Transcript of May 5, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Health and Health Education in Second Life. Special guest Carol Perry (SL: Carolina Keats)
Voice to text transcription: Mirt Tenk Backup transcript: Margaret Michalski
Iggy's Notes: Send corrections to iggyo -at- mac -dot- com
Links Mentioned:
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Today is our Special First of the Month roundtable. Our topic today is Health and Health Education in Second Life and I'll be interviewing our special guest Carol Perry (SL: Carolina Keats)
AJ Brooks: For these first of the month meetings the guest and I use voice chat.
Mirt Tenk: Carol Perryman
AJ Brooks: If you are having problems with voice chat, you should check the signs behind me or check with Margaret Michalski up front here (IM HER) for assistance.Special thanks to Margaret for helping out.
AJ Brooks: Our transcriber today is Mirt Tenk and it is her unenviable task of summarizing in text chat what is being said in voice chat.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
AJ Brooks: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scrive, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins
Mirt Tenk thinks maybe he's a scrive too . . . dunno
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ignatius the Scrivener? I'd prefer not to.
Viv Trafalgar: ::coughs::
Mirt Tenk: lol
AJ Brooks: We recently changes some of the meetings so make sure you check the schedule.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves at Viv :)
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
Kali Pizzaro: fab
Viv Trafalgar: hi Iggy :)
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
Montclair State CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative - Faire:
Grinn Pidgeon: ah, iggy, ah humanity
AJ Brooks: Since many have asked, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth FREE LAND INITIATIVE.
AJ Brooks: Details can be found in the notegiver on the eastern inside wall of the amphitheater and also the appropriate display located outside the amphitheater.
Montclair State CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative - Faire:
AJ Brooks: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 31 different educational community members.
AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
AJ Brooks: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: Be sure to circle June 2nd on your calendar. My special guest for that First of the Month meeting will be Harry Pence (SL: John2 Kepler)
AJ Brooks: Harry and I will be talking on the theme "Our Engaged is Not Their Engaged: The Myth of Undivided Attention".
Mirt Tenk: good one
AJ Brooks: On a side not, for one of our MSU English classes we invested in a scripted game of Quidditch. Those educators who helped test it had such a good time...
Kali Pizzaro: yep
AJ Brooks: ...that we've considered trying to get a few teams together to have some fun and play. If you are interested, drop me a notecard or IM me for details.
Profesora Farigoule: fun fun fun
Oronoque Westland: great fun watching you all
Viv Trafalgar: ::whistles loudly. It's awesome::
hobbs Constantine: totally!!!
AJ Brooks: No experience or prior knowledge of Quidditch needed.
Carolina Keats: how very cool!
AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
Viv Trafalgar: <-- has broom, will travel
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: As a point of housekeeping, although our session today will take place in voice chat, we do encourage questions from the audience. If you have a question, please IM it to me directly.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pappy Enoch--> Future Quidditch King
AJ Brooks: Certainly, one of the great things about mixed media is that, although we are using voice, we do have the text chat as well, and I encourage you to use the text chat as a sort of "back channel" conversation.
AJ Brooks: However, if you want a question addressed, please IM me and I'll ask it, time and conversation permitting.
AJ Brooks: Remember, also, that anything that goes on in the text chat become part of the chat transcript.
AJ Brooks: Lets get started.
AJ Brooks: For those of you who do not know me, I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University
AJ Brooks: and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
AJ Brooks: Our guest today I will tell you a very little bit about and then I will let her introduce herself.
AJ Brooks: Carol Perryman, Carolina Keats in Second Life, is a medical librarian and the Project Coordinator of the National Library of Medicine Project.
AJ Brooks: She is also the coordinator of HealthInfo Island, a place anyone who has been in SL for more than a few months knows about.
Carolina Keats laughing
AJ Brooks: What else should we know about you, Carolina?
