Topic: Open Forum (during Mardi Gras!)
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream)
Special Note:
For the upcoming Virtual Worlds Best Practices Conference, there has been a problem with the emails on the proposals. This is the correct address: proposals@vwbpe.org
Links Mentioned:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a designer did some beads for me on the fly today
AJ Brooks: folks sitting up in the amphitheater, come on down and have a seat around the ttable
Talus Nemeth: beads? sure...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: she's very kind...
AJ Brooks: i think tinkerbell is here
AJ Brooks: everyone clap your hands if you believe!
Margaret Michalski: Is that his SL name ? I will definetly contact him as well.
Pathfinder Linden: he's also part of a really cool blog that is pulling together all the educational work going on in New Zealand: http://slenz.wordpress.com/
AJ Brooks: folks up in the seats, come on down - we don't bite
ALALibraryVal Miles: ..'til we know you better
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: right
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you look like you might tonight, AJ!
AJ Brooks: i only look menacing
AJ Brooks: ok - I'm going to go ahead and get started
AJ Brooks: since I made a resolution to start on time
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Our meeting today is an OPEN FORUM, although I'll start off today's meeting with some announcements about upcoming meetings.
AJ Brooks: Speaking of announcements, just a few before we get started.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: As promised, I finally made a sign for the FUTURE MEETINGS, it is on the West wall of the Amphitheater. It is not up to date but will be later or tomorrow, after I make tonight's announcements.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Since many have asked, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth FREE LAND INITIATIVE. Details can be found in the notegiver on the wall to my right (your left) and also the appropriate display located outside the amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 32 different educational community members.
AJ Brooks: Speaking of which, one of our residents needs your help. Margaret Michalski is running a survey. Please take the health behavior patient-physician communication survey. It is to determine the most common health behaviors and rate the physicians communication. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Montclair%20State%20CHSSSouth/186/215/22
AJ Brooks: Its short and easy - I took it today, and it will be very helpful to her
AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: Join us on FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Speaking of social networking tools, something else quite new.
AJ Brooks: Massive thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. She has also gratiously provided instructions on how to join the group. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: How to Join The SLER Group on Flickr (1) Log into Flickr with your usual account information. You MUST have an account on Flickr to participate. (2) Click on the GROUPS link at the top of your screen. In the Find a group search text box, type in SLER. (3) Two groups will appear, choose the one marked SLER and says, "SLER (SL Education Roundtable) - This group is for members to contribute images from events and meetings to document the activities of the group." (4) Directly under the group name click on JOIN THIS GROUP. (5) In the next window select OK, JOIN.
AJ Brooks: OR send Flickr Mail, or a SL mail that includes your Flickr name to: Olivia Hotshot and ask for an invitation to the group.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks to Olivia for her great snapshots that we use in our transcripts of these meetings!
Olivia Hotshot: you're quite welcome
AJ Brooks: you work, and what you do. Also, for today, type in the name of the avatar you USUALLY come as - if you are here as your alt.
AJ Brooks: Lets start today as we always do, by introducing ourselves. Please type into local chat your name, where you work, and what you do. Also, for today, type in the name of the avatar you USUALLY come as - if you are here as your alt.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret-Research Information Specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe, LRC Supervisor, Tulsa Community College - as my usual avatar
Sanguine Writer: I'm Sanguine -
Profesora Farigoule: Profesora (Lena) Farigoule- Delaware Tech; Newark DE - faculty Architectural Design
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond's Writing Center Director & Coordinator of 1st-year writing
Weave Oldrich: Ken Weaverling, Director of Systems Administration, Delaware Tech College
Pathfinder Linden: <- http://pathfinderlinden.com
Talus Nemeth: Jason Shipley - freelance SL developer based in Chicago
Geoff Lumley: Hello all. I'm Geoff Barker-Read; Head of Academic Quality and Standards at the University of Leeds, UK. I used to teach mining engineering, now I'm a senior administrator
Marty Snowpaw: Marty Snowpaw...content producer
Tuxedo Ninetails accepted your inventory offer.
