Transcript of May 26, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.

Topic: Future Guests/Meeting Planning

Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). See Olivia's Flickr group for the SLER to add your own photos.

AJ Brooks: The topic today is Future Guests and Meeting Planning

gloriagdiago Galicia: are you going to explain us about free tools for improving meetings?

AJ Brooks: um - no, thats not on today's agenda

gloriagdiago Galicia: I lke this table

gloriagdiago Galicia: but I suppouse is not free

AJ Brooks: ah - this table is not free, I'm afraid

Arielion Clawtooth: I'm hearing very loud music off and on. Hope I'm not imagining it. )

AJ Brooks: its part of the MystiTool

gloriagdiago Galicia: ah

gloriagdiago Galicia: ok

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: best tools for meeting: 1) this table 2) AJ as moderator :)

AJ Brooks: lol

AJ Brooks blushes

gloriagdiago Galicia: lol

Olivia Hotshot: I like the table too, but found out today it is not wheel chair friendly - shot Avery to the back of the autotorium

Omni Market: lol

Katie Fenstalker: that's true!

Margaret Michalski: ditto

AJ Brooks: ack

Arielion Clawtooth: What about when AJ dances on the table?

AJ Brooks: lets go ahead and get started

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.

AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.

AJ Brooks: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our topic today is Future Guests and Meeting Planning.

AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.

AJ Brooks: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit
http://virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/

AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.

AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.

AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.

AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.

AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.

AJ Brooks: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.

AJ Brooks: Be sure to circle June 2nd (next week) on your calendar. My special guest for that First of the Month meeting will be Harry Pence (SL: John2 Kepler)

AJ Brooks: Harry and I will be talking on the theme "Our Engaged is Not Their Engaged: The Myth of Undivided Attention".

AJ Brooks: On June 1st, in this Amphitheater, the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will hold a simulcast meeting.

AJ Brooks: The EDUCAUSE Southeast Regional Conference is being help in Atlanta and we will have a simulcast meeting here at 8:45am.

AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share

AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.

Zotarah Shepherd: Teri the chair to my right is open

AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.

AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.

AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.

AJ Brooks: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.

Zotarah Shepherd smiles

AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University

AJ Brooks: and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL.

Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills.

Tegan Jenvieve: tegan Jenvieve, recent masters graduate, entering 3rd career as ateacher

George Linden: George Scobie/Linden, Linden Lab Education Outreach/Development - my Profile Picks list my office hour days and locations, feel free to stop by and share your initiative's goals/challenges ㋡

Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State Chico, Tech consultant & educator

Katie Fenstalker: is Katie King, Women's Studies, University of Maryland. Teaches new media and such.

Firery Broome: University of Delaware, IT User Services- Faculty Support- Caretaker of UD islands in SL - island shepherdess

Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist at the Univ of Illinois at Chicago. Plus, a doctoral student.

Fred Brecher: I'm Fred Hagemeister, Coordinator, Academic Technology Services, CTLT, University of Richmond

Avery Beeswing: I'm Laurel Hill-Ward, teacher educator at CSU, Chico

Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, I teach Caribbean history at Hunter College, New York

JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL. I'm the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio.

Teri Boxen: teri lind Master student San Jose State University

Jeremy Braver is President/CEO Braver Consulting, gaming & learning in SL, general rebel rouser, fun theorist in the making

Omni Market: Bryndon Burfine, Higher education sales for AT&T mobility, Ca

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: FUN THEORIST. I love that title.

AJ Brooks: who else

Katie Fenstalker: I LOVE FUN THEORIST TOO.

AJ Brooks: everyone get a chance to introuce themselves?

Jeremy Braver: thx Ignatius, recently got Raph Koster's book, diggin currently

AJ Brooks: going once

Angelia Halsey: Angelia Halsey, psychology instructor

Kali Pizzaro: nurse lecturer in the Uk

Kali Pizzaro: Bonnie Scotland

AJ Brooks: :-) Scotland sure is bonnie. :-)

Zotarah Shepherd: Plenty of room at the table for everyone.

AJ Brooks: going once

Kali Pizzaro: yes if you like the cold brrrr

AJ Brooks: anyone else

AJ Brooks: going twice

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Kali, I'll trade you--you get humid and hot Richmond :)

AJ Brooks: sold to the tiny in the red heels!