Carolina Keats: hmm. well - I am a 5th year phd student at unc chapel hill
Gwenette Writer: She is kind:)
Carolina Keats: where my focus is on evidence based practice
Carolina Keats: I've been here more than 2 years
Carolina Keats: have fallen into all the oceans
Carolina Keats: and learned more than I can possibly tell
Carolina Keats: other than that, I would like to announce
Carolina Keats: that I have accepted a faculty position in texas, and will be leaving sl
Mirt Tenk: oh my!
Carolina Keats: how about that for a way to start - but this is my first announcement
Kali Pizzaro: oh, well done
Gwenette Writer: r u returning as a new ava from the Lone Star State
Panacea Luminos: aww
Dewey Jung: congrats, carolina!
Carolina Keats: thank you!
Elizabeth Canonmill: congrats!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said thanks for sharing this, we hope you'll find your way back here
Mirt Tenk: AJ said tell us how you got started in SL
Carolina Keats: well, - it's lori bell's fault
Robin Mochi: :)
Dewey Jung: it's all lori's fault
Carolina Keats: so many people know lorelei junot, but they may not know how persistent she is
Carolina Keats: we'd long kept in touch, after working together as medical librarians in peoria illinois, from friendship and a strong, shared interest in educational technology
Carolina Keats: she began to urge me to investigate this weird thing, sl
Carolina Keats: no, I said - lori, I have no time (meaning - are you nuts, woman? I'm doing my lit review!)
Carolina Keats: but she kept talking
Carolina Keats: and eventually the talk turned to a grant application, which (amazingly) was funded by the national library of medicine
Carolina Keats: that was july 2006
Carolina Keats: 1000 years ago in terms of sl experience, so many encounters, so much learned
Carolina Keats: sure
Mirt Tenk: AJ said would you tell us what the grant was for, and what a medical librarian does?
Carolina Keats: I am both a consumer health and a medical librarian
Carolina Keats: as a med librarian, I support the info needs of health & allied health professionals, identifying best practices, serving as resource for research, hands on education for people from the entire health prof spectrum
Carolina Keats: as a consumer health librarian I work with you - all of you, one-to-one, sometimes in times of crisis
Carolina Keats: newly diagnosed, or a parent with an ill child: I partner with you, with the goal of empowerment
Carolina Keats: so that you can know a little more about a topic, have some more specific questions to ask of your providers, so that you can feel a greater sense of comfort
Carolina Keats: the grant (strictly called a project, by nlm, in fact) was & has continued to be, through 4 grants now, experimental
Carolina Keats: who do we serve? what do people need? as with educators, an exploration
Carolina Keats: yes, healthinfo is the first project, embodied
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: What was the initial grant for?
Carolina Keats: a created environment - space to meet, to display interactive content, to have workshops
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: how do you deal w/confidentiality? IE, someone on a parcel was having a RL phone conversation, AJ overheard the phone conversation b/c they had their mic on, didn't realize voice chat reaches further than text
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: second part of question, other part of SL that is valuable to many is anonymity. How do you handle this when you don't know whom you're really talking to?
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: if someone is talking about something like suicidal tendencies, how do you deal w/this?
Carolina Keats: I wish I had voice for this part!
Carolina Keats: but I'll do my best
Carolina Keats: sure
Mirt Tenk: I will transcribe if I can hear
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll cam in too
Panacea Luminos: yes
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Robin Mochi: yes
Carolina Keats: the answers here are - complex, individual
Carolina Keats: first, I'll say that yes, I have dealt with suicidal people in sl, online through other research I've done as well
Carolina Keats: it is very real
Carolina Keats: you asked about confidentiality re sound distance, how I'd handle that
AJ Brooks: :-)
Arielion Clawtooth: Oh. :)
Carolina Keats: usually it is not a problem
AJ Brooks nods
Carolina Keats: we can go to a more private space (healthinfo has many)
Arielion Clawtooth: The audio is being captured too isn't it?
Carolina Keats: or we can go to im
Carolina Keats: or - and I frequently have done this - we can go to email
AJ Brooks nods
Carolina Keats: I tell my own real name and location, and have had people google me, coming back to say (with some surprise) 'you're real!'
Carolina Keats: it's as simple as saying, though -you may be overheard
John2 Kepler: I always suspected that.