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel - Cal State Univ Chico - Tech Consultant
Sarah Marcus: Sarah Marcus aka Yamis Jewell on the SLED list
Leal Choche: L Exchange, sacramento CA
Sarah Marcus: from Valhalla, NY - HS Comp Sci and Math Teacher
ALALibraryVal Miles: I'm ALALibraryVal Miles. I work for the Library of the American Library Association. And my name is Val. Hence the name
AJ Brooks: anyone we missed?
AJ Brooks: folks standing or in the amphitheater, come on down and have a seat
Stargazer Blazer waves from MIami U in Ohio.
AJ Brooks: there will always be one more chair than person
AJ Brooks: ok - intros...any others?
Leal Choche: 2820 miles from NYC
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: twice
ALALibraryVal Miles: The American Library Association is in Chicago, by the way
AJ Brooks: Thanks everyone. One last thing, its really hard for me to respond to IMs while running the meeting. If you IM me, I promise to get back to you before I sign off.
AJ Brooks: ok - before we get off into today's meeting
AJ Brooks: I'd like to make a few special announcements about upcoming events
AJ Brooks: based on the poll information from the survey we ran
Gef Bookmite: (hi everyone)
AJ Brooks: I now have the schedule of meetings through JUNE!!!
AJ Brooks: thats right - June 16th!
Olivia Hotshot: yay AJ
AJ Brooks: and it is a wowza lineup
Gizmo Latte: hi everybody
AJ Brooks: so I'd like to share it with you now - this is the frist anyone other than I knows about this
ALALibraryVal Miles: \o/!
AJ Brooks: of course, we all now that next week is March 3rd SPECIAL Panel Discussion - Sloodle. Special Guest: Daniel Livingston (SL: Buddy Sprocket)
AJ Brooks: Daniel will be bringing some special guests with him
AJ Brooks: it promises to be a great panel
Margaret Michalski: Excellent!
Talus Nemeth: indeed
Olivia Hotshot: absolutely agree
AJ Brooks: the week after that has also been set for a while, March 10th The Use of Gaming in Learning - Guest: Jeremy Koester (SL: Jeremy Braver)
AJ Brooks: if you don't know jeremey - he's fun, and this should be a great session
AJ Brooks: the week after that has also been set for a while, March 17th Arts & Education in SL - Guests: Anthony Fontana (SL: AnthonyFontana Chevalier) and Ken Hudson (SL: Kenny Hubble)
AJ Brooks: oh - forgot one person, sorry - I'll have to update that later
AJ Brooks: its right in Facebook
AJ Brooks: now - on to the new stuff
AJ Brooks: March 24th Assessing the Use of Virtual Worlds in Education
AJ Brooks: If you know anyone who has done or is doing assessment on SL in education, please direct them to me
AJ Brooks: March 31st Virtual Worlds for Hybrid and Online Learning - Guest: Stargazer Blazer
AJ Brooks: Our very own Stargazer!!!!!!!
AJ Brooks: yay!
Stargazer Blazer jumps.
AJ Brooks: The April 7th Special event promises to be a GREAT interview, I'm looking forward to it - its....
Stargazer Blazer smiles. Thanks AJ.
AJ Brooks: April 7th SPECIAL Interview - Ramapo Island and the Teen Grid. Special Guest: Maggie Marat
AJ Brooks: If you don't know Maggie, she's great - AND amazing!
Olivia Hotshot: wow - good one there too
Stargazer Blazer nods.
AJ Brooks: and what she has done with the teen grid and the ramapo islands is nothing short of Herculean
AJ Brooks: April 14th Bringing Faculty and Students into Second Life
AJ Brooks: April 21st Best Second Life Administrative Practices
AJ Brooks: April 28th Increasing our Ranks
AJ Brooks: May 5th SPECIAL Panel Discussion - Health and Health Education. Special Guest: Carolina Keats
AJ Brooks: Our once a month special series continues in May with another special and wonderful guest
AJ Brooks: this should be amazing
Pathfinder Linden: nice
AJ Brooks: Carolina is truly a one of a kind person
AJ Brooks: May 12th Students and Second Life. Coordinated by Margaret Michalski, with special guests.
