Topic: Increasing our Ranks
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our topic today is Increasing our Ranks.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
AJ Brooks: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: opps - forgot to update that URL
AJ Brooks: can you toss the new URL into chat for us Iggy?
Alan Sandalwood: sorry
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: TY, Iggy
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
AJ Brooks: Speaking of announcements, there is a new addition for educators to the CHSSSouth Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: Just outside the Amphitheater, to the east side of the stairs (to the right as you head out), is a bulletin board.
AJ Brooks: Educators are welcome to add notes about events and other short term items to the board.
AJ Brooks: Click the top notecard giver to details and important instruction to follow on how to leave a note for others.
AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
AJ Brooks: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: oh - and our new Quidditch pitch :-)
AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University
AJ Brooks: and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology http://slurl.com/secondlife/Outreach/221/206/28
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Professor at Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI, teaching fy comp and creative writing, online for 12 years, first time using SL in class starting in Fall.
Kali Pizzaro: Lecturer in Nursing in Scotland
Firery Broome: University of Delaware - User Services, Faculty Support, I run the UD islands and help faculty and students use second life in their class.
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL, and am the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio.
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Mentor and Science Program Community Facilitator, Western Governors University www.wgu.edu
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe, LRC Supervisor, Tulsa Community College
Vic Michalak: Phil Youngblood, CIS Dept Head, U of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio, TX...
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills.
Deb Quintessa: Debbie Newman, Working Relationships - Independent Consultant - Corporate Instructional Designer and Training Facilitator
Niall Fearguis: Vancouver Island University, Faculty of Management
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read, University of Leeds, UK
Rob Fossett: Bob Foster, retired after 38 years in education JK to adult. Belleville, Ontario.
Dyllan Denimore: Vancouver Island University,
Dusty Artaud: Randi Kopp, Marketing Consultant, Kidsbridge Tolerance Museum NY/NJ
Saleta Telling: I'm a part time employee of a small rural library cooperative. I volunteerd to learn SL in order to explain it to our staff and any patrons who are interested. Since home schoolers and charter schools use our services, I am also exploring the educational links.
AJ Brooks: I see some more hands typing....
Jetty Shoreman: Hamline University Law School, adjunct prof. Former science prof at U. S. Car.
Belmedia Penucca: Belinha De Abreu, Teaching Professor and Media Literacy Educator, ISchool -Drexel Univeristy
Hypatia Pickens: Hello, I just joined you.
Kayako Mayako: Kay McLennan, faculty member & acting director of online learning at Tulane University (School of Continuing Studies)
Hypatia Pickens: things are still rezzing.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL.
America Bilasimo: I teach Spanish at South TExas College
AJ Brooks: excellent
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
Fred Brecher: is Fred Hagemeister, Coordinator, Academic Technologies, CTLT, University of Richmond
Professor Noarlunga: Scott Diener, Assoc Dir IT Services and teach psychology
AgileBill Firehawk: Bill Krebs, Agile Software Engineering trainer, AgileDimensions, LLC
ericcgcc Yootz: eric greene adjunct faculty columbia gorge comm coll
Hypatia Pickens: My name is Hypatia Pickens. I teach at the University of Rochester.
H3thr Swashbuckler: Heather Wiech, recent graduate of Univ of Pittsburgh MPIA program
Ungo Azambuja: jim pangborn, adjunct in English, SUNY Oswego
AJ Brooks: wowo - what a great diverse group
Hypatia Pickens: I recognize Zotarah Shepherd. :)
AJ Brooks: anyone else to introduce themself?
AJ Brooks: going once
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we all recognize Zo...she's unforgettable!
Zotarah Shepherd waves to Hypatia
AJ Brooks: twice
AJ Brooks: sold to the Vampire in the dark glasses!
AJ Brooks: ok - before we get started today
AgileBill Firehawk: hi Zo!
Hypatia Pickens waves back at Zotarah!
Zotarah Shepherd chuckles
AJ Brooks: one last call to the folks in the theater seats
AJ Brooks: comes on down a join us
AJ Brooks: there is plenty of room
AJ Brooks: the empty chairs are on the side of the table closest to the access ramp
Espanol Basico Tema 20 whispers: Touch contents to turn pages, touch cover for menu ...
AJ Brooks: so - today's topic
Eliasdehart Sixpence is leaving soon so will stay in the stands today. :-)
Kali Pizzaro: hey jokay
AJ Brooks: Expanding our Ranks
AJ Brooks: how do we introduce SL to our colleagues
jokay Wollongong: hiya kali ;)
AJ Brooks: how do we deal with the ridicule! LOL
Hypatia Pickens: Well exactly Al
AJ Brooks: what have others done
hobbs Constantine: snickers
America Bilasimo: are you talking or we just read? i dont hear anything
AJ Brooks: well - Hypatia, we all get it at one time or another
Hypatia Pickens: I'd like to go to voice too
AJ Brooks: Pioneers are always easy to spot
AJ Brooks: they have the arrows in their back
Hypatia Pickens: Most of the time, Al, from other academics
hobbs Constantine: LOL targets
AJ Brooks: So, I think the best way to start
AJ Brooks: is to find out WHY you want to even mention this to your colleagues in the first place
Saleta Telling: I was sent to a class because no one else on our staff wanted to go. My fellow staffers think my enthusiasm is because I was bored with RL.
Hypatia Pickens: HA!
AJ Brooks: Sent to a class?
AJ Brooks: what do you mean, sent to a class, Saleta?
Olivia Hotshot: Hello Everyone!
Saleta Telling: Yes. A local library association taught an introduction to SL. Mostly how to sign up and dress your avatar.
Profdan Netizen: Hey, Olivia.
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Hypatia Pickens: And here we are, dressed just like in real life.
AJ Brooks: Oh - so they sent you to investigate SL because they though you were bored?
Jetty Shoreman: What about, I read an article in a well-known journal by someone who taught a class here that was really well-received?
Kali Pizzaro: our principal hired a team to come in and join our researchers to explore SL for learning and teaching
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I JUST left English as a field, after 20+ years, to begin work in our Department of Rhetoric and
Communications Studies (as of today). They "get" SL as a new form of communication. They don't see VWs as just a car-brand.
