Transcript of August 11, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion
Topic: "Why have more than one avatar in Second Life?" (Iggy O guest-hosts for AJ Brooks)
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A few announcements before we begin
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our meeting today is on "Why have more than one avatar in Second Life?"
Mimi Muircastle: can you rez me a chair :)
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Alan Sandalwood: Hi all
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
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Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd also like to remind folks to come on down and join us around the table, there's always an open seat closest to the ramp.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
Bill Friis: Howdy, Alan.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Don't be shy--let's dive in and introduce ourselves
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK. I'm Head of the Academic Quality and Standards Team
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel.Cal State Chico. techie and educator
Katie Fenstalker: Katie King, University of Maryland, College Park, women's studies and new media.
Thunder Insippo: I'm a computer resource specialist in an elementary school in Virginia
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology
Mimi Muircastle: Hi all , Mimi Muircastle here - part of the Case Study working group and we are working hard!
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, New York
Emilia Cornwall: Tech Mgr for the Senior Project Center on Eduisland 2
enzo Tungsten: Bill Stewart, Houston, Computer Literacy USA
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher, to launch in Spring 2010.
JeanClaude Vollmar: Hello everyone. I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL. I'm from the University of Northwestern Ohio and am their VP for IT.
Teri Boxen: teri lind, San Jose
Bill Friis: Bill Freese, Montana State University Instructional Media Lab
CorDeRosa Loire: Laura, PhD student from Italy
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Cathy Anderson Academic Coordinator for the EUC of South Daklota Board of Regents (online)
Ahlan Oh: Alan Epstein, Robotics Team Advisor, Watertown Public Schools, MA, USA, Earth
Grey Breil: Grey Burkart from Seattle, emergency management and business continuity, and curriculum design
Rini Hathaway: I'm the alt of MLani Montgomery, Oregon
Kali Pizzaro: Nurse lecturer Glasgow
lizit Cleanslate: Hiya - Liz ThacKray from Open University, UK
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research information specialist , University of Illinois at Chicao.
Angelia Halsey: Linda Gilmore, DeKalbTechnical College, Georgia, Psychology
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood. Education and teaching. Program manager for a blended learning project and bringing IT into the classroom
Chimera Cosmos: Liz Dorland Washington U in St. Louis - chemical education, visualization, professional development (in SL in particular)
Lu Swansong: Luann Swanberg Ventura College SLProject Coordinator
mystery Arida: Barbara Thomas. Vancouver Island University Canada..I teach internet marketing and management
Deb Quintessa: Debbie Newman, Working Relationships (Los Angeles)
Panacea Luminos: Christina Galqanis, Exec Director, Southen Tiern HealthLink, New York
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: anyone else?
mementia Cybertar: I´m from Colombia , Graphic Designer - Drama Director, I´m working as Teacher
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as AJ says....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: going once,
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: going twice,
Pietro Eberhardt: Pietro Eberhardt Technical liason Miller Design Groupt
KarenKate Sands: Karen Evans, grad student, Howard Community College and UMUC in Maryland. I'm a full-time instructional technologist at HowardCC
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: going three times to the large spider beside the table!
Oronoque Westland: heehee
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as I noted our topic today is on why we use ALTs, with a focus on how they work in education
Oronoque Westland wishes she could make a spider noise
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we often use them for privacy or socializing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let's start with a question to the group
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a show of hands--how many of you have an ALT for educational purposes? yes or no...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YES
Grey Breil: yes
Marc Rexen: yes
Olivia Hotshot: No
Mimi Muircastle: yes
mementia Cybertar: yes
CorDeRosa Loire: no
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Joy Rembrandt: no
mystery Arida: yes
lizit Cleanslate: yes
enzo Tungsten: no
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes
Alan Sandalwood: No
Ahlan Oh: yes
Bill Friis: yes
Geoff Lumley: yes
Astraya Oakleaf: no
whiteslate India: no
Alan Sandalwood: Not yet
Grinn Pidgeon: yes
Thunder Insippo: yes
Rini Hathaway: Yes
Katie Fenstalker: not yet.
Margaret Michalski: yes
Lu Swansong: yes
Oronoque Westland: plenty
Kali Pizzaro: yes my alt is a patient how sad
Angelia Halsey: yesyes
KarenKate Sands: no
Deb Quintessa: yep
whiteslate India: *not yet
Olivia Hotshot: I had one but i left her at the Princeon library and never looked back.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Olivia
Rini Hathaway: laughs
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Olivia haha
Deb Quintessa: only 7 days old!!!
Olivia Hotshot: true story.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: a baby! @Deb
Pietro Eberhardt: yes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have one that wanders Caledon
Grey Breil: digital abandonment, tsk :-P
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It would be interesting to hear from you who said "yes" about how you used ALTs for projects.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: At Richmond, I've most recently used ALTs to test group permissions on a large build. We discovered quickly how "let anyone move" could be a griefer's paradise. We've decided that for our next large build, we'll employ a team of ALTs who can all edit each other's work, which will be likewise shared with our campus builder's group. This may get around the snags of builds with multiple permissions.
Ahlan Oh: (Can't we find a seat for Oronoque??)
Rini Hathaway: Isn't digital abandoment a TOS violation?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what about others here? How have you used your ALTs?
Margaret Michalski: Recently, I have begun to use it as backup of inventory
Bill Friis: Yup. Permission testing is a main use for my alt.
Thunder Insippo: My alt doesn't have the list of friends that Thunder has so she can do research and explore sims I might want to tour with VSTE without interruption
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I set up one for hte Merlot conference to do the second life tours ---Cathywyo1 cant she gets too many im's and is in too many groups I considered putting her as busy but decided against it
Margaret Michalski: In addition to joining groups
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins at Thunder--I hear you there!