Kali Pizzaro: haha

Teri Boxen: hehe

AJ Brooks: ok - great - lets get started

Jeremy Braver: Richmond, humid and hot, try San Antonio, Ignatius

AJ Brooks: today is the day we get all the ideas together for future meetings

AJ Brooks: meeting themes

AJ Brooks: guests for our special meeting

AJ Brooks: and talk about meeting ideas - like

AJ Brooks: do we want to do more meetings in voice chat

AJ Brooks: things like that

Professor Melody: yes >.>

AJ Brooks: now

Professor Melody: lol

AJ Brooks: before we get off on tangents

Margaret Michalski: voice depends on the topic

AJ Brooks: this is what I need to get out of today

AJ Brooks: I need a list of themes and

AJ Brooks: some ideas for guests

AJ Brooks: and let me tell you what happens after that

Margaret Michalski: which first?

Margaret Michalski: guests or topics?

AJ Brooks: I go through that list and make a survey out of it

AJ Brooks: actually - two surveys

AJ Brooks: which are identical

AJ Brooks: the first one goes to the SLER in world group

AJ Brooks: and the facebook group

AJ Brooks: the second one goes to SLED list, EDUCAUSE VW list, and my groups

AJ Brooks: so everyone gets input into what our future topics will be

AJ Brooks: HOWEVER

AJ Brooks: the people in the SLER group and Facebook group - their votes carry more weight

AJ Brooks: no need to worry yourself with how that all works

AJ Brooks: but if you want to have a greater voice, make sure you are in teh SLER group or in the Facebook group

AJ Brooks: :-)

Topher Zwiers: we *are* special!

Kali Pizzaro: ;0

AJ Brooks: so - lets start with topic ideas

AJ Brooks: what would you like to see us talk about for an hour?

Oronoque Westland: I would like to suggest a discussion of "Mixed Reality" where folks combine the virtual and the physical. Presenters might include Josephine Junot (she co-directs an RL/SL theater project called Kids Connect whose pilot project connected students in Amsterdam with students in New York via media, performance, and SL) and someone from Brooklyn is Watching ("a mixed reality project that exists in the internationally known risk-taking Brookyn art gallery "Jack the Pelican Presents" and in Second Life").

Margaret Michalski: Off hand I think we should have a guest from the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative to see how they are using the land, projects etc.

Professor Melody: the difference in men and women

Fred Brecher: I like the idea of tools for meeting management/facilitation

Katie Fenstalker: how to deal with university administration that wants guidelines to use of SL.

Avery Beeswing: I'm curious about what traditional age (young) college students think about SL.

Arielion Clawtooth: I'd recommend dealing with students with disabilities and have the leaders from Virtual Ability Island give their input.

AJ Brooks: Avery - we just had a great meeting on that

Topher Zwiers: I'd like to here someone with experience talk about hosting events - preparation, security, facilitators/helpers, prepared notes...

AJ Brooks: but it would be great to do again

Olivia Hotshot: Extending the virtual world into the real world - leveraging the experience

Jeremy Braver: I'd like to see a discussion on really emerging technology, maybe Jonathon Richter or Sarah Robbins could lead that

AJ Brooks: wow - great topics - all of these

AJ Brooks: and most of them ones we've not done yet

Avery Beeswing: Thanks, AJ. I'll check the archives.

Topher Zwiers: like @Fred's suggestion as well.

AJ Brooks: Iggy might be able to IM you the direct link :-)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: will do

Margaret Michalski: @AJ, I would like to hear you talk more about the theorist project and the new harry Potter theme

Olivia Hotshot: best ideas for publicizing SL - to admins, faculty, and students

AJ Brooks: @professor melody, what do you mean the difference between men and women

AJ Brooks: *men and women

Topher Zwiers: well there's a bird and a bee....

Kali Pizzaro: haha

Professor Melody: How they think in general , there are huge differences are there not?

AJ Brooks: :-)

Oronoque Westland: and a sycamore tree

Arielion Clawtooth: There's a bee here, too!

Fred Brecher: Mine was stolen from @gloriagdiago

AJ Brooks: well - yes, but how is that an SL and educational issue?

AJ Brooks: that sounds more like philosophy

Professor Melody: its a helpful thing to understand in the real world :)

AJ Brooks: :-)

Tegan Jenvieve: how about a scientific/neurologic explanation of what computers do toi kids brains and how that affects cognition

Angelia Halsey: ooh I like that

Tegan Jenvieve: I get tiresd of saying kids are smarter

Katie Fenstalker: I do too!

Margaret Michalski: Another option is to have someone from MacArthur who just made their sim public.

Arielion Clawtooth: Has anything been done on grading a virtual class and whether it has credibility?

Tegan Jenvieve: and not being believed

Jeremy Braver: Tegan, the guy from Whyville would be good on that one

Tegan Jenvieve: cool

Jeremy Braver: Jjim Bower I believe

Professor Melody: I think im the youngest one here ._.

Oronoque Westland: there are some interesting pedagogical/andragogical issues related to gender and online studies...we might explore them specially related to SL

AJ Brooks: gender in SL, how being anything you want to be impact class and learning

Fred Brecher: Gender was an interesting part of the alt meeting and definitely worth more exploration.

