCT and founder of Blackboard - on my campus :-)) Long ago...
Serena Guardian: because we're not getting rid of it any time soon
Profdan Netizen: They still do, that's where I'm doing my initial forays in using SL with students, Olivia.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- great question. get your own IT to sort out your own place
Profdan Netizen: We're required to use Angel.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- does not need to use bb
Ping Exonar: WebCT wrok with Moodle sloodle?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--I use wikis and have no Bb site
Kali Pizzaro: We use bb however we are encouraged to use sl too
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: IM me for Sloodle landmarks and notecards.
Margaret Michalski: External Edu is considering Moodle
Kali Pizzaro: if they can integrate it great
Olivia Hotshot: Ping, WebCT and Modle / Sloodle are two different companies,
Ida Galtier: Does anyone know how/if Sakai works with these tools?
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- is you are using bb. how would you use to different tools say 2d and 3d
Olivia Hotshot: Ida, i have not heard that Sakai integrates SL.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy0 How would you get that to work?
Serena Guardian: This is kind of basic but I link SLURLs in my BB site, and they can go straight there
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: exactly...you have students with two different environments...like my wiki and SL
Profdan Netizen: I'm initially using SL for real time chat. Would like to have students able to access the LMS from in world.
Olivia Hotshot: @Serena - that is how Angel did it essentially.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: embedded links in posters or objects might be a start
Spiral Theas: One student activity I have has a wiki and a SL component.
Kali Pizzaro: Sorry missed that last q Iggy
Spiral Theas: The students go to a wiki for some background...then in SL for the actual activity.
Spiral Theas: No presentation tools
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - would like to hear how spiral is doing this
Spiral Theas: Right!
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- so doing the same as me ok good
Serena Guardian: Have you guys heard about the LLMedia VNC plug-in?
Spiral Theas: Problems with advancing the slides - who has control.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- How have presentation tools failed
Serena Guardian: sluggish network
Margaret Michalski: I know there is a tool that allows you type a document and it appears simultaneously in SL. But I don't know the name of it.
Profdan Netizen: or probs with slides rezzing.
Aphilo Aarde: Bandwidth
Fred Brecher: engagement
Kali Pizzaro: rezzing
Spiral Theas: Some of the media tools (like the one I built - ugh) couldn't go backwards and didn't pre-load slides.
Kali Pizzaro: Quicktime was torture in sl for Iggy
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Margaret: What about Drupal?
Serena Guardian: there is always a gap between potential and performance
Chimera Cosmos: ideal is one that you can change settings
Chimera Cosmos: for owner control or community control
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- good point chimera
Olivia Hotshot: @Serena - that describes my life.
Chimera Cosmos: for presenters
Kali Pizzaro: haha Olivia great mind s
Kali Pizzaro: me too
Margaret Michalski: @ Zdenek, that could be it.
Olivia Hotshot: =D
Aimee Pixelmaid: @Olivia - me too! lol
Spiral Theas: Also the Lindens spent uploading Yes, ideal is that, you're right Chim.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - it was the uni fault
Spiral Theas: lides (as jpgs) and then having to import (and pay for) new ones when you make a correction.
Praxislady Witt: Bandwith issues on MACs
[Iggy's note: not at Richmond. Both Macs and PCs can lag, but it depends upon what's upstream from us. I noted however how a new PC, running Vista and with 4GB of ram, lagged badly on our wireless network. Using a wired connection helped this student]
Chimera Cosmos: Fleep's new tool using Etherboard does the simultaneous writing thing
Olivia Hotshot: @Chimera - i have one of her boards - i love it.
Chimera Cosmos: but you write on your own computers and it appears in SL on the board
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- macs seem to be better for SL
Aimee Pixelmaid: any URL for the Etherboard?
Spiral Theas: Sorry - typos there. Spending Lindens uploading jpgs - and then more lindens when you make corrections.
Jennette Forager: That can be a settings issue.
Olivia Hotshot: one sec, i have it
Jennette Forager: MACs have always done well in SL.
Chimera Cosmos: sells on XStreet and in Chilbo
Jennette Forager: ;-)
Chimera Cosmos: at Fleep's store
Aimee Pixelmaid: thanks
Chimera Cosmos: $10 lindens
Praxislady Witt: Yes, MAC is better form personal experience
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: correction: in our case, it was something upstream, not on campus, slowing things down
Jennette Forager: Bandwidth squeeze.