AJ Brooks: Well, Jetty, there is certainly a large and growing body of good research
Saleta Telling: LOL. No. Because as a rural library in a conservative area, the librarians worry about whether or not a site with "mature content" should be permitted on our public computers.
Professor Noarlunga: AJ, I think the WHY is that in order to see sustainable funding we must be able to generate interest among our colleagues
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Unlike the English Dept, they'll be easier to interest and recruit
Olivia Hotshot notes Iggy works for a rhetorical department
Kali Pizzaro: however, the technology does not work in all areas of the uni
Dusty Artaud: my ED wants to go virtual in some form and is letting me explore the possibilities for her.
hobbs Constantine: I heard Sarah Intellagirl's compelling presentations about what the next gen of college students would be and hustled over to SL
Hypatia Pickens: the reason I joined in the first place was because of a conference on media.
Grinn Pidgeon: I was on a panel presenting SL to faculty at the campus colloquium day. Now I'm following up with workshops.
Rob Fossett: I guess my answer is that we need to get past the type of instruction where kids learn about Medieval times by building cardboard castles and trebuchets to fire marshmallows. Why can't they come to SL and be part of a Medieval village community?
Hypatia Pickens: Then I saw the possibilities for making a representation of our medieval library.
AgileBill Firehawk: cool
Hypatia Pickens: Which I did.
Hypatia Pickens: The Robbins Library.
Hypatia Pickens: I learned building skills.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hypatia-simulations are the most compelling reasons to be here...good work!
AJ Brooks: Wow - what a passionate and spirited response from people, excellent
Espanol Basico Tema 20 whispers: Intelli Book menu dialog has timed out.
Belmedia Penucca: I'm looking at SL from the idea of gaming literacy and how integral it is for this generation of students. As an educator of educator, we need to be more involved.
Vic Michalak: You have to get a portfolio of decent articles on SL... not the ones that "fashionably" diss this place... which I am sorry to say seem to be the "professional" mags/journals... Then you have to find someone's interest and SHOW them SL... (but plan it first, just as in RL)....
Jetty Shoreman: I know of two people doing mediation role plays here with law students
Kali Pizzaro: i am looking at clinical problem based learning scenarios and a heart sounds simulator
Hypatia Pickens: I do enjoy Journal of VW and Research.
Hypatia Pickens: Is that "diss" kind of work?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah the journal is good
AJ Brooks: its funny - our academic colleagues want us to forget main stream media for serous academic research, but yet they are more then willing to rely on that for critiquing virtual worlds
jokay Wollongong: I've been doing demos for edus in Australia since 06... and the most effective strategy has been a) case studies that are linked to real projects inworld that peeps can visit... and b) including meetups with inworld academics and practitioners as part of demos and c) good web based resources for follwup - eg links to journals/research/community
Hypatia Pickens: I am an associate editor of a burgeoning article called JVWE Journal of VW and Education.
Aimee Pixelmaid: I'm in Corporate Training. We're exploring betters ways to deliver distance learning.
Profdan Netizen: Esp. if it's about sex, AJ.
Hypatia Pickens: We are inviting submissions.
Hypatia Pickens: Also calls for editors.
Grinn Pidgeon: Oh, and I give all the workshop participants some Lindens$$$
Niall Fearguis: It's the potential of SL for all kinds of representation that will likely emerge as a strength.
Belmedia Penucca: Is there a link Hypatia
AJ Brooks: Hypatia, I hope you'll post something about that on our bulletin board outside the amphitheater
Hypatia Pickens: Yes.... just a second....
Kayako Mayako: Hypatia, I am interested in a SLurl (or more) to your builds -- if they are open to the public?
Aimee Pixelmaid: Yes, me too
Olivia Hotshot: unfortunately you can have all the "want" in the world to do it, but in my humble estimation, it will be budget crunches that get the admins on board - provided the assessment of the environment says it is "just as good" as face to face experiences - nothing like a "good" crisis to promote change
Hypatia Pickens: Yes. Of course!
Hypatia Pickens: But the library is located on Talis Island where you have a double tp.... :(
AgileBill Firehawk: I'd love to help w/ submissions or research - I teach RL topics in SL, not just cheaper, but it's better due to immersion - everything's better in 3D!
Hypatia Pickens: Look at my profile.
Hypatia Pickens: Hey thanks Agile.
AJ Brooks: so - so far we have two reasons.....good pedagogy, per research already being done, and budget reasons
Kali Pizzaro: distance
Profdan Netizen: Yeah, budget's going to be a real problem in the next couple years, Olivia.
Dusty Artaud: VR is where museum exhibitions are going, and since we are a rl interactive museum we believe are well suited for VR.
Hypatia Pickens: Yes.... distance.,,,
Jetty Shoreman: AJ - will the record of this chat be archived?
Hypatia Pickens: I will save it... I save my chats
Kali Pizzaro: internatinilisation of the curriculm i think they call it upstairs hehe
AJ Brooks: Yes - all of our transcripts are archived
Hypatia Pickens: but an archive is better... obviously
AJ Brooks: I'll scroll back into local and get the link, one moment
Hypatia Pickens: www.jvweducation.org
Hypatia Pickens: JVWE
Jetty Shoreman: So if you put the url in the record Hypatia, we can all retrieve it from here if nowhere else
AJ Brooks: http://virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the new shiny transcript site!
AJ Brooks: Our wonderful scribe, Iggy, does a bang up job on these
Hypatia Pickens: For the Robbins library link....
jokay Wollongong: you can turn on chat logging in your prefs and record it to your hard drive ;) Edit>Prefs>Communication
Vic Michalak: VWs are the 24/7 conference of the future... good place to learn and network and collaborate.... Also visualization in a dynamic, interactive, multimedia way... unparalleled access to persons at all levels of interest and expertise...
Alan Sandalwood: Ty for the site address
Olivia Hotshot: i prefer Iggy's transcript =)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hell, I'm giddy today. goodbye, literary theory, hello technorhetorical theory!
Belmedia Penucca: Cheaper than traveling
Vic Michalak: Yes, ask IBM....