Rini Hathaway: This one here is about to go to the teen grid for a project this fall with high schoolers. Anything you can pass along to me, please pile it on.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 25 group limit is a pain
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I set up Dakotasouth Seda as a representative for the South Dakota Board of Regents
mementia Cybertar: I had to create another Avatar in order to attend a non-profit org.
Kali Pizzaro: i started with a alt to socialize now i have turned it into a simulated patient to teach patient history taking
Alan Sandalwood: Mine is for creative work. This avatar is to businessy
Ahlan Oh: I use alt's in order to test new user sign on procedures, which change from time to time. This helps me write simple tutorials to help new users navigate an otherswise strange set of procedures, and customize them for our setting.
Thunder Insippo: I also have loaned her out to teachers in my training sessions when they could not get registered
Angelia Halsey: i use my personal alt to buy things
Alan Sandalwood: This alt not this avatar
Grey Breil: I use one for testing areas, and for a brief loaner.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I also have another alt whose name is in my profile I am getting in many gruops and I don't wnat to drop any of them
Zotarah Shepherd: I mostly use mine to join groups I don't have room for
CathyWyo1 Haystack: my group a lt is Kaylnne Silvercloud
Rini Hathaway: I use one to test tools that allow the teacher to interact with the students' avatars.
Olivia Hotshot: Having an avatar with a very low avatar rendering cost is a good idea for building and such, might be good for an alt.
Angelia Halsey: i am trying to create other alts for role playing famous people
Katie Fenstalker: I was thinking of using them for folks who just want on now and then. Is that a good idea??
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have been moving groups that I can to her
CathyWyo1 Haystack: she wanders Caledon
Mimi Muircastle: I used mine to review the newbie orientation sites because my main avie is older than she looks:)
Bill Friis: Yes, also use mine to loan to new users with not time to create an account.
Oronoque Westland: @Ahlan...thank you but for some reason I sit upside down
mystery Arida: Similar to Alan...this is my work av..my alt is for personal/social activities
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, I decided builds are better to backup than joining groups.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Bill that is a good idea
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so I'm hearing inventory backup, adding groups, exploring w/o interruption, project testing as a new user
Grey Breil: Since pretty much everything is 'on the record' .... you may have to consider what you don't want directly associated with your professional persona
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I gave Dakotasouth an androgynous name for the bor
Chimera Cosmos: all of those
Kali Pizzaro: Indeed Grey
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Grey--true. But I'm thinking here of educational uses for alts
Deb Quintessa: I talk to my alt when nobody wants to have anything to do with me!!! lol
Ahlan Oh: @Oronoque: hmmmm, I bet that could be corrected with some simple surgery and some drugs.... :-)
Margaret Michalski: Ah, I am also using 1 alt as an avatar-bot
Grey Breil: An alt is great for exploring transhumanist, extropian, etc etc etc.
Mimi Muircastle: @deb good idea :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Deb..my alt disses ME
Rini Hathaway: I have an alt to experiment with learning roleplay. her outfits are so complex, getting in and out of them takes ages, so I just leave her there and use the teacher for teaching.
Bill Friis: Oh, Deb. That is a slippery slope.
Pietro Eberhardt: Me too, Deb!!
Pietro Eberhardt: LOL
Ahlan Oh: I also use alts when I want to test some code I've written that involves more than 1 avie
Oronoque Westland: I use one alt for testing, and one for roleplaying (and a little partying heehee)...this one is Anancy the storyteller who journeyed to the Western Hemisphere aboard the trans-Atlantic slave ships
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: On the Usher build, we decided that a builder team would have saved us many many hours
Grey Breil: @Ahlan: absolutely!
Thunder Insippo: It's good to have a non-group member alt to test land settings.
Bill Friis: That partying alt is not a professional use.
Geoff Lumley: I use my alt as a means to keep institutional and personal financial transactions separate
Kali Pizzaro: we have a alt who is the guide for the uni
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is true sometimes I do bring my alt out for testing things
Grey Breil: @Kali: do multiple people control that Alt?
Kali Pizzaro: several people use him yes
Grey Breil: great way to present a consistent 'face' I like it
Thunder Insippo: Sometimes I use my alt to record video
Ahlan Oh: And finally, I have an alt I use when I expect someone is trying to poison me, and use it as a test-taster.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd like to hear a bit more about ALTs for RP, as Oronoque was saying....we are going to try this. O, are you the only person who uses this ALT?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and sometimes I use my alt for exploring when I want some quiet time
Katie Fenstalker: more about multiple people controlling one alt????
CathyWyo1 Haystack: just wnat to focus on what I am doing or looking at then I don't have some many im's
Rini Hathaway: I use one to get away from student IMs.
Thunder Insippo: She also holds excess Lindens for me so I'm not tempted to buy more shoes!
Chimera Cosmos: I thought you couldn't run two avatars on one Mac, but then I realized you can create another user account and use fast user switching.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, it's a TOS violation, so maybe we shouldn't answer...but it's a great way around permissions issues on a build
Thunder Insippo: fast user switching?
Margaret Michalski: At the present moment I am the only one using the alt. With exception of the avatar-bot. That one is temporarily given to a hired consultant
Angelia Halsey: fast user switching?
Ahlan Oh: or run one from the Mac and the other from a Linux box.
Chimera Cosmos: between user accounts on your Mac
Margaret Michalski: then I take over again.
Ahlan Oh: just saying
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: You can run two different clients on a Mac at once
Grey Breil: Using a virtual machine is another way to go
Olivia Hotshot: Having a group avatar/alt can be good when it comes to building. The av is the mule and everyone has access to the main building inventory and land permissions.
