Transcript of June 23, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Are We Our Avatars?
Iggy's Note: Very special thanks to Olivia and Margaret for running the show while AJ and I were on the other side of the ocean. And for those who wonder how closely I look like my avatar, I'll pop in a montage of me from arrival in SL in early 2007 to today :)
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). See Olivia's Flickr group for the SLER to add your own photos. Pics here of Metaplace and Tut's tomb by me.
Links Mentioned:
Olivia Hotshot: Hello Everyone
Birdie Newcomb: Margaret, are you AJ today?
Margaret Michalski: Hi Oliva! Sending out reminders now
Margaret Michalski: Iggy
Olivia Hotshot: I just got one Margaret! Youre on the ball as usual =)
Margaret Michalski: Forgot the sunglasses
Kali Pizzaro: Hi All
Olivia Hotshot: Hello kali
Avitar Digfoot: Thank you all for being so welcoming, First time here,
Olivia Hotshot: Hello Avitar - i have seen your name on the SLED list
JohnSnow Scarbridge: new kid here too, will leave in 30 min for classroom
Brielle Coronet: yep first timer here too
Margaret Michalski: Olivia- do you have access to send notices to EDUCDAUSE?
Brielle Coronet: i don't usually get home in time
Kali Pizzaro: Woo great new folk
Olivia Hotshot: copy me the notice Margaret and i will do it now
Margaret Michalski: I have to tell Iggy to give me his hat when he is away: )
Olivia Hotshot: and put your hair in dreds =)
Margaret Michalski: Can you copy it from the group notices?
Margaret Michalski: I took it out of FB
Margaret Michalski: Hi Path
Margaret Michalski: New look?
Pathfinder Linden: greetings
Pathfinder Linden: i am celebrating the 6th birthday by wearing a recreation of what the first avatars looked like in SL
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Astraea
Kali Pizzaro: haha fab
Pathfinder Linden: figured it was also appropriate for the topic of today's roundtable too
Teri Boxen: hi kali
Roux Rexen: Hello, everyone, i finally made it to another gathering :)
Margaret Michalski: All, come on down by the table
Brielle Coronet: very colorful :)
Kali Pizzaro: very tellytubby
Pathfinder Linden: it's a Primitar
Margaret Michalski: we have a minute before we start
Birdie Newcomb: Clever
Pathfinder Linden: that's what we called the first avatars. because they were made of prims.
Avitar Digfoot: prims?
Pathfinder Linden: primitives. prims.
Avitar Digfoot: OK
Pathfinder Linden: as opposed to meshes
Astraea Ampan: hello everyone
Bill Friis: A man made of colorful objects.
Birdie Newcomb: Some are now trying to do the same for bots
Praxislady Witt: Hello
Astraea Ampan: lag probs
Pathfinder Linden: this is actually a freebie avatar, so if anyone wants a copy, i can put one out for folks
Margaret Michalski: Ok Think we are ready to start
Birdie Newcomb: Yay
Olivia Hotshot: Hello everyone
Olivia Hotshot: I am filling in for AJ today.
Alan Sandalwood: Hello
Olivia Hotshot: The theme of this meeting is Are We Our Avatars?
Olivia Hotshot: Shall we get started with the usual announcements?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: we are
Margaret Michalski: Everyone have a seat by the table
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Pathfinder has already changed. So which one is he?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Olivia Hotshot: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
Bill Friis: OK Problems solved.
Olivia Hotshot: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
Olivia Hotshot: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our topic today is "Are We Our Avatars".
Olivia Hotshot: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
Pathfinder Linden: had to take off the avatar to put a copy of it in the box on the table ;)
Olivia Hotshot: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
Olivia Hotshot: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Birdie Newcomb: ty path
Olivia Hotshot: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
Firery Broome: Thanks Pathfinder!
Olivia Hotshot: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Olivia Hotshot: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
Olivia Hotshot: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
Olivia Hotshot: Speaking of announcements, there is a new addition for educators to the CHSSSouth Amphitheater.
Olivia Hotshot: Just outside the Amphitheater, to the east side of the stairs (to the right as you head out), is a bulletin board.
Bill Friis: Muchas gracias, Path.
Olivia Hotshot: Educators are welcome to add notes about events and other short term items to the board.
Olivia Hotshot: Click the top notecard giver to details and important instruction to follow on how to leave a note for others.
Olivia Hotshot: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
Olivia Hotshot: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
Olivia Hotshot: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
Olivia Hotshot: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Olivia Hotshot: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
Olivia Hotshot: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
Olivia Hotshot: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
JohnSnow Scarbridge: see my profile has info
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, Southern California, hanging loose...
Olivia Hotshot: As another note, our scribe for today is Margaret Michalski.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Cathy Anderson South Dakota Board of Regetns Academic Coordinator
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood Education & Technology
Kali Pizzaro: Nurse Lecturer in Scotland
Margaret Michalski: Margaret, Research Information Specialist, University of Illinois at Chicago
Teri Boxen: Teri Lind San Jose Calfiornia
Brielle Coronet: I'm from the SLed list, a medical librarian from NJ, USA
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico, techie and Educator
Jerod Bagley: Jerry Stapleton, University of Illinois at Chicago.
Marty Snowpaw: content producer
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI
MLani Montgomery: Rinda Montgomery Conwell, assistant superintendent for an education service agency in Oregon
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and
Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills.
Bill Friis: Bill Freese, Montana State University Instructional Media Lab
Roux Rexen: Roux/Linda UTSA masaters student in IST
Avitar Digfoot: Anne Bryan, teacher, North Carolina. Grad student studying distance learning
Firery Broome: University of Delaware, IT faculty support, island caretaker
Geoff Lumley: Hi guys. I'm Geoff, from the University of Leeds, UK
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Science Program Community Facilitator, Western Governors University www.wgu.edu
Praxislady Witt: Praxislady, adult educator F2F and online
Hattie Haystack: Gail Hanson Brenner - Clinical Instructor of Nursing at the University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
George Linden: George Scobie/Linden, Education Account Manager with Linden Lab
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe, Tulsa Community College, LRC Supervisor
Pathfinder Linden: John Lester, Education and Healthcare Development, Linden Lab
Olivia Hotshot: anyone else?
Brielle Coronet: we're from all over :)
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Blythe
Olivia Hotshot: To those in the stands, feel free to come down and join us. We're a friendly lot.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Jasmine Pues, communications student, University of Surrey (postgrad) but in the US now.
Blythe Quandry: Kevin Gulliver, UNLV School of Nursing
Dusty Artaud: Randi Kopp, Kidsbridge Tolerance Museum NJ/NY
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, masters candidate at Melbourne University, Australia, and business administrator of Australian Vocational Training and Employment Services
Olivia Hotshot: All right, lets get started. As usual our group is a colorful one and perfect for today's topic.