Kali Pizzaro: sorry
Kali Pizzaro: sir
ericcgcc Yootz: its not ram its the video card, macs come with a more expensive video card
Olivia Hotshot: Chilbo
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Ping Exonar: more expensive MAC is right
Aimee Pixelmaid: I'm jealous! :-)
Praxislady Witt: Yes, near the heartbeat if internet, haha
Chimera Cosmos: lower end macs (not towers) are not great with video cards for SL
Olivia Hotshot: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Chilbo/102/152/2 = Fleep's store is there.
Aimee Pixelmaid: @Olivia - Thanks
Jennette Forager: I bet it wasn't cooling properly
Olivia Hotshot: Welcome/
Profdan Netizen: Sounds to me like there was something wrong with it.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- there was a great video card in it
Olivia Hotshot: It will land you outside of the store.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: good discussion I must go thanks
Praxislady Witt: Dell has Alienware now, so should be better for SL?
Jennette Forager: Yes, their experience is client-dependant.
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, if you stream it in from your server you can control it.
Kali Pizzaro: if the students buy a expensive laptop then the students cannot see it that is not good
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- we can not assume that what works in our desktop will work for all
Spiral Theas: Good idea.
Kali Pizzaro: he is tempted to walk around campus and check it out
Eliasdehart Sixpence: gotta run - been doing virtual reference since the beginning
Eliasdehart Sixpence: will check the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: Byee
Eliasdehart Sixpence: cya all
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, that is good IF the conditions in SL are the same. If you try it during a glitchy period results will be different.
Jarrad Voom: Bte Elias
Kali Pizzaro: Thank to all that are taking off
Chimera Cosmos: you can provide backup for students with weaker connections - flat web view
Morgen String: :-)
Olivia Hotshot: NMC media player
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- the tool is only as good as the support. Which presentation tools have u
Chimera Cosmos: not likely to have every student set up to view video in SL at this point
Kali Pizzaro: iggy will finish off
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Next question to consider...which have good support in your opinion?
Serena Guardian: @athome has pretty good support; that's a store, though, not free.
Chimera Cosmos: unless you are at an elite school :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: *good support
Olivia Hotshot: Is it really important for students to watch the video inworld? Could they watch it in a video window on a split screen?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Chimera (I duck)
Jennette Forager: Hippo has excellent we documentation.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we prefer "selective" at Richmond
Chimera Cosmos: heh
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Chimera Cosmos ponders other adjectives...heheh
Zdenek Buchsbaum: @Olivia: Yap, thats natural way, i agree.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - even if you are at a school where the students have all the equipment you can still have problems
Fred Brecher: yep
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- you need time to support and to use SL
Chimera Cosmos: right--you have to be quite self-supporting to try the latest tech :-)
Serena Guardian: they don't want to install SL in my computer classroom --as soon as they hit a bug, they stop it
Chimera Cosmos: most places
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
Spiral Theas: very typical...
Morgen String: yes, very typical:-)
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- How much time do tech folk need to support presentation tools
Chimera Cosmos: Spiral and I did a workshop at my school - and we had to install SL ourselves on every computer, and they wiped it that night
Kali Pizzaro: and Sl
Jennette Forager: Ack! Chimera!
Profdan Netizen: That's why campuses with a large number of online courses tend to want a uniform LMS.
Chimera Cosmos: at least they let us do it!
Serena Guardian: OK
Fred Brecher: I have a staff of 5 instructional technologists who support several hundred faculty across everything from Blackboard to SL to video editing and beyond.
Kali Pizzaro: Yeha you can put it on a usb
Serena Guardian: they can't even install it temporarily by us
Aimee Pixelmaid: You can?
Katie Fenstalker: only pc?
Serena Guardian: really?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
Chimera Cosmos: unusual for computer labs to let faculty install
Spiral Theas: wow! you can?!
Chimera Cosmos: we did it for a special program, not a regular class
Aimee Pixelmaid: That could be a temporary answer for us. We are not admins on our machines.
Kali Pizzaro: i will try to find out
Spiral Theas: BIG thumbs...ha haa
Morgen String: sometimes, the problem is that th PCs available at school don't have the system requirements to install Second life
Jennette Forager: http://torley.com/home-computermy-new-setup-runs-second-life-really-nicely
Jennette Forager: Torley with a thumb drive
Chimera Cosmos: just like us, exactly
Aimee Pixelmaid: Thank you!