Oronoque Westland: @Iggy...I bought this ALT so I imagine there are others out there...but I call it Anancy so in that aspect I may be unique
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes you can open two viewers
Chimera Cosmos: uh...I'm talking about if you have only one computer!
Chimera Cosmos: LOL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: on the same pc
Oronoque Westland will keep her distance from Ahlan
Kali Pizzaro: Oh Katie sorry i don't have access. however, i do share a bot alt with the tech so we can both show the project we are working on. I also need to call up the bot for class
Bill Friis: Using two machines side by side in a lab works, too.
Rini Hathaway: I can have two viewers running at once on the same PC.
Grey Breil: Virtualbox running a very light linux distribution, with SL on super-low = little lost.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I always have to look it up
CathyWyo1 Haystack: to see how to do it
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but it's easy to do
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Oronoque, how have others reacted to this simulation? Do you have other NPC alts part of it?
Ahlan Oh: @Oronoque--That's probably smart!
Chimera Cosmos: you can run two clients side by side on PC, but not on Mac
Kali Pizzaro: our tech has two macs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chimera, you can on a Mac but you have to know Applescript to do that.
Bill Friis: It is possible on a Mac, but not as easy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Torley Linden ran a how-to
Chimera Cosmos: fast user switching is easy
Kali Pizzaro: i have one pc so can i run two at the same time Chimera
Chimera Cosmos: and I have my own account that way! to heck with that human!
lizit Cleanslate: would be good if somebody could produce a notecard on how to run more than one application on a Mac
Kali Pizzaro: or a pc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm wondering--group question...aside from the social freedom, is there educational freedom with an ALT, if your main avatar "belongs" to your school?
Chimera Cosmos: on PC you just start it up don't you?
Zotarah Shepherd: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2008/01/10/tip-of-the-week-17-how-to-run-multiple-viewers-at-the-same-time
Ignatius Onomatopoeia hugs Zotarah--that is the URL I was hunting. Thank you.
Rini Hathaway: We got into the ownership of av issue recently
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, yes, If you have multiple areas of inteest you can use alts for each area.
Marc Rexen: Educational mains can't really learn this place appropriately.
Oronoque Westland: @Iggy...sorry I am falling behind on the chat...I use all of my ALTs myself
Chimera Cosmos: if you know how to create an account for another person on Mac, then you can run SL in both accounts at once and just switch between them with the upper right menu
Grey Breil: @Iggy: Absolutely. Again, back to the issue that if you regard whatever is done on the net as "on-the-record"
Zotarah Shepherd: You're welcome. I have it bookmarked. lol hugs
Oronoque Westland: @Bill...partying educates the educator
Oronoque Westland: did someone say shoes?
Kali Pizzaro: interestingly no one at the uni knows my alt name yet
Katie Fenstalker: totally agree Oronoque
Bill Friis: True, Oronoque, true.
Marc Rexen: This is a fascinating discussion, because a year ago, when I asked it, the prevalent response was "why have an alt?"
Rini Hathaway: Learning to role play is an education--the kids are natives in those environments. I'm still a tourist.
Thunder Insippo: ㋡
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It gets into a gray area. Let's say I want to see what is in Zindra, but this avi is too associated with my school. Even though I own the account, not Richmond, I hesitate.
Zotarah Shepherd: Primmy AVs lag a sim anyway and we are at 44 people so can we increase the limit so we don't crash?
Marc Rexen: Exactly Iggy...and the place is booming.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Zo--don't think I can..AJ has that power
Margaret Michalski: Example I use alt for health promoton and main account for medical education
Katie Fenstalker: but then does that mind a "secret" alt? how does that feel?
Angelia Halsey: I find that as I explore things with personal alt I come up with ideas for professional alt
Zotarah Shepherd: Ok Iggy. *crosses fingers*
Oronoque Westland: I went to a number of Gorean SIMs to shop for a build I want to do on enslavement...if I had it to do over I would have used an ALT
Joy Rembrandt: from 2 different accounts?! so you can control multiple avatars at the same scene - bit too schizophrenic for me! Please enlighten me, friends.
Bill Friis: Right, Angelia.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: call Israel, quick!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Marc Rexen: Ethical uses of Alts is an area of discussion.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc--exactly.
Grey Breil: It doesn't look like anyone here is using their alt as a 'sock puppet,' which is really the biggest conflict from a functional point of view. Anything beyond that seems to be a matter of keeping professionalism separate from... other things.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: my problem is my alt's name if I just wnat to go even to a live music event...people are always ar eyou from Wyoming????
CathyWyo1 Haystack: ummm gulp yes
Oronoque Westland: @Marc...why is there an ethical question about the use of ALTs that differs from an ethical question about the use of AVs?
Katie Fenstalker: can we consider what's different about alts and avs?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I don't have much anonymity with this alt it would be one thing if Wyoming was a larger state but it's not ..and people all know eachother
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Do we have this assumption that alts are only for "adult" activity? I think there's a lot more to their use.
Bill Friis: Because our ALTs are less associated with "us" and free to be evil?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Bill
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I use my alts for many different things
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I like that
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe Bill
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the conference
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and board of regents
Marc Rexen: You're using an Alt to extract information, or redirect behaviour, or whatever, toward the main, using the seeming innocence of the alt.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and groups
Marc Rexen: It's what I consider a form of lying.
Kali Pizzaro: Just wondering folks. do you ask students to create a alt for non uni activities. This is something i am thinking of doing.
Marc Rexen: It is also the root of so much stalking.
Thunder Insippo: My alt is Lightning Insippo. All my friends know her but understand she doesn't want a lot of friends and why.