Kali Pizzaro: great crowd Olivia
Margaret Michalski: Path has a question
Olivia Hotshot: First lets start off with a yes or no. Did you create your avatar to "look" like you?
Alan Sandalwood: No
Zotarah Shepherd: No
Dusty Artaud: yes
hobbs Constantine: no
JohnSnow Scarbridge: no
Kitsuko Pelazzi: I have an alt who does.
Alana Steamweaver: No
Anna May: no
Brielle Coronet: yes---younger version of me in my 20's
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Bill Friis: yes
Teri Boxen: no
Marty Snowpaw: yes
Firery Broome: mostly
Birdie Newcomb: somewhat
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes does but skinnier
Profdan Netizen: yes
Geoff Lumley: yes-ish. It's how I looked 30 years ago
Roux Rexen: yes
Blythe Quandry: Somewhat, still looking for good salt & pepper hair.
Avitar Digfoot: somewhat, haven't modified much but chose style for myself
Marty Snowpaw: same Geoff
Birdie Newcomb: how I wish I'd looked 30 years ago
Tuxedo Ninetails grins
Tuxedo Ninetails: I'm with Birdie
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Raloc Dorado: er...no
JohnSnow Scarbridge: took sl offering and wont worry for a long tie
Bill Friis: My own mother recognized men when I showed her a snapshot.
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent response! Yes or No, if yes, did you create it to look like your "better" self?
Bill Friis: me
Eliasdehart Sixpence: not exactly - somewhat similar by accident (to my younger self)
Roux Rexen: yes
Birdie Newcomb: yes
Eliasdehart Sixpence: but taller
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes my better half
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
Kali Pizzaro: yep skinny hehe
Brielle Coronet: no I pretty much look like i did in my mid 20's
Eliasdehart Sixpence: in SL
Marty Snowpaw: oh yes
Kitsuko Pelazzi: To certain attributes yes.
Dusty Artaud: yes
Blythe Quandry: LOL, of course yes the better.
Praxislady Witt: YES, YEARS AGO.
Bill Friis: My more western self.
hobbs Constantine: good one Cathy
Teri Boxen: not really
Olivia Hotshot is chuckling
CathyWyo1 Haystack: can't find my nose though
Avitar Digfoot: yes, free spirit part of myself
CathyWyo1 Haystack: this one is too pretttttty
Margaret Michalski: mine is close enough but character is me
Birdie Newcomb: Occasionally use a second avatar or appearance
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I keep thinking hmm maybe I will get a nose job in rl
Olivia Hotshot: All right then, lets bat this thought around for awhile. Why do you suppose most people choose to look like this or is that a misperception. (No pun.)
Kali Pizzaro: i have another avatar who does not really look like me
Birdie Newcomb: Just to see how it is to be really short or black or ugly.
Brielle Coronet: i have a professional avatar that is totally not me and i can't "bond" to her
Birdie Newcomb: or animal
Bill Friis: Look like what?
Alana Steamweaver: Well... *laughs*
CathyWyo1 Haystack: oh why not that is what I say
Brielle Coronet: poor thing has few dresses
JohnSnow Scarbridge: difficulty is avatar alterations, social fantasies for non educator roles, deliberately neutral for classroom use, etc
Alana Steamweaver: Since I don't see anyone I know except someone in on it, I decided to see what it was like in the opposite gender's shoes.
Anna May: l
Margaret Michalski: I don't think you can have one look "exactly" like you
Birdie Newcomb: Yes, do educators have a secret avatar for outside class activities?
Dusty Artaud: like to shapeshift but always come back to one shape
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Margaret.
Blythe Quandry: There is something liberating about changing your Avie appearance. Something that can't be done or I am too conservative to in RL.
Praxislady Witt: Other persona is the professional me.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah this avatar is professional me
Bill Friis: I don't look "exactly" like I did yesterday in RL, either.
Pathfinder Linden: I have always felt uncomfortable as an avatar that looks too human, but I have no desire to look anything but human in RL, so I have no idea where that desire comes from.
Olivia Hotshot: Has anyone here tried the photo look a like avatars? The one where you supply your rl photo to create it?
Brielle Coronet: mine too praxis, this one is my social avatar
Olivia Hotshot: tried*
Kali Pizzaro: but got fed up changing appearance
CathyWyo1 Haystack: well if it's not exactly like me and my cloths dont' rez because sl is screwed up it's not such a big deal when people see me naked
Bill Friis: Considering the Photo thing, but not yet.
Dusty Artaud: no fascinating though
CathyWyo1 Haystack: which happened on sat
Olivia Hotshot: Does anyone have an opinion about the photo look alike avatars?
Brielle Coronet: thats why its good to change at home first
JohnSnow Scarbridge: i dont want this av to distract or enhance
Kali Pizzaro: eh never seen it
Kitsuko Pelazzi: I think people like to make themselves as they were on their best day.
Kali Pizzaro: agreed john
Eliasdehart Sixpence: didn't think it was worth the $L
Tuxedo Ninetails: I like the idea of photo lookalike avatars for special guests who are already known to the public
Bill Friis: We want to look our best in RL photos, too.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Or like a portrait (which betters them) than a photo lookalike.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: did change looked dressed on my screen but not to anyone esle
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent Tux!
Juice Gyoza: I thought the topic today was introducing other instructors to SL -- am I wrong?
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Well, RL photos are often more candid now too.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah wrong week
Tuxedo Ninetails: I think that was last week Juice
Profdan Netizen: Last wee, Juice.
Olivia Hotshot: If anyone has the link to the sim please post it (or I will shoot it to Iggy for the transcript later)
Brielle Coronet: nope juice
JohnSnow Scarbridge: of more importance was a name related to field
Juice Gyoza: topic today?
George Linden: (curious on a side note, how do you all feel about the default avatar selection for avatar creation at the start of registrations--from an edu perspective?)
Praxislady Witt: The photo look alike avatars is a personal choice.
Alana Steamweaver: Juice: Avatar identity.
Bill Friis: This week is "Are We Our Avatars."
Olivia Hotshot: Ahhh good point John. Lets explore that. How important is the name ?
Juice Gyoza: ok thanks
Blythe Quandry: Your Avie is a representation of yourself. Regardless if you have a tail and fur look like a human, it is still a reflection of the person behind it.
Brielle Coronet: I had very few av choices in 2006
Juice Gyoza: My faculty dislike the options
JohnSnow Scarbridge: personal preference, no one way is correct
Alana Steamweaver: Well, my name was chosen as an inside joke.