AgileBill Firehawk: and it's not just the prims and sims, it's the professional contacts we make that make this a powerful environment, imho
Hypatia Pickens: hello technorhetorical theory!!!
Hypatia Pickens: haha
Hypatia Pickens: Exactly Agile
Jetty Shoreman: How successful are the RL businesses in SL really? Is that a selling point?
Alan Sandalwood: Can work from home when sick if necessary
AJ Brooks: ok - so anyone who wants to introduce virtual worlds to their colleagues can refer to this transcript for ammunition. Have any of you done it already and, if so, were you successful and what did you do?
Aimee Pixelmaid: lol - saves a lot of time and inconvenience from traveling
Olivia Hotshot: does anyone think that community building bonds are stronger when formed in SL than LMS environments?
Vic Michalak: I must admit that my SL networking life is much richer than my RL one....
AJ Brooks: I do, Olivia
Aimee Pixelmaid: we have done 3 demos.... 2 for execs and 2 for other corporate trainers
Profdan Netizen: That's what needs selling, Olivia.
Hypatia Pickens: That's a hard question.
AJ Brooks: and I have a class I taught that proved it to me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No one I've introduced has taught in SL :(
AgileBill Firehawk: agree - SL > lms / rl
Aimee Pixelmaid: i have also presented at IDLA on SL
Olivia Hotshot: me too AJ - and i think memory building is stronger - another reason to have experiences in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we hope the House of Usher will bring one or two in at Richmond
Hypatia Pickens: My university (University of Rochester) is engaging in a big conference or a series of conferences on the New Media.
Hypatia Pickens: they recognize NM as a hot new topic...
AJ Brooks: Students in the hybrid class I taught using SL said, at the end, that they were going to miss seeing each other each week (although they were not going to miss the classwork)
Hypatia Pickens: but they seem uninterested in Second Life
Dusty Artaud: brought my boss in to a presentation she would not have been able to attend any other way.
AgileBill Firehawk: like I was uninterested in twitter a few months ago - they may come around
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hypatia, just in SL, uninterested? or in all virtual worlds?
AJ Brooks: Hypatia, they've yet to see compelling examples of how well SL works
Profdan Netizen: Retention increase could be a valuable selling point.
Vic Michalak: Biggest deterrent from trying this right now is steep learning curve and epidemic "too busy" factor... must find existing successful sites and collaborate or learn from them... like this forum.... do not reinvent the wheel...
Rob Fossett: No luck with promoting this in RL. It's not that it's out of the skill set of people I know. It is just not seen as having the potential I see in it.
Dyllan Denimore: I have just done a workshop and brought 16 new colleagues in.. but i am worried many of them will drop off without a very positive and compelling experience. Plus the learning curve seems high for some. What can we do to address that?
Dyllan Denimore: Agree with Vic
Hypatia Pickens: For them: gaming, FaceBook, twitter, the Internet.
Zotarah Shepherd: You all know the NMC Conference starts tomorrow night?
Aimee Pixelmaid: our biggest obstacle right now is not being able to get to SL from behind our firewall
Olivia Hotshot: agrees with the retention comment from @profdan
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I did convince one or two colleagues at NITLE to try SL with students
Hypatia Pickens: sorry AJ... missed your question.
Aimee Pixelmaid: do you have a link for info on the NMC Conference?
Niall Fearguis: I'm one of Dylan's 16
Kayako Mayako: I am having more success with Tom Sawyer's approach to whitewashing a fence versus trying to "sell" SL. That is, not only am I really busy with all things SL, I am a bit tired to trying to convince the folks that don't get it or don't want to get it. Plenty of my colleagues do get it!
Hypatia Pickens: They are trying to find a means to reach and educate
Dyllan Denimore: Hi Niall..nice to see you!
Profdan Netizen: Is the conference in world?
jokay Wollongong: Connecting to the network of educators inworld is key.... think that has really helped with improving the number of follow-up visits I see from our workshop participants
Hypatia Pickens: through what they think are the most common NM routes for students.
Olivia Hotshot: @Zotarah - i sure do and i cannot travel to it - even though it is "right next door" my co-worker is presenting with Brett Cristie
Vic Michalak: We need "wii" interface or new Microsoft(?) voice and movement type interface (heard about that from COMDEC?)....
Zotarah Shepherd: Just a sec I'll get the schedule URL for you
Hypatia Pickens: To them SL is a mall....
Zotarah Shepherd: Some of it is in SL.
Belmedia Penucca: It seems that NMC had difficulty getting attendees .. they are offering many SL workshops
AJ Brooks: I've come to the conclusion, you can't sell SL to anyone - you have to be an "assistant buyer", help them make a buying decision as to why virtual worlds are the right tool
Hypatia Pickens: and they find my enthusiasm in it slightly dopey
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, Hypatia, show them some good edu builds
Vic Michalak: Must be better interface and more reliable bandwidth/less lag...
Rob Fossett: Good comment about the Tom Sawyer approach, Kayako.
AJ Brooks: if you can't do that, then the tool might not be the right tool
Hypatia Pickens: I plan to give a talk on it next semester.
Hypatia Pickens: Still in progress
AgileBill Firehawk: maybe we could be 'biworldal' - teach in Sloodle get folks in moodle chat that arent' comfortable in 3d worlds, and get SLers w/ avis too. Gradually, moodlers will be jealous of the avis, which learn by proximity
Kali Pizzaro: i think you have to show folk how it works in an educational way then they see it
Olivia Hotshot: I have a question - do the people build/drive the experiences in SL or does the architecture?
Dusty Artaud: I am more successful when I show my boss other institutions that she respects who are already doing good stuff here
Vic Michalak: @AJ --- yes - "you can lead a horse to water, but...." --- if they do not "get" it, they will not get it until it becomes fashionable...
Hypatia Pickens: Great point Agile
Professor Noarlunga: I'm giving a conference workshop on the impacts of SL on HR policies in universities....this was invited! there is interest
AJ Brooks: Not for nothing, I spent four years in ROC, they are pretty conservative minded in many ways.
Hypatia Pickens: I was able to make the curator of the Robbins Library more respectful.