AJ Brooks: May 19th Virtual Worlds other than Second Life
AJ Brooks: May 26th Are we our Avatars?
AJ Brooks: June 2nd Special - details TBA
AJ Brooks: still working out the details, should have an announcement soon
Margaret Michalski: Anyone, who has students willing to participate please let me know.
AJ Brooks: June 9th International Perspectives
AJ Brooks: and finally
Ignatius Onomatopoeia feels his jaw drop--nice line-up
AJ Brooks: June 16th Dealing with Non-Virtual Worlds Issues.
AJ Brooks: facebook and the events notecard giver will be updated later
AJ Brooks: thanks to everyone for their input
Olivia Hotshot: excellent line up AJ
AJ Brooks: the lineup is subject to change
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: this way, if I get a VERY SPECIAL guest (cough cough) I might need to change things
AJ Brooks: so - that what we have for the next nearly 4 months!
Margaret Michalski: Sloan did not make the list yet?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you can retire, AJ
Sarah Marcus: very nice AJ
Marty Snowpaw: great job aj
Zotarah Shepherd: Sounds like a great lineup AJ
AJ Brooks: I wrote to a number of people and have yet to hear back from some
Margaret Michalski: Who said they are bad at multi-tasking?
AJ Brooks: as I hear back from them I will update the lineup and let everyone noe
Gef Bookmite: cool
AJ Brooks: oh - I just can't do many things at the same time - I can do many things, as long as I don't have to do them simultaneously
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: oh - an take pictures, and put them up on Flick
AJ Brooks: many thanks to Olivia for setting that up
AJ Brooks: it should be really fun
Olivia Hotshot: nods and twirls beads
AJ Brooks: hey lady - how did you GET those beads?
AJ Brooks: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins
Olivia Hotshot stays mum
AJ Brooks: Happy Mardi Gras and Carnival everyone
Profesora Farigoule accepted your inventory offer.
AJ Brooks: I'm giving up planning any more meetings for lent! LOL
Mirt Tenk hands beads round
AJ Brooks: ok - so - who wants to start us off tonight?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: just don't give up SL for lent!
AJ Brooks: thoughts, problems, ideas, questions?
ALALibraryVal Miles: There was a question earlier today, about a killer app for Second life--?
AJ Brooks: yes - at the EDUCAUSE meeting - what did you think of that questions
ALALibraryVal Miles: It was interesting to me because I'd just had that thought!
ALALibraryVal Miles: But I think you were right, that Second Life *is* the killer app
AJ Brooks: do you think there is a need for a killer app?
AJ Brooks: well - the platform
AJ Brooks: virtual worlds, not just SL - but all of them
AJ Brooks: the platform is the killer app
Marty Snowpaw: not just the platform
Marty Snowpaw: it much more than a platform
ALALibraryVal Miles: There is still that sense that SL and virtual worlds in general are still just a "game"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: something like a document app so I can hand out an object linked to an MS office doc
Profesora Farigoule: or a PDF
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that would be something I'd love to see
AJ Brooks: well - that would be important for some people, but not for everyone
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true--my students would love it...deepens immersion
Stargazer Blazer: Pathfinder, earmuffs! ;) It would be nice if it were more stable, and linked up to things like moodle and google easily.
Margaret Michalski: General statistics and documents would be great!
AJ Brooks: but would that really bring the students in and keep them here?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hmmmm this 3D mouse I'm testing is NOT killer (yet)
AJ Brooks: how would you define a killer app?
Margaret Michalski: I know there are article in Journals etc. However, only those that are actually interested in the subject know where to look.
Stargazer Blazer: I can't even walk sometimes lately. Things are taking a really long time to rez, too. So, generally more stable, and rezzing faster.
Jock Bing: like in ironman
AJ Brooks: what is the definition of a "killer app"?