Carolina Keats: the second part
Carolina Keats: it is the choice of the individual whether & how much to disclose
Zotarah Shepherd: I will always be grateful to Carolina for being the first to sponsor my self-esteem classes. I will miss you being in SL and hope you visit us.
Arielion Clawtooth: Did anyone mention what was said on the SLED list today about the deck solution for confidentiality?
Carolina Keats: during previous research and here, I take the individual at their word, and absolutely seriously
Panacea Luminos: that was an awesome solution
Gwenette Writer: which is?? or link please
Mirt Tenk recommends that for privacy, people use individual text chat w/private call for voice
Carolina Keats: my meetings with individuals are - can be - quite intimate. as in face-to-face teaching, we establish trust
Marc Rexen: Yes, the Deck solution seemed inspired.
Carolina Keats: yes, go ahead aj
AJ Brooks: Are there liability issues or releases when giving counseling, even if for information that might lead to this type of encounter/ ie mental health issues
Carolina Keats: each encounter is an opportunity for education
Carolina Keats: I do not counsel - or rather, I do not diagnose, nor second-guess
Dewey Jung: (all encounters are an opportunity for education for Carol :-))
John2 Kepler: Amen, Dewey
Carolina Keats: with most, perhaps all encounters, there's an opportunity to say: I am using evidence-based info; here is why it's reliable
Carolina Keats: and to say, here is how you too can tell what's valid 'out there'
AJ Brooks: Does Carolina have access to other health professionals if she feels she needs their advice?
Carolina Keats: liability - no, not if I say what I just typed, clearly and as often as needed
Carolina Keats: yes, when needed, though that's been rare
Carolina Keats: people's health info needs are sort of stratified, right
Carolina Keats: you might need basic info: what's the disease? what are diagnostic procedures
George Linden: I wanted to make sure to share this with you--we do tend to get IMs from time to time from concerned residents about real life concerns.. this KB isn't extensive, but it does give a few pointers on how to help someone find help: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4603
George Linden: Hi. :)
Carolina Keats: later, you may have the need to develop expertise, as is often the case with people with cancer, or with diabetes, etc
Carolina Keats: so I begin at the beginning, using the encounter to build trust, establish health info literacy levels - it's an ongoing relationship
Carolina Keats: with the person always, invited back
Carolina Keats: yes
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: it's not the letter of the law, it's the spirit of the law
Carolina Keats: however, listening validates, and I do that
Marc Rexen: Interesting threads on the legal ramifications of SL and the logging...basically, not allowed for "real legal sessions." My guess is the same will flow from HIPPA concerns for Health. Education...still can be logged (and seems legal).
Zotarah Shepherd: Great info displays at HealthInfo. It is the first place I send people who have health questions.
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I meant the spirit of the definition
AJ Brooks: I would like to know how she makes decisions on what material should be aimed more at health professional and what for consumers. For example info about a specific disease.
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: you used terms health providers, could you define terms for us?
Carolina Keats: health providers: any health/allied health practitioners
Carolina Keats: consumers: anyone with a need for health information, anyone at all, including health providers
Mirt Tenk: pretty much everybody
Carolina Keats: yes, we are all bodies, with ailments and issues :)
Carolina Keats: yes, for several years
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I want to skip topics, and wants to ask about Carolina's teaching in SL
Carolina Keats: I had begun to provide classes really focused on a specific health concern (children's health, for example) with added critical evaluation info
Carolina Keats: I did also create and teach a course on using pubmed, for laypersons
Carolina Keats: as well, focused workshops (caregivers, for example)
John2 Kepler: How well did you feel that your students could use PubMed by the time you were done?
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: the other day you said you don't believe in the "build it and they will come" approach. Could you discuss?
Carolina Keats: well, I don't own the truth. we are here together, to engage in learning
Carolina Keats: I would never stand on a box claiming to know what's best for you
Carolina Keats: I also feel the need to be reactive to need, rather than to anticipate or plan upon what I think people SHOULD know
Carolina Keats: I mean, we can all go google a term
Mirt Tenk thinks this is a great approach
Carolina Keats: our real needs are often way more complex and situational
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: that's my point here, and this has a tangent to health & health info
John2 Kepler: Often the purpose of a conversation is to allow someone to vocalize things that they haven't realized are problems.