Fred Brecher: UR uses Deep Freeze
Jennette Forager: :D
Ida Galtier: Thanks, everyone. Got to run!
Spiral Theas: cool. thnx jennette.
Olivia Hotshot: Second Life on a Flash Drive - http://gaming.psu.edu/SLOnAFlashDrive
Fred Brecher: Many schools lock down their machines by setting people as "user" rather than "administrator". Hey Iggy.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- So how much time does it take to administer Sl presentation tools
Serena Guardian: yes Fred
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--as compared to other SL-specific duties
Profdan Netizen: And--how does it compare to pres. tools in classroom, or in LMS?
Olivia Hotshot: 41 people on sim - for the record
Aphilo Aarde: (Thanks - have to go now. Until next time ... ).
Jarrad Voom: bye aphilo
Kali Pizzaro:
https://mail.gcal.ac.uk/owa/redir.aspx?C=5783e19a2a4b4a389dd6158ddca445d4&URL=http%3a%2f%2fprojects.oscelot.org%2fgf%2fproject%2fbbslintegration%2fwiki%2f
Jennette Forager: Bye Aphilo.
Profdan Netizen: Similar to Olivia's idea of video in 2D.
Kali Pizzaro: bb link to sl
Katie Fenstalker: thinking of both inworld and off world synergy.
Kali Pizzaro: above
Cindy Bolero: I use Livestream to stream my viewer live to the web for several different things. Want me to demonstrate it now?
Cindy Bolero: one moment. need to set up
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- sure go ahead Cindy
Kali Pizzaro:
Jennette Forager: We need to be able to log into Office Outlook Web Access with that link Kali.
Chimera Cosmos: which way ae we looking? there are a ton of slides around us here LOL
Kali Pizzaro: oops sorry
Jennette Forager: Your firewall/network I suppose?
Jennette Forager pushes aside the notecards and screens to peer at the Viewer.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- next to the giant help sign click the tool on the right for hippo
Chimera Cosmos: by "HELP" hahaha
Jennette Forager grins.
Kali Pizzaro: back of table
Chimera Cosmos: and where will the screen sharing be?
Chimera Cosmos: on the Hippo Viewer?
Kali Pizzaro: http://projects.oscelot.org/gf/project/bbslintegration/wiki/
Chimera Cosmos: or where?
Olivia Hotshot: Is the board resizable?
Kali Pizzaro: that should e it now sorry
Serena Guardian: Iggy, are you familiar with the LLMedia VCN plug-in that people are playing around with to embed websites and applications and remote viewing?
Kali Pizzaro: Jeanette
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- no
Jennette Forager: trying it...
Spiral Theas: Serena,do you have more info?
Margaret Michalski: @ Igg- so, it is one user at a time?
Kali Pizzaro: ggy - yes you can re size the board
Jennette Forager: yes, tyvm!
Spiral Theas: Nicely done, Jennette.
Kali Pizzaro: He is doing it now if you look
Chimera Cosmos: you REALLY don't want one that the audience can control - they keep clicking on it to try to cam in and chaos results!
Mimi Muircastle: cool Iggy!
Serena Guardian: http://www.secondlifeupdate.com/machinimas/hd-video-creating-a-time-paradox-with-the-llmedia-vnc-plugin-in-second-life/
Olivia Hotshot: LLMedia VNC Plug-in : Remote desktop sharing for Second LIfe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRlM-DiZWgg
Kali Pizzaro: Haha
Chimera Cosmos: if you are presenting
Spiral Theas: Thanks, Serena.
Kali Pizzaro: not at Richmond surely
Ahlan Oh: how much do these things cost?
Chimera Cosmos: you need a tool with that function
Chimera Cosmos: built in
Chimera Cosmos: don't know if Hippo does or not
Ahlan Oh: cheap!!
Ahlan Oh: oh! i missed that link....
Profdan Netizen: IF it's the same version...
Zotarah Shepherd: The best SL teaching tools are those not possible f2f.
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- the hippo tool is 700- 800 lindens but a link in the transcript tells you how to get it free
Cindy Bolero: http://livestream.com/cindybolero
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- ask any questions please
Kali Pizzaro: about presentation tools that have not been answered
Chimera Cosmos: oh I see---Cindy means stream her SL to the web
Aimee Pixelmaid: here are links from early in the meeting:
Aimee Pixelmaid: [14:47] Ping Exonar: hippo viewer is free at outpost.reactiongrid.com
Cindy Bolero: working now Occupational Hazards Training,
Profdan Netizen: The desktop sharing app looks cool, wonder how stable it is?
