Transcript of May 12, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Students in Second Life
Special thanks to Margaret Michalski for organizing this event, as well as to her and Profesora Farigoule for getting me backups of the chat log to cover a gap after I briefly crashed.
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). I tossed in a couple of mine, too. See the Flickr group noted below.
Points worth noting:
Links Mentioned/Of Use:
AJ Brooks: ok - so, lets get started
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by our new benefactor, the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Olivia wherever you are :)
Haley Swansong: Nice to see so many people
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get some photos too
AJ Brooks: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our topic today is Students in Second Life.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
Olivia Hotshot: hiya Iggy - can only see your dreds at the moment
AJ Brooks: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
Olivia Hotshot: =)
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Zotarah Shepherd: Hello everyone
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins -- best part
George Linden: Hi!
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
Montclair State CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative - Faire:
Olivia Hotshot: grinning
AJ Brooks: We recently changed some of the meetings so make sure you check the schedule.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, Montclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
Olivia Hotshot: is there a monkey next to me?
Olivia Hotshot: =)
AJ Brooks: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: Be sure to circle June 2nd on your calendar. My special guest for that First of the Month meeting will be Harry Pence (SL: John2 Kepler)
Margaret Michalski: Hi Pathfinder!
AJ Brooks: Harry and I will be talking on the theme "Our Engaged is Not Their Engaged: The Myth of Undivided Attention".
Pathfinder Linden waves
Olivia Hotshot: wait 2 monkeys
AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
Terrence Linden: saw the foot?
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL I put Terrance's pic on the flickr group about SLER
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University
AJ Brooks: and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Pathfinder Linden: John Lester in RL, focused on Education and Healthcare Market Development, Linden Lab
Profesora Farigoule: LC Weaverling - Delaware Technical & Community College, Architectural Engineering - just finished first semester teaching a design studio inworld - which opens to public tomorrow BTW
Talus Nemeth: RL: Jason Shipley - Chicago based developer/designer currently focusing on immersive education + visualization through the Interactive Arts and Media Dept. @ Columbia College.
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico - Tech consultant
Katie Fenstalker: Katie Fenstalker (King), Women's Studies, U of Maryland.
Kali Pizzaro: Lecturer in nursing Scottish university
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Joe Essid, Writing Center Director, U of Richmond
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart. Margaret Michalski, Research Information Specialist from the Univer of Illinois at Chicago.
Firery Broome: University of Delaware, USA, IT User Services, Faculty support and island shepherdess
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Mentor, Western Governors University, Science Education Programs, remote located in NNY.
Zage Farman: Frederic Emam-Zade Gerardino (RL)
Zage Farman (SL)
Executive Director
Fundación Global Democracia y Desarrollo
www.funglode.org
www.funglode.ning.com
Dominican Republic
femamzade@mac.com
frederic@codetel.net.do
George Linden: George Scobie irl, focused on Education initiatives/outreach at Linden Lab - check my profile picks for office hour times/location!! ã‹¡
Teachergirl Razor: FL Carole Farber Faculty of Information and Media Studies, University of Western Ontario
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC, Jeff Le Blanc in RL. I'm from the University of Northwestern Ohio, and am the VP for IT there.
Terrence Linden: Terrence Cummings, Education Program Manager, Linden lab
Jango Carlucci: R. Ganis, architectural/civil engineering student at Delaware Tech community college
Educate Easterman: steve kramer-doing dissertation work on sl
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing MI, teach comp, creative writing, online, SL in fall.
Dusty Artaud: Randi Kopp, Marketing Consultant for Kidsbridge Tolerance Museum at TCNJ, Ewing, NJ
Vic Michalak: Phil Youngblood, CIS Dept Head, U of the Incarnate Word, San Antonio, Texas
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life.
Claudia Linden: ClaudiaLinden on twitter, education outreach, Linden Lab (Claudia L'Amoreaux)
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood. Focused on improving ESL teaching online and in the classroom through IT
Socrates Turbo: RL - Peter Noges. This upcoming fall I will be entering my sophomore year at the University of Richmond in Virginia. I am from the city of Tacoma which is about forty minutes south of Seattle in Washington State. I had Professor Joe Essid for my English 103 class during first semester this last year where we used Second Life as a tool for analytical writing. I wrote my final paper on the factors of virtual addiction in Second Life. I play water polo and plan to major in some area of biology.
DMZ Oh: Hello My name Joon Kim . Student at the University of Richmond in Richmond VA ... Currently IT student manager at school .... Took Iggy's classes
Viv Trafalgar: Viv Trafalgar - late & Still Rezzing; teacher, writer, builder, student
AJ Brooks: who else
AJ Brooks: folks in the theater seats - you too
Vic Michalak: We have co-taught 3 multi-disciplinary/international courses using SL; working on other apps
AJ Brooks: going once
Haley Swansong: k-8 computer teacher Michigan
Nemo Carrasco: Nemo Carrasco. Student of Communications at UBA in Venezuela
Lula Lupindo: Master student from Norway, writing about SL and distance education
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
Hattie Haystack: Clinical nursing instructor from Wisconsin
Merry Difference: Marilee Lines Assistive Technology Specialist VBCPS
Octavius Oceanlane: academic technology consultant
Bella Yan: Randolph Hollingsworth, Assistant Provost, University of Kentucky
AstroGrl Enzo: Danny Martino Sanitago Canyon College
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 45 on the sim now!