Juice Gyoza: I have over 40 faculty that I have trained
Tuxedo Ninetails: George, it might be good to be able to specify a bit more at the default avi stage
Juice Gyoza: I could send them a more extensive survey if someone has one
Kali Pizzaro: well i think my dogs name goes well with pizarro
Brielle Coronet: I'm named after a beach lol
Margaret Michalski: default avatars are good for beginners
hobbs Constantine: I find it interesting that 'new' avatars can be spotted easily...that seemed to help a new faculty training session I went to at SLOAN
Olivia Hotshot: i named myself after the traveling pig in childrens' stories
Avitar Digfoot: Chose mine to reflect my sense of humor. misspelled avatar on purpose. liked bigfoot because I'm small & it's opposite of bigfoot
Alan Sandalwood: I chose my name to be as similar to my real one as possible. This is the avatar I intend to use for class.
Blythe Quandry: I just like Shakespeare.
Praxislady Witt: Non threatening, chooses closest to how they see themselves. A good starter image.
Margaret Michalski: but as you start changing appearance it is a totally different avatar
Alana Steamweaver: Since I am essentially seeing if I can convincingly present female, I chose the feminine variant of "Alan" in honor of Alan Turing.
Dusty Artaud: chose mine on basis of novel I was considering but did not write
Bill Friis: My professional avatar is as close to me as I could get it for professional reasons.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I actually chose a yahoo email "handle " I have had for years sigh
Olivia Hotshot: So is a gender neutral avatar name a good idea? or not?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but now I am kind of used to it
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I just used it because it's easy for me to remember
CathyWyo1 Haystack: old age
Alana Steamweaver: Olivia, a gender neutral would be good if you want to use the same avatar to flip between male and female depending on setting.
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent point Alana.
Tuxedo Ninetails: I have chosen gender neutral names for all my previous virtual world work, so I did here, not knowing what to expect.
Margaret Michalski: I would not like a neutral name
Praxislady Witt: Yes, Hobbs agree. Because they are recognizable, I tend to offer help.
Birdie Newcomb: I didn't know how important a name was, so chose one like my own
Brielle Coronet: I like to be female
hobbs Constantine: I think I'm the only SL avatar that got confused at registration and thought I must have a lowercase first name?? I'm weird.
JohnSnow Scarbridge: I am just introducing SL slowly to a very small town CC, anything unusual will not go over well
Margaret Michalski: I would never be sure how to address someone
Pathfinder Linden just realized his SL name is genderless. never thought of that before.
Hattie Haystack: choosing a name was the hardest for me - because I knew I couldn't change it
Kali Pizzaro: dont think it matter. i can tell who is a man in a few minutes of conversation even if they have a female look and name
Bill Friis: No, hobbs. That happens a lot.
Robin Mochi: I have had a male avatar for the past two years and due to a new grant funded position in SL I switched to a female avatar as I am female in RL
Tuxedo Ninetails: JohnSnow, I'd like to talk to you some more about that
Kitsuko Pelazzi: I tend to be polite so I like being able to address people properly.
hobbs Constantine: Thanks Bill, I was having a real complex about that.
Praxislady Witt: Wanted something short with first name choice.
Alana Steamweaver: Kali, I'd love to talk to you about that offline later.
Dusty Artaud: dont think it matters because you can re-gender you av anytime
Blythe Quandry: I have seen several Avies with AOL like names, it seems odd to me, and very impersonal.
Alan Sandalwood: I have the same problem as Johnsnow. Potentially conservative clientele
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I wished I would have picked a more gender neutral name fo rmy work avatar
Kali Pizzaro: no prob Alana
Olivia Hotshot: If Linden Labs allowed you to edit your name, would anyone here jump at that offer?
hobbs Constantine: I chose my most often mis-typed email addy and then I like Calving and Hobbes too
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Yes!
Birdie Newcomb: yes
Brielle Coronet: I'd like ability to change surname
Dusty Artaud: no
hobbs Constantine: yes!
Brielle Coronet: for instance hyphenate it if you partner
Blythe Quandry: No
Gizmo Latte: yes
Praxislady Witt: Yes, Kali, there are distance givaways, like discussing shopping? if no interest in the topic, Hmmm must be a guy...:)
Aquiel Aero: no
Margaret Michalski: then they would have to adjust the frendship
Hattie Haystack: I probably wouldn't but perhaps!
Alan Sandalwood: Jump- no, but I would like the opportunity
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent idea Brielle!
Bill Friis: Maybe. But not often.
Avitar Digfoot: Not sure. Perhaps if I spend a lot of time in SL
Kali Pizzaro: haha probably more obvious if they are a young guy
Zotarah Shepherd: No I like the names I have chosen.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: That could be debated, Kali.
Alana Steamweaver: I like the name I have. However, should I ever gain a partner in SL, it'd be nice to alter the name in some way to reflect that.
Margaret Michalski: How would your friends keep track of you if you change names
Bill Friis: Appearance in SL changes so much, the only real way to recognize someone is by their name.
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Praxislady Witt: Where do they get such odd selection of names?
Brielle Coronet: tahts why it would be good to hyphenate them
Margaret Michalski: Maybe if someone want to shorten their first name
Hattie Haystack: yes - our name is how our friends identify us
Brielle Coronet: partners kind of come and go like RL lol
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that we have an unchangeable name. Makes it harder for griefers too.
Margaret Michalski: or put an additional name in parentheses then yes
Pathfinder Linden: Praxislady, we dream up the names as a group. seriously.
Olivia Hotshot: All of this is very interesting to me. How do you feel about the names students choose?
Dusty Artaud: my alt had very few name choices to choose from - don't understand why
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i am only getting folk used to this one
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Yes I would like to change my name to Cathy sigh
Praxislady Witt: Aggggh, no hyphen. Problems with that in RL...
Doomsday Sorbet: yes, Bill... it is the only constant... but then there are alts, too...
Bill Friis: Student choices are just as drab or exotic as adult.
Pathfinder Linden: there's no orderly plan to how we have rolled out last names. as a group we have brainstormed and just made suggestions for ones that sounded interesting.
Margaret Michalski: If everyone here started to change name it would be a big problem
Olivia Hotshot: Do their name choices influence how you perceive them? (the students that is)
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Yes.
Bill Friis: Hey, if I log in as an alt, I probably don't want to be recognized.
Avitar Digfoot: As long as I could find a name that made me smile, sort of a joke of sorts, I was fine
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I liked the last names no problem with that
Pathfinder Linden: of course, just because we've done it that way doesn't mean we'll always do it that way. :)
Brielle Coronet: people change last names in RL all the time margaret
Alana Steamweaver: It certainly impacts my view of the people I meet.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: (Also if they're in default avatars, but that's slightly not to do with names.)
Brielle Coronet: at least women do in marriage
Avitar Digfoot: name changes impact your view?
Alan Sandalwood: Agree with Cathy... there is a good range of last names
hobbs Constantine: yes, I think names do impact perception
Margaret Michalski: it depends if you re talking abut changing first, last or both
Olivia Hotshot: For example, clever names = clever people, erotic names = the ones going to Shindra?
Alana Steamweaver: Since people choose names here, then the name they have chosen tells me something about it.
