Transcript of April 7, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: The Ramapo Island and Teen Grid. Special guest Maggie Marat
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). Voice-to-text transcription by Mirt Tenk
Iggy's Notes: Send corrections to iggyo -at- mac -dot- com
Links Mentioned:
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said we're waiting on Peg, will start w/announcements
Kimbeau Surveryor: If I danced ad badly in rl as I most scripts in sl, I'd be ashamed. :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
AJ Brooks: can hear you
Mirt Tenk: Iggy said if anyone was at the Educause constituent meeting March 23 they need pics
Mirt Tenk thinks I might have them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
Mirt Tenk: will check
Olivia Hotshot: excellent links on the transcript as well, Iggy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Olivia!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: e-mail me at iggyo@mac.com or send in-world
Robin Mochi: Okay, I think I have some...send them to you Iggy, ok
Chimera Cosmos: Can you paste the link to the transcript into chat here?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks Robin!
Mirt Tenk thinks these helpful people must be in education or something
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Today is our Special First of the Month meeting. Out special guest today is the incomparable Peggy Sheehy (SL: Maggie Marat) and we'll be talking about The Ramapo Island and Teen Grid.
Azwaldo Villota: Maggie's in da house!
AJ Brooks: We use VOICE CHAT for these special meetings. If you are having problems, we will try to provide transcription in text chat but you should check the signs behind me or check with Margaret Michalski up front here (IM HER) for assistance. Our transcriber today is Mirt Tenk, who does an astounding job -you will see the summarizing in text chat.
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said hi to Maggie
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Maggie!
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YAY Mirt!
AJ Brooks: Special Thanks to Iggy Onomatopoeia for making this happen, and to Margaret Michalski for filling is an Scribe when Iggy is AFK.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia bows low--my pleasure...and thanks Margaret too
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Join us on FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: Later on this year we will be having a roundtable that will focus on students. Margaret Michalski is coordinating that effort and she has asked that if you have anything you would like to ask the students, to please drop her a notecard or IM with your thoughts.
Olivia Hotshot: aww thanks AJ - and sure you can ask me
AJ Brooks: Clemson hosts Global Kids’ Teen produced game CONSENT! this week, Wed, April 8, 11a-1p PM SLT in the Clemson Teaching Learning island in Second Life. The Second Life URL for this location is Clemson Teaching Learning, (173, 212, 26). Global Kids will be holding tours of the game, discussing the Teaching in Second Life project, and holding Q&A segments throughout. For more info, IM Rhiannon Chatnoir. More info about the build is also available at http://www.holymeatballs.org/2009/04/consent_sllaunch.html
Maggie Marat: oops one sec brb keep talkin J
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: I'll start off today by introducing myself. I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Maggie Marat: back
Maggie Marat: and a few from Ramapo
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said Please IM questions to him, not local chat
Maggie Marat: uh oh
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said he met Peggy @ SLCC in Chicago, was impressed by her energy
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said he doesn't think her feet touch the ground
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said she's the new energizer bunny
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said because Ramamapo is close to his university, he took a group over to visit her school
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said the people who work & go to school w/Peggy clearly appreciate her
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said Peggy generates energy & excitement among her students
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said he was overwhelmingly impressed with her exceptional example of how Virtual environments can be used for teaching & learning
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said he'd like Peggy to tell us about herself
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she's happy to be here & AJ's description doesn't fit all her days
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she works for a great school district
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said teaching is her second career, has taught at other schools
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said said she has taught at other schools, including Greenville SC
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she's had wonderful leadership, is giving credit to specific people
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her leaders allow teachers to take chances
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said visionary leadership is a lot of the story behind why her school established the first middle school on the TG
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said there's a pervasive attitude of willingness to take risks on part of the teachers
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she serves as the media specialist
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her first year at was more routine
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said they offered to hire help for her, let her write the job desc
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she hired Schuber Sing (sp?) in SL
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said one side is her employee, who does books, and she covers more technology
KJ Hax: Yay Peggy!
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said hi to KJ, Claudia, and a lot of people she doesn't know, and she's excited & pleased to be here
Maggie Marat: wOOt
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said you have at least two avs, are almost 4 years old in SL
Mirt Tenk: AJ Brooks said it was a year later that you started your TG av. How did you first get involved in SL?