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy, agree
Grey Breil: I think there is more of an assumption that any AV associated with an institution is participating in SL on 'company time' so to speak; an alt can function beyond that assumption.
Marc Rexen: Understanding it, helps draw the line clearer.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: It's wise for my bor alt to not have a lot of contacts
Katie Fenstalker: functional alts to distribute activities are different than secret or alternative alts for different levels of publicness....
Deb Quintessa: I plan to use mine as an actor in machinima (when I figure out how to do it) and for training role play
CathyWyo1 Haystack: If I leave the board of regents someone else may use that alt
mystery Arida: @kali..that is a really good question
CathyWyo1 Haystack: someone else may use htat alt
CathyWyo1 Haystack: for work related stuff associated with the board
Marc Rexen: Yes, associate with a College and they expect College behavior, certainly from staff.
Chimera Cosmos: I only use my alts for work. Sometimes an alt goes to a meeting at the same time I do if I'm over-booked.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: FYI Zo--looks like the limit for avis here is 90..keep those fingers crossed
Margaret Michalski: the popular thing seems to be to use alts for social acitivities bu I keep everything to the edu level.
Chimera Cosmos: But part of our work is to become part of the larger community, I think.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but I also like to have an alt --Cathywyo1 that attends to my personal goals in second life
Angelia Halsey: having separate alts keeps me focused on my task when in the professional alt
Bill Friis: I have done the two meetings at once thing.
Katie Fenstalker: so far I am everything I do and every level of public identity.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I plan to make Margaret dance with me at the upcoming Roundtable that will have a social afterwards!
Marc Rexen: It is Chimera, especially Librarians, the "books" in this place are the social circles.
Thunder Insippo: I need to excuse myself to work on something. It was nice being a part of the discussion. ㋡
Oronoque Westland: all of my ALTS are just that, MY ALTs...they serve different educational functions...some are ALTs in the same account as Oronoque, some in different accounts
Margaret Michalski: lol
Olivia Hotshot: I treat my av like i treat myself in rl - i own all my own behavior - Olivia owns all of heres - i don't like the idea of having an alt to shrug off the behavior i would not want to own. To use the alt for work or tech purposes is logical to me, but not for alternate alt activities.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Thunder
Kali Pizzaro: tc Thunder
Marc Rexen: But you don't want to show up in the local newspaper with cuffs on.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'll have the transcript next week or late this week.
Chimera Cosmos: I don't see going to music or other events with socializing as unprofessional
Ahlan Oh: a few of my colleagues ended up that way, in rl....
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I think if a person wants an alt who provides a certain level of anonymity in second life that is their business and I am ok with that
Chimera Cosmos: anything the RL avi does, the SL one can do
CathyWyo1 Haystack: not my place to judge
CathyWyo1 Haystack: we all need personal time
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wonder if any of my students made ALTs
Bill Friis: Right, CathyW.
Olivia Hotshot: Seeing music is unprofessional?
Margaret Michalski: @ Olivia, you are right on that one!
Marc Rexen: Correct, but when you engage with communities other than your core educational one, you talk.
Katie Fenstalker: should we teach students to make alts?
Olivia Hotshot: @Margaret - ty darling.
Marc Rexen: And talk can be twisted and posted on blogs, etc..
Zotarah Shepherd: The more prims we wear and the more transparencies and scripts, the more lag we get. Good to check your Rendering number in the Advanced menu. Also good to tell students if they are in a place with many avatars
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie, becaue my students switch race and gender..maybe
Kali Pizzaro: That is my question do you make students have an alt for socialising
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right now I have them use gender-neutral names
Marc Rexen: The result can be damaging for the reputation of the College, and even yourself.
Margaret Michalski: @ Katie, at the beining evel I would rather not
CathyWyo1 Haystack: for me in many ways it's a level of protection I don't think everyone at a live music event needs to immediately know where I am from
Olivia Hotshot: @Zotarah - i am with you on the avatar rendering - something people should check before attending a meeting too.
Chimera Cosmos: I tell students that they should make an alt if they want to do things they would not want their professors to know about
Marc Rexen: Once people understand this place, it'll be like every other, and the slanders will be ignorable.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and since cathywyo1 is an email address I have used on the web it is easy enough to track me down
Chimera Cosmos: to behave like they would in RL
Chimera Cosmos: with good judgment
Marc Rexen: However, SL is not known, or understood, and misconceptions can rule.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: dumb I know to have started that way but it is what it is and now I am stuck with it
lizit Cleanslate: because of my choice of main av, there are places I can't comfortably go in SL and where I need a human av if I want to be there
Margaret Michalski: Learning the basics of SL is hard enough with 1 av. So, why add trouble at the beginning.
Marc Rexen: So best to be circumspect until the public catches up...:)
Olivia Hotshot: I would rather teach students to be accountable for their actions, be it in sl or rl, and not to create another personna to be the one who has all the "faults"
Zotarah Shepherd: Advanced menu >Rendering > Info Displays > Avatar Renderting Cost, lets you see yours and everyone elses.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Olivia and teach them to pick a good first name!!
Olivia Hotshot: Cathy - gender neutral too.
Zotarah Shepherd: Having a new Alt helps you to relearn basics too
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Apologies for being late. Would someone here be willing to help me set up an Alt via IM?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes it's important
Deb Quintessa: I also use my new alt to figure out how to onboard new learners to my sl courses ... I've forgotten what is available to a newb
Chimera Cosmos: all you need is another email address -- set up an alt like you set up yourself :-)
Oronoque Westland costs very little to render
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Lo, I bet you'll get 10 IMs on that!
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: I hope so!