Margaret Michalski: changing both would be a problem
Blythe Quandry: I have not taught in SL yet, but the email addresses of my students do add to my perception of them.
Brielle Coronet: my suggestion was being able to add a partner's surname to your own
Dusty Artaud: Name does not impact my view of who I meet - I expect anything
CathyWyo1 Haystack: there are plenty of cathy anderson sin the world probably in sl but I like being cathy haystack
Kali Pizzaro: i think there is enough second names
Hattie Haystack: I agree that changing names - either name - could be a challenge
Doomsday Sorbet: I discovered that my real last name was registered as a vanity name. All bots, it seems... sort of bothered me.
Avitar Digfoot: I do like recognizing friends in SL
Bill Friis: I always felt different about a student after I found out his e-mail address was "mylittlecake".
Alan Sandalwood: I like the fact that every name is unique.
Olivia Hotshot: Doomsday, somewhat like identity theft, eh? =)
Kali Pizzaro: agreed @Avitar
Alana Steamweaver: Someone who goes by "Setsuna" is probably connected to Japan or Japanese interests. Someone named "M4|>|>0><>< is probably some sort of gamer.
Doomsday Sorbet: yeah, a little, because there is no way that I could register it.
Alana Steamweaver: Owing to my own interest, I'd be more likely to engage "Setsuna" in conversation than M4|>|>0><><"
Pathfinder Linden laughs at Bill's comment
Dusty Artaud: Avitar identity theft - hmm good one. I think registering name good idea
Profdan Netizen: Those who've taught in SL: how do you keep avi and real names straight?
Jarrad Voom: someone named Jarrad probably just lacks imagination.
Olivia Hotshot: OK, lets shift a bit, i think we exhausted the name change idea for now. What about avatar changes that you'd like to see that would better reflect your professional self as an avatar?
Kali Pizzaro: never thought of that Dusty
Raloc Dorado: I think that it's good that names don't change, because everything else can, but the choice of last names is sometimes too limited
Tegan Jenvieve: how about those that grief under a name until they banned from regions and then change their name
Tuxedo Ninetails: Re names, I think it's fun making the best you can of the surnames that are available
Jarrad Voom: I dress like I do in rl
Tegan Jenvieve: can the system track that
Brielle Coronet: my professional dress
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I can't think of anything
Dusty Artaud: grabbed my name on facebook for my subdomain
JohnSnow Scarbridge: hmm tenure, sabbaticals and stipends?
Brielle Coronet: but its hard to find in SL
Tuxedo Ninetails: I have seen a website where they rank most interesting SL names
Kali Pizzaro: me too to an extent
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that there is only one account per name.
Brielle Coronet: so i designed some of my own
CathyWyo1 Haystack: would hate to dictate to anyone else what they should and should not be
Olivia Hotshot: Would anyone a different default walk? a better default AO?
Tuxedo Ninetails: My best alt name is Academic Waffle
Alana Steamweaver: Well, the main question I have is, is it possible to have a choice on race initially?
Anetha Gyranaut: i was very worried about having a too sexy walk....
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Yes, the default AO is annoying and a tell that you're new.
Tuxedo Ninetails: PLEASE a better default walk!
Alana Steamweaver: OH! Yes! Please get rid of the current walk.
Birdie Newcomb: A lot of educators seem to find a hard time getting "appropriate" clothes for classes.
Olivia Hotshot: @Tux, that is hilarious. I Love waffles!
Dusty Artaud: Olivia YES no one but a duck should walk like a duck
CathyWyo1 Haystack: hey like that sexy walk!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Pathfinder Linden: yeah. default walk sucks. i know.
Brielle Coronet: i purposely chose a skin tone that was a bit more ethnic
Kali Pizzaro: yeah but others are a bit ott
Birdie Newcomb: For women, I can see why.
Pathfinder Linden: we all know at LL. but we need reminding. so ty for reminding us. :)
JohnSnow Scarbridge: LL should do a review of initial library this year
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent place for professional clothes is Univ of Cincinnati
Bill Friis: I am sometimes startled by how sexy a bunch of librarians look in SL.
Iggy's Note: Damn. Wished I'd been there for that remark! How about outside SL, too, dude? (Says the guy who married a hot librarian.)
JohnSnow Scarbridge: more practical first load items
Pathfinder Linden: Olivia, we review the library periodically
Kali Pizzaro: haha now now
Avitar Digfoot: hmmmm probably need to change my walk...still in default mode
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes it is hard to find a good professional walk. Mine is a bit too masculine but better than the too sexy ones I find.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Also the sense of scale is off - people are insanely tall.
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent point Path, ty for adding that.
Alana Steamweaver: Well, I have modded myself to have a different (Asian) look, but the default had me looking like a blond girl headed to a 60s theme party.
Dusty Artaud: but please keep Ruth Pathfinder she is our mother
CathyWyo1 Haystack: saw a bunch of librarian who looked like little birds
Alana Steamweaver: And modding takes time and money.
Alana Steamweaver: It'd be nice to have some more professional start up looks.
Brielle Coronet: well 2-3 yrs ago it was nearly impossible to find "professional" looking clothes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I couldn' tell what I was picking when I started out so I cliked on the male elf
Kali Pizzaro: yeah agree alana
JohnSnow Scarbridge: might set body height to english and metric rather than percent
CathyWyo1 Haystack: took me a while to get that changed
CathyWyo1 Haystack: sigh
Bill Friis: Yes, people trying to make historical builds to scale in SL hate the fact that everybody is 7 feet tall.
JohnSnow Scarbridge: in appearance
Alana Steamweaver: Oooh! Good idea John.
Doomsday Sorbet: I have an academic alt, with my last name (the one I can't get) as my first - but I keep coming back to Doomsday anyway. I do feel as connected to my avatar, as far as how i behave, or what I am interested in. She's me, in many ways.
Avitar Digfoot: i wanted hiking clothes and Title nine short skirts and tops. little imaginateion there
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I am never happy with height
Dusty Artaud: for women hard to find clothing that covers BOTH you breasts and your abdomen
Zotarah Shepherd: Organizing clothes into outfits in subfolders helps a lot
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Dusty - that is difficult indeed.
Anetha Gyranaut: the dominant fashion is glitzy
Brielle Coronet: I use this avatar 99% of the time now...seems i can separate my social self with my professional self, like I do in RL
Alana Steamweaver: I have trouble with skirts...
Kali Pizzaro: indeed dusy
JohnSnow Scarbridge: well students are coming to office looking for me so best wishes all
Olivia Hotshot: @Zotarah - good idea! As well as pre-made outfits to just drag on in a moment.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Bul land Bear has great professional clothes
Bill Friis: So, did we ever decide if we are our avatars?