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: when someone comes in to something like SL, there's an extent of "I don't know what I don't know" about this
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: we've seen a lot of this in the media frenzy RE H1N1 in social networks
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: problem is people not knowing what they don't know
Carolina Keats: if I had that answer, I would not have to pack my own house up
Carolina Keats: I'd have millions
Panacea Luminos: lol
Mirt Tenk: lol
Carolina Keats: because we have this question, don't we
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: OK, I accept that. valid point
Carolina Keats: there is the teachable moment concept
AJ Brooks: and he laughed heartily at himself
Carolina Keats: there is placing info and hoping serendipity will take care of it
Carolina Keats: there is resource creation
Carolina Keats: and beyond that, - we cannot run out, buttonhole the ignorant and shake them, say hey! - what WERE you thinking?
Carolina Keats: the individual with a need to know about health, will seek it
Mirt Tenk thinks that's not too effective at accomplishing change
Carolina Keats: they may claim satisfaction from what they find, and that's an entire other conversation, eh
Carolina Keats: it is not effective, correct
Kali Pizzaro: exactly, however we need t help them find the correct information
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I'm going to shift again, and ask what is the most uncomfortable thing you've had to deal with?
Dewey Jung: great Q :-)
(photo courtesy of Craig A. Cunningham)
Mirt Tenk: in SL
Carolina Keats: losing my clothes & turning into a 'ruth' moments before an important tour :)
Mirt Tenk's husband just said "people who don't know how to sit down"
Carolina Keats: however, it was also my dealings with a quack
Ignatius Onomatopoeia busts out laughing--imagine that happening to a man! (no one I know)
Carolina Keats: I was approached by a guy who's all about inoculations being harmful
Carolina Keats: I asked him to provide some (BRIEF) documentation
Carolina Keats: got a 50-page pdf of the most unbelievable - well you know !
Carolina Keats: and I had to then face him down
Carolina Keats: however, it didn't end there
Carolina Keats: turned out that our encounter was being observed
Carolina Keats: by a physician
Carolina Keats: who was putting me to the test
Kali Pizzaro: cheeky
Profesora Farigoule: zow
Carolina Keats: he was ethical enough to contact me later and say what he'd done
Carolina Keats: but really - I am here as a professional
Mirt Tenk: did you say thanks for wasting my time?
Carolina Keats: there is no time I'm not 'on', not aware that my words can be repeated, archived, reported
Carolina Keats: no, it was a good opportunity for me, actually
Carolina Keats: 'course, the quack got banned avec plaisir :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)
Teri Boxen: lol
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: looking @ your overall time in SL, what do you look back on and regret the way things turned out? things you were involved in?
Carolina Keats: thank you
Dewey Jung: hear hear!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I don't mean failure but something you wish had just worked out differently?
Carolina Keats: hmm (the man is digging!)
Carolina Keats: no - there are attributes that are not my strong points
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our Phil Donahue
Carolina Keats: I would've wished to be stronger at: organization, especially of volunteers
Mirt Tenk: herding cats
Carolina Keats: I would've liked to participate (or perhaps my clone could do so) in 'real' research
Carolina Keats: you know, what works
Dewey Jung: herding librarians!
Carolina Keats: but the volunteers - that was the biggest challenge, and an area I know I did not handle well
Carolina Keats: one assumes equal passion and shared understanding
Mirt Tenk used to be a hospital volunteer coordinator in RL -- herding cats
Carolina Keats: yes, absolutely
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I'm sure that's something you've spent time thinking about. What's the one thing you're most proud of?
Carolina Keats: argh
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: what's your shining moment?
Carolina Keats: there was an encounter early on (they're all about encounters, my best moments)
Carolina Keats: but there was an encounter
Lorelei Junot: I have to say I think Carolina's whole tenure here has been wonderful and an excellent example of what medical librarians can do in second life - we are going to miss her terribly
Carolina Keats: a father, with a chronically and severely ill child
John2 Kepler: I will second what Lori just said.