ALALibraryVal Miles: I'm still finding it difficult to convince colleagues to come here
AJ Brooks: not just for SL - but for anything
Olivia Hotshot: hehehe
AJ Brooks: ewll - the big questions is, what is the motivation for them to do so?
Sarah Marcus: I am finding it difficult to convince colleagues the time investment is worth it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "killer" may be the wrong metaphor..."transformative" works more...I think of how Word changed my world
Marty Snowpaw: The Milton Berl show was a killer app
Olivia Hotshot: killer app has universal appeal, does a task better than we are currently doing it and has a low learning curve
Marty Snowpaw: HBO was a killer app
ALALibraryVal Miles: Maybe we just need more peer pressure!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL Marty
Pathfinder Linden thinks using SL for immersive roleplay-based education, where folks learn critical decision making skills by participating in an engaging storyline over the course of days or even weeks, is a killer edu app
Sarah Marcus: I like that Pathfinder
AJ Brooks: agreed, Path
Talus Nemeth: nice
Profesora Farigoule: "participating" key word for me
Talus Nemeth: just don't label it "edutainment"
AJ Brooks: but that is putting the platform ahead of the product
Pathfinder Linden: SL Professor Noarlunga is working on this at the University of Auckland
Mirt Tenk: The primary argument used against SL for edu at our univ is that there is no doc sharing as there is in some other VWs
Margaret Michalski: Excellent article!
Pathfinder Linden: for clinical simulations
AJ Brooks: one other virtual world - at least one that is viable
AJ Brooks: but the creation tools in that world are solely lacking
Gef Bookmite: don't know that we are meeting the 'low learning curve' requirement - for the person setting up and facilitating the role play
Pathfinder Linden: if you'd like a copy of Professor Noarlunga's article on how he's building it out, please ping him via IM and ask for it directly
Stargazer Blazer: What about making it easier for people to get up to speed?
AJ Brooks: lol - i had to do that
Profesora Farigoule: but is SL learning curve any longer or steeper than Wimba or Blackboard or other facilitating online tools?
AJ Brooks: yes, Prof - it is
ALALibraryVal Miles: See, I don't think so
Profesora Farigoule: neither do I
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: much longer, I think
Profesora Farigoule: i have colleagues who are still pretty "stuck" in Blackboard
AJ Brooks: oh - I can get a faculty member on wimba classroom in 15 minutes
ALALibraryVal Miles: It's just getting people here
Jock Bing: It can be
Stargazer Blazer: There are a lot more distractions in SL.
ALALibraryVal Miles: I'd say my problem was one of perception
Sarah Marcus: i think the curve is steep but you can get to a comfortable plateau quickly
Gef Bookmite: I am required to be in Blackboard, but prefer to be in SL - my recent BB hours are 10-50 times that of my SL time
AJ Brooks: yes - steep but short
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--you can use Bb, warts and all, quickly...and there is a large support net at most schools. At Richmond, there are five of us.
Margaret Michalski: The main complaint I hear about blackboard is searching the discussion boards. SL logs make it nice and easy.
AJ Brooks: that is what I tell everyone
AJ Brooks: steep but short
Gef Bookmite: (immersion)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: *five of us for SL I mean
Mirt Tenk: I tell faculty taht it is steep but short
Eliasdehart Sixpence: a new person could use tour guides or concierges to get immersed more rapidly I think
Mirt Tenk: like going into freezing water
AJ Brooks: ISTE provide that
Sarah Marcus: hehe
AJ Brooks: they have a great docent program
Eliasdehart Sixpence: it helps to have someone walk you through the basics sometimes
Mirt Tenk: better to dive in than try to inch in
ALALibraryVal Miles: ISTE is very excellent in that respect
Leal Choche: It's a "label" (perception) problem - should refer to it as SL Grid.,...give it a different moniker that doesnÕt have the connotation of "life style" that calling it SL does
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this is also why my next class will come in through NMC
Profesora Farigoule: I think ISTE type mentoring one on one would warm that "water" up considerably
Margaret Michalski: orientations are always good.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: yes NMC looks like a good way in for educational users
Mirt Tenk: yes, for non-technophobes
AJ Brooks: WEll -= ISTE is great for educators, I didn't think it was geared enough for students
ALALibraryVal Miles: OK, maybe concentrating on a few instead of everyone wholesale
AJ Brooks: I think - for students NMCs island and orientation are the best
AJ Brooks: although ISTES web page sign up is better - shorter, and easier
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right...ISTE works for us, but not for bringing in classes
ALALibraryVal Miles: That I agree with
AJ Brooks: I wish the NMC page was shorter and easier
ALALibraryVal Miles: Is there a good "corporate" entrance way?