AJ Brooks: Generally speaking, obviously, not everyone
Kayako Mayako: I find students a bit different case that faculty. That is, in general students are more open to learning about the platform but just pressed for time. In turn, I keep resisting the notion of creating avatars for students but may break down and try an experiment (to create some avatars for students).
Hypatia Pickens: His fear was that SL would not draw the right attention to the library
Niall Fearguis: I have been thinking in terms of paralleling the RL classroom experience with a SL Virtual Learning Environment
Hypatia Pickens: to warrant spending 200 a year on it.
AgileBill Firehawk agrees - fashion will bring late comers. also, Niall - awesome
AJ Brooks: but 200$ a year, in an IT budget, is nothing
Vic Michalak: You have to get past the "game" factor OR convince people that you can learn from gaming....
Hypatia Pickens: Kayako... I don't know how students would access it easily
Olivia Hotshot: @Niall - for which kind of curriculum
Hypatia Pickens: I know, Aj!!!!
Hypatia Pickens: ha ha
Hypatia Pickens: they are chinchy.....
Kali Pizzaro: students can have problems with all vle blackboard etc
AJ Brooks: The issue of access to SL is somewhat of a red herring
Jetty Shoreman: Is the problem breaking the ice - holding a first class here for a given institution?
Hypatia Pickens: I'm in the English department,
H3thr Swashbuckler: I find may of my gamer friends dislike SL because they can't kill avatars like they can with Halo or whatever
Hypatia Pickens: Oh yes they can!
Kayako Mayako: I give my students the option of conducting discussions in SL (instead of in a Blackboard text discussion) and some go for it.
Kali Pizzaro: someone always says i could not get into bb i never saw the message or the work lol
AJ Brooks: it used to be a real problem, now I think it is just a scarecrow easily tossed onto the pile
Professor Noarlunga: yes they can!
Vic Michalak: Good riddance....
Niall Fearguis: What I teach: business oriented material, statistics, mgmt, computer apps.
jokay Wollongong: H3thr you need to take them to some roleplay sims ;)
Hypatia Pickens: right jokay
AJ Brooks: I think the REAL problem is......
Olivia Hotshot: @Niall - excellent! Lots of opportunity in sl to do that sort of thing
H3thr Swashbuckler: the meter systems are not as "enjoyable"
AJ Brooks: Faculty are using virtual worlds because they are cool and new and not because they are the right pedagogical tool
Vic Michalak: ....drumroll for AJ....
Niall Fearguis: Thanks Olivia
Kali Pizzaro: drum roll AJ
AJ Brooks: lol
Olivia Hotshot: =)
AJ Brooks: thanks for the drumroll guys
AJ Brooks: All too often, people put the technology ahead of the pedagogy
Kali Pizzaro: @Aj yes then they will drop it like a stone and folk that have useed it will be stuffed
Profdan Netizen: Or even looking at it as a tool rather than a place, AJ?
Kali Pizzaro: or seen as innovative hehe
Olivia Hotshot: @AJ - tiz the case with all sorts of tech - not just SL - the tendency to make it the swiss army knife of apps
Praxislady Witt: Most curious, you mentioned pedagogy tool, how is this referenced for SL?
Professor Noarlunga: disagree with ya on that AJ
Belmedia Penucca: true, but sometimes the technology affords you the opportunity to disperse the pedagogy.
Vic Michalak: @AJ... I teach computers, but I do not agree with you completely on that... That is generally true of new tech, but this IS a great pedagogical tool for many reasons....
Professor Noarlunga: technology doesn't come about as a result of pedagogy per se
AJ Brooks: Oliva, agreed - my statement was meant to be more general
Zotarah Shepherd: http://www.nmc.org/2009-summer-conference/view-schedule Free and first 65 get in to the Conference.
jokay Wollongong: I think sometimes the 'cool factor' is actually a barrier... people see it as a fad not as a real and useful tool
Kali Pizzaro: in the Uk the public need to catch up not that well know yet
AgileBill Firehawk: At first I thought it was cool, now I realize I'm learning faster and in new ways due to Virtual World constructs.. I think it's good to verbalize the effects to our stakeholders. Yet there are also hazards (reaches for his garlic)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I tend to agree with AJ..though it's changed here for the better in the last 6-7 years
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we now put pedagogy first again
Professor Noarlunga: exploring technologies like SL is part of what educators do to SEE where it might be useful
Kayako Mayako: Related to AJ's comments, I thought distance education continuing education students would like to have an e-campus experience in SL (dances, ice skating, etc.) however, so far this seems to be the thing they want the most. In contrast, students are most keen for faculty office hours in SL.
AJ Brooks: SL is a teaching tool, even if it is the platform on which the teaching is occurring
Praxislady Witt: Define the pedagogy used in SL/other tech, please?
Hypatia Pickens: Interesting.
Kali Pizzaro: i think it is ideal for reconstructivism
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Praxis, your name is the key
Kali Pizzaro: especially pbl
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Theory + Practice in 3D simulations
Vic Michalak: The "new tech" syndrome does not last... but SL is becoming increasingly important to education/research/collaboration.... has to be something here...
Kali Pizzaro: constructivism
Olivia Hotshot: Praxislady - i believe it is as wide and varied as it is in rl - but it does lend well to constructivism
AJ Brooks: defining the pedagogy used in SL is like asking to define the pedagogy used in vcr tapes - its not the tool, its the numerous ways it can be used (properly and improperly)
Hypatia Pickens: by constructivism you mean....?
Praxislady Witt: Yes, but soooo much is referenced to it but is it clearly understood in context of SL?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: collaborative learning w/ teacher as "creative co-investigator" to use Freire's term
Hypatia Pickens: thanks...
Hypatia Pickens: very important.
Hypatia Pickens: get tired of lecturing .... being the feeder....lol
Kali Pizzaro: building or scaffolding on knowledge until you create new knowledge
Vic Michalak: @AJ... agree... cannot just leap in without knowing where you are leaping or why... except to get acquainted.... have taught three international classes for credit here...
Hypatia Pickens: I have in mind a sim that would represent not replace a text...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lecture is a Cartesian artifact that should be left out of VWs
Kali Pizzaro: acknowledge previous experience
Hypatia Pickens: I know!