Marc Rexen: A full-service personna Olivia...do you show up at work in a negligee talking about where you were last night? Or is home home, and work work?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Olivia no more email addies haha
CathyWyo1 Haystack: If I had it to do all over again
Marc Rexen: Sorry, touch crude there.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: OMG Zo--I'm a prim-hog at 1467
Olivia Hotshot: Marc, in rl i do not show up in a negligee for meetings, why would i do that in sl?
Ahlan Oh: Maybe someday we ought to have a hair down talk about what we "really" do with our secret alts....
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I would have Cathy as a work alt to work the homestead I own in second life
Bill Friis: Does anyone here pay for an alt on a paid account as per Linden policy?
Marc Rexen: But if the VW is as good a RL?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @ Bill, I do
Rini Hathaway: Yes, two
CathyWyo1 Haystack: no groups no activities just owning the land and terraforming and managing the money
Spud Ruska: Yes - got a new alt today
Deb Quintessa: sorry y'all ... gotta dash!!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the other alt Kalynne would be the professional alt doing meetings like this
Bill Friis: Adios, Deb.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: with the groups and what not
Zotarah Shepherd: I started this AV at Orientation Island. Other Alts had different landing places so I could know what experiences new teachers in my Basic classes saw.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and contacts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we just set up two more for the Usher Project--NPC actors for Roderick and Madeline
Zotarah Shepherd: I would use bots for NPCs.
mementia Cybertar: Nice to meet all of you, I have to go.
mementia Cybertar: Mi Alt is imagineria Monitor ..
KarenKate Sands: what's a NPC?
Bill Friis: Adios, mementia.
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Mementia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Non-player character, KarenKate
Alan Sandalwood: bye
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a gaming term
KarenKate Sands: oh ty
Zotarah Shepherd: Non-player character
Grey Breil: Unfortunately, I'll get taking my leave as well; my comp is about to shut down for overheating (gah!).
Chimera Cosmos: same here Zotarah--most of my alts came into being when I needed to check out a new way into SL
Kali Pizzaro: i think the students might like an alt to socialise. just as they don't ant me on their facebook i am sure they do not want me in their social sl.
Bill Friis: Thought I smelled smoke.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: has anyone gotten in trouble with Linden Labs for sharing an avatar?
mementia Cybertar: thanks for your invitation.
Ahlan Oh: so long mementia
Marc Rexen: That is the sort of ethical question I was talking about Kali.
Marc Rexen: Teacher as main, socialized as Alt, but the same social group.
KarenKate Sands: oh is sharing av's a violation of the TOS???
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my pleasure, mementia
Chimera Cosmos: Agree Kali--and perfectly reasonable--their business
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It is...but if a prim falls on the sim and no one hears it...
Ahlan Oh: does it get hurt?
Bill Friis: My assumption is that if you share an av, the main point is YOU are responsible for what that av does.
Spud Ruska: that's what i thought bill
whiteslate India: collective responsibility, then?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for builders, it's a godsend if we can share
Katie Fenstalker: sharing an av or an alt? I'm confused.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the LL permissions system is a mess
Joy Rembrandt: has anyone with alts ever have someone tell you something in confidence in SL?
KarenKate Sands: well sometimes it is impossible for anyone on a campus to create another new account... shared av's seem to be what everyone is using for training
Bill Friis: I never give out the alt's password. Control is all mine.
Ahlan Oh: sure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie--you create an ALT for acting in a simulation or as a builder--several humans share it
mementia Cybertar: if anybody is interested in join to our group, look for us: IMAGINERIA
Margaret Michalski: the entire no transfer could be a big pin sometimes.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: alts / avatars the same
Margaret Michalski: pain
CathyWyo1 Haystack: an alt is an avatar that you set up after your initial one
lizit Cleanslate: There are times when it is useful to have a spare av or two - for instance demoing SL - but strictly speaking you should make everybody register. Not always practical though.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or an alternate avatar
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it can be a pain
Bill Friis: Right. The logistics are what force the alt use.
Chimera Cosmos: When we had a group of newbies, we started the SL clients and put in the username/passwords before the students arrived
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I sometimes use my public alt when this one has trouble rezzing--one update made me a cloud all the time
Katie Fenstalker: I thought avs were just other "outfits" and alts were other accounts.
Kali Pizzaro: need to share bot as i need to be able to call it up for class and the tech needs access to script
Bill Friis: I always encourage folks to set up there own accounts if possible.
Chimera Cosmos: they only use the newbie alt one time, to get into SL and see what it's like
CathyWyo1 Haystack: i am not sure I would even do it ---but it is surprising how fast you can fill up 25 groups as an educator
Zotarah Shepherd: It takes time to get on LL list of places where you can register more alts, but if you have a school you should do that.
Chimera Cosmos: I have more than one alt with 25 LOL
whiteslate India: Katie - you're right on the definition, but we use the term interchangeably
Bill Friis: Katie, I think you are right technically.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and now I am involved in the Caledon community
CathyWyo1 Haystack: so there are two three groups there if you join the library
Bill Friis: But alt and av get tossed around together.
Oronoque Westland: @Katie...yes I think we need to clarify when we are talking about using a different AV (like me) and when we are using a different account
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in my book the terms are one and the same
Ahlan Oh: the 25 group limit is .... well limiting!
Joy Rembrandt: what is the Caledon community?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: RP like Caledon crosses the social/education line...it's interactive literature and I have my students explore well made sims like Caledon's
Kali Pizzaro: no one else gets to use Kali- she is all mine, mine,mine!!