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said as soon as she entered her first classroom, she started her graduate work in Instructional Technology
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she taught her 3rd graders what she learned as she learned it
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said they were learning Netscape Composer, didn't realize any limitations since she was a new teacher
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she always evaluated technology from the curriculum point
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she has a daughter who was a gamer & comp scientist, very much into technology, who discovered SL
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her daughter had shown her many tech tools but she approached SL differently in presenting it to Maggie
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she questioned her daughter & put it off for a year, because she didn't have time for it
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her daughter got a job w/Linden Lab as the TG liason
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her daughter kept at her, tried to get her in the TG, gave her mom the guilt trip
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she finally created an account, acted like a real newbie, walking into walls, etc
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her daughter was in upstate NY, got her mom to login from home, and she started introducing Maggie to people in SL
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she recognized immediately the potential for kids
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said her daughter wouldn't disclose much about the TG, open only 3-9 PM at that time
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said the time wouldn't work for her students, so for a year, she explored SL and developed her own professional learning network and scoured the Internet to find info & dev a proposal for her kids
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said she felt it was too good an opportunity to miss, could see the potential to reach kids via SL
Chimera Cosmos: ow!
Mirt Tenk: Maggie Marat said when she presented the proposal, her superintendent asked many appropriate questions, but she had enough Linden support & had attended enough conferences that she had answers
KJ Hax: http://ramapoislands.blogspot.com
KJ Hax: ...is her blog!
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked about her bringing the first middle school on the Teen Grid (TG)
KJ Hax: ooops wait
KJ Hax: wrong one
MLani Montgomery: I'm K-12...
KJ Hax: http://ramapoislands.edublogs.org
KJ Hax: is the new one! Sorry Peg!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said some folks here might not be familiar w/the TG
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked her to explain the TG & tell about exp as first middle school on the TG
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the TG is for teens ages 13-17, who have had age verification
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said adult presence is verified via credit card or other methods
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said adults on the TG have to follow many protocols
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said all adults on the TG must go through a background check
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the bg check is sent & put on file, you must have a destination on the TG in mind where you want to be based on the TG if you use it
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said Adults who come on the TG are clearly IDed in their titles as adults
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked Maggie to talk about how students are forced to move from the TG to the main grid (here) when they turn 18
Mirt Tenk: AJ mentioned recent discussion RE adult island, encourages all to attend the roundtable on April 28 RE an adult sim in speculation that Linden Lab is getting ready to merge the grids
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked her to address those two things
Mirt Tenk: AJ said please IM him with any questions you have and he'll make sure as many as possible get addressed
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said RE when kids turn 18 & move to the main grid
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said backing up a bit, we were the first school in the TG
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the only other institution on the TG at the time was Global Kids
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said her superintendent asked to talk to another principal who was doing this and she explained there were none
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said this was only new to TG but many universities were on the main grid, but Global Kids (GK) supported her
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said none of her students have turned 18 & moved to the main grid
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said per what she's heard & read from blogs, etc, some groups have a presence on both grids
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said some have only a few students turning 18 & they pay for their background check so they can stay on the TG
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said there's a group Teen Grid Survivors who meet & support each other
KJ Hax: http://www.rezed.org
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the Teen Grid has its own restrictions, there are many pieces of information on the Internet
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said RE merging the grids,
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she's been following the blog est by Claudia, Pathfinder & George, happy to meet w/them & share concerns & needs w/them last week
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said Linden Lab seems invested in protecting those w/a large investment in the TG
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said we're all watching to see what happens
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she had a couple meetings w/her students to get their input in order to accurately represent them
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she sat down w/a couple dozen kids who came to school early (felt strongly enough about it to come early)
Jackie Rexen: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/education/blog/2009/02/18/welcome-to-the-eduscape-blog
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she told them the TG might be merged or eliminated, asked them how they feel about these hypothetical possibilities
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she asked students to share how they think other teens would feel about it
Chimera Cosmos: hehe
Mirt Tenk is distracted
Esme Qunhua is Online
KJ Hax: EXACTLY
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids said they would not go to SL to see X-rated content
Gwenette Writer: exactly they can FUNCTION here
Jackie Rexen: Kids love the commerce!
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the kids were interested in the commerce, additional resources in main grid
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said her students said they did NOT want to get rid of the TG
Gwenette Writer: they want a SAFE place of their own also yes?