AJ Brooks: interesting

Teri Boxen: oh that would be nice

Topher Zwiers: I remember a SLER session from maybe a year ago (or longer? seems like forever ago) on teaching tools... presenters, discussion facilitation tools, survey tools... if that hasn'tbeen done recently, may be worth revisiting... Think Eloise Pasteur guested last time; would be good to have someone that teaches with a variety of tools.

AJ Brooks: yes - another ALT meeting is in order, I think

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and was interesting when my students switched gender

Jeremy Braver: what about activities rather than discussions? or is the roundtable only for talking?

Jeremy Braver: not bad, just clarifying

Angelia Halsey: i like that idea

AJ Brooks: That may have been ISTE, Chris, Elo has never been a guest here - but that might be an excellent topic to pursue

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'd discussed field trips at one point

Professor Melody: Ignatius that caught my attention what you just said

AJ Brooks: discussions

Jeremy Braver: kk, thx AJ

AJ Brooks: getting 40 people to talk is hard enough

AJ Brooks: I don't want to have to try to corral the cats any more than that

Jeremy Braver: heh, good pt

AJ Brooks: :-)

AJ Brooks: and we've been hitting 40 with some regularity

AJ Brooks: today its low due to the topic

Oronoque Westland: gender in SL is one aspect, but I was more thinking about how females learn in SL vs males

AJ Brooks: meeting planning is not sexy

Omni Market: How about best practices for creating multimedia rich learning plans in SL that combine 3D virtual experiences students can perform, while supporting the experience with written text (notecards), recorded voice (streaming or in notecard clips, etc...).

Jeremy Braver: but you make it look so sexy, AJ!!!

AJ Brooks: :-P

Kali Pizzaro: Like that Omni

Omni Market: =^_^=

AJ Brooks: for the record Iggy - we're at 24

Kali Pizzaro: sounds like a project i am working on ;)

AJ Brooks: what other topics would you like to see?

AJ Brooks: what ideas would you like talked about

Oronoque Westland: Quests

AJ Brooks: quests?

Angelia Halsey: how to handle students with disabilities?

Olivia Hotshot: like web quests?

Tegan Jenvieve: I have to go for a few-- will return if possible

Margaret Michalski: avatar-bots are becoming popular

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm with Omni on that topic, given the House of Usher project...would love to know more about planning simulations

AJ Brooks: i'd love to have the folks from Virtual Ability back for an entire meeting

Kali Pizzaro: How about how Sl can be used for communities of practice.

AJ Brooks: we could do a special 1st of the month for them

Jeremy Braver: Bernie Dodge teaches some courses in SL, he could be corralled, maybe, heh

Tegan Jenvieve: How about one on embodied conversational agents

Tegan Jenvieve: make avitar behavior intuitive

Avery Beeswing: Kali Pizzaro's idea is interest to me.

AJ Brooks: tegan, explain

Olivia Hotshot: Effective uses of groups - dos and donts - how to assign roles, best roles to use etc

Katie Fenstalker: what do you mean by community of practice Kali?

Angelia Halsey: agree I would be interested in that

Oronoque Westland: there seems to be an increase in "Quests" as a way to stimulate creativity (writing quests) and knowledge (environmental focus)...basically the AV is exposed to something on a SIM and that "thing" prompts thinking/creativity...they are really very imaginative builds

Tegan Jenvieve: You can customize educators for different disabilities, emotional responses

Tegan Jenvieve: tailor the teacher to the student

AJ Brooks: interesting

Topher Zwiers: I think it would be good to have a balance of meetings focused on theory vs those on practice. i.e. those which discuss the possibilities vs those which someone discusses what they've already done or accomplished.

Tegan Jenvieve: saw interesting stuff on it

Kali Pizzaro: here we have one from folk from a variety of backgrounds and timezones, which is often why the break down in other media

Angelia Halsey: what about shared resources by discipline

Kali Pizzaro: like that angelia

AJ Brooks: also, keep in mind, we need a topic that can a) be explained in a sentence or two when we send out announcements and b) can be covered in an hour

Jeremy Braver: or maybe interdisciplinary courses/collaborations in SL

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Angelia

Olivia Hotshot: perhaps see examples of best/better builds for educational purposes so future builds avoid pitfalls - i foresee more institutions coming into sl

AJ Brooks nods at Olivia

Angelia Halsey: yes like that last one Olivia

Margaret Michalski: I like the interdisciplinary courses idea

AJ Brooks: a show and tell perhaps

Olivia Hotshot: thank you

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right, Oliva...that's where I was agreeing with Omni. Good ideas for 3D learning and simulations, multimedia.