Octavius Oceanlane: Univ. of Richmond
AJ Brooks: awesome
AstroGrl Enzo: lotsa ppl here today!
AJ Brooks: anyone not said hi yet?
AJ Brooks: gong once
Elizabeth Canonmill: i haven't, but i keep crashing
TommyJW Ninetails: Steve Work, retired researcher at UVM
dowdy Denimore: I teach English at Sam Houston State University
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves at Octavius and tries to figure out who he is :)
Profdan Netizen: @Bella, very cool to see an Assistant Provost here!
AJ Brooks: well - very exciting
Bella Yan: lol
Octavius Oceanlane: Jon Messer
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins
AJ Brooks: I'd like to thank the students who are joining us today
AJ Brooks: Margaret - do you want to introduce the students who came prearranged
AJ Brooks: and then we'll let the others introduce themselves
AJ Brooks loves that hat
AJ Brooks: did we lose Margaret?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: she's still online
Haley Swansong: are we not on voice?
Margaret Michalski: I am here
AJ Brooks: no - we do not use voice for our regular meetings
Margaret Michalski: answering an iM
Haley Swansong: i c
AJ Brooks: onle for the First of the Month Special meetings
Margaret Michalski: Jango, DMZ OH and Socrates are our special guests
Margaret Michalski: I will have them introduce themselves
AJ Brooks: great
AJ Brooks: so - even if you already did in the circle intro
Margaret Michalski: Go ahead
AJ Brooks: please do so again
Socrates Turbo: Hello everyone
AJ Brooks waves at Socrates
Socrates Turbo: My name is Peter Noges. This upcoming fall I will be entering my sophomore year at the University of Richmond in Virginia. I am from the city of Tacoma which is about forty minutes south of Seattle in Washington State. I had Professor Joe Essid for my English 103 class during first semester this last year where we used Second Life as a tool for analytical writing. I wrote my final paper on the factors of virtual addiction in Second Life. I play water polo and plan to major in some area of biology.
AJ Brooks: excellent - thanks socrates
Jango Carlucci: R. Ganis, study architectural/civil engineering at Del Tech, with LC Weverling. i have one more year to go at deltec
AJ Brooks: hi Jango
DMZ Oh: Hi my name is Joon Kim aka DMZ Oh... I am a rising senior from the University of Richmond. and from Korea. I am a currently student manager at IT department . I took class with Iggy twice and both used second life.
AJ Brooks: thanks
AJ Brooks: Hi DMZ
Talus Nemeth: 1
AJ Brooks: thanks you three
AJ Brooks: do we have any other students here?
Margaret Michalski: there are several
Margaret Michalski: all students can participate
AJ Brooks: please
Nemo Carrasco: Me, but I already presented myself...
AJ Brooks: please tell us again
AJ Brooks: sometimes the intros get lost
AJ Brooks: and other students?
Nemo Carrasco: I am a student at the Universidad Bicentenaria de Aragua in Venezuela, first semester of Communications and Second Life junkie, I like cinema, literature and mostly writing.
AJ Brooks: ok
AJ Brooks: excellent
AJ Brooks: TY Nemo
AJ Brooks: do we have any other students?
Margaret Michalski: don't be shy
AJ Brooks: I'd like to hear some of the students thoughts, however.....
Jango Carlucci: we have cookies
AJ Brooks: what I'd like to ask of our audience
AJ Brooks: is that we not barrage them too much. :-) and try to let them share but also stay on a topic as closely as possible
AJ Brooks: so - Margaret - have you guys prepared something or should I start with a few thought provoding conversation starters?
Margaret Michalski: nothing specific
Jango Carlucci: since im an AET major the building that ive been doing has giving me a new meaning to what a house would look like when it has been completed
Margaret Michalski: I asked them what they like and don't like
AJ Brooks: ok - tell us more about that Jango
AJ Brooks: what is AET again?
Profesora Farigoule: Architectural Engineering Technology
Jango Carlucci: well wen architectural engineering tech
AJ Brooks: ok
AJ Brooks: and Second Life helped you better visualize?
Jango Carlucci: during the building i get to see what a room would look like and actually have a chance to walk through
Jango Carlucci: it
Jango Carlucci: while its 2d when drawn i cant get that
AJ Brooks: excellent
Jango Carlucci: it shows how rooms are going to look
AJ Brooks: ahve you worked with any 3d drawing programs
AJ Brooks: like Maya or others like that?
Jango Carlucci: yes ive used CAD
AJ Brooks: ok
AJ Brooks: and you prefer SL?
Jango Carlucci: yes i do
TommyJW Ninetails: did you build the room or transfer over the CAD and modify?
AJ Brooks: can CAD be brought into SL?
Jango Carlucci: cause i can get soo much more out of it a little more than cad but i havent tried doing that
Talus Nemeth: after a few file conversions, it can.