Alana Steamweaver: *laughs*
CathyWyo1 Haystack: as well as experience creating clothes for universities
Alana Steamweaver: I am... and I am not my avatar.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes I am
Avitar Digfoot: any consultants? I'm not patient enough perhaps to spend time shoping and changing
Raloc Dorado: Yes, organising outfits is difficult especially with no-copy items
Dusty Artaud: Love your answer Alana - same here
Zotarah Shepherd: It is good to share sources of good professional outfit makers.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Bull and Bear
Olivia Hotshot: So is it safe to say that educators judge avatars by their clothes? Or do we fear others will judge us? Is it ok to be a robot teacher, a butterfly, a cowboy?
Birdie Newcomb: While I' m here, I'm my avatar.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah professional clothes most i have tried to make myself and someone gave me a bunch of mens suits!
Birdie Newcomb: with a superego...
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I wish we cut loose a little
Blythe Quandry: Some of the education sims have educator clothing, even academic robes if you are into that.
Anetha Gyranaut: you certainly become your avatar
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and be creative and not judge
Doomsday Sorbet: yes, but maybe my av is a bit more outgoing than my RL self, I often feel like I am putting on roles in RL, anyway. This is just another.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: persona: The role that one assumes or displays in public or society; one's public image or personality, as distinguished from the inner self.
Olivia Hotshot: @Anetha - we do =)
Bill Friis: I know I am, and I know that when my appearance in SL changes, I feel different in RL.
Birdie Newcomb: Yes, I noticed some personality changes.
Roux Rexen: as avatars i believe we are part ourselves, part the interface and part the creation we have made that is our avatar.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: but reflects the inner self
Alana Steamweaver: Well, IRL I am male. But when I log in here I'm not that person. I *am* Alana. So how much of that comes from me, and how much from the avatar I have chosen?
Birdie Newcomb: I'm much more ready to start conversations.
Avitar Digfoot: I admit to looking around at the men nearby...funny that i'd do that in sl
Brielle Coronet: I am very conscious of what i am wearing when i bring in collegues to SL for a demo
Tegan Jenvieve: OUr avatars are a reflection of our subconscious
Birdie Newcomb: Or say what I really think...
Tuxedo Ninetails: Tux is like my child in some ways. I feel very close to her, and feel insults to her as to myself, yet I look at her and see an entity that has life I don't know about as well.
Tegan Jenvieve: of what we want to be or cant in RL sometimes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @Tux exaclty
Doomsday Sorbet: Bill, don't know you but I have seen you at a lot of education events. To me, you are Bill Fris that avatar and a real person.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it is strange
Bill Friis: And of our conscious, Tegan.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: so connected but sometimes I think ..who are you
Tuxedo Ninetails nods at CathyWyo1
Tegan Jenvieve: yes, that too but in playing the subconscious does kick in
Birdie Newcomb: And I've seen Bill/Bill the SL and RL faces, similar but not the same
Dusty Artaud: My avatar does influence my RL self I sit walk and sit differently, I look at textures differently, I grab for pixel clothes when I dress in morning -- then remember Dusty owns them
Praxislady Witt: May I pose a curious question? Where are k-20 teaching ? Teen SL or here?
Margaret Michalski: It is impossible to keep your avatar completely separate fro your real self completely.
Bill Friis: Right, Doomsday. I know a lot of people only as avatars, too.
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you all for the comments. Right now, lets let them stew a bit so that Pathfinder can add to our conversation. Once he is done I have one last question for the group that should take us to the end of our time.
Brielle Coronet: would teen grid avis be here?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @dusty yes but I dont' reach for CW's clothes cause they won't fit
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Olivia Hotshot: Ready path?
Avitar Digfoot: first time I got lost in SL I was really nervous. surprised I so identified with avitar
Pathfinder Linden: yep!
Birdie Newcomb: No. I chose to have white hair in Teen Grid-- don't know why
Dusty Artaud: well my outfit today is not one I'd wear in RL lol
Olivia Hotshot: The floor is yours.
Pathfinder Linden: I just have a quick off topic question.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @avitar yes I remember those days
Kali Pizzaro: yeah first time i got griefed i felt weird
Doomsday Sorbet: My avatar has my face, from photos that I stretched on the mesh. She does and doesn't look like me... SL makes everyone 25...
Pathfinder Linden: George and myself and Claudia are working on an idea to help educators find educational content more easily in SL.
Birdie Newcomb: great idea
Dusty Artaud: 25 is better here than it was once there
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Pathfinder yes
Margaret Michalski: @ path yes
Kali Pizzaro: and...
Pathfinder Linden: And at this point, we have a simple question we'd like to ask folks. You don't have to reply now. Just drop a notecard on me sometime if you want to answer.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it's nice to be 25 and know what I know now
Doomsday Sorbet: When you avatar is embarrassed, do you blush? - rhetorical...
CathyWyo1 Haystack: laughs
Pathfinder Linden: I will take your notecards and share the info with the rest of our team.
Doomsday Sorbet: lol
Kitsuko Pelazzi: That's a good idea, but define 'educational content'... I mean, I'm in the middle of a social experiment, for example.
Brielle Coronet: puleese increase the group max
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes the group max whew
Birdie Newcomb: what's the question?
Anetha Gyranaut doesn't think her rl face would look as good as Doomsday's.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that's why i have an alt
Pathfinder Linden: The question simply is: What is the most useful object or device in Second Life for education, in your experience. And, how exactly is it useful to you?
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @anetha i know what you mean sigh
Margaret Michalski: I would reay like to have edu clothing
Zotarah Shepherd: I have alts to join other groups.
Doomsday Sorbet: that mesh works magic...
George Linden: Awesome Q, Path!
Raloc Dorado: About groups, it would be really useful to be able to form and dissolve ad-hoc groups easily
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but I wouldn't change a thing
Pathfinder Linden: By object or device, I mean something someone has made. SOmething you could buy or give away.
Tuxedo Ninetails: @Pathfinder: The Prim!
Olivia Hotshot: Has everyone seen Path's question?
Pathfinder Linden: That's my simple question. if you have more than One you'd like to talk about, feel free.
Zotarah Shepherd: MystiTool is the most useful
Olivia Hotshot: The book.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: or mutli gadget
Brielle Coronet: have a professional group option
Pathfinder Linden: And, as a pre-emptive gift for folks, please see the wooden box on the table.
Zotarah Shepherd: This table is in it.
Brielle Coronet: so you don't have to use up your group lists
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @BRielle brilliant
Pathfinder Linden: That contains a freebie version of the avatar I am wearing now. It is called a Primitar, and is a model of the very first avatar in SL.
Avitar Digfoot: not sure about blushing, but when I was in the wrong place I felt scared
CathyWyo1 Haystack: those darn blue cards that just hang there
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Path
CathyWyo1 Haystack: driving me crazy
Pathfinder Linden: ok, stick a fork in me, I'm done. thanks for your time. :)
Alan Sandalwood: Is there a way to set your avatars age. I feel very comfortable being over forty and I would feel a little silly teaching twenty somethings as the same age as they are, almost as if I was posing.