Spiral Theas: It's loading for me, Cindy.
Chimera Cosmos: been wanting to know how to do this...thx Cindy
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy - cool Cindy
Chimera Cosmos: have seen this used more and more for live video but not for SL
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy- are the presentation tools a one user at a time?
Jennette Forager: This is how we do the Metanomics Community Forum.
Spiral Theas: Very cool, Cindy!
Spiral Theas: Cindy!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm getting through Cindy's commercial now :)
Serena Guardian: oh that's SO cool Cindy
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent demo Cindy.
Serena Guardian: Wow
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YES WOW
Spiral Theas: Can you tell us how you set that up?
[Cindy was able to capture our meeting live and stream it to her Livestream page]
Jennette Forager: And we use it for business meetings all the time, so that if part of the group wants to watch from the web without being in SL, they can.
Spiral Theas: Nice.
Cindy Bolero: I use this mostly for mentoring someone in SL for building and terraforming
Chimera Cosmos: flipping back and forth?
[I crashed at this point. Thank you to Margaret and Kali for the back-up transcripts! IÕve tipped in their additions]
Kali Pizzaro: they can see your editing
Chimera Cosmos: have you had them be on their SL while you stream your SL?
Olivia Hotshot: Great way to do remote desktop.
Chimera Cosmos: fliping back and forth?
Jennette Forager: Wb Iggy.
Katie Fenstalker: and the commercials?
Kali Pizzaro: Cindy- you can get folk to come in to Sl
Olivia Hotshot: wb Iggy.
Kali Pizzaro: come
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Cindy : great - really nice
Spiral Theas: Cindy, can you tell us how you set it up?
Olivia Hotshot: I got a bunch, Iggy.
hobbs Constantine: yay Cindy
Kali Pizzaro: Cindy- presented this at a sl tool
Jennette Forager: You can add a chatbridge element to it as well..
Jennette Forager: so that you have live chat.
Kali Pizzaro: looks great
Jennette Forager: Thanks Cindy.
Jarrad Voom: me too
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- any other questions
Chimera Cosmos: of course, this is not chatbridge
Spiral Theas: Yes,any links you can give us, Cindy, on how you set this up?
Chimera Cosmos: right?
Katie Fenstalker: so the site will tell us how to get access to tit?
Chimera Cosmos: the chat is not shared between SL and the Livestream
Katie Fenstalker: ?
Mimi Muircastle: yes, cindy, I am interested in links too thanks
Profdan Netizen: So has anyone here done desktop sharing the other direction--into SL?
Cindy Bolero: go to livestream.com and set up an account! its free!
Margaret Michalski: Does anyone have one favorite tool?
Spiral Theas: Thanks, Cindy.
Morgen String: metapresenter
Olivia Hotshot: Live Stream Platform Overview: http://www.livestream.com/platform/livetvbroadcasts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Margaret--I still like the poster with an HTML link script...homemade
Morgen String: metahud
Serena Guardian: that apparently can be done with the LLMedia plug-in if used in an device
Serena Guardian: I saw it on You Tube today
Olivia Hotshot: <-- i sin love with Etherpad
Olivia Hotshot: is in*
AgileBill Firehawk: Etherpad is cool, including on a Prim
Zotarah Shepherd: SL is more valuable when #D tools are used thant when 2D tools are used to teach.
Olivia Hotshot: Agile, exactly.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: By the way..next week's topic will be: What makes a good "education" build? Special Guest: GeoFrank Taurog (NASA): Olivia will be our moderator!
Profdan Netizen: what about live web pages in SL. Is that yet possible?
Jennette Forager: Almost Profdan
Kali Pizzaro: Go olivia
AgileBill Firehawk: cool topic!
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- this should be a great meeting
Mimi Muircastle: yay for Olivia :)
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- any lat questions in the last few mins
Margaret Michalski: very useful info
Olivia Hotshot: thanks Mimi. Thanks Kali.
Profdan Netizen: That's really what I need, Jennette, live web in world--esp. if students could manipulate in world.