Carolina Keats: we met when I was shopping for a couch (because people fell through it - not something I'd dreamt of doing)
Carolina Keats: fell into conversation
Carolina Keats: it evolved to an opportunity, I provided info via email
Carolina Keats: he's the one who googled me
Carolina Keats: several weeks later
Carolina Keats: he brought his wife in to sl to meet me, and thank me
Carolina Keats: that was my first awareness of what we might be, here
Lorelei Junot: Carolina headed the ALS involvement in the development of Healthinfo Island, Virtual Ability and now Karuna - they say no one is rreplaceable, but she certainly is :)_
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: that's excellent
Carolina Keats: and thank you for those comments (check's in the mail :)
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I have another question of my own
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I want to give a few folks here an opportunity to tell us some of the things they want to share about you
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: moving forward, tangents between health edu & VWs, what do you anticipate?
Panacea Luminos: great question
Carolina Keats: thinking - which of so many thoughts should I voice here?
Viv Trafalgar: all, please :)
Carolina Keats: it is above all a place for us to meet with fewer boundaries
Carolina Keats: the excitement of new discovery, new encounters, engages us in discourse about our experience
Carolina Keats: it is in this time that change can be imagined
John2 Kepler: The whole field of online health education is going into a period of dramatic change, and VWs will just be a part of the much bigger picture.
Carolina Keats: for a moment, we think about what could happen without our present structures
Carolina Keats: what I think should be done is research, focused upon understanding such things, so we can build on it
Carolina Keats: john2 knows this so well
Carolina Keats: we need to explore and share what we've thought
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: John will talk about this in a month as our guest here
Carolina Keats: we can attempt to replicate, but we can easily err by importing social structures, etc
Carolina Keats: and bypass the true value of this opportunity
Carolina Keats: I know that's general, but it's meant to be
John2 Kepler: But still a very important point.
Carolina Keats: healthcare prof - observe, encounter, learn - both ways.
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: ty for being so flexible w/text
Carolina Keats: thank you - and we are working on that
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: who will take over for you?
Carolina Keats: we have some good contenders :)
Carolina Keats: I'm excited to think (shoot, maybe they'll be better organized!)
AJ Brooks: How many staff at NLM are working in SL, can you give any demographics on visits, encounters and finally future plans the NLM has for SL
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: are there any special projects you wanted to work on that didn't get approved?
Carolina Keats: I really cannot speak to the nlm staff question - you know, nih is a behemoth
John2 Kepler: Do you think that the people in Texas will be supportive of you working in SL?
Carolina Keats: so there are people from various depts, like special info services
Carolina Keats: and just now, for example, there's a display that in rl is a traveling display, from the nlm history of med dept
Carolina Keats: also, folks from aids.gov are collaborators - - there are a lot of nih-related projects here
Carolina Keats: special projects - yes, absolutely
Carolina Keats: I would truly love to do 'real' research inworld, but there is not enough time (where have I heard that one before?)
Carolina Keats: but projects - the list's longer than my arm, even extended via sl means
Carolina Keats: womens' health, for example
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ said that one of the other questions was did any of your projects target populations from other socioeconomic groups that might not be in SL as readily?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mirt is away for a few secs
Carolina Keats: no, though several target populations contain a high % of people who would fall into lower economic brackets
Carolina Keats: such as those with disabilities, living on assistance
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ said right, he imagined that they would
Carolina Keats: or those with aids, who lose jobs due to repeated illness
Mirt Tenk is back
Mirt Tenk: AJ said I can only imagine the difficult challenges you deal w/in so many different ways
Carolina Keats: I had worked several times on grant apps which would have incorporated a rl/sl bridge
Carolina Keats: an example here is the karuna (hiv/aids) project - working with a social worker in the bronx, as well as the cfar (center for aids research) here at unc, and as I'd said, aids.gov
Maggie Marat: /tab I'm going to NECC! Are you?
Carolina Keats: each has connections to rl groups, and/or to web forums
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A great session!