Sarah Marcus: perhaps we could work with ISTE to develop a student area for orientation
Stargazer Blazer: I am in the process of setting up an Orientation at IVC. If anyone has suggestions, I am open to hearing them.
AJ Brooks: they seem too concerned with capturing data of people for themselves
Jock Bing: IVC?
Stargazer Blazer: We are looking at the Global Kids curriculum and Torley Videos as jumping off points.
AJ Brooks: join their group - get their newsletter - students don't know what to do with that information
Zotarah Shepherd: ISTE is working on making a better orientation area for newbies.
AJ Brooks: its the one spot where I get the most questions
Stargazer Blazer: Insight Virtual College, Jock, it's an in-world school I run.
Jock Bing: thanks
Profesora Farigoule: yes - i am encountering perception issue with my current students in SL
AJ Brooks: Star will be talking amore about that in a few weeks, too - yay!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Stargazer, who is your audience? Students? Faculty?
Profesora Farigoule: half are resisting working in there because they do not want to be "immersed"
Stargazer Blazer: Hopefully it will be done by then.
Olivia Hotshot: ty Scott
Stargazer Blazer accepted your inventory offer.
AJ Brooks: student will resist whatever they think they can get away resisting
AJ Brooks: they resist the text books
Stargazer Blazer: It's for anyone coming into SL, so yes, Iggy, both students and teachers. I would like to make it easy for Anyone to come in and get up to speed quickly.
AJ Brooks: doing homework
ALALibraryVal Miles: I did have some success pointing people towards the books
Sarah Marcus: Sorry everyone - RL is calling. Have a great night
AJ Brooks: yu name it - they resist it
Profesora Farigoule: i believe this is different
Sanguine Writer nods.
AJ Brooks: not to them
Profesora Farigoule: they are resisting the affective level of engagement
AJ Brooks: this is work - just like the other things
Stargazer Blazer: I have RL students working on learning SL, so they will be helping the faculty and students get up and running in SL.
Profesora Farigoule: that SL requires
Profesora Farigoule: they want to work alone - without interaction
AJ Brooks: i don't think that true
Olivia Hotshot: who is resisting? faulty or students? i am confused
AJ Brooks: they don't want to work at all - most of them
AJ Brooks: but they are very social creatures
Kavon Zenovka: so it's similar to what we see in online classes
AJ Brooks: all research points to that
Kavon Zenovka: they would just prefer independent study or a correspondence course
Stargazer Blazer accepted your inventory offer.
Profesora Farigoule: I am speaking of my current (and first) group of SL students
ALALibraryVal Miles: I know faculty and students that have resisted
AJ Brooks: I disagree
Stargazer Blazer accepted your inventory offer.
Olivia Hotshot: ahh thanks
Stargazer Blazer accepted your inventory offer.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I must go as well ... always a good discussion. Thanks.
Zotarah Shepherd: Students who are taking a class just to get through it would not want to be immersed in the subject anyway no matter how you present it.
ALALibraryVal Miles: exactly
AJ Brooks: correct
Kavon Zenovka: is it because they are unsure of how to socialize in a virtual world?