Jango Carlucci: ive been recreating some drawings that ive done in the past
AJ Brooks: excellent - and you found learning SL and building in SL easy or hard?
Jango Carlucci: kinda both
Margaret Michalski: @ jango- do your other classmates have a similar opinion
Jango Carlucci: umm they havent gone on sl as extensively as i have
Jango Carlucci: soo i was mainly teaching them
Jango Carlucci: how to build
AJ Brooks: did they share with you their thoughts about YOUR work in SL?
Jango Carlucci: and the short cuts used
Jango Carlucci: umm not to my knowledge if they did, they liked wat i built
AJ Brooks: great - thanks so much
Jango Carlucci: well this semester my class has put together a community on SL
AJ Brooks: Socrates, DMZ, your work didn't really revolve around technology like Jango's did
AJ Brooks: how did you find SL?
Socrates Turbo: My Professor Iggy introduced Second Life to our class as a learning tool, not a game.
DMZ Oh: Iggy introduced SL to us to explore the world... as in virtual world.
AJ Brooks: how did you use it in class?
AJ Brooks: can you share some examples?
Socrates Turbo: We all created avatars and access to a blog online where we could post our writing assignments. Usually we used SL for our topics.
Socrates Turbo: Sure
Socrates Turbo: We were divided into groups and were asked to write about marketing techniques of different companies that choose to advertise in SL
AJ Brooks: ok
Socrates Turbo: I wrote about the car company Scion
Socrates Turbo: We were also asked to use the freedom of SL to switch our genders in game and write about how other avatars reacted to us compared to our normal appearance in game
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
AJ Brooks: When Dr. Essid first talked about SL, how did you feel about it - what were your thoughts?
AJ Brooks: before getting really into it
DMZ Oh: sorry guys... I am at work doing phone support
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: s'ok DMZ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: multitasking Millennials!
AJ Brooks: lol
Socrates Turbo: Well he did a great job at introducing the client as a virtual tool for exploration rather than a game. I was a bit skeptical whether or not SL would be helpful but I would say I felt eager to use it
DMZ Oh: yes some professor needed with AV system
AJ Brooks: skeptical?
Socrates Turbo: When Iggy told me about the educational uses of SL I became really interested
AJ Brooks: skeptical because you thought it was a game?
Socrates Turbo: I was unsure if SL was truly a useful educational tool
Socrates Turbo: yes
AJ Brooks nods
AJ Brooks: Nemo - how about you?
Socrates Turbo: When I heard virtual world I assumed SL was a game like World of Warcraft or Everquest
AJ Brooks: how did you use SL in class?
DMZ Oh: ok i am back
Nemo Carrasco: Me?
Nemo Carrasco: We're still with pen and paper at the classes
AJ Brooks nods head
AJ Brooks: oh - ok, so you did not use it in class - you use it on your own?
Margaret Michalski: DMZ go ahead
DMZ Oh: Well in Eng 103 we used it as a tool to explorer in the second life as a virtual world.... Gave an idea of how certain technology can effect our regular lifestyle..
DMZ Oh: We first talked about cell phone technology or about pencil...
Nemo Carrasco: Yes, I was hired by a college professor to investigate some sims and helped me as a reporter experience
DMZ Oh: and then moved to this new world called "second life"
Nemo Carrasco: I had to interview some SL users about it
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, may i ask a question or are we saving them for the end?
DMZ Oh: we used it as a tool to explorer wherever we want to go or do whatever we want to... which was great because i was able to take a break at the beach while i was in the class room.
AJ Brooks: I was just going to let the students finish their thoughts and then ask if there were any questions
AJ Brooks: so good timing, Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: ok =) ty
Nemo Carrasco: So far it's the closest experience (both SL or in RL) I have had as a journalist
Socrates Turbo: Well said
DMZ Oh: 2nd class that i took with Iggy is more based on technology and how it could relate to literature.
Nemo Carrasco: (take in mind that Communications IS journalism here but with another name)
DMZ Oh: We read many books and watched few video's about how technology can change the society...
DMZ Oh: for example... snowcrash... we read the book and we were able to actually see it with our eyes in SL...
AJ Brooks: well - you students are awesome to join us today - thank you so much, you have no idea how important your viewpoint is to everyone here
AJ Brooks: I'd like to let some of our audience members ask questions
AJ Brooks: now - audience
AJ Brooks: when you ask, please remember to address the student so they know you are aksing them
Pathfinder Linden has a scroll for DMZ to take a look at...don't worry, it's just full of static...
AJ Brooks: try using @name
TommyJW Ninetails: how about the cell phone..? pretty big change there
AJ Brooks: that seems to work
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Path :)
Octavius Oceanlane: how much time was devoted to SL for course work?
Viv Trafalgar: haha
AJ Brooks: how much time did you guys use SL for class?
DMZ Oh: Devoted to sl... well i wanted to create good project, which i received A -... so i spent all
DMZ Oh: my effort on second life
Olivia Hotshot: I noticed several of the students referred to SL as a game, and to me it is very different from a game - like WoW, after being inworld for awhile - do they still think of it as a game?
Elizabeth Canonmill: And I keep asking everyone about access. Did you go to a computer lab to use SL?