Profdan Netizen: I wonder, though. LMS is a tool, MS Word is a tool, a browser is a tool. But isn't SL more--a place, something that has been missing in online ed?
AJ Brooks: lecture has its place here
Ignatius Onomatopoeia gets lectured to by AJ :D
AJ Brooks: lol
Hypatia Pickens: I think that SL teaching would be better if we didn't have rl looking classrooms
Niall Fearguis: A VLE supported in SL can facilitate many levels of constructivism: interacting with the VLE itself and with others in the VLE
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I agree--such as our first-of-the-month voice sessions
AJ Brooks: regularly, right?
Olivia Hotshot: i think there is a place for lecture in SL
Vic Michalak: SL ---IS--- a place, an experience, an extension of RL, not just a tool...
Kali Pizzaro: haha sometimes you need to start with a modified lecture to get the first piece of info over
Professor Noarlunga: technologies like this drive innovation in teaching...look at all the ideas that you are all throwing out here!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I want my students to come here and make stuff, while they explore
AJ Brooks: we have no campus looking classroom here on MSU
Hypatia Pickens: I do too Ig
Niall Fearguis: Lecturing certainly has a place in SL
AJ Brooks: except our two amphitheaters
Hypatia Pickens: Right....
Hypatia Pickens: but what we don't want to do...
Vic Michalak: Even "lecturing" has evolved here.... I have seen it over the last two years...
Hypatia Pickens: is turn SL into a realistic replica of RL
Hypatia Pickens: That is ignoring the visual and 3D possibilities of SL...
Kali Pizzaro: no talk and chalk would defeat the purpose
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Niall, I'd like to hear how it works well here with students. Perhaps for a class that does not meet face-to-face
Hypatia Pickens: Exactly....
Professor Noarlunga: so I don't believe it is a matter of 'putting pedagogy first'...just not that simple
Olivia Hotshot: then why are people in chairs - our avatars certainly don't get tired - isn't it to replicate what people know and keep "order"?
Hypatia Pickens: why not walk into books? Help students build those kinds of sims
Vic Michalak: too boring... need to keep imagination factor in SL... not just a facsimile of RL...
Hypatia Pickens: Olivia, that could be a starting point
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my students are on a residential campus. We can easily lecture to them IRL
Hypatia Pickens: Exactly Vic
Niall Fearguis: Does not have to reflect the 'traditional' method.
AJ Brooks: I think there are acceptable norms that put people into a place where thy can act and think in certain ways. This is why we want to sit down. We feel uncomfortable if we are not sitting down
Jetty Shoreman: My problem is spin-up: how to get students in here for something meaningful in a very short time
Niall Fearguis: Leverage the power of a VLE to enhance the lecture.
Hypatia Pickens: I loved the Van Gogh representations when they were here
AgileBill Firehawk: I like 2 levels - one that clings to the RL classroom metaphore and Powerpoint for VW newbies - they need comfort of the familiar. Then you can take them to the abstract - classrooms like Decka's Decks - designed for a teaching purpose rather than physical constraint. Data presentation tools like ThinkBalms' data garden. The abstract tools are cool, but not for beginners yet I think. You need both!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Niall--true--a lecturer here can, say, produce a 1/1 scale car to make a point
Hypatia Pickens: And the other problem: are they going to OCD on SL?
Vic Michalak: This is a rich environment where you can create what is in your head... not just replicate the limits of RL...
Praxislady Witt: So, wouldn't andogogy be more appropriate??
Kali Pizzaro: i think the key is to see sl as a adjunct to several other media and f2f. one tool does not always do everything
Hypatia Pickens: I did
AJ Brooks: Jtty - we had an entire meeting on students in SL - check the transcript archive, I think you'll find that session useful
Olivia Hotshot: however - some things from RL need to be kept - once saw a talk given by a person who stood on an ocean - and the participants kept falling in where the transparent prim ended
Vic Michalak: @Kali... agree...
Jetty Shoreman: ty AJ
Kayako Mayako: To Hypatia, e-speaking of walk-in books, did the "Fahrenheit 451" sim find a home?
jokay Wollongong: agree Kali... use the full suite of 2d and 3d available.. best tool for best purpose
Ignatius Onomatopoeia misses Bradburyville
Hypatia Pickens: I don't know....
Kali Pizzaro: exactly
Hypatia Pickens: that was before I came on.
Niall Fearguis: How about a walk 'in' a virtual ocean to study marine life.
Hypatia Pickens: I've been to the Dante sim.
Olivia Hotshot: two great projects
Hypatia Pickens: now there you go!
Kayako Mayako: Iggy, do you know if Bradburyville has a new home?
AJ Brooks: what are some of your favorite EDU builds?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't know, Kayako...I'll get the NWN URL now
Hypatia Pickens: Macbeth sim.
jokay Wollongong: The Sleducation wiki i created came out of a need for examples in workshops.. we started collecting case studies for workshops..
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The Rezzable Tut project ROCKS...
Jetty Shoreman: How do you get past the criticism from people who really know SL that the students will be exposed to things, let's say, not usual in a classroom environment
jokay Wollongong: and it's grown into 100 + examples ;_ http://sleducation.wikispaces.com
AJ Brooks: I"m partial to The Theorist Project
Kali Pizzaro: it also depends on your students and what level you are teaching
Kayako Mayako: Love the new King Tut sim!!!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Kings%20Rezzable/128/128/22
Olivia Hotshot: the Tut sim is an example of exemplary work
Profdan Netizen: But if our desire it to get others interested, and to use SL, then they have to see recognizable classroom activities, before they begin to accept more creative approaches.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The OpenSim build BLOWS SL away
jokay Wollongong: King Tut is so impressive.. love the way they've created navigation
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get you the URL for that too
hobbs Constantine: NASA
AJ Brooks: Jetty - tell people to grow up and think of the Internet (ok, skip the grow up part, but seriously!)
Kali Pizzaro: at prof indeed authentic
Hypatia Pickens: NASA indeed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Open Sim Tut build: http://heritage-key.com/virtual-experience
AgileBill Firehawk: an ISTE tour showed me a Cardiac learning sim - you got to hear and diagnose heart murmurs - patients on the table, etc
Kayako Mayako: Don't forget about NOAA -- a terrific build.