ALALibraryVal Miles: Doesn't matter how well it's explained
Profesora Farigoule: these are otherwise highly motivated excellent students
AJ Brooks: most students just want to do what they have to to get through the class and ge ttheir degree
Kavon Zenovka: I agree with Zotarah
ALALibraryVal Miles: They're unengaged period
AJ Brooks: but when they are interested in something - they are quite engaged
Gef Bookmite: not even AJ - they want to know what they need to do to get the mark they want
Gef Bookmite: apart from a small number
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Gef, I disagree
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I'm lucky
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Richmond students are engaged...but it can take work
Sanguine Writer: I wish my uni. would take a more proactive step in SL- we have a sim but there is nothing done there... I'm not sure why they even have it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they loved building in SL...they had a real audience for their work, suddenly
AJ Brooks: perhaps to say they have it?
Olivia Hotshot: Sanguine - can we use it? =)
ALALibraryVal Miles: Which sim is that Sanguine?
AJ Brooks: lol
Robin Mochi: My students are graduate/doctoral students and faculty-I gave them four orientation choices - ISTE, Manpower (best corporate choice) NMC orientation and VirtualAbility-11 total in my group and they felt Virtual Ability Orientation was best-my students are older and I required they go through two orientations before our first class in SL
Sanguine Writer: Nova southeastern
ALALibraryVal Miles: Oh
Kavon Zenovka: I think instructors who want to engage their students will always have this problem
ALALibraryVal Miles: Robin, that makes sense
AJ Brooks: Robin - congrats on your wonderful meeting the other day
AJ Brooks: I hope it worked out well for you
Robin Mochi: thanks to you too, AJ!
Margaret Michalski: I have done my master's degree totally online in blackcoard and I can tell you that the content of the courses was great but I had a big sense of distance from all of the other students.
AJ Brooks: Sean is a blast
Robin Mochi: yes, it went very well, they loved your tour, AJ
Robin Mochi: yes :)
AJ Brooks: oh - great - glad I could help
Gef Bookmite: here here Margaret
Sanguine Writer: that's how I feel, Margaret
Margaret Michalski: SL is totally different! Visualization does more than people really think.
Stargazer Blazer: What we have to realize is that anyone using SL currently is an early adopter, we have to make sure SL is scalable for the "Middle Majority" to come into SL, that is what is going to really make it explode.
AJ Brooks: virtual worlds
Olivia Hotshot: i think the middle majority is already seeping in
AJ Brooks: focusing on SL may also be a mistake (sorry Path - you didn't hear that)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Stargazer, when I suggested that on the SLED list, I got beaten up
Stargazer Blazer: hehe, I don't post to SLED :P
AJ Brooks: we like to beat you up iggy - its fun
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a number of folks seemed elitist--that SL is not for the mainstream--that was not cool :)
Kavon Zenovka: what exact point Ignatius?
AJ Brooks: for the record, I did not beat iggy up
Olivia Hotshot: I also believe SL does not lend itself to all learning styles - similar to the rl where we need to provide multiple opportunities for students to engage with content -
SL is just one mode
Jock Bing: Bb is COOL???
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, I noted that some difficulties in the client deter mainstream adoption
Stargazer Blazer gasps "Educators sounding elitist?"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL fancy that!
AJ Brooks: ROFL
AJ Brooks feigns surprise
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there is a utopian group among us :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they don't want the grubby majority in here...there, I said It :)
ALALibraryVal Miles nearly drops her caviar!
AJ Brooks: nah - we're all closet constructivists
Stargazer Blazer: Hehe.
Sanguine Writer laughs.
Kavon Zenovka: unwashed masses - but they're the future
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This is what killed the Daedalus Integrated Writing Environment in the mid 90s
AJ Brooks: shhh [whispers] scaffolding is good. spread it around
Tuxedo Ninetails: Must be a very big closet
Jock Bing: Is anyone teaching NOW in SL??
Profesora Farigoule: I am
Jock Bing: here I mean
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: me--three semesters on now
Robin Mochi: I am
Stargazer Blazer: I teach in SL, but to SL Residents.
AJ Brooks: not this semester - but I am working with four classes that are
Jock Bing: What course?