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said one of her students had drawn out what the change should look like
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said this student said there should be a place just for adults to go, and a place just for teens, so we have a place of our own, with all sharing access to a central area w/commerce & resources, etc
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said her students said it's important to them to have a place where there are no adults
MLani Montgomery: Smart kids
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said students also thought adults would rather have an area w/out kids as well
Mirt Tenk: AJ said he was writing a question to ask about an adult-only area before Maggie said her students suggested it
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids said adults wouldn't let them do this design they presented
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she thought this WOULD be hard to manage, distinct areas w/crossover
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said greater minds are wrestling w/this right now
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked about the blog Maggie referenced
Mirt Tenk: AJ said IM questions to him
ALALibraryVal Miles: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: whew..thought it was my iTunes
Weave Oldrich: Yay WoW! :)
Kimbeau Surveryor: A youngster I was chatting to put it this way: I live with my parents in rl, but in sl, I live alone...
KJ Hax: Still looking....
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the blog is a good information resource
Mirt Tenk: AJ said this is an 80/20 rule: the 20% who want to complain are the most vocal
Gwenette Writer: no Linden = no here . . . ahahah gotta LOVE the Lindens:)
KJ Hax: 1 sec
KJ Hax: http://www.sl-educationblog.org/
Mirt Tenk: AJ said what goes on the TG as far as courses are concerned?
Mirt Tenk: AJ said he heard about Of Mice & Men project, NASA project, CSI project, plus the body project
Mirt Tenk: AJ also asked Maggie to talk about Atlantis Rising & Atlantis Seekers on the main grid
Mirt Tenk: AJ said RE TG, you referenced 21st century skills that students have. Are these kids wired differently or do they use their brains differently than we do/
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said that answer takes 3 hours
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said let's start w/curriculum.
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said knew which teachers to approach b/c teachers had seen her in SL and had reacted
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the first year they were not doing anything that couldn't be done in the real world
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids were making museums, uploading pictures, math teacher brought kids in to build a geogallery
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids were learning social networking tools, to reinforce concepts in their
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said 1st year was mostly recreating real world, taking advantage of avatar identity
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids were engaged, teachers were reporting that all their students were participating, staying on task, kids were far more engaged & enjoying what they were doing
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the sense of pleasure is connected to retaining information better & longer
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they asked the kids what they'd like to see done differently
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said RE a unit on immigration, they recreated Ellis Island
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids said (one who was non-participatory in regular classrooms) we should have gone to the Ellis Island website & looked up a primary sourcce doc w/an immigrant experience & gone into SL & role-played it
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kid said some could be immigrants, some could be officers, then switch places to develop empathy by participating in the experience
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said a light bulb went off, asked the kid where he got the idea, & he said he got it from WOW
Mirt Tenk: AJ said he's been invited into WOW also
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ the Orc-Slayer
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the body image unit was the turning point for them
AJ Brooks: i'm more of an elf magician
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they have a health & well ness unit taught by Fam & Consumer Sci
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they investigate body & self-esteem
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they showed them how a woman is transformed into a perfect-looking beauty w/editing
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they showed the video, then told them to make their avatars look like them in RL as much as possible
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they then went into conversation pods & chatted where the chat was emailed to the teacher
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said on the second day they referenced the video about changing photos
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said told students to make their avatars beautiful according to media standards
Jenaia Morane: great exercise
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids changed & made themselves look gorgeous, strong, etc
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said teachers said these conversations don't occur in real life
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the third day they hit pay dirt
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said that day they had to do the same thing in terms of making themselves beautiful according to media standards, but they had to switch gender
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the kids got angry & said I'm 14, I have acne & braces, I'm OK as I am
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said it was profound because the conversations led into discussions about the unrealistic standards in the media,
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the final day of class they told the students to go back to whatever avatar they felt best in, most returned to their self-portrait
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said some kids made changes to self-portrait but made small changes in areas they were uncomfortable with in RL
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the kids got into far deeper & more profound conversation
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said kids love SL because they can be who they want to be in SL and dont' ahve to worry about fashion, peer pressure, etc
KJ Hax: Body Image Unit blog post Peggy is referring to:
KJ Hax: http://ramapoislands.edublogs.org/2007/09/
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said some students prefer to remain anonymous
KJ Hax: More: http://ramapoislands.edublogs.org/2007/06/07/the-body-image-class-discussion-samples/
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said even in lit discussions, Socratic circle, the kids don't hesitate to speak up & take more risks than they do in RL class
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked how many engage b/c it's experimental & how many are really engaged
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they watched for this Hawthorne effect
KJ Hax: ...and more!