Geoff Lumley: We work the same Chimera - have 10 'corporate' avatars used to introduce people to SL. If they like what they see they have to create their own account
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Caldeon is "steampunk" (think Jules Verne)
KarenKate Sands: Zotarah... will you say more about that list at LL pls? My college has used up it's household accounts and no one can create one at our campus anymore...
Olivia Hotshot: Here is an alt idea - constructive one - make 2 avatars with remarkably similar names - Blu Hotshot and Blue Hotshot for example - and you can attend more than one meeting at a time - cloning oneself so to speak.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @a quai role play sim of the Victorian era
whiteslate India: yes, the groups thing is a headache - I let my my alts collect the email notices
Katie Fenstalker: well other accounts cost money and outfit avs do not.
Olivia Hotshot: People generally never notice.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes steam punk is part of it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Olivia! That brings up a question I got by IM..."if you meet somone with your alt that would be a better contact for your main av. What would they do? Give both names or stick to the alt. ."
whiteslate India: @Olivia - yes, I agree
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have the name of my groups alt in my profile
Chimera Cosmos: I've had someone else's alt tell me something in confidence--their real identity, which was not well known
LoCE99Ch8 Morpork: Caledon also has a very active library.
lizit Cleanslate: my name is who I am. My alts may have me behind them, but they do not necessarily know each other if that makes sense
Zotarah Shepherd: Karen You write a ticket to LL and tell them you are educational and need more accounts for your teachers and students and they will let you know when you are on that list.
Alan Sandalwood: @Ignatius. Give them my other name.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they have an amazing library many activities
Zotarah Shepherd: I hope all of you know how to write a Ticket to Linden Labs.
KarenKate Sands: Zotarah - thanks! I have live chatted and gotten diff stories each time -- never that one -- thank you!
Kali Pizzaro: we may need to learn after tonight ;-0
Kali Pizzaro: after
Joy Rembrandt: i don't, what is that Zo?
Chimera Cosmos: all my alts say in their profiles that they are alts
Chimera Cosmos: and most are also named Chimera
Margaret Michalski: @ Alan, that was my thinking.
Zotarah Shepherd: Those who own educational sims or I think over half of a sim also have consierge service
Bill Friis: I find when I am working a project, by alt can look at it more critically than I can.
Katie Fenstalker: Chimera I like your tracking method.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Chimera, my hillbilly trickster ALT roleplays that I am HIS ALT
whiteslate India: Bono's hats
Margaret Michalski: If there is a potential of working with someone "tecchnically"no hard can be done.
whiteslate India: Bill's alts
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @bill@iggy haha
Margaret Michalski: harm can be done
CathyWyo1 Haystack: dang alts are outta control
Margaret Michalski: problems with spelling today
Ahlan Oh: we're talking around the issue of privacy. however, in reality (in SL) there is no privacy, much as we might try to protect it. people at LL have access to all conversations and actions, for example. plus, one slip up and your secret 'alt' life is public.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @margaret what do you mean?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @there is no such thing as privacy on the internet or the world today
Olivia Hotshot: I think it all goes back to motive. Why is one using an alt? If the answer is ethically correct then nothing wrong with it. If used to deceive or not own up to one's behavior, then not so cool.
Marc Rexen: Both correct Ahlan.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I just read The Big Switch and learned all abou that
Kali Pizzaro: yeah google your SL name
Katie Fenstalker: privacy can be over rated.....
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Kali exactly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cathy, tell us more--Big Switch?
Kali Pizzaro: True Olivia
CathyWyo1 Haystack: A book by Nicholas Carr
Chimera Cosmos: hahaha @ignatius - my Burner alt's profile says that she has been told she's an alt but has no proof LOL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: your idnetity is being created on the web with every click, every switch, etc.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: AOL kept track of all their useres searches and published a report
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My ALT hopes to marry Olivia :P
Zotarah Shepherd: I am looking for the URL for you about the tickets
CathyWyo1 Haystack: they numbered there users
CathyWyo1 Haystack: two reports at the NY times
Alan Sandalwood: Bloody hell
CathyWyo1 Haystack: decided to track down on the of users---and found her
CathyWyo1 Haystack: just based on her searches
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I was reeling when I was done reading this book
Spud Ruska: I heard about that CathyWyo
Bill Friis: One the Internet, everyone knows you are a dog.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: if you use the web you have no privacy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: if you use sl
CathyWyo1 Haystack: you have no privacy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Cathy, it's terrifying..but what do we expect?
Mimi Muircastle: privacy is so 20th century :)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: exactly
Spud Ruska: We should allow people to protect what privacy they do have though
Kali Pizzaro: that is why it is wise to think before you write. Must try that hehe
CathyWyo1 Haystack: We should but with so much being done through things such as analytics
Rini Hathaway accepted your inventory offer.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: like google
Margaret Michalski: Agree with Spud and kali
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I can drill down on my blog on find out who is diong what when
Olivia Hotshot grins at the thought of Pappy wooing me
CathyWyo1 Haystack: can do a lot with Google earth too
hobbs Constantine: He who risks none never loves, ask Pappy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: to pinpoint someone's location
Kali Pizzaro: i am on goole street view walking my dogs!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia, after enough Shine, it won't matter what you call him :)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: having an Alt
Olivia Hotshot: hahahaha
KarenKate Sands: lol Kali!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: gives you a sense of anonymity but Linden labs knows who the person is behind hte alt
Kali Pizzaro: first thing i thought was i need a new brs!
Ahlan Oh: if you have never seen it, I recommend the short-lived British series, "Max Headroom". A very ironic look at this whole issue, and very entertaining.
Oronoque Westland is glad she doesn't partake in shine
Kali Pizzaro: bra
Olivia Hotshot: So let me get this right, the alt lives in my house so no one using Google earth can find me? Just wait until there is street view in SL.