Jango Carlucci: well for my course work since we met 2 times a week almost the 3hours but it wasnt all the time, but after school i dedicated quite a few hours like 5+
Topher Zwiers: Question for each - When you first entered Second Life - what sort of guidance were you given? Did you enter through Linden Orientation island or a different one?
Zotarah Shepherd: @DMZ Have you made friends in SL or developed a social life in SL too?
AJ Brooks: ok - lets hold there
AJ Brooks: hold there
AJ Brooks: we have four questions
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: eager audience :)
DMZ Oh: But i loved iggy's class with a lot of passion... especially i was taking 3 science courses and this was a break time for me..
Nemo Carrasco: I don't think of SL as a game, but rather as a virtual world since a game is meant to have an object or goal, while SL as is life in general lacks of it.
AJ Brooks: lest start with, in hours, how much time did you guys spend in/with SL for class?
Olivia Hotshot: thank you Nemo
Jango Carlucci: i was taught the basic builds by my teacher and taught myself the more useful ones
Haley Swansong: @ DMZ did you experience SL as a place to build or did you explore areas already built
Olivia Hotshot: too funny
Jango Carlucci: /advanced
DMZ Oh: SL is not a game... i mean it is a virtual world, and games are virtual world too... but this one does not have a script nor set goal or objective... games do...
Olivia Hotshot: ty DMZ
AJ Brooks: and how about access
AJ Brooks: did you guys have problems with access to SL?
AJ Brooks: *guys
DMZ Oh: i explorer areas already built....
Socrates Turbo: I do not think of SL as a game. I believe this since there are no specific goals or objectives for users. I think the term game needs to be defined because surely some people spend time racing cars just like people do in video games. I think users can create their own activities to take part in and therefore make SL their own game
Jango Carlucci: access to the game since i owned my own computer i went on practically every day
AJ Brooks smiles broadly
Haley Swansong: @DMZ which area did you find most "educational"
AJ Brooks: were each of you able to get into SL from your home computer?
Profesora Farigoule: notes that that wasn't true for all students in class
Nemo Carrasco: About access, I own a PC and can access there in my free time, I can't download it at the college since as far as most the alumni and the staff cares, it's a game.
Olivia Hotshot: ty Socrates (and chuckles at even saying that)
Nemo Carrasco: Yes, Brooks.
Socrates Turbo: I did not have any trouble with access to SL. I used my laptop. Our computer labs did not have SL.
DMZ Oh: when Iggy used it as the first time in class....SL was having a lot of trouble.... keep crashing... and lagging. but now it improved a lot... We had old computers in lab so it was slow but no problem using SL if you have ethernet cord
Profesora Farigoule: I had to beg and threaten to get SL in Open lab for students w/0 own computer
Kali Pizzaro: Did the time you spent in Sl affect your other studies. ie was it detrimental
Jango Carlucci: yea i know we only had 3 laptops in the class
AJ Brooks: great question kali
Jango Carlucci: luckily i had my own
Elizabeth Canonmill: Where did you meet for class?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: keep in mind, they had to download the client from LL or a network drive every time they used it in a lab
Olivia Hotshot: [as a side note - we have made quite an advance here - lab managers across campus are now looking at SL as a standard component of installs for Fall]
AJ Brooks: Did SL impact your non-sl classes - by taking time away from other studies?
Jango Carlucci: i had to say i luved to build and it did interfere with my studies a little
Profesora Farigoule: and where do you teach Olivia :D
Profesora Farigoule: ??
Profdan Netizen: Very cool, Olivia.
DMZ Oh: My major is biochem.... and i found this one place that was science place (it was three years ago so i cannot remember the name)... but it showed animation of basic chemistry and how molecules react under high pressure...
Margaret Michalski: @ all panelists. Is lag and some navigation the only negatives you see is SL?
Olivia Hotshot: Cal State
Nemo Carrasco: I have been tried to reduce it for that reason, Profesora.
AJ Brooks: sounds like Genome Island http://slurl.com/secondlife/Genome/119/144/54
Viv Trafalgar: DMZ, Drexel Island has a lot of molecule rezzers as well.
Jango Carlucci: yes lag is the biggest problem, i sometimes get it, but it does become a problem
DMZ Oh: Iggy is right... our computers at school as deep freeze system, which wipes whatever you did ... so whenever you sign off it erased everything
Teachergirl Razor: [we have it on four of the public university abs and all Faculty labs]
Vic Michalak: Question for Jango (AET): Did you have to change scales to convert from RL plans to an SL house? [We built a 2-story house from blueprints and found we had to scale up by a factor of 1.5 for the house to "feel" right in SL]
Socrates Turbo: @AJ - SL did not impact my other classes because the time spent on SL directly helped me complete my writing tasks in class. I felt that using SL helped me get my work done faster.
Olivia Hotshot: excellent Teachergirl!
AJ Brooks: TY Socrates
Jango Carlucci: yes for a community we built on sl as a class, i believe it was 1:1 scale correct me if im wrong professor
AJ Brooks: Socrates, before we are done, I'd like to hear about your work on online addiction
Kali Pizzaro: thanks all
Profesora Farigoule: @Vic - my decision to stay in RL scale - as it was first time with metric system, and one conversion was giving enough challenge
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll get the URL for his project on it :)
Margaret Michalski: @ panelists, was there something in your classes that was not covered but would have liked to do in SL?