Margaret Michalski: every edu should be given a gift of some sort of edu
Olivia Hotshot: oooh i cannot wait to wear this.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: and if you dn't clear t hem out daily they cap your ims
Margaret Michalski: AJ did it for the faire
Dusty Artaud: ty Pathfinder
Brielle Coronet: hey today a 20 something student told another student in front me me that I was "cool" because I was in SL!
Raloc Dorado: Simple question, difficult answer Pathfinder, you're making us think
Doomsday Sorbet: thanks Pathfinder
Bill Friis: Cool, Brielle.
Olivia Hotshot: Any questions for Pathfinder?
Olivia Hotshot: oops Pathfinder too*
Zotarah Shepherd: Looks like colorful armor. Just what we need for teaching students.
Bill Friis: He already knows about the Group problems.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Being i sl is just another dimension of diversity
CathyWyo1 Haystack: in the world
Profdan Netizen: What I'd really like is a browser in world where students and I can look at web pages in real time together.
Margaret Michalski: @ Path- I think a location/booth with edu stuff would be good
Anetha Gyranaut: Yes, cathyWyo
Blythe Quandry: Profdan that is a great idea.
Marc Rexen: What is the most useful object or device in Second Life for education, in your experience. And, how exactly is it useful to you? Voice, hands down.
Anetha Gyranaut: I think the diversity is the main attraction
CathyWyo1 Haystack: we all want the opportunity and options to express ourselves how ever
Alana Steamweaver: Well, I'd be curious if Linden Labs keeps track of statistics about how many avatars are male, how many female, and what percent aren't what they appear? Seeing as that's related to my research...
Brielle Coronet: lag on power point slides
CathyWyo1 Haystack: aren't what they appear?
Robin Mochi: so pathfinder, you mean a device then or an object, not something a person uses to find educational content? So would sloog. org count? Along with the SL Sloog HUD or no? Sloog is what I use and have my students use to find educational places and content in SL but maybe that's not exactly what you're asking about
Brielle Coronet: voice is THE BEST addition!
Kali Pizzaro: interesting Alana
Bill Friis: Object that someone made in world. I think he is compiling a list for other educators.
Birdie Newcomb: I think Sloodle offers the best connection of SL and RL activities
Marc Rexen: Voice is what makes SL useful.
Kali Pizzaro: box of scripts
Brielle Coronet: voice has changed my SL experience
Marc Rexen: The difference before and after is epochal.
Anetha Gyranaut: Meeting people is the best
Margaret Michalski: scripts are very useful for me
Kali Pizzaro: eah Anetha
Raloc Dorado: A built-in aging slider would be good, has anyone seen the way that Oblivion does that
AstroGrl Enzo: I would have like to have seen a sim classification for "educational" in the revamp that took place. or in the future. Would make it easier to find educational sims
Margaret Michalski: I especially like the netlink
Kitsuko Pelazzi: The ability to meet people - I'd say looking at profiles, etc.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: love to meet people so it is essential to me that I have an avatar that is approachable
Kitsuko Pelazzi: Yes, I'd like a classification too.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes profiles
Kali Pizzaro: yeah profiles are good
Brielle Coronet: more diversity options
Profdan Netizen: A smoother real time access to 2D web--web pages, google docs, video, and such that can be looked at with students.
Anetha Gyranaut: MORE diversity?
Chimera Cosmos: Hi all
Brielle Coronet: Sl isn't very ethnically diverse
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Chimera
Chimera Cosmos: showing a chemed conf friend SL
CathyWyo1 Haystack: it is essential how we dfne and identify our passions
Brielle Coronet: at least avatar wise
Marc Rexen: Yes it is...wow.
Robin Mochi: Agree with Profdan, need shared applications for education...
Brielle Coronet: no i mean with race
Alana Steamweaver: It took me quite a while to find an Asiatic looking avatar.
Bill Friis: Got to go. Much thanks, all. Adios.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is how we connect
Kali Pizzaro: Hi Chimera from Scotland
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes more diversity in those initial avatars would be helpful
Olivia Hotshot: Brielle - a good point
Olivia Hotshot: bye Bill!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: @brielle very few
Birdie Newcomb: An introduction for Teen Gridders that gets them re-adjusted to the Main Grid, socialized.
Avitar Digfoot: admit to not spendig much time learning the ropes. auditory learner. would like auditory cues while I follow written ones as well
Anetha Gyranaut: i think it is pretty diverse in human neti and furry ethnicities (inter alia)
Brielle Coronet: how many black avatars do you see?
Brielle Coronet: or hispanic?
Doomsday Sorbet: There are a lot of educational tools spread throughout SL it takes a bit of sleuthing to find them all. I do think that having more customized intro islands has helped with the initial experience, however.
Marc Rexen: Constantly...close friends are black.
Kitsuko Pelazzi: We pay attention to shape and faces and looks. "Condensing fact from the vapor of nuance" to borrow a fiction writer's words.
Anetha Gyranaut: that probably says something about the players
Margaret Michalski: @ path- if another edu faire is around the corner then that would be a good time to distribute edu stuff
CathyWyo1 Haystack: there is an awesome wiki with 103 science sites listed
Olivia Hotshot: i just helped an Asian prof get started and she winced at the avatar choices for her.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I want to visit them all!
Anetha Gyranaut: i know quite a few asian avs
Alana Steamweaver: Exactly Olivia. I finally found Asian looks... and it cost me 1300 Lindens.
Marc Rexen: ...the commercial market is a little better.
Pathfinder Linden: Margaret, yes. I'm just trying to get a sense of what specific items folks find incredibly useful, and why.
Brielle Coronet: off topic but i know someone in SL who is black in RL and when he made a black avatar he had prejudicial remarks made to him so he switched to caucasian :(
Anetha Gyranaut: there are free ones at NCI
AstroGrl Enzo: but avatar look is up to the individual. People are choosing to not have dark skin. There are plenty out there to choose from in stores.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: bu tthere are also build that are non edu but just as good
Olivia Hotshot: @Anetha, i do as well, but the default avatars are not very appealing
Anetha Gyranaut: personally, I want to be pale green
Marc Rexen: There needs to be a recognition that looks matter, and that profs just should be helped to look good.
Zotarah Shepherd: I list of different racial skins and shapes would be good.
Olivia Hotshot: I have a question for Path - are the default avatars different for different regions?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah an area to advertise your islands and what you are doing - this would allow others to see that there are edu things going on
Brielle Coronet: when igot this skin 2 yrs ago i had to search a long time to find one with a darker skin tone
Kitsuko Pelazzi: I'm going to say goodbye now. I'm a bit busy, but thank you for the interesting opinions.
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Kitsuko
Marc Rexen: They are available...but they cost a few Lindens...and I am not in the camp that everything has to be free.