Chimera Cosmos: Coughran Mayo recently recommended Zebra Presenter to Mariis Mills for her distance class in SL - she looked at a lot of possibilities and chose that
Olivia Hotshot: HTML on a prim is getting ready for prime time: Thoughts on Second Life http://bit.ly/1ATKjt
Morgen String: yes, Profdan, it would be great
Jennette Forager: The SLCC announcements were all about that.
Chimera Cosmos: and they are both very experienced
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy- has anyone seen a computer you can manipulate in sl?? Is that what you said Iggy
Jennette Forager: That's a great blog Olivia.
Cindy Bolero: I worked with GeoFrank last month in Seattle with this: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/nai/articles/abgradcon-2009-a-glimpse-into-mixed- reality-meetings-of-the-future/
Jennette Forager: I just read blogs myself.
Serena Guardian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHO4AtVSwc
Chimera Cosmos: ?
Chimera Cosmos: it was in SL, not at SLCC, If I'm following
Kali Pizzaro: sure
Olivia Hotshot: would like to know how they did this on the computer in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtHO4AtVSwc
Serena Guardian: http://www.rezmagazine.co.uk/2009/08/trescothick-aims-to-please.html
Serena Guardian: that's the interview with the woman who made the video with the computer that runs SL in world
Jennette Forager: http://www.metanomics.net/blog/second_life_2.0_implications_for_enterprise/
Jennette Forager: This is Dusan Writere setting the tone for the Metanomics Community Forum the week after SLCC
Jennette Forager: Several links to the videos both demos and live accounts.
Jennette Forager: *demos
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: There darn it!
Jennette Forager: Congrats Iggy!
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you for hosting Iggy.
Aimee Pixelmaid: lol
Katie Fenstalker: thanks!
Hattie Haystack: Thanks Iggy
Kali Pizzaro: Iggy you are a star
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Iggy!
Aimee Pixelmaid: i keep trying to Alt Click on web pages :-)
AgileBill Firehawk: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
AgileBill Firehawk: wildly
Spiral Theas: Thank, Iggy.
Jennette Forager: Thanks to all!
Olivia Hotshot: Lots of excellent resources.
Margaret Michalski: You Rock!
Aimee Pixelmaid: This the 3rd time I've been able to make one of these meetings. Each time I leave super-motivated and my brain almost exploding with great ideas! :-)
Aimee Pixelmaid: Thanks!
Morgen String: Thanks and congratulations! Great meeting!
Emma Altstatter: thank YOU
Serena Guardian: thanks very useful
Mimi Muircastle: This was a great meeting - thanks all :) esp. Iggy!
Katie Fenstalker: always wonderful Iggy.
Aimee Pixelmaid: Great job, Iggy
Olivia Hotshot claps for Iggy.
Praxislady Witt claps for a really informative session!
AgileBill Firehawk: I need a bigger helmet, my brain is stuffed w/ new info
Mackmarn Parx: thanks very much!
Kali Pizzaro: fantastic links again
Jennette Forager: You can resize it Bill!
AgileBill Firehawk: lol! good point
Jennette Forager: that's the beauty of SL!
Kali Pizzaro: just need to read them now!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Iggy
Jennette Forager: Take care everyone!
AgileBill Firehawk: good to see you all!!
Jarrad Voom: Thanks Iggy
Morgen String: Bye!
Eleonora Porta: thanks for meeting Iggy
Jarrad Voom: great meeting
Kali Pizzaro: bed time for me take care all
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye everyone
Morgen String: See you next week!
Arabella Robonaught: Thank you!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: See you all very soon!
Cindy Bolero: Nice meeting everyone
Joy Rembrandt: Thanks Iggy
Mimi Muircastle: bye joy
Margaret Michalski: Bye all!
Olivia Hotshot: See you all next week.
Olivia Hotshot: Bye! And yes, thanks kali!
Olivia Hotshot: bye!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: special thanks to Kali for transcribing!
Jennette Forager: Kali! You transcribe and post links!
Jennette Forager: You are awesome!
Kali Pizzaro: thanks
Jennette Forager laffs.
Jennette Forager: It was terrific Iggy.
Kali Pizzaro: do you want my transcript?
Kali Pizzaro: also
Kali Pizzaro: ok yep
Kali Pizzaro: will do
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, Iggy, Kali. bye, all.
Margaret Michalski: See ya all later
Profdan Netizen: Yeah, they're a handful!