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said when a teacher brings her class in, the level of engagement & dynamic of the class changes
AJ Brooks: That last question, actually, came from an audience member. :-)
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said teacher is no longer the sage on the state
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said teachers report that the dynamic of the class always changes
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the RL strong personalities are not so much in control, wallflowers get more involved, RL dynamic dissipates
Jackie Rexen: This is a great question I actually asked my upper elementary students today why they don't like Quest Atlantis any longer (they loved it at first and have a choice
about what tools they use during computer time). They told me they are cooler web tools available to them. Have to watch the Hawthorne effect.
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked what are the most compelling reasons to bring students into the SL environment outside of Teaching & Learning
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said if you look at research on av use by Internet users, it's growing daily
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said it's a likelihood they'll need to understand an av environment in jobs, in social situations
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said opportunities are only going to expand, many industries will have their own VW platform, another tool to provide kids with
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked about Atlantis Rising & Atlantis Seekers
Mirt Tenk: AJ said Kzero charts users in VWs
Profdan Netizen: URL?
Mirt Tenk: AJ said the graph moves clockwise, getting into higher ed
Jackie Rexen: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/?page_id=2092
Profdan Netizen: thaks
Mirt Tenk: AJ asked from your perspective watching these students using & growing in using VWs, what does that mean for us in higher ed as this progresses?
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said it's a case of greater opportunities
Margaret Michalski: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/
Jackie Rexen: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/universe-v6-master.jpg
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said some colleges are conducting application interviews in SL, IBM is interviewing in SL
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said some version of VWs will become a mainstay in social networking & communication
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said as we lay the groundwork, and higher ed uses it, this is a tool to make the world flatter & more accessible to more people
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said it's not an exclusive portal for edu, just another means of communication, working together, collaborating w/out time & space constraints
Profdan Netizen: and budget constraints very much in force
Margaret Michalski: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/?page_id=2092
Mirt Tenk: AJ said he thinks she answered what he asked & more RE the future projections
Mirt Tenk: AJ wants Maggie to tell about Atlantis Rising
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she was introduced to someone ?
KJ Hax: Bernajean Porter (RL)
Jackie Rexen: http://www.digitales.us/
KJ Hax: Bernajeana Pinazzo (SL)
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she wanted to see how digital storytelling would translate into the virtual platform
AJ Brooks: anyone who wants that graph can click the object and get a copy of it
Maggie Marat: http://atlantisrisingcampus.us/faculty/bernajean-porter/
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the genre her students created were things like iMovies, machinima, used storyworld which is a 3D immersive experience
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said this is on their campus atlantisrising
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said the story was parallel to Robert Frost poem "The Road Less Travelled"
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they wrote a story about two friends, one discovered a friend was anorexic
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said she got to work w/an expert in digital storytelling, Bernajeana Pinazzo
Montclair State CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative - Faire:
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they took what they had which was unique to offer, Maggie's exp on the TG, and her digital storytelling exp, & are offering these classes at Atlantis
Esme Qunhua: Which I LOVE Maggie.
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said most of Atlantis is underwater
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said if teachers are going to invest their time, we need to be accredited, were able to get accredited via Pepperdine University
Jackie Rexen: The monday nite sessions are way fin
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said courses start this summer, have sessions every Monday night w/info RE the courses they'll be offering
Jackie Rexen: fun
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said they'll talk about how to get students to bring out voice in writing
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said will provide creative writing courses, facilitate courses RE TG, machinima
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said we're open to ideas if you have something that you think is needed as a rigorous course please contact us
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said Monday nights are fun social events
Mirt Tenk: Maggie said it's a lovely place
MLani Montgomery: Thank you
jokay Wollongong: hoooooooray Maggie... fabulous as usual ;)
Kimbeau Surveryor: I feel so inspired! :-)
Robin Mochi: thanks very much, was awesome!
KJ Hax: Peggy FTW!!!!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said our time is up, THANK YOU to Peggy/Maggie
Margaret Michalski: Thank you
Esme Qunhua: Whoohooo
Zotarah Shepherd: Wonderful!
Gwenette Writer: Maay mahalos was great:) Look forward to visiting Atlantis:)
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ!
Jacon Cortes: great talk....:))
JeanClaude Vollmar: Thanks, Yes!
KJ Hax: Thanks AJ!
Azwaldo Villota: Thanks AJ and MM
Olivia Hotshot claps - wonderful presentation!!!