Jango Carlucci: all the house were scaled, but depending on what scaling system u used
Profesora Farigoule: our builds do look "small" for that reason - maybe choose differently next time
DMZ Oh: Margaret... lagging is always problem... the thing is network is not perfect and we do share ethernet cord, which can get crashed while sending information....
Socrates Turbo: @ Margaret - Lag, and slow load times are negatives of SL. As I explored Scion City, the virtual Scion Dealership in Second Life, I found that the slow load times and lag made my experience in Scion City very confusing.
Zotarah Shepherd: Does the social aspect of SL add or distract from learning and creating in SL?
Vic Michalak: Thanks... yes, we had to convert from English to metric and then scale by 1.5...
DMZ Oh: so sometime it gets disconnected...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://fall103.pbworks.com/Peter%27s-Big-Research-Paper
Jango Carlucci: yes same here i had to use a conversion calculator from feet to meters
AJ Brooks: other than lag - what were the biggest challenges of SL
Socrates Turbo: Ok
AJ Brooks: not of SL
AJ Brooks: of using SL in your class
Nemo Carrasco: Zotarah, the social aspect of SL distracts me but as well helps me to join to new projects. Like the 1920's Berlin Project I have helped around a bit.
DMZ Oh: @Margaret. Iggys class was relaxing even though a lot of work.
Jango Carlucci: if your not big on video games it is hard to get into it was for 2 of our students who used it this past semester
DMZ Oh: i wish all my class was like iggys class doing stuff in SL
Bella Yan: DMZ - what are some good things about how your ENG103 teacher oriented the class to Second Life? Was it a surprise or different somehow from what you expected given what the instructor had said about it?
Jango Carlucci: i agree with DMZ
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Nemo
Jango Carlucci: classes in sl can be fun
Nemo Carrasco: I really can't picture how a SL class would be....
Olivia Hotshot: To Any Students - have you been asked to present any of your work in SL to other students to show them exemplars?
AJ Brooks: audience - if you ask a question and it did not get address - try posting it again, it may have scrolled into the chat history
Elizabeth Canonmill: I am wondering where in SL people met for class...all three of you
Jango Carlucci: yes i have, olivia
DMZ Oh: When iggy mentioned about SL... i laughed at the first time... because it looked like a cheap game... but after a while, i realized that it wasnt... It made me open up my eye how technology is changing so quickly and people can utilize this technology to change the life...
Margaret Michalski: @ jango, is it because it is not as stressful for you as talking face-to-face.
Serena Guardian: Have any of you experienced a writing or composition class in SL?
Kali Pizzaro: one of the problems I anticipate is the issue of firewalls blocking Sl, as a lot of my students are working in the NHS and may not be able to access in the library. Do any of you have this problem?
Pathfinder Linden: question: as students, for each of you, what was the single most difficult and challenging thing about using SL for your class?
Jango Carlucci: well in my class we only had 5 people total including the teacher so it was kind of easy to use sl for the in class work
Olivia Hotshot: TY Jango
Topher Zwiers: @panelists - When you first entered Second Life, did you enter through Linden Orientation island or a different one? What sort of guidance were you given?
Profesora Farigoule: ... when we had enough laptops LOL
Socrates Turbo: @ Aj - My topic was exploring the factors of virtual addiction in Second Life. I interviewed avatars that admitted to addiction, interviewed psychologists, and read several academic works on online addiction. I found that Second Life is a virtual playground. Activities in SL that can provide fulfillment, success, or happiness to participants in Second Life are nearly endless as users are able to create and shape structures to their preference and even implement digital scripts of coding to give their virtual creations real world properties. People play to find success and happiness in areas they are not finding in RL.
Jango Carlucci: yes that is true profesora
Nemo Carrasco: I think language is a big issues, I have found Second Life mostly Anglophone-centric, which is understandable for both parts
Nemo Carrasco: For some reason beyond my understand, I did not pass any orientation, I think.
Nemo Carrasco: *understanding.
Jango Carlucci: i just skipped through noob island, im a hard core gamer
Olivia Hotshot: @Nemo - neither did i - and I don't think we are unusual
DMZ Oh: the most difficult thing..... it would be know how to use SL... its like learning how to play new game... but more complicated because there is no such thing as objective or plan...
AJ Brooks: WOW - Socrates!
Pathfinder Linden: @panelists - as students, for each of you, what was the single most difficult and challenging thing about using SL for your class?
Nemo Carrasco: Kudos to Socrates' insight.
Pathfinder Linden: Socrates, great summary!
Jango Carlucci: random people griefing you as you build
Jango Carlucci: sandboxes
Haley Swansong: @dmz did you wonder around in Sl for a while or have a destination in mind
Olivia Hotshot: Panelists - Faculty seem to obsess over how long students will fiddle with avatar looks and the ability to use basic skills - what is your take on it - a non-question? or important to consider?
Profdan Netizen: Students in writing classes--did you do any writing not related to SL, and if so, how did you use SL to complete the assignment.