Olivia Hotshot: yes AJ

AJ Brooks: bring a prim with two pictures on it (front back)

Topher Zwiers: re: @Olivia's idea... Fleep has published work on that; her or Nancy might be a good guest.

Katie Fenstalker: I'm interested in the theory projects strategies for sharing theory.

AJ Brooks: Fleep is ALWAYS a good guest - she is so amazing

Olivia Hotshot: she sure is

Topher Zwiers: @aj true

AJ Brooks: I'd like to see us get our first panel back if we can - that was a great group

Arielion Clawtooth: I was going to say that. :)

Marc Rexen: Maybe try for someone that did the Tacoma Nursing RP, or any of the other quite involved Role Play ones...with a focus on what level of skill and resources are really required. I recall several staff and many with 04 dates, meaning, these are beyond the means of many Colleges (but I don't know).

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes...a good session on RP would be really interesting (but keep it PG!)

AJ Brooks: the role of RP in education

Jeremy Braver: Dalai Haskell just did an RP on EdTech island

Olivia Hotshot: mindful rp

Margaret Michalski: You have to be careful using role play

Marc Rexen: Anesthesia...biggest risk is an Adverse Outcome (Tacoma).

Margaret Michalski: doctors hate the word role play

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you tell me....30+ years of D&D here :)

Zotarah Shepherd: I did a RP one for ISTE a while back.

Margaret Michalski: they keep yelling at me for calling it that

Kali Pizzaro: clinical simulation

Margaret Michalski: they use simulation

Marc Rexen: They are impressive, but I really wonder how many schools can do them...maybe a lot, I just don't know.

Zotarah Shepherd: All schools and all disciplines can do RP.

Kali Pizzaro: we have a clinical simulation lab in Sl we have started to use to teach nurses

Margaret Michalski: Role play is good and it fits in with avatar-bot

Arielion Clawtooth: Financing may be another topic.

Angelia Halsey: yes!

AJ Brooks: so - who would make good guests, and why?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it does..that's going to be important for both our projects, Margaret.

Angelia Halsey: persuading admins to buy into SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for disabilities...Louise Later and Charles Mountain...with Max the Wonder Dog (SL's first Guide Dog) Louise is legally blind and uses Max to navigate SL. Charles is Max's chief coder. Zotarah and Oronoque have seen Max in action.

AJ Brooks: yes - perhaps combine that with the virtual ability folks

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes and I love my Max dog.

AJ Brooks: that would be an AWESOME First of the Month

Oronoque Westland: I renamed mine Maxine

AJ Brooks: lol

Olivia Hotshot: Also would like to know best workflow and practices for collecting student created content, assessments etc.

Zotarah Shepherd: Great presentation by Gentle Heron

Marc Rexen: Might contact DrJohn Lane

AJ Brooks: who else would YOU like to hear from, and why?

Avery Beeswing: Yes-I'd like to see that, Olivia.

AJ Brooks: DrJohn Lane?

Omni Market: I like that Olivia, it is an important aspect that can be challenging

Marc Rexen: SL name.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does Raph Koster have a SL avatar?

Olivia Hotshot: ty Omni

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: He'd be great to talk about gaming and RP

Margaret Michalski: There is some debate about asynchronous learning in SL perhaps anyone from Sloan-C can join. They have a journal dedicated to asynchronous learning.

Angelia Halsey: best practices for documenting learning

AJ Brooks: ok, Marc - why - who is he

Katie Fenstalker: Tom Boellsdorff?

Kali Pizzaro: I could see i f a few folk in the Uk would want to do something

AJ Brooks: folks - when you mention these people, please tell us what their contirbution is and why they might be intersting to the group

Katie Fenstalker: Anyone in SL from The Future of Learning Group with MIT's Media Lab?

Avery Beeswing: I'm eager to learn more about asynchronous learning and student assessment--

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Raph Koster designed Metaplace and has written books on the Theory of Fun...Jeremy can say more

Marc Rexen: Econ...very active...don't know if he'd be interested.

Oronoque Westland: perhaps something connecting Web 2.0 with SL, other than SLoodle (since we did that)...for example, Twitter

Zotarah Shepherd: It might be good to ask expert people who do NOT yet have an SL avatar to present here to get them involved.

Katie Fenstalker: Tom Boellsdorff is an anthropologist who wrote Coming of Age in Second Life. He has ideas about immersion and research we might find useufl.

Avery Beeswing: Thanks, Katie. I'm writing that down.

Oronoque Westland: Global Kids has been doing some great work and bringing into SL so we adults can learn from them

AJ Brooks: now - this brings up something interesting

Zotarah Shepherd: I would like top see more TG topics

AJ Brooks: one of the reason we did this the first time was

AJ Brooks: because I was accused of having "the usual suspects" as guests

Oronoque Westland: lots of new names suggested today

AJ Brooks: a few folks spoke up and said they wanted to see more up and coming people

Katie Fenstalker: I've been reading Katie Salen on play. She is involved in a MacARthur projet on a school based on gaming.