Marty Snowpaw: great presentation
Maggie Marat: please feel free to email me peggysheehy@mac.com
Jackie Rexen: APPLAUSE!!!!
Mirt Tenk: AJ said next Tues Mirt Tenk will be special guest, discussing bringing faculty & students into SL
KarenKate Sands: thanks for sharing Peggy!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: excellent presentation!!!!
Olivia Hotshot: Mirt - great job!!!
Jenaia Morane: Woo Hoooo!
hobbs Constantine: yay - thank you!
Jenaia Morane: Thank you Maggie
Marty Snowpaw: woot
Mirt Tenk has another obligation & must go now
KJ Hax: Gotta run - peace out y'all!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you AJ and Maggie
Margaret Michalski: NP!
Gwenette Writer: >>> aaaaaplllaauuusssseee clapclapclapclapclap <<<<
Gwenette Writer: >>> aaaaaplllaauuusssseee clapclapclapclapclap <<<<
Len0re Lionheart: Thank you!
Jackie Rexen: APPLAUSE!!!!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks AJ!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Mirt
Jenaia Morane: Grins
MLani Montgomery: Thank you again
Sophy Cascarino: thanks!
KarenKate Sands: thanks AJ- another GREAT meeting!
Birdie Newcomb is Offline
Spiff Whitfield: Thanks Maggie, Thanks Mirt
Margaret Michalski: Tuesday SLER keep me going
Kimbeau Surveryor: Following the text chat is truly a twenty-first century skill. ;-)
Jenaia Morane: laughs
Azwaldo Villota: Are you familiar with any research that describes the tech skills that young learners are developing with VW experience, those that will increase their potential as employees?
Jenaia Morane: hahahahaha
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL--AJ as Merv
Jenaia Morane: Me too!
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe I do
Marty Snowpaw: I do
Jenaia Morane: hahahaha
Marty Snowpaw: more Donahue
Jenaia Morane: Oh no!
Jenaia Morane: Yeah Donahue is great
Chimera Cosmos: Jerry Springer???
Marty Snowpaw: fabulous
Jenaia Morane: too funny
Marty Snowpaw: u should have him on
Profdan Netizen: Or, how about Kramer when he picked up the Merv Griffith set and set it up in his apt!
Marty Snowpaw: exactly
Marty Snowpaw: Phil invented the format
Marty Snowpaw: very popular class in lots of private schools
Marty Snowpaw: started with the popularity of the tv series
Azwaldo Villota: Maggie: Are you familiar with any research that describes the tech skills that young learners are developing with VW experience, those that will enhance their potential as employees?
Marty Snowpaw: Bravo
Jenaia Morane: woo Hoooo!
Jenaia Morane: great Maggie
Jacon Cortes: Maggie....it was a wonderful session.....I would like to invite you some day...to visit my sim....I have a historical themed sim based on Texas
Maggie Marat: Jacon I would love to visit!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll keep transcribing this
Profdan Netizen: Doesn't different use lead to different wiring?
Marty Snowpaw: thanks Iggy
Profesora Farigoule: my alt got a job in SL.... that really improved my VR multitasking skills :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: neuroscience points in that direction--early exposure changes neural pathways
Chimera Cosmos: my son is the same--texting with thumb at lightening speed
Kimbeau Surveryor: It started with news channels with running banners displaying different stories...
Marty Snowpaw: It has already
Maggie Marat: Azwaldo - let's continue this conversation
Azwaldo Villota: are we talking about the characteristics of digital natives?
Azwaldo Villota: Thank you, AJ.
AJ Brooks: Digital Natives? EWWWWW no - I do NOT buy into that paradigm
Chimera Cosmos: well, schooling certainly reinforces the "memory" aspects (at its worst)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: fascinating--Maggie notes that a recent study she read notes that our brains are structured for memory, not learning
Marty Snowpaw: neither do I
Marty Snowpaw: your talking about mechanical experience
Azwaldo Villota: Thank you, again!
Jenaia Morane: Thank you!
Zotarah Shepherd: They have different intelligences
Marty Snowpaw: repetition...
Chimera Cosmos: doing more than memorizing is NOT EASY to experiment for!
Chimera Cosmos: so it's not surprising they haven't found it LOL
Gwenette Writer: or that they all even LIKE it
Profdan Netizen: OR that they're all interested.
Zotarah Shepherd: I type so much better having to keep up with chat. hehe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I like Sarah's term...Revolutionaries and Beneficiaries...instead of Natives
AJ Brooks: yes - I think Sarah pegged it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there are curmudgeons too...she forgot them :P
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 80/20 idea of a perfect school....