Zotarah Shepherd: Good question Olivia
Vic Michalak: @panelists -- How were you assessed/tested? In or outside SL or by demonstration of skills or what?
DMZ Oh: @haley... i was exploring everywhere I could using search function or even googling... First, it was hard because a lot of sites were either not properly made or did not give good information.
Jango Carlucci: it depends on the person controlling the avatar is it not olivia
Profesora Farigoule: @Olivia ... I myself am *most* guilty on that account, so I actually helped students "fiddle" w avatars - and had one class day just for that purpose
Olivia Hotshot: @Janjo - i will refrain from expressing my opinion =)
AJ Brooks: lol
Jango Carlucci: for me i just chose this avi, cause i like dogs
dowdy Denimore: Hey!
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
Dusty Artaud: @ students - do ou see yourselves as remaining SL active users once you graduate, and what is your vision of what SL should offer you in the near future that it does not offer you today?
Nemo Carrasco: I mostly like to write into the fantastic genre among others and let me tell you that SL has been quite an inspiration for aspiring writers I have found around.
Olivia Hotshot: @Profesora - i see no wrong in that - personal representation is important to me - rl and vw
Stefanie Firecaster: Hey dr. dowdy
Kali Pizzaro: ok thanks students I have to go - 23.21 here :-o
Socrates Turbo: @ Profdan Netizen - We did an assignment where we were to take a real life photo of anything in real life that reminded us of Second Life. Mine can be found here under October 1st, 2008 entry: http://fall103.pbworks.com/Peter%27s+Blog+Page
DMZ Oh: I dont know if this is happening or not... but I would like to see SL connecting people to the real job and do interview through here or so
Jango Carlucci: i would still use sl after i graduate, just to keep building houses because i get so much out of doing it plus its really fun, ive prolly done around 10 houses in one semester
Serena Guardian: thanks Nemo....O
Serena Guardian: I'm wondering if SL has any effect on the way you write?
Nemo Carrasco: Dusty, I think that Second Life, as an educational tool, hasn't reached not even half of the potential it could have in so many branches, not only technological
Elizabeth Canonmill: Socrates, that is such a cool assignment!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Reminder to faculty: you can bring students in at New Media's portal: http://sl.nmc.org/join/
Profesora Farigoule: I am also hoping Jango will come back and TA for me in the Fall in SL :)
DMZ Oh: Serena... well SL chat is very informal ... it is basically same as AIM..
Zotarah Shepherd: I would think that being able to express a part of one's self in SL - fiddling with appearance - would add to the immersion and "dispelling disbelief" so SL would be a more effective media to create and learn.
DMZ Oh: it definitely affects how you write improperly...
Viv Trafalgar: What would you wish for it Nemo?
Jango Carlucci: i agree with DMZ
Olivia Hotshot: Panelists - do you think Sl caused you to have a deeper learning experience as a result of your participation ? did achievement come easier?
Viv Trafalgar: (apologies - chat lag)
Socrates Turbo: I do not see myself using Second Life after I graduate... but I do see myself using similar technology in the future. I am attracted to the concept of a virtual world with endless opportunities but the graphics are not strong enough to hold my interest for long.
Serena Guardian: lol DMZ, could you explain about writing "improperly"?
Jango Carlucci: im starting to use short hand while i write papers
Nemo Carrasco: What would you wish of what, Miss Trafalgar?
Margaret Michalski: @ All panelists- a couple of weeks ago we had a discussion about administrators accepting SL for education. If your teacher asked you for an idea how to convince them what would you say?
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, Socrates, for the picture.
DMZ Oh: well Serena... using short cuts...
Serena Guardian: interesting DMZ:)
Nemo Carrasco: I don't fully understand the question, Viv.
Viv Trafalgar: Sorry Nemo - that was a lagged question from back when you said that SL has a ways to grow in the good sense as far as educational opportunities
DMZ Oh: like lol.... sup...
Jango Carlucci: it is beneficiary for the AET field, and show them pictures of wat i have done
Vic Michalak: [Good question Margaret... I really would like to know that myself!]
Serena Guardian: lol....I do it now all the time:)
Jango Carlucci: to persuade them to let us use sl for that field
Margaret Michalski: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that I can create my own inventions and designs in SL. I don't know of another virtual world that allows the degree of original creation that SL does.
DMZ Oh: It would be a great idea to have classes in Sl instead of going to class
Nemo Carrasco: Historical representations, proving and showing applied maths, engineering, so many possibilities... even teacher, Viv!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ROFLMAO thinking of this being seen by my chair in my annual review :)
DMZ Oh: such as online course or summer school
Haley Swansong: Was SL like a virtual field trip
Jango Carlucci: in a way classes can be pod casted as well soon prolly
Bella Yan: would you want to publish your research findings - for example, co-author a formal paper for a journal?
Profesora Farigoule: our class blog is at : http://aet275dtcc.blogspot.com/
Socrates Turbo: @ Olivia - I think SL did cause me to have a deeper learning experience. I struggled with finding topics for my writing but by simply logging into SL and exploring and talking to others I feel that naturally I raise questions. I believe SL helped me learn to create questions when I do not have any at first.