Carolina Keats: good timing though - looks like we're getting a thunderstorm!
Margaret Michalski: Thanks!
Kali Pizzaro: indeed interesting
Aquiel Aero: Thanks so much Carolina
Teachergirl Razor: thanks so much, Carolina
Carolina Keats: thank you all for this opportunity
Elizabeth Canonmill: thank you
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I'm afraid we're out of time. I apologize to those I promised to give the floor. I appreciate your time, and I do want to give a couple of your friends the opportunity to speak up & thank you for all you've done
Dewey Jung: Thank you Carol, for being such a wonderful new friend to this noobie such a long time ago! :-)
Lorelei Junot: thank you for all you have done - maybe you will realize you are addicted - you will return to sl and work with us!
Panacea Luminos: This is a great forum and today was especially illuminating
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: we originally met when I was a different av, and you were so helpful, and you directed me to people who could help
Adra Letov: Thank you Carol, you have done awesome work in SL
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: you helped coordinate an event that was very special to me, which gave me an opportunity to meet others who had lost a loved one since I had lost a cousin to AIDS
Carolina Keats: I'm glad, aj. it's why we're here - to help each other through.
Robin Mochi: thanks so much, Carolina. You are an inspiration to many, definitely to me
sammy Chieng: thanks AJ and carolina
John2 Kepler: You were one of the first people I met in SL, and I knew that with people like you, SL would be a very special place.
Dewey Jung: she'll be back
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I want to thank you for your time, your dedication, everything you've done for SL
Teachergirl Razor: thanks AJ
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I hope you'll be able to return to us & continue your work, possibly on a different angle
Lorelei Junot: thanks for a great session
John2 Kepler: Thank you for a great chat, AJ
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ for the great work!
Carolina Keats: you never know :)
Dewey Jung: thanks AJ!
Carolina Keats: and thank you all - again
Lorelei Junot: AJ, you are a wonderful program host :)
Jerod Bagley: Thank you Carolina and AJ. Best wishes Carolina.
Carolina Keats: be well
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I'll be around for a few minutes for those who have any questions & best of luck to Carol
Kali Pizzaro: great thanks good luck Carolina
Oronoque Westland: yes, wonderful work...I have learned so much from you...thanks and all the best
Dusty Artaud: Terrific work Carolina, very inspiring!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: goodnight all! Thanks again!
Mirt Tenk: Blessings on your new endeavors Carolina!
IzzyLander Karu: Thank you AJ & Carolina
Dewey Jung: wow, she's gone already
Dewey Jung: there's one overloaded person :-)
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you so much Carolina for helping me get started in SL education. You have created an amazing center of information and support that is sure to grow from your organized foundation. I will miss you.
Elizabeth Canonmill: ty both!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: Carolina had said earlier she had to leave promptly but please feel free to type into text chat any memories or appreciations of Carolina's work in SL
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes send this to her. Thanks AJ
Dewey Jung: carol is too good at what she does...if she were less a perfectionist, the rest of the world would give her some peace :-)
Margaret Michalski: I am still here
Mirt Tenk: AJ said: I'll make sure Carolina gets whatever you say in text until I leave
Margaret Michalski: I am still keeping track
Mirt Tenk is going to have to go now
Margaret Michalski: I will send him the file
Dewey Jung: bye all!
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Dewey
Dewey Jung: aj....you can log all your chats
Mirt Tenk: Goodbye!
Oronoque Westland: night all
Zotarah Shepherd: Someone is waiting for me, so I have to get going too.
Gwenette Writer: aloha to you all:)
Margaret Michalski: Thanks everyone!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Mirt
sammy Chieng: jerry everythings good
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Margaret
JeanClaude Vollmar: Goodbye everyone. Have a great evening.
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye Jean
Margaret Michalski: I will stick around for a few more minutes
Margaret Michalski: if you need to go that is fine
Zotarah Shepherd: Another great SLER AJ. Thank you.
Profesora Farigoule: yes
Topher Zwiers: Thanks AJ.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah thanks AJ
Margaret Michalski: Ok! I am of but thank you everyone for coming.