Marty Snowpaw: Big time!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Maggie notes that each year we stifle creativity, taking learning away in the process
Marty Snowpaw: under Nixon with the back to basics movement
Profdan Netizen: test prep, test prep, test prep--let's run for the hills!!!!!
Marty Snowpaw: that today in NCLB
Kimbeau Surveryor: Natives has an unreasonable implication of "another land". That's nonsense. But models which are alien to older people are normal for youngsters. When I was young, we hardly had any electrical appliances! Times change...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: She'd like to see a school day w/ certain % introducing foundational skills
Jenaia Morane: nice
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and rest so students "can discover a passion" and explore it
Zotarah Shepherd: Great idea
Marty Snowpaw: That was the underlying motivation for the Media Literacy movement
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: over time, more of the day devoted to that passion
Chimera Cosmos: We tend to get attached to "Models" more than we should--wanting them to be more explanatory across the board than they can be
Marty Snowpaw: good point aj
Chimera Cosmos: Any Model is subject to exceptions, modification over time, rejection of parts, etc.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ mentions that computers appear to multitask...but in reality are doing things faster and faster
Kimbeau Surveryor: An older teaching support expert I met once could remember the time when education has "pencil advisors". Learning the tools is a phase which dies when kids "get it" automatically.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: are "kids today" doing the same...?
Marty Snowpaw: exactly
Marty Snowpaw: has nothing to doing with Digital Native
Gwenette Writer: I think it is actually a different process that is more similar to parrallel processing
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: OMG--WOOO HOOOOO [AJ has just said he was admitted to a PhD program-]
Zotarah Shepherd: Wow AJ
Marty Snowpaw: bravo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you the man
Jenaia Morane: wonderful
Zotarah Shepherd: Bravo!
Jenaia Morane: congrats
Sophy Cascarino: woot woot
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: PhD...piled higher, deeper :D
Chimera Cosmos: cool AJ!
Marty Snowpaw: Is Neal Postman still there???
Gwenette Writer: be NICE!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true for me
Chimera Cosmos: will you still be working fulltime AJ/
Chimera Cosmos: ?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.phdcomics.com/
Gwenette Writer: exactly
Zotarah Shepherd: I am working on a build to help students understand multiple intelligences on Ramapo, like the one I have on Koru
Chimera Cosmos: "Learning Styles" "Intelligences" "Digital Natives" -- all models to try to predict, and none is the final answer/absolute truth
AJ Brooks: yes - I will still be working. :-?
Marty Snowpaw: developing a passion to love to learn is not a literacy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Excellent point by Maggie--where she stands on books
Marty Snowpaw: Media Literacy is about all media
Profdan Netizen: Or a Kindle.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: she notes it's a different experience altogether
Marty Snowpaw: and no medium cannibalizes another
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes on a screen
Marty Snowpaw: they just change them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For a new literacy, she notes we have to learn how to teach and assess it
Gwenette Writer: reading requires or rather develops visualization IF it is unaccompanied by illustration especially. THAT visualization skill needs to be conserved and taught
Kimbeau Surveryor: Marty, not sure I agree -- I think most media build on each other.
Profesora Farigoule: yes yes Maggie ... you said it!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and we are using 20th century methods to assess a 21st c. technology
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that "Did you know?" video
Chimera Cosmos: making the models into formulas to apply in teaching is a mistake
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ notes that there are things one finds in hybrid and online classes you don't find in a F2f class
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: exactly!
Marty Snowpaw: u and I???
Kimbeau Surveryor: I have a feeling that virtual teaching can address some problems that we don't even recognize as desirable (or even possible) outcomes, let alone measure them.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ wonders..."what is considered 'media'?"
Jenaia Morane: hahahaha
Marty Snowpaw: dah
Marty Snowpaw: I love you aj
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Kimbeau...you are onto something there!
Marty Snowpaw: it is a media and this is a media
Marty Snowpaw: no of a media
Gwenette Writer: perhaps media = information delivery
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: And "what is 'reading'?"
Marty Snowpaw: content
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the NEH's revision of "Reading at Risk" addresses that at last
Marty Snowpaw: Let do a round table about it
Jenaia Morane: oooo good idea Marty
Marty Snowpaw: great meeting AJ bravo
Jenaia Morane: TY AJ great stuff
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm running to talk to 25 football players!