Hypatia Pickens: Ahhh!
Hypatia Pickens: I'll ask my cousin.
Hypatia Pickens: he's in NOAA
Kali Pizzaro: yeah that is what i am working on although the areas are on a bot
Hypatia Pickens: don't think he's on SL
AJ Brooks: exposed to things....please. I'm sorry, but I am SO tired of that excuse. I know people bring it up to us, but its SO old!
Kali Pizzaro: click on the correct anatomical area and you hear the murmurs
Dusty Artaud: ThinkBalm's Data Garden rocks for those who want to visualize research results
Jetty Shoreman: A U. of Dayton law school article advises having the students sign a waiver - similar to foreign travel
AgileBill Firehawk: yes
Kali Pizzaro: murmurs
AgileBill Firehawk: and Daden limited 'war room' - present google earth maps with data attached
Kayako Mayako: The NOAA sim has a real time walk on weather map, a rideable weather balloon, a rideable P3 Orion hurricane hunter airplane, and more...
Hypatia Pickens: It would be interesting to ask my cousin what he thinks of such a thing
jokay Wollongong: NOAA is a fantastic tool for first time workshops.. we've used it lots of times as a place to learn about clicking on things ;)
Hypatia Pickens: One of the most common remarks I get is "I don't have time!"
AJ Brooks: Didn't mean to unload about that Jetty, its not directed at you. Anyone who knows SL, and I mean, really knows it well, knows that the hype of "thing we shouldn't be seeing" is best left for the National Enquirer.
Hypatia Pickens: A huge fear of the learning curve....
Profdan Netizen: Good idea, Jokay,
Hypatia Pickens: and of the embarrassment of making an avatar.
AJ Brooks: So - what have YOU done that was successful in bringing colleagues in to SL, or at least introducing them to it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It might be best, Hypatia, do do as I did with students: help one-on-one as they create an avi, bring them in, and sit beside them in both worlds
jokay Wollongong: Avatar workshops are the best fun..everyone loves getting new hair and shoes. .hehe
Hypatia Pickens: ha ha
AgileBill Firehawk: lol
AgileBill Firehawk: *purrs*
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the first hour is crucial
Hypatia Pickens: I'm talking about colleagues.... their embarrassment.
AJ Brooks: Yes, today we are focusing on colleagues
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I mean colleagues
Kayako Mayako: Iggy, tell us more about your first hour recommendations...
Dyllan Denimore: @ Ignatius...more than the first hour...but agree
Hypatia Pickens: My colleagues are afraid it will consume them
Aimee Pixelmaid: I find out what their hobbies are and take them to a sim that I know will capture their imagination
AJ Brooks: The issue of students was covered in a past meeting, and I'm sure it will be again once we get the new schedule set up
Kali Pizzaro: talk about the ideas first and how it can be used then i show them and they go ooooohhhh that looks goood
Vic Michalak: @AJ... as if SL is supposed to be different than RL... or that kind of thing only existed here... this is just an extension of RL and the "omg" stuff is such as small part of it...
Olivia Hotshot: @Zotarah is a great resource for faculty training in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I will do that next time...meet them at their rez point, get them customized and have some laughs.
AJ Brooks: Yes, @vic
Jetty Shoreman: AJ - I was just repeating what people have asked me - the point here was to bring up hurdles to entry and how to overcome them
Kali Pizzaro: or ooohh that looks scary
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: get them freebies and take them to Richmond Island so they can make it their home location
Zotarah Shepherd blushes: Thanks
AJ Brooks: Yes, I know, Jetty - like I said, a sore point. Didn't mean to direct it at you. :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and don't start them at LL Orientation island
Hypatia Pickens: How should I interest faculty in SL attention to gender and race?
Hypatia Pickens: That's always a hot topic for them.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: get them into the NWC portal
Hypatia Pickens: Okay....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so you can be there too
AJ Brooks: ISTE Orientation is great for educators
Hypatia Pickens: What is it....? Sorry for my ignorance
Belmedia Penucca: True
AJ Brooks: not so much students, but teachers, etc... - its excellent
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true! I'm thinking students again
Kayako Mayako: NWC or NMC?
Hypatia Pickens: NWC
Belmedia Penucca: The Docents are amazing!
Hypatia Pickens: ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: New Media Consortiaum...NMC :)
Kali Pizzaro: yeah AJ and Sl roundatable of course hehe
AJ Brooks: NMC also has an orientation island
AgileBill Firehawk: ISTE is excellent
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Got the ISTE URL, AJ?
Hypatia Pickens: Oh.... you turned the M upside down.
AJ Brooks: :-) thx, Kali, for the plug
Kali Pizzaro: np
Hypatia Pickens: That's going on now.
Hypatia Pickens: Do you know if the NMC is playing in world?
Dusty Artaud: Virtual Ability island is excellent
AJ Brooks: hmm - I think I only have a LM
AJ Brooks: Yes - VA is the best one, I think - great for students, but has less about education
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: NMC portal is http://sl.nmc.org/join/
Vic Michalak: NMC is about 150 universities or more in a professional collaboration... NMC helps them in many ways, including building, for a price....
Dusty Artaud: true AJ
jokay Wollongong: Agree with iggy .. 1) give them stuff - avatars and tools 2) show them some key spaces (ISTE, NMC, Libraries, jokaydia).. 3) Help them meet someone - connect to an individual educator and show them groups so the can join the network 4) show in context examples - specific to your faculty/subject area 5) pathways for future visits: landmarks and urls for more info
Kali Pizzaro: it is places like this that you can network and learn of each other. I hope this will lead to international students maybe taking a class together
AJ Brooks: NMC has the largest continent dedicated to education in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have http://slurl.com/secondlife/ISTE%20Island/92/83/30 for ISTE
Hypatia Pickens: Yes.
AgileBill Firehawk: one question that bothers me a bit is if we become virtual in 10 years, do we need 150 universities all teaching the same thing? sorry. You do if people have to drive to class, but if it's all online maybe universities have to speicalize more
AJ Brooks: I have a notecard called PLACES TO SEE
Hypatia Pickens: Great neologism!