AJ Brooks: yes - we have a few, but I'm sure there are more

AJ Brooks: ok - before we go on

Margaret Michalski: Off hand I think we should have a guest from the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative to see how they are using the land, projects etc.

AJ Brooks: I want to run a straw poll

Zotarah Shepherd: So maybe we need a list of new "suspects" AJ.

Margaret Michalski: or how about having one of us be a special guest

AJ Brooks: how many of you have been in SL for LESS than 3 months - say YES (if more, dont' say anything yet)

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Avery Beeswing: YES

Angelia Halsey: yes

AJ Brooks: ok - excellent

Katie Fenstalker: just 3 now.

Margaret Michalski: we can devote a meeting to one of our projects

AJ Brooks: three of you

AJ Brooks: now - how many of you have been in less then 6 months but more than 3

AJ Brooks: say YES

AJ Brooks: nobody - ok

Katie Fenstalker: Yes (I guess) not less not more but 3!

Angelia Halsey: i am right at 3 months also

AJ Brooks: how many of you have been in for less than a year - all of you (even those ones who said yes already)

AJ Brooks: say YES

Angelia Halsey: yes

Avery Beeswing: YES

AJ Brooks: less than a year

Katie Fenstalker: yes

Margaret Michalski: yes

Eliasdehart Sixpence: YES

Olivia Hotshot: I need to run! I have a presentation to do. Thanks for a fun time. See you all next week.

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Oronoque Westland: Bye Olivia

Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Olivia

Katie Fenstalker: (bye Olivia)

Avery Beeswing: Thank you-I need to leave, too.

AJ Brooks: so - 6 of you?

Omni Market waves bye!

AJ Brooks: by olivia

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Olivia! See you soon and will steal your photos fo the transcript

Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Avery

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice meeting you Avery

AJ Brooks: ok - how many of us have been in over 2 years - say YES

Oronoque Westland: Bye Avery

AJ Brooks: YES

Marc Rexen: yes

Omni Market: yes!

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes

Oronoque Westland: we went from less than a year to over 2 years?

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes...I think...but not very active until lately.

Omni Market is older than George... hehe

Fred Brecher: yes, but not 2 years worth I admit

Arielion Clawtooth: Someone click on me and see how old I am. LOL.

JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes! LOL I'm just under 2 years now.

AJ Brooks: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia says "YES" and feels all old and creaky in both lives

Firery Broome: Just under 2

AJ Brooks: ok - so about 1/2 of us are between 1-2 years old

Angelia Halsey: 10/24/2008

Arielion Clawtooth: Are my wings moulting? :O

Angelia Halsey: 2007

AJ Brooks: lol

Omni Market: lol

Oronoque Westland: Ari, you are 1 + 2/3

Arielion Clawtooth: Oddly, that's my IQ also!

AJ Brooks: so - before we move on - any other topics you think of interest?

Indigo Mougin: yes

AJ Brooks: or any other guests or speakers?

Dusty Artaud: sorry arrived late - but it looks like these are future discussion ideas? Differences among us : with Gentle and Louise for disabilities - but others to cover how we get along with those different from us e.g. human v. fairies, v. elves v. furries v. tinies - prejudice and exclusion and bullying (griefing)- is it here in SL like RL?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: w/o a firestorm..SL's "Reputation" and admin resistance?

Marc Rexen: Language instruction...from someone doing it.

Oronoque Westland: yikes

Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins like the fool he is

AJ Brooks vouches that Iggy is a fool

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a wise fool :)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or something

Oronoque Westland thinks Iggy is no fool

AJ Brooks: give me your money

Katie Fenstalker: no fool.

AJ Brooks: (a fool and his money....)

Margaret Michalski: SL reputation is good

Fred Brecher: maybe a con man

AJ Brooks: lol

Zotarah Shepherd: It was a hot topic on SLED recently.

Angelia Halsey: possible guest someone from vTSTC since they have sims?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL wiseass, then...but seriously. We hear stories of "pushback" from others. The Rep is good on my campus. but not everywhere.

Marc Rexen: ...the best comment was the "Main thing about SL" -- pretty much refuted it all.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: con man? yep. I do research on Southern con men in fact.

AJ Brooks: oh - that made me so mad

Oronoque Westland: a Southern gentlecon?

AJ Brooks: no - "the main thing about SL is that it is for sexual exploration"

Professor Melody: haha

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but we need to help new faculty and admins sell SL when they encounter resistance. and yeah, that remark made me mad.