Anna May: bye all
Kali Pizzaro: Bye
Anna May: have to go now
Olivia Hotshot: OK< shall we muck about one last Question?
Brielle Coronet: great discussion :)
Pathfinder Linden: Olivia, the default avatars are not different for different regions, as far as I know.
Margaret Michalski: I personally don't have a problem with the default avtars
Pathfinder Linden: everyone gets the same library
Zotarah Shepherd: If people make clothing and skins they deserve to get paid for their work.
Margaret Michalski: but having a few more to choose from would be good
Olivia Hotshot: If you were to give advice to a colleague or a student about creating a professional persona or "avatar" what would you give?
Pathfinder Linden: but of course, that doesn't have to be how we might do things in the future.
Marc Rexen: They are far better than they used to be.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: randomizing default avatars give interesting looks
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Path
Praxislady Witt: There are free Asian (m/f) avatars at the NCI site that has been there for a while!
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I got one looked like a cross between Frank Zappa and David Bowie
Pathfinder Linden: Marc, the newer default avatars are better than before because we started licensing ones that Residents created. That's why they are nice. :)
Doomsday Sorbet: I think the best communities have both free - opensource items and crafted items that cost money. A basic range of skintones should be available at first rez.
Olivia Hotshot: Praxislady, if you could post the SLURL that would be wonderful.
Anetha Gyranaut: And black ones at NCI
Anetha Gyranaut: also mid brown
Anetha Gyranaut: but a range of skin tones IS available at first rez
Brielle Coronet: got to run now but ty for a great discussion
Olivia Hotshot: So, again (restating to be heard) what is one piece advice you would give about creating a professional persona?
Avitar Digfoot: @Olivia - first impressions? still important in SL? physical look or behaviors important? or both
Kali Pizzaro: @ Olivia probably to make them look like themselves and have another avatar for social outings
Doomsday Sorbet: There is so much choice in SL. You don;t have to *be* anything. You can change anytime... That is why I wonder if looking professional is so imprtant, here.
Olivia Hotshot: ahh here come the answers!
Alana Steamweaver: Well, I should be running as well. Thank you all for the chat!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: again I hate to set parameters for this..it is up to each individual
Margaret Michalski: I usually pick clothing based on what I would possibly wear in RL to work
CathyWyo1 Haystack: you can make suggested guidelines for you institution
Doomsday Sorbet: I look past *looks* because it is about being creative
Margaret Michalski: or even just around
Eliasdehart Sixpence: depends what I want to communicate
Birdie Newcomb: To look professional in SL, the only way I've seen is to buy stuff. I've spent hours trying just to look normal, and failed.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: based upon appearances
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but it depends on what you are doing in sl @Eliadehart right
Olivia Hotshot chuckles at Birdie
Doomsday Sorbet: but... I do have a nice conservative suit...
Birdie Newcomb: But looking professional, is that a real goal?
Margaret Michalski: you don't necessarily have to buy
Kali Pizzaro: depends what you teach if you expect the students to prepare for a profession and you expect them to dress in a certain way in rl you may want them to do the same in sl
Marc Rexen: I think looking professional is important, yes.
AstroGrl Enzo: I would suggest to someone for a "professional" avitar to have fun with it. Be respectful, don't have your "parts" hanging out, just have fun with it. Keep your personality and that will come through.
Avitar Digfoot: I have some free stuff I haven't worn, and I wouldn't want to wear it in RL either
Hattie Haystack: @ Kali - I agree with you
Margaret Michalski: it is a matter of combining things someway
Marc Rexen: People really do treat you different if you're in ripped jeans Vs. street clothes Vs a tuxedo.
Tuxedo Ninetails: @Olivia: Best not to give advice unless requested, then just explain what I have done and what I found out. Everyone needs to find themselves in this world.
Margaret Michalski: You have to be patient to find free professional clothing.
Olivia Hotshot: My advice would be to let your "true" self shine through. Keep your rl personality and the rest will fall into place regardless of look, but it might take longer for people to find it if you look way off beat.
Margaret Michalski: Agreed with Olivia
Geoff Lumley: @ Olivia - the best advice I could give to anyone about projecting a professional persona is to remember that everyone you talk to - even the most irritating griefer - is a human being. Everyone deserves respect, though some more than others :-)
Avitar Digfoot: so what is way off beat< Olivia
Birdie Newcomb: Most of the Lindens seem offbeat.
Birdie Newcomb: 8=)
Olivia Hotshot: Avitar, i have yet to find that out. Sometimes when i think i am off beat, i find i am vanilla. =)
Pathfinder Linden: Birdie, wha??
Anetha Gyranaut: NCI Plaza Kuula 55,168,29
Zotarah Shepherd: I am learning to make clothing so I can make professional modest editable clothing for myself and other teachers.
Kali Pizzaro: also it is how they act but i would not expect them to be scantly clad
Pathfinder Linden: no, i resemble that remark
Olivia Hotshot: Perhaps a glowing ball avatar? maybe that? who knows!
Birdie Newcomb: It's part of the culture.
Pathfinder Linden: lol
Pathfinder Linden: good point, Birdie
Anetha Gyranaut: I think we have to accept that our students will see our avs as something we WANT to be
Olivia Hotshot: As always Path, you and George and the rest of your errrr family, are always great and welcome guests here.
Birdie Newcomb: Interesting people tend to look interesting -- such as the Sloodelers
Pathfinder Linden: ty Olivia
Pathfinder Linden: our pleasure being here
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Zotarah Shepherd: I like to see uniqueness in our avatars.
Avitar Digfoot: @anetha, that may not be a bad thing
Margaret Michalski: maybe one meet should e devoted to coming as your most proessionl self.
Jarrad Voom: Got to run now thank you everyone
Olivia Hotshot: @Margaret - i like that one
Avitar Digfoot: EEek. It would take me a long time to get ready!
Margaret Michalski: then we can get an idea of how easy or difficulty it is to be professional in SL
Kali Pizzaro: no scrubs hehe
Anetha Gyranaut: i think it is a good thing to be what we want to be and not just what we are
Kali Pizzaro: cross infection
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Hattie Haystack: @ Kali - LOL
Profdan Netizen: I don't tend to wear "professional" attire in RL at school, so don't really do so here.
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
Avitar Digfoot: No matter what...like being "safe" and welcomed.
Olivia Hotshot: Or what others perceive as professional. Where i work it is rare to see anyone in a suit. I wear flip flops and shorts in the summer, as do most of my colleagues.
Doomsday Sorbet: I was so happy to find these painted up clogs after wearing all those freebie stiletto heels
Pathfinder Linden: I think virtual worlds create truly new concepts of faces of professionalism that are contextually relevant. as a neuroscientist, I think it would be totally professional for my avatar in SL to be a giant neuron in a brain simulation in a class. do I need a suit and tie to be a professional?