AJ Brooks: I've been working n it for a long time
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Virtual Ability Island is http://slurl.com/secondlife/Virtual%20Ability/128/128/2
AJ Brooks: I give it to every new person
Kali Pizzaro: We in the UK need to do more or wee are up in the middle of the night
Hypatia Pickens: HAHA Very kurzwil
Hypatia Pickens: I'm a new person.
Hypatia Pickens: sort of....
Hypatia Pickens: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Virtual Ability has a sign-up on the Web at: http://virtualability.org/signup.aspx
AJ Brooks: Anyone have a successful technique they've used to introduce SL to colleagues?
Kali Pizzaro: it is like anything drip drip drip until the penny drops
ericcgcc Yootz: why not skip the build part and just hand faculty a premade generc avatar?
Hypatia Pickens: I will know next year.
Vic Michalak: @Kali... did an international class with students in U.S. and France... hardest thing was the time zone difference... hard to overcome that even in SL...
Kali Pizzaro: also enthusiasm
Kali Pizzaro: yeah i get you Vic
Bees Ballinger: many interesting things here.. but would a moderator not be useful here? a little chaotic though...
Kali Pizzaro: i canne spell the nite
Kayako Mayako: Not exactly a technique but one of the first things I learned from reading the SLED list serve is to always have a back-up machinima clip when doing a live demo.
Kali Pizzaro: oh AJ
AgileBill Firehawk: 1 on 1 mentoring at first was what got me into SL.
Aimee Pixelmaid: @Kayako - Amen! LOL
Hypatia Pickens: That would be interesting... a workshop for colleagues.
Hypatia Pickens: We will be doing we hope a two year Humanities project on NM
Olivia Hotshot: AJ - one of the things I do - AFTER people can navigate - is bring them to a meeting here. This "proves" to colleagues that it is a viable professional forum
Profdan Netizen: Even snapshots can be valuable for a presentation to colleagues.
AJ Brooks: :-) WOw, thanks Olivia! :-)
Dyllan Denimore: @ Hypatia.. yes i did one..but its only a first step
Dusty Artaud: AJ, I sneak it up on them, " I can't go to your (stupid) meeting, I'm in a virtual meeting on "juicy subject" which you can't participate in if you are not a 'Member" of Second Life.
AJ Brooks: If I do a presentation, I only go live at the end, and even not then
Aimee Pixelmaid: LOL!!
Hypatia Pickens: I'll IM you Dyllan....
AJ Brooks: Murphy was an optimist
Vic Michalak: @AJ.... an associated community college is doing a class on nanotechnology in the Fall... I worked with them on the technlogy part... and then set them up with a rep from UK's National Physical Lab's "Nanotechnology Island" --- nothing beats collaborating with existing facilities... Currently I am doing the same for our School of Nursing and School of Pharmacy....
AgileBill Firehawk: @Dusty - Yes, & LOL!
Saleta Telling: I took an SL workshop at a community college and we found that there is a limit to the number of users on a single IP address who can get into SL at any one time. Half the class (including me) couldn't get ing.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Just sent a colleague to one of our transcripts about a topic that interested her
Kayako Mayako: Like Olivia, I have an old screen shot from an Educator Roundtable to illustrate LARGE meetings!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I hope that meetings like this can led to recruitment
Olivia Hotshot: @Kayako - good one!
AJ Brooks: I think the sheer number of people that meet here
KarenKate Sands: yes I think even snapshots pieced together, or mini movies can help to bring the immersive experience to faculty that can't imagine SL
AJ Brooks: and the diverse backgrounds
AJ Brooks: this is why we do the intro in the beginning
Profdan Netizen: I found, AJ, that colleagues feel disappointed if you don't show the SL live. If all you do is snapshots or machinima.
Olivia Hotshot: great way to network and become active in sl is to join groups and attend meetings
Nowey Lytton: big part of the problem is that SL is still considered "a game" ONLY. Only few people can see the potential behind the platform
Hypatia Pickens: Well exactly.
AJ Brooks: I agree, Profdan, but I'd rather not have a disaster happen, and all too often I have seen that. SL works great, right up until presentation time.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah live is better with voice. I nearly blew the audience head off when i used voice. it was very funny oops
Hypatia Pickens: How so, AJ?
Kayako Mayako: I -- finally -- got approval from my Dean for headsets for 30 distance education instructors and I think once the faculty get the headsets, they will be more interested in the platform.
Profdan Netizen: true, at the end is definitely best, AJ.
Hypatia Pickens: I like voice, too.
Hypatia Pickens: One of the problems with chat is that we ...
Hypatia Pickens: all tend to talk at once
Hypatia Pickens: and that can be horribly confusing...
Hypatia Pickens: to the newbie
jokay Wollongong: Agree Profdan.. always have the backup machinima.. but nothing like hearing from a real inworld educator about their work during a demo.. or flying around NOAA/NMC while you demo ;)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Nowey--it's an age thing, too...most Boomer-age folks shy from such a "place" because they don't see it as more than a "game"
Profdan Netizen: which is why voice won't work with this size of group, Hypatia.
AJ Brooks: Hypatia, I've found that problems I never NEVER have normally, are bound to happen when I'm doing a presentation. Like I said, Murphy was an optomist
Kali Pizzaro: yeah but vice you have to be disciplined or major feedback
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Hypatia, having the chat window open helps me...but I don't get a sense of all this until I review the transcript
Kali Pizzaro: opps voice
jokay Wollongong: Agreee Hypatia.. I've also had feedback from educator who say SL was really unappealing to them until there was voice.. learning/comms styles.. important to do both
Hypatia Pickens: Why won't it work... because you can't see the green waves?