AJ Brooks: someone claimed this "social media expert" they knew said that

Katie Fenstalker: I hear everything from it's passe, to it's a legal hassle to it's online for all online teaching.

Marc Rexen: It was the refutation...pretty much destroyed the concept.

Fred Brecher: but now that we have Craig's list's rep

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes. tough to get folks to invest money with comments like that.

AJ Brooks: anyone who would say that is no expert

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Do we have a person who is good at providing advice on that topic?

Margaret Michalski: So, what are the top topics we have come up with so far?

Angelia Halsey: topic benefits of SL over traditional online

Angelia Halsey: ?

AJ Brooks: Margaret - we are not going to try and rehash that here

Margaret Michalski: SL over traditional online is good

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: gets us into the immersionist/augmentatonist issue well

Margaret Michalski: my dissertation goes a bit down that route along with roleplay/simulation

AJ Brooks: are we done with ideas and guests, or do others have ideas?

AJ Brooks: we didn't get too many guest ideas

AJ Brooks: last time we got 14 guest names and only 3 agreed to come meet

Eliasdehart Sixpence: I am interested in cross platform communication - just throwing that out

Kali Pizzaro: i have a couple of UK folk but need to contact them first

Arielion Clawtooth: What's the time difference with the UK?

AJ Brooks: these ideas are not committing people to doing anything

AJ Brooks: quite the opposite

Margaret Michalski: 7 hours

Kali Pizzaro: well it is 11.30 now pm

Margaret Michalski: or 6

AJ Brooks: 11 hours

AJ Brooks: sorry - 8

AJ Brooks: lol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wow..why I won't be at Roundtable when I'm in the UK next month :)

Kali Pizzaro: i am a wee dedicated follower of the roundtable haha

AJ Brooks: its 11 now

Kali Pizzaro: no 11/30

Kali Pizzaro: well 11 14

Zotarah Shepherd smiles at Kali

Arielion Clawtooth: So they'd have to take that into consideration.

Omni Market: 314?

AJ Brooks: listen - suggesting a name here does not commit anyone to speaking

Kali Pizzaro: yeah but i can use my Scottish charm :)

AJ Brooks: in fact, we'd have to put their name in the survey and see if folks want these people to speak, and THEN, after that - I'll write to them and invite them

Kali Pizzaro: cool

AJ Brooks: so go ahead and suggest names

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ, you should be our guest one day to give us all tips on organizing meetings and making virtual groups work well.

Arielion Clawtooth: "She canna take much morrrra this!"

AJ Brooks: this is just brainstorming

Kali Pizzaro: haha Ariellon

Zotarah Shepherd: Think of people who have influenced your concepts of education... who are still alive.

AJ Brooks: loll

Kali Pizzaro: haha

Arielion Clawtooth: Hey, it's a virtual world, so why not have guests who have "passed on"? :)

Margaret Michalski: Well, I am planning on doing a presentation after my disseration proposal defense. If I pass then maybe I can do one here. That is if people will want that.

Marc Rexen: Tap John2...I'd be interested in what the Nova Scotia folks are up to...very stron a while back.

AJ Brooks: John2 is my guest next week

AJ Brooks: going to be AWESOME conversation

Margaret Michalski: That will not be till August, September

AJ Brooks: that one is going to be a DON'T MISS

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes...cannot wait for that one

Kali Pizzaro: Dr Sara de Freitas has recently taken up a new role as Director of Research at the Serious Games Institute at the University of Coventry where she leads an applied research team working closely with industry. The Institute is the first of its kind in the UK and it is envisaged that it will play a leading role in future developments of game-based learning. Formerly Sara worked as Lab Manager, Project Manager on development programmes and Senior Research Fellow at the London Knowledge Lab. The Lab is a collaborative venture between Birkbeck College and the Institute of Education, University of London focusing upon technology assisted learning. Sara continues to hold a visiting senior research fellowship at the Lab.

AJ Brooks: he and I chatted - for what was suppose to be 15 minutes, turned into an hour

Kali Pizzaro: sorry this seemed like the easiest way to explain

AJ Brooks: perfect

Katie Fenstalker: sounds amazing Kali

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's great for the transcript, too

Marc Rexen: Yes, Carolyn Carillon, Strider Gremminger , and hondomac Dalgleish (for names).

AJ Brooks nods head

AJ Brooks: ok - who are they, what do they do

Marc Rexen: Educators...but I've lost tract of them, John2 would know if they were still active.

Omni Market: Lu, your mic is muffling (;

Kali Pizzaro: she has just written a report for JISC

AJ Brooks: well - ok, educators, I guess I'm asking why they would be of interest

Marc Rexen: LoriVonne Lustre...and I'm suggesting talk with John2...it is a different Educational circle than this or ISTE or NMC.