JR Wahrhaftig: hey
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But it's in LL's interest to keep their numbers up and to support educators...just keep what you do ethical
CathyWyo1 Haystack: hehe
Spud Ruska: I would expect LL to keep that private - they have a big responsibility
CathyWyo1 Haystack: right
Chimera Cosmos: My Burner alt built a house up over the BL sims and wasn't found for months--the Lindens laughed about it
Kali Pizzaro: @Olivia oh don't put ideas in their head
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Well I did lose an alt
CathyWyo1 Haystack: vaporized
JR Wahrhaftig: HooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo !!!!!!
Olivia Hotshot grins - as long as i can do the photography i will Kali.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: all I could see was it's feet
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it was disturbing
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Katie Fenstalker: how does an alt vaporize?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I don't know
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cathy...it is...but that sounds like a system glitch, not LL
Zotarah Shepherd: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417 tells you about Support Tickets.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: some kind of dragon avatar
CathyWyo1 Haystack: fixed it
CathyWyo1 Haystack: already
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have submitted many support tickets
CathyWyo1 Haystack: ahh the early days
KarenKate Sands: Zotarah - thanks... I have submitted many too
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and I fixed my alt
Oronoque Westland hopes she doesn't vaporize
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We are coming up to the last 10 minutes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so...other Qs for our group about using their ALTs?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: something not addressed yet
Oronoque Westland: I am not clear...how many here do not use ALTs because of ethical concerns?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: GOOD Q Oronoque
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it's misleading and it always seems that the issue comes p tha tyou ahve alts or being in second life means you are up to some sort unethical behavior
CathyWyo1 Haystack: there are many reasons to have an alt that have nothing to do with that
JeanClaude Vollmar: /waves goodbye to everyone, "Sorry, have to get to another meeting. See you all next week. Keep this going, cool discussion."
Marc Rexen: We really haven't finished the discussion of "who owns the account, when the school/employer pays for it."
Kali Pizzaro: yeah my alt is a patient for teaching
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and I think we identified many today
KarenKate Sands: well can someone summarize it please for those of us that don't have an alt? It sounds like they are linked to one account, however they use different email addresses... is that right?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @ Caty--agreed
Olivia Hotshot: Marc, you don't pay for an avatar.
Chimera Cosmos: no, separate accounts
Chimera Cosmos: no official link
CathyWyo1 Haystack: the only real reason to pay is if you own land
Katie Fenstalker: again, you have to pay for each one.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: my opinion
Olivia Hotshot: ahh maybe you mean all the "stuff" an avatar owns
KarenKate Sands: ohh thanks Chimera
Spud Ruska: What do people do regarding students who want to be involved in training, but have little interest in SL outside that - use shared alts?
Marc Rexen: One person ethics and morals are not another persons...alts avoids the discussion.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: have a basic account is free
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @KarenKate--different accounts but when you register them, you must give a RL name
Chimera Cosmos: my alts have their own gmail addresses
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Marc explain further
Katie Fenstalker: needs another email address to be another free one.
KarenKate Sands: Spud - godd question! I have that same situation
KarenKate Sands: *good
Angelia Halsey: the main reason I have 2 alts its to keep financial accounts separate, not because I will do anything unethical; it goes back to who owns the avi and inventory
CathyWyo1 Haystack: my alts have my name in their profiles .l.so ...
Katie Fenstalker: does that mean it needs another credit card too?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: what would be avoided
Margaret Michalski: @ Spud- I would have the student create their own.
Ahlan Oh: I'd like to do something unethical. what do you suggest?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah that is what i do i have 3 emails so could have 3
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: If you buy with university funds in SL, it would be wise to have an ALT to do that
KarenKate Sands: Ig - thanks.. it's that RL name..
whiteslate India: actually, you can just switch the email to your first one once you've signed up - ergo registering for three or more alts need only two email addresses, hypothetically
Marc Rexen: You've mentioned ethics several times, as if you "know" what they are...I doubt ours match...but it's not what I'm here to discuss...so I avoid the question and issue by an alt.
Margaret Michalski: You never know what the student would decided to do or forgetto tell you they did.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @ahlan I would too let's go whoop it up
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: BTW, apologies for sending the SLER group my House of Usher Invoice...sent it to the wrong group !
Ahlan Oh: @Cathy haha! sure!
Olivia Hotshot: IF anyone is going to SLCC at the end of this week - I am going. Look for me!! =)
Bill Friis: Ethics, that is another topic.
Katie Fenstalker: how much control should we have over adult students anyway?
Chimera Cosmos: yes! who all is going to SLCC?
Marc Rexen: It was interesting...how I spent 5K :)
Chimera Cosmos: I'll be there Wed afternoon to Sat noon
Ahlan Oh: @Cathy--except, can it wait until I go out with my spouse tonight? It's our anniversary (24)
Geoff Lumley: @ Angelia - same here. Because my alt holds land for my institution, which is funded by taxpayers' money, I have to be able to produce auditable accounts of the financial transactions
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Bill yes ethics in second life ..how does it differ?
Spud Ruska: @margaret - creating an av can take an novice hours which eats into traing time
Kali Pizzaro: exactly that is why i think they should have an alt
CathyWyo1 Haystack: from real life good topic
Spud Ruska: *training*
Olivia Hotshot: Chimera - are you going or sending your alt? *grins*
Margaret Michalski: @ Katie, I work with medical residents and sometimes age amkes no difference. Some act like little school children others like professors.