Serena Guardian: well, it's one way of dealing with limited classroom space...
AJ Brooks: AND SL is the ONLY one that does not lay claim to the intellectual property rights of what you create here
Profesora Farigoule: @Jango - podcasting is definitely in the future plans
DMZ Oh: if they can do class room through webcam... they can definitely do through SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: DMZ's lit class can be found at: http://writing2.richmond.edu/jessid/eng216/ and http://inventedworlds.wikispaces.com/
Nemo Carrasco: But then, it would heavily rely on the honor system for many things...
Vic Michalak: @panelists - How were you tested/assessed?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and Socrates' writing course at: http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/
Socrates Turbo: @ Margaret - I have prepared 3 ways to introduce SL to different target audiences
Margaret Michalski: @ Socrates- what are they?
Socrates Turbo: In class Iggy had us explain SL to 3 people. I chose my father (engineer), a classmate, and a Professor
Jango Carlucci: vic: i was tested first to draw a single line diagram first and add some profile views, then when it was assessed and approved, i then transferred it over into sl
Margaret Michalski: if you can tell
Socrates Turbo: Let me copy them, one second :)
Nemo Carrasco: I would try to convince the staff about the possibilities of simulate experiences, I, for example, have to travel to the next state for an asigment
Serena Guardian: GREAT assignment
Socrates Turbo: It can be found here:
Socrates Turbo: http://fall103.pbworks.com/SL+Project
Margaret Michalski: Thanks
Profesora Farigoule: @Vic - I also had students submit self-assessment for our first class in SL - as I was sure there was a lot I wasn't aware of going on in the process
AJ Brooks shakes his head in disbelief
DMZ Oh: he changed course quite a bit since i took it... I feel old...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: rising senior :)
DMZ Oh: Yes sir!!
AJ Brooks: As much as I hate to say this, our time is almost up. There is no need to leave, if you want to stay, but before people DO start leaving I want to thank Margaret michalski for organizing this, and Socrates, Jango, DMZ, and Nemo for sharing with us
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: many thanks to Margaret
DMZ Oh: Thank you
Margaret Michalski: @ panelists, If you had to play teacher for a day would you teach in SL
Haley Swansong: ty
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks you students and Margaret!
[much applause as the crowd goes wild]
Katie Fenstalker: claps with thanks.
Nemo Carrasco: I would love to participate more here.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to the visitors, if you want to know about my grading for the projects, you can see the guidelines at the links. I'll run the transcript later this week.
AJ Brooks: you are certainly welcome to come back and join us
Elizabeth Canonmill: hurrah, this was awesome
Margaret Michalski: Thanks to Iggy and Profesora and the students for remembering to come
Jango Carlucci: if you would like to see how the AET field works, ask me or professor for a landmark to our little community that we built as a project
Grinn Pidgeon: I got here late, but this is the most interesting SL stuff I've heard in a long time. Thanks much.
Serena Guardian: thank you all
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you students *smiles*
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent session!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia applauds..GO SPIDERS!
AJ Brooks: we meet here each week - although we talk about a WIDE variety of topics, all related to Education
Margaret Michalski: Otherwise AJ would kill me
Jerod Bagley: Thanks Margaret. The panel was a great idea.
Margaret Michalski: : )
George Linden: Fantastic discussion X) I would love to follow up with anyone interested at my office hours (see my Profile Picks). I'm loving the different topics that came up today. Thanks so much!!!
sammy Chieng: margaret would be a great teacher in Sl
Vic Michalak: If anyone would like to participate in an international class, I would like to talk with you.........
Pathfinder Linden: this rocked. thanks, presenters, and thanks to the organizers of this roundtable. always enlightening!
Dusty Artaud wipes tears of wonder from her eyes
DMZ Oh: well Thank you... GO SPIDERS!!!
sammy Chieng: she is really good
Firery Broome: Thanks for talking with us!
Fred Brecher: Thanks, students. Bravo.
dowdy Denimore: Thanks students
AJ Brooks: drop the SLURL into the chat window, Jango
DMZ Oh: My work is closing... gotta leave.....
George Linden: AJ, thank you, great roundtable as always!!
Nemo Carrasco: Ah, can't join the group, I have maxed my groups
Margaret Michalski: thanks for coming
Socrates Turbo: @ Margaret - I would teach in Second Life. There are truly some interesting places to go. I would show my biology class a life size model of the human heart if I taught one
Serena Guardian: thanks DMZ
Margaret Michalski: great feedback
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, thanks again for a great session
Profesora Farigoule: we will be sending out invite tomorrow through Group SLED lists for our project
Elizabeth Canonmill: socrates, where did you meet for class in SL?
Socrates Turbo: Thanks for inviting me and thanks for coming!
sammy Chieng: thanks margaret and AJ
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ
Socrates Turbo: I met in the basement of Jepson Hall
Pathfinder Linden: Socrates, you should check out the giant model of a human larynx here: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Second%20Earth%207/70/181/48
Bourne Denimore: lol
Elizabeth Canonmill: i mean in SL, thanks
Elizabeth Canonmill: oops
Socrates Turbo: Thanks Pathfinder!