AJ Brooks: when we put it on te survey, we'll need to give folks a sentence or two about who folks are, in case they don't know the names

AJ Brooks: k

AJ Brooks: well - i'm lumped that you just limped me in with ISTE and NMC. :-)

Katie Fenstalker: as good or better.

AJ Brooks blushes

Marc Rexen: Equal.

Margaret Michalski: My dissertation will compare role play in a web browser based to SL based for medical students. The outcome will be done with a standardized patient.

Katie Fenstalker: (sorry have to go)

AJ Brooks: ok - so, are we done with ideas and guests?

AJ Brooks: anyone else have any last minutes thoughts?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: seems so

AJ Brooks: i have one more thing I want to talk about before we call it a night

Marc Rexen: ISTE is k-12, NSCC (the Nova Scotia crowd) is Community Colleges, Educause is Higher Ed and Admin, and NMC is their own thing (jumst my opinion).

AJ Brooks: @marc -agree on all counts

Eliasdehart Sixpence: Does it make sense to have presentations from various other educational group spokespeople? I.e., community colleges in SL, Real Life Education in SL?

Angelia Halsey: that is good information for a newbie

Angelia Halsey: yes

Eliasdehart Sixpence: Marc has mentioned the community college thing, which I am interested in

Angelia Halsey: me too

AJ Brooks: a lot of that is already represented here, adn teh topics, hopefully, span all educational realms

AJ Brooks: we could do one on non-4 year schools

Eliasdehart Sixpence: 'k

AJ Brooks: or more like - non-4 year institutions

AJ Brooks: ok - so, before we call it a night, I want to talk about voice chat

Oronoque Westland: post-sec, but not 4 year?

Marc Rexen: Is Devry in here?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I have another guest suggestion: our own Oronoque and Bryan Mnemonic to discuss Virtual Harlem (sorry I am lagging here)

AJ Brooks: for a long time we have kept these meetings to text chat

Angelia Halsey: I wondpost sec 2yr tech colleges is relevant to me

AJ Brooks: the exception has only come into play this year (2009)

Margaret Michalski: I think it depends on the topic if we use voice

Margaret Michalski: this is a small group today so it would work

AJ Brooks: when we started the first of the month special meetings

Margaret Michalski: but the bigger ones not too sure

AJ Brooks: now that more people are using voice chat regularly

AJ Brooks: and learning how to do it

Zotarah Shepherd: Hard to get a record when we all use Voice.

Kali Pizzaro: yeah

Oronoque Westland: podcasts

Arielion Clawtooth: The big issue is capturing the chat. If you had a way to capture voice chat that would be fine. But capturing and playback would be a chore.

AJ Brooks: and given that we've gotten better at helping people do that

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zo's right--we need lots of transcribers

Margaret Michalski: voice brings up transcribing issues

Arielion Clawtooth: LOL. Sorry we didn't let you finish AJ.

AJ Brooks: thats ok

Kali Pizzaro: would you need subtitles for my scottish accent!!!!

AJ Brooks: I promised I would bring it up

AJ Brooks: it was not my idea

AJ Brooks: I'm big in favor of text chat

Zotarah Shepherd: Or everyone who uses Voice can transcribe or use a transcriber like Dragon.

Margaret Michalski: it is hard to find volunteers for the first of the month

AJ Brooks: except for our one meeting

Kali Pizzaro: al la susan boyle on oprah

AJ Brooks: dragon is not really an option

Arielion Clawtooth: I prefer text, too. Or Kali can do the Vulcan Mind Meld.

Margaret Michalski: guests having voice is good enough in my opinion

AJ Brooks: not enough people have it

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

AJ Brooks: plus it has to be trained just right

Kali Pizzaro: yeah vice only for guest

Zotarah Shepherd: Each speaker would have to have it so could get chaotic.

Arielion Clawtooth: You can hear the mic problems just hear tonight.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the group that objected to the text chat felt they were not getting heir words in? or that it's too hard to follow?

Eliasdehart Sixpence: accessibility is also an issue for some

Zotarah Shepherd: Voice only for the guest is best.

AJ Brooks: yes - iggy

Eliasdehart Sixpence: being able to hear

Arielion Clawtooth: here. LOL.

AJ Brooks: volunteers for what, margaret?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'd need a podium so speakers could stand and go over to talk

Oronoque Westland: accessibility is an issue either way

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so it would not get too chaotic

Margaret Michalski: sorry lag-I was referring to having transcriber issues if we have voice every week

George Linden: (I have to switch gears - sorry for being quiet, I will check in on the transcript :D have a great week, all!!)

Kali Pizzaro: may make it stilted

AJ Brooks: ok - I hear everyone, and now we are on record

Oronoque Westland: bye George

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks George! Take care!