AgileBill Firehawk: re Murphy - lol
Ungo Azambuja: Kali's right: voice isn't for newbies
Hypatia Pickens: but chat isn't either in a group this big
Kali Pizzaro: need to wait for folk to stop speaking
Ignatius Onomatopoeia buys Murphy a pint of Guinness to drown his sorrows
AJ Brooks: Th issue of voice in this group comes up every few months, the members of the group roundly dismiss using it weekly
Dusty Artaud: think chat more suited to the younger audience - they are used to texting, IMs
AgileBill Firehawk: yes, I think it helps to cater to multiple learning styles
Hypatia Pickens: Or stop typing
Jetty Shoreman: It seems like it might sense to break down into subgroups, each one dealing with a separate topic. Or each dealing with the same topic. Each group appoints a representative to report back to the larger group.
jokay Wollongong: Disagree with voice not being for newbies.. alot of newbies actually find it easier.. but you need to pre-prep them and give them resources to get past setting up their voice tools
Aimee Pixelmaid: @Jokay - i agree
AJ Brooks: @jokay, agree
Vic Michalak: @Hypatia... yes.... until you are used to it... only way is to put Local Chat in a window (click on button) and to skim chats and also copy chats from a meeting like this (CTRL A+C then paste) --- much info I miss but read later....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I taught for years with synchronous conferencing software--you learn to follow the flow eventually.
Nowey Lytton: voice or chat would be fine if there's an organized way to participate. Like raising the hand or something
Kali Pizzaro: Yeha AJ put it to bed
Hypatia Pickens: Well yes... voice can't make a "record."
Dyllan Denimore: @Nowey...Yes..some structure to the discussion would help immensely
Bees Ballinger: just some moderation would help... structure
Hypatia Pickens: but the very technology of chat works against itself....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we have transcribers for our voice meetings
Dusty Artaud: f2, f2, f2
Aimee Pixelmaid: I actually miss text chat in f2f classes. Text chat provides rich collaboration
AgileBill Firehawk: and even if I record the voice, I can't search it. I don't want to wait through to find just the part I wanted
Vic Michalak: Any good voice recorders out there in SL? Or just the obvious RL ones?
Hypatia Pickens: in a rl meeting.. people generally wait for a person to stop speaking
AJ Brooks: If you are talking about moderation and structure for this grou...thanks for the suggestions and ideas, we've been going strong like this for over a year, and I have no plans on changing it.
Kayako Mayako: I don't mind the text chat at meetings like this and can see the advantage when it comes to capturing the transcript. Also, with three teenagers at home for the summer, I can go back and catch up after emergency interruptions like ordering pizzas for my kids and half of the neighborhood.
Kali Pizzaro: true but you can see them stop
AJ Brooks: Someone once asked me why I haven't turned off my typing anim
AJ Brooks: I would never do that
AJ Brooks: its a visual cue for me
AJ Brooks: it lets me know someone is going to say something
jokay Wollongong: I use an Ipod and belkin recorder.... or virtual studio to record with audacity.. easiest on macs.. we record our monthly unconference sessions on jokaydia... talkingvte.blogspot.com
Vic Michalak: Yes... I think that is why most people do not turn off typing anim...
Hypatia Pickens: what was that AJ?
AJ Brooks: jokay, I'd love to get you as a guest sometime :-)
Hypatia Pickens: Typing?
Kali Pizzaro: oh i have i must admit
AJ Brooks: the typing animation
Hypatia Pickens: Yes
Hypatia Pickens: It's etiquette
Kali Pizzaro: i have just suggested her today in the transcript hehe
Vic Michalak: very true...
jokay Wollongong: hehe sure aj.. as long as i can bring the other jokaydians too.. we work as a team.. hehe
Hypatia Pickens: the typekill is a real manipulation thing
AJ Brooks: absolutely
AJ Brooks: we can do a panel
Hypatia Pickens: very offputting.
AgileBill Firehawk: Jokadians rock, imho
AJ Brooks: lets talk offline
AJ Brooks: well - not offline, I mean sometime after the meeting lol
Hypatia Pickens: ha ha
jokay Wollongong: hehe.. sure aj ;)
AgileBill Firehawk: is it a faux paux to turn off the typing animation?
Dusty Artaud: so why are we here?
Aimee Pixelmaid: Wait - I want to clarify. Do you see turning off my typing animation as offensive? (I can turn it back on)
Kayako Mayako: No one has mentioned how the text chat is more expansive than voice chat. That is, while we would have to wait for others to finish talking to say something, more ground can be covered -- albeit in a rather bullet like fashion -- with text.
Hypatia Pickens: Not exactly a faux pas....
AJ Brooks: I'm not sure it is a faux pax, but I don't like when peopel turn it off
Hypatia Pickens: It is a way to seem realistic
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hmmm...I hate that anim...but I see you point. AJ will have to cope
Hypatia Pickens: when actually it makes someone seem obnoxious
AJ Brooks: How else would I know you are about to write something?
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Iggy.
Saleta Telling: I had several incidents of the motion continuing even when I wasn't typing, so I turned it off.
jokay Wollongong: I think its a time and place thing.. not great in roleplays and machinimas.. but agree aj.. very handy as a visual cue
Aimee Pixelmaid: Hmm... I'll consider it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: uh oh...I'll turn it on but not that crazy sound
Dusty Artaud: it's a when in Rome thing in my opinion
Bees Ballinger: lol dusty
Aimee Pixelmaid: @ Dusty - I think you've got the answer
Kali Pizzaro: the noise was a pain that is the only reason
Profdan Netizen: I'm used to chat or IRC--not a problem for me to see or not see typing.
AJ Brooks: Folks, amazingly enough, we are at the end of our hour. I'd like to thank everyone for coming this week. If you need ammo for bringing others in, you sure have it here. We'll be back next week at 2:30pm SLT
AgileBill Firehawk: visual cues from avatars are powerful - that's what makes this better than a web chat or numbing conference call
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: with old-style conferencing, w/o avatars, you had even fewer cues
Olivia Hotshot notes what a smooth typist Iggy is
Hypatia Pickens: I'm really impressed!
AJ Brooks: No need to leave, however, folks are welcome to stay and chat
Kali Pizzaro: to busy looking at text box to see who is tyoing to tell you the truth
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 65 wpm Olivia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: type-bully
Dyllan Denimore: ok.. thanks.. some great nuggets here
Olivia Hotshot: you rock Iggy
Hypatia Pickens: hey Agile!
AgileBill Firehawk: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
Hypatia Pickens: APPLAUSE!!!!
Hypatia Pickens claps wildly ***JUST AWESOME***