Pathfinder Linden: my pleasure
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mostly, Socrates' class never met as a group in SL
Elizabeth Canonmill: ohhh
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and used it mostly out of class
AJ Brooks: i love that hat
Elizabeth Canonmill: i missed that part, sorry!
Olivia Hotshot: see you next week everyone!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
Socrates Turbo: Students met together for a few assignments but Iggy is right
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what hat??
Pathfinder Linden: take care everyone
AJ Brooks: Pathfinders
AJ Brooks: go ahead - touch it
AJ Brooks: :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't touch it...ever :)
Margaret Michalski: Thanks everyone!
AJ Brooks grins and ducks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you get a fireball :)
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Margaret!
Pathfinder Linden: I'm red hot! lol
Zotarah Shepherd: See you next week everyone.
Profesora Farigoule: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Architecture/41/8/22/?title=DTCC%20AET%20275%20-%20Student%20Design%20Project
Profesora Farigoule: here is Jango's class slurl
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I knew that something had clicked when the groups were going IRL to the library to work on projects in SL
Profesora Farigoule: above
Elizabeth Canonmill: thanks aj and margaret for such a great session!
Educate Easterman: thanks all :)
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks Profesora
Katie Fenstalker: thank you everyone
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll hang out to log the chat until we all go
Nemo Carrasco: Sorry about the music, I accidentally clicked on the voice chat
Hattie Haystack: thanks to all the students for sharing...and to aj for a great topic
Pathfinder Linden is happy that his hat amuses
Teachergirl Razor: thanks again AJ et al
Viv Trafalgar: Sighs. Sitting next to pathfinder is dangerous.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
AJ Brooks: Margaret gets full credit for the idea and for organizing the students
Viv Trafalgar: does that qualify as a white hat or a black hat Path?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: uh oh
Pathfinder Linden: grey
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: poof
Hattie Haystack: thanks Margaret
JeanClaude Vollmar: Thanks again! See you all next week.
Margaret Michalski: the hour just goes by too fast
Margaret Michalski: thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it sure did
Margaret Michalski: most people can't wait for Fridays
Profesora Farigoule: got another meeting - ty all
Viv Trafalgar: the grey is the smoke.
AJ Brooks: its the old entertaining theory
Margaret Michalski: for me its Tuesday
Profesora Farigoule: espec all students
Viv Trafalgar: must be white.
AJ Brooks: always leave them wanting more
Margaret Michalski: : )
Katie Fenstalker: bye
Margaret Michalski: SLER brightens a hard week
Elizabeth Canonmill: Margaret, did you say you were doing your dissertation?
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Lindens for coming
AJ Brooks: Thanks again, everyone - I have to run myself
Profdan Netizen: Definitely, Margaret.
Margaret Michalski: @ Elizabeth
Margaret Michalski: yes
Elizabeth Canonmill: at MSU?
Profdan Netizen: Bye, AJ, thanks again.
Margaret Michalski: no, aj the University of IL at Chicago
Margaret Michalski: area of Public Helath but I am open to everything.
Elizabeth Canonmill: ah, I'm working on mind at the moment too
Elizabeth Canonmill: this is my break for the week
Elizabeth Canonmill: mine
Margaret Michalski: If everything works out I plan to defend my proposal in July
Margaret Michalski: then I plan a special event in SL
Margaret Michalski: that is assuming they pass me
Margaret Michalski: My committee chair has an avatar but refuses to tell me the name
Elizabeth Canonmill: they will! I'm so jealous you are defending already!
Socrates Turbo: Thanks again everyone, I am logging off it has been fun.
Margaret Michalski: any ideas on that front
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Socrates
Margaret Michalski: I have to get going myself
Socrates Turbo: Thank you Aj, Margaret, and everyone for all the great questions
Elizabeth Canonmill: thanks socrates
Margaret Michalski: Iggy I will send you the transcript right now.
Nemo Carrasco: I have to go now, folks. I have two exams tomorrow
Oronoque Westland: @ Elizabeth...I like "I am working on mind"...suits what we due here
Margaret Michalski: Student, you are welcome every week.
Margaret Michalski: See ya!
Elizabeth Canonmill: lol
Elizabeth Canonmill: true, oronoque
Oronoque Westland: do not due...does more typos lol
Oronoque Westland: gosh
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my students really enjoyed this session
Oronoque Westland: can't spell
Oronoque Westland: yes it was great
Oronoque Westland: logged on a little late so looking forward to the transcript
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll have it soon, O
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: did you see the NWN story about Virtual Harlem?
Oronoque Westland: no problem...you are always fast
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice coverage
Profdan Netizen: Iggy, did you have any students that just couldn't get into or use SL effectively?
[Iggy's note: didn't see this in chat and was about to log out. But to answer Dan, yes, a few students the first two semesters did not like SL at all. The class that Socrates took was uniformly engaged by midterm, and that interest grew. I think it was my doing, in part: the first two semesters the assignments and tasks were not as coherent as they were the third time around, and I feel that I introduced SL much better to that group]
Oronoque Westland: no, I haven't
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins..always try to be fast :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: check it out...just ran yesterday
Oronoque Westland: o, thanks