AJ Brooks: we talked about it

AJ Brooks: and the group feels the same as it always has

Arielion Clawtooth: Bye George. Always nice to see Lindens (in both senses, heh-heh).

Oronoque Westland: yup

AJ Brooks: which is just fine with me

Kali Pizzaro: yep

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yeah--podiums and such seem stilted. I tossed mine out of the classroom.

Zotarah Shepherd: Or click on the tool that displays the persons name to talk.

AJ Brooks: no - last quick question

Kali Pizzaro: haha like it Iggy

AJ Brooks: should we do more than one special meeting a month

AJ Brooks: or would people miss the regular roundtable style

Arielion Clawtooth: No. then they wouldn't be special.

Kali Pizzaro: roundtable please

Margaret Michalski: Sloodle has gestures to wear that include raising your hand etc.

Arielion Clawtooth: I like the roundtables, just wish they were earlier in the day.

Margaret Michalski: I think that should wait until after the survey and see what gets selected

Margaret Michalski: then we will know if more 1st of month is needed.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia agrees with Margaret---might have so many special guests we'll need more for a time.

AJ Brooks: we always get comments on the time. Unfortunately, there is no good time for most people. The time really is a factor of my schedule

AJ Brooks: agree on waiting until we see the list

Oronoque Westland: are we meeting over the northern summer?

AJ Brooks: yes - I think we should

AJ Brooks: what do you folks think?

Oronoque Westland: great

Zotarah Shepherd: I hope we will continue meeting over the summer

AJ Brooks: I think if we STOP meeting, it will change the momentum of the group and meetings

Arielion Clawtooth: Yes.

AJ Brooks: the meeting are always smaller

Zotarah Shepherd: Momentum builds with consistency.

JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm up for the summer. I have to work anyways, so much for break.

Margaret Michalski: I would like to but if not every week maybe every other week

AJ Brooks: @Zotarah - agreed

Kali Pizzaro: yeah keep meeting even if the numbers drop a wee bit

Fred Brecher: agreed, and just like it's 5 'clock somewhere...

AJ Brooks: lol

AJ Brooks: we may need to move the date and time later in the summer

AJ Brooks: depending on my class schedule

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I really like this every week, if we can keep the momentum going

AJ Brooks: I know I don't have class on Tuesdays in the fall

Arielion Clawtooth: Another great reason to have text transcripts.

Zotarah Shepherd nods

Margaret Michalski: there are enough regulars here to moderate or help if someone can't make it.

Eleonora Porta: later?

Eliasdehart Sixpence: I like every week even though I don't always make it. There are the transcripts.

Kali Pizzaro: my god am i to prove my dedication at 2 in the morning ;)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we'll have a better site for them soon

AJ Brooks: yes - major kudos to iggy for those transcripts

Eliasdehart Sixpence: even though it is harder to find the time to read than attend

Zotarah Shepherd: Iggy or I can moderate if AJ is not here I think.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll move it all to Bluehost...Old URL will be valid until year's end

AJ Brooks: lol - yes @eliasdehart

Marc Rexen: Agreed.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks AJ--I love doing them b/c it makes me study what we say and I learn more

AJ Brooks: well - its an amazingly valuable thing you are doing for the whole community

AJ Brooks: this group and effort is FAR better thanks to you

Zotarah Shepherd smiles warmly to Iggy. Great job!

Margaret Michalski: and you AJ

Arielion Clawtooth: I just learned to do that!

AJ Brooks: lol

AJ Brooks: f2

AJ Brooks: f2 f2 f2

AJ Brooks: lol

Eliasdehart Sixpence: thank you AJ

Kali Pizzaro: what a team

Ignatius Onomatopoeia smiles back. thanks Zo :)

AJ Brooks: f8

JeanClaude Vollmar: Oh. LOL

Angelia Halsey: thanks for the tip

Eliasdehart Sixpence: and everyone who helps to make these sessions possible

Zotarah Shepherd: You're welcome Iggy.

Oronoque Westland: Looking good!

AJ Brooks: ok, folks, we've come to the end of another wonderful session

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll send Pappy Enoch if I ever wear out :)

Arielion Clawtooth: Remember to stuff the ballot box so your vote counts by joining everything!

Zotarah Shepherd: Productive session AJ. Thank you.

AJ Brooks: thanks for all the help - you (and those who have had to leave) are leaving an indelible mark on education in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good night all! off to dinner

Kali Pizzaro: off to bed yawn

Kali Pizzaro: cheers all

Margaret Michalski: Iggy ! I will be in touch

Arielion Clawtooth: 'Nite all!

JeanClaude Vollmar: I's gots to get going too.

Angelia Halsey: good night Kali!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good night all!