Chimera Cosmos: Spud - yes - that's why I made the class set and made them all look unique
Kali Pizzaro: let their student avatar come to uni and let their alt do what it wants
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: while I have you all here...reminder of next week's topic:
Chimera Cosmos: so the orientation is just spent on how and why SL
Alan Sandalwood: How long does it normally take for an institution to be recognized as educational
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this one is gonna be of great interest! Case Studies - Guests: SLER Case Study Working Group (Voice)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so bring your headsets and join us
Geoff Lumley: @Alan took about six weeks in my case
Oronoque Westland: I know of several trainers who have several alt accounts that trainees use so as to cut down on the time taken by setting up new accounts, trying to set up an account from an IP that is maxxed out, etc.
Alan Sandalwood: @Geoff. Thanks.
Spud Ruska: That sounds interesting chimera (sorry if i missed the any discussion about this earlier)
Kali Pizzaro: i will not be here next week will be at Celtic Park cheering on Celtic.
Alan Sandalwood: Not Rangers?
Kali Pizzaro: Might make the last half hour
Kali Pizzaro: nah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kali, now that is a great reason to miss a meeting :)
Alan Sandalwood: Just teasing
Chimera Cosmos: I did find they sent too much time tweaking avi settings - and no one keeps that alt body anyhow!
Kali Pizzaro: cheers i hope i am happy
Zotarah Shepherd: I think that knowing how to create an account in SL is an important part of the learning process in SL.
Mimi Muircastle: @Iggy - quick question - I am not sure we need the whole hour next week for the Case Study group
Chimera Cosmos: agree Zotarah
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Zotorah good point
mystery Arida: Bye everyone. Good to meet you
Chimera Cosmos: but there are different circumstances
Chimera Cosmos: sp
Kali Pizzaro: tc all
JR Wahrhaftig: hey mystery :__:
Geoff Lumley: Bye Kali
Kali Pizzaro: i am cream crackered bye
Chimera Cosmos: I worked with teachers in a distance masters program who were in residence in summer
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Mimi--I think we'll have a few more questions than you suspect..lots of stuff came up when AJ was asked about case studies
Chimera Cosmos: not all would be able to access SL when they left
Bill Friis: Agree, Zotarah, but RL sometimes limits what I can do.
lizit Cleanslate: I agree Zotarah, but if somebody is attending a 90minute taster session,a lot of time can be wasted setting up an account
Mimi Muircastle: ok - not sure we are experts yet :)
Oronoque Westland: if the training session is not about learning how to use SL why spend time learning to set up an account?
Chimera Cosmos: but to give all a chance to experience it...we used the class set
Ignatius Onomatopoeia scratches his head "cream crackered?"
Kali Pizzaro: knackered
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I have a theory
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Spud Ruska: = knackered, cockney rhyming slang
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: gotcha, Kali. Time for Pesto and wine for me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sleep tight
CathyWyo1 Haystack: there only about 10000 actually people in Second Life
Alan Sandalwood: @Iggy double idiom
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but they all ahve 500-1000 alts
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Geoff Lumley: Gotta go folks. See you next week.
Mimi Muircastle: @iggy will someone take notes since it is in voice so that the committee has a record of ideas and concerns? I would prefer chat for this reason
Katie Fenstalker: lol
Kali Pizzaro: ok nighty night
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Cathy, you have to wonder sometimes
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Kali!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it's true
Oronoque Westland: @Iggy...cream crackers are tinned
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: how big the user base REALLY is
Joy Rembrandt: @Iggy, do you know how we can get hold of the list of questions for the case studies? do you have it?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I am run by the big giant "ozzette"
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
Kali Pizzaro: bye olivia
Chimera Cosmos: the other thing I found was that the "mechanics" of setting up SL frustrated some, and if they had already experienced the fun they were more likely to stick and to create their own account
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Joy...I think I have them
CorDeRosa Loire: thanks, good night
Alan Sandalwood: Bye Kali
Katie Fenstalker: like that Chimera.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I actually have four or five other alts at this meeting
Bill Friis: Right, Chimera.
Mimi Muircastle: @iggy we did not get a list of ques. from AJ - just general ideas
Joy Rembrandt: Iggy, I would love to see that list
Chimera Cosmos: we spent the 2 hours doing fun things
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Re: case study Qs, try http://virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/090714.html
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I can type really fast
Chimera Cosmos: instead of mechanics
Mimi Muircastle: yes, Joy it would be useful
Spud Ruska: That's interesting Chimera
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but I have lots of typos that's why
Chimera Cosmos: but it was not for a group where all are expected/required to be in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that was the meeting where they bombarded the group with Qs about "where do I find case studies?"
Chimera Cosmos: it was go provide an opportunity for prof dev for HS teachers
Katie Fenstalker: (Mark Twain's Mysterious Stranger --- everyone is an alt!)
Oronoque Westland: sometimes an ALT can save your life
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hah....maybe for House of Usher we should have Madeline and Roderick be the same person :)
Ahlan Oh: /waves. must go. thanks all
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: goodnight Ahlan
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy and just do av swaps
Marc Rexen: Case studies are nice, but the latest JVW, on Health care uses of VW's, has an excellent article on the concept of "presence."
Oronoque Westland escaped Ahlan
Mimi Muircastle: thanks, Iggy - I opened it and will read it - did you get it too Joy?
Katie Fenstalker: I should go too. bye all. thanks for everything.
Joy Rembrandt: no, send me a copy later
whiteslate India: thank you for the link, Ignatius
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll edit this transcript this week. Next week, our fearless leader returns from the Holy Land!
Olivia Hotshot: Great job, Iggy.
Marc Rexen: Presence is so important for Distance Education, especially fully Distance (almost unimaginably important).
Bill Friis: Ah, must go as well. Adios, all.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you all for coming tonight!