Zotarah Shepherd: If you have outfits set up in files you just choose the file and Add to Outfit. Instant change!
Olivia Hotshot: NO! path -
Praxislady Witt: Thank you, Anetha for giving the SLURL. I crashed and just got back when I saw you r reply...
Olivia Hotshot: no suits
Avitar Digfoot: Love the giant neuron idea, path
Kali Pizzaro: at prof it depends what you teach in nursing there is an expectation to look neat and tidy and clean hehe
Pathfinder Linden runs off to make a giant neuron avatar with a tie
Profdan Netizen: Good point, Kali,
Pathfinder Linden: lol
Profdan Netizen: or business classes?
Olivia Hotshot: A robot with a tie, Path.
Margaret Michalski: we can have everyone come as their definition of professional
Pathfinder Linden: i like that idea
Hattie Haystack: @ Kali - yes, and the low cut tops in SL have really turned off my colleagues
Marc Rexen: Research shows that folks tend to be more professional and open and themselves as human AV's.
Kali Pizzaro: you can always tell the computer guys at a meeting hehe tshirts and long hair ( only joking before i get attacked hehe)
Olivia Hotshot: OK, i have one last idea - off the cuff so to speak - and perhaps this will flop, but lets try.......If you have a SLURL that would help others find better avatars, clothes, or attachments, please post it in chat?
Margaret Michalski: I never wear suits to work either
Kali Pizzaro: yeah hattie
Zotarah Shepherd: Some places have strict dress codes.
Doomsday Sorbet: must we even be humanoid to be professional? As Pathfinder said, out avatar could be inspired by out subjects...
Doomsday Sorbet: our...
Margaret Michalski: we should run it past AJ for future meetings
Pathfinder Linden: i think the more contextually relevant your avatar, the more you appear professional.
Marc Rexen: The question should be, what does it do to how you think about yourself, and what does it do to what others think about you.
Pathfinder Linden: it's all about context in my opinion
Doomsday Sorbet: @Zotarah, in RL or SL?
Zotarah Shepherd: Both
Marc Rexen: Nice to say "accept me for what I am," but socialization plays strongly here.
Margaret Michalski: we have 5 minutes remaining
Zotarah Shepherd: Many places in SL have dress codes.
Doomsday Sorbet: teachers have been dressing up for years to inspire students.
Pathfinder Linden: but environments and identity are more malleable in SL, so being contextually relevant has infinite possibilities.
Praxislady Witt: Maybe a few good professionally dressed avatars until the person becomes comfortable with the environment and decides to change as many of us have?
Birdie Newcomb: OK, gotta go. Good discussion.
Marc Rexen: If the individual is ready for it Pathfinder...if they're ready.
Olivia Hotshot: Avatar Shop: http://slurl.com/secondlife/University%20of%20Cincinnati/79/23/24
Doomsday Sorbet: yes context is everything. And, you can fly in as a dragon, teach in a suit and leave as a giant ant id you wish.
Pathfinder Linden: Marc, I agree. you must walk before running.
Marc Rexen: Seems to take quite a long time to long beyond the AV and into the person.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: contextually relevant also depends upon purpose, does it not?
Doomsday Sorbet: yes, and audience.
Praxislady Witt: Comfort level should be considered with context.
Zotarah Shepherd: I saw an avatar that shows all the muscles and bones under the skin. I thought that would be appropriate for a biology class.
Alan Sandalwood: Goodbye all
Eliasdehart Sixpence: @ doomsday: yes I agree
Kali Pizzaro: ok folks it is 11.30pm in Bonnie Scotland so i am off. Great discussion Olivia and Margaret well done
Profdan Netizen: Cool, Zotarah.
Pathfinder Linden: Zotarah, oh, that is awesome!
Aquiel Aero: Designing Nicky Ree Main Store, Tropical Orchid (230, 128, 30)
Kali Pizzaro: Aj Aj whohehe
Kali Pizzaro: he will kill me for that one
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Aquiel
Avitar Digfoot: HOw do I get notes so I can see SLRULs?
Avitar Digfoot: I'm off! Thank you~!
Margaret Michalski: any other comments on the topic of avatars?
Doomsday Sorbet: does accepting unusual avatars lead to greater acceptance of differences in RL?
Olivia Hotshot: Well everyone, the meeting is drawing to a close. Our fearless leader, AJ, will be back from paris and ready to roll next week. Iggy will post the transcript when he is back from London, and the slurls will be there for you to click.
Zotarah Shepherd: I wore an outfit with orbiting planets for an outer space theme once.
Marc Rexen: Yes.
Pathfinder Linden: thank you for hosting, Olivia
Doomsday Sorbet: thanks everybody. another great conversation. :-)
Marc Rexen: When everyone talked normally to the demon this morning, the new resident realized he wasn't to be feared.
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Linden's for coming
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Olivia. Great discussion everyone.
George Linden: Thanks so much for hosting, Olivia/Iggy!
Olivia Hotshot: Youre very welcome.
Anetha Gyranaut: thank you -- my first session here
Margaret Michalski: with AJ gone I was not sure if anyone would come
Anetha Gyranaut: and the first time I have met any Lindens
Hattie Haystack: thank you Olivia
Eliasdehart Sixpence: very good discussion. Thanks Olivia and thanks everyone.
Kimbeau Surveryor: apologies for late arrival
Zotarah Shepherd: Welcome Anetha
Hattie Haystack: and Lindens
Praxislady Witt: Olivia, could you capture the dialog for me in a notecard and drop in my inventory after this meeting. I crashed an lost good information before was able to return? Thanks,
Marc Rexen: ...there were meetings before AJ...you know...:)
Profdan Netizen: Well, we all want to support Olivia as well!!
Margaret Michalski: Thanks you all for coming
Margaret Michalski: Great job Olivia
Kali Pizzaro: toodle loo
Olivia Hotshot: All of the transcript will be made public very soon.
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Margaret. I am glad you were riding shot gun.
Praxislady Witt: Great, thank you all...
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Profdan
Doomsday Sorbet: bye all
Pathfinder Linden: take care folks
Margaret Michalski: Iggy will not be back for a couple weeks. So, there may be some delay
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks for doing this Olivia
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Path
Olivia Hotshot: Welcome Tux =)
Marc Rexen: Thanks.
Raloc Dorado: Bye everyone thanks
Tuxedo Ninetails: Bye all!
Olivia Hotshot: Margaret, I will let you lock up. =) Thanks for coming everyone!
Margaret Michalski: Thanks everyone
Margaret Michalski: Sure
Margaret Michalski: I will be heading off soon
Profdan Netizen: Night all.
Margaret Michalski: and I will send Iggy the transcripts of today's meeting
(Iggy's Note: origin of a bald-headed freak. Thanks, Tempy, for the dreads)
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye See you next week.
Margaret Michalski: I hope all of you can make it every week
Margaret Michalski: See you all next week