Profesora Farigoule: Architedtural Design Fundamentals
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: First-year writing
Jock Bing: nice-
Stargazer Blazer: I also do tours and such for our RL students.
Kavon Zenovka: working with 3 - 1 accounting and 2 religious studies
Jock Bing: first year writing??
Jock Bing: how's that working?
AJ Brooks: Fantasy Fiction, Media and the Middle School, Counseling Theories, and Media and Literacy
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--comp must be more than words
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the students LOVED it in Fall 08
ALALibraryVal Miles: The Alliance Virtual Library has some classes for incoming librarians
Stargazer Blazer: Yea, I did a first year writing class last week, getting them up to speed. They are in the honors section.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I made them use video, still images, text, do research, and build stuff
Robin Mochi: mine is an "Intro to Second Life for Educators" only one credit hour course for doctorate/grad students and faculty for prof development purposes
AJ Brooks: cooool
mOOn Jaecies: Accounting? what kind of activities do you do in SL?
Jock Bing: See-- this sounds more like what is REALLY going on
Zotarah Shepherd: Great Robin!
Gef Bookmite: apparently there are some excellent accounting resources in SL
Kavon Zenovka: Inventory
Gef Bookmite: modeling the fundamental processes
AJ Brooks: well - there is a whole economy
Robin Mochi: the faculty in my course are loving Second Life so far-7weeks into the course
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our Marketing faculty bring classes in-world now
Kavon Zenovka: Y9u know how messy inventory is
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and...ahem..the law school wants to study IP issues now with students
Kavon Zenovka: and how do you evaluate pricing? and record it for a business
Kavon Zenovka: it's the wild wild west in accounting here
mOOn Jaecies: so much of the time ur taking students and in SL? (accounting)
Stargazer Blazer: We have a faculty member who teaches Game Design and she uses SL for it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It's the Wild West at Bear Stearns and Lehman too
ALALibraryVal Miles is trying to forget her former banking past!
Kavon Zenovka: we have a very basic project for out legal environments of business students on how to do a contract in a virtual world
Kavon Zenovka: the project only lasts 2 weeks though
Kavon Zenovka: yes
Jock Bing: These courses you all are teaching--
Stargazer Blazer: SL is also great for business simulations.
Kavon Zenovka: but we were using Gingko Bank run as an example over a year ago
Jock Bing: are they self support?
AJ Brooks: wowo - great example
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, Jock...I'm the support
Jock Bing: tuition, I mean
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ah--yes, that too
Kavon Zenovka: not really - I'm the embedded instructional designer who stay s with the class for as long as they need it
Gef Bookmite: I hope this is not too far off-topic, but I'd like to know where I can take students with a free tute space to 'meet and greet' distance students two or three times in a term (or more if they want to)
Robin Mochi: yes, tuition covers
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: mandatory course for over half our first-years
Profesora Farigoule: mine is - we are "gypsy" builders, own no SL presence (yet), use borrowed and Public Sandboxes, keep all in inventory, ...
Profesora Farigoule: and
Profesora Farigoule: I am covering any SL fees personally
Profesora Farigoule: so far $L100 for group ;)
Jock Bing: ouch
Kavon Zenovka: we may go gypsy next year - depending on if our island budget gets approved again
Stargazer Blazer: Insight Virtual College! You can use our space if you need it, Gef.
Profesora Farigoule: no biggie but our accounting dept requires original invoice
Profesora Farigoule: for reimbursement
Kavon Zenovka: funny
Kavon Zenovka: we put down the island as an educational simulation
Profesora Farigoule: i donÕt see Linden Labs sending me anything like that soon ;)
AJ Brooks: they do
Kavon Zenovka: see why accounting is so wild west here
Profesora Farigoule: really?
AJ Brooks: i gotthem to send me an invoice last year
AJ Brooks: all you need to do is open a ticket
AJ Brooks: a support ticket
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: All our folks need is a print-out of the bill...but we are "small school" that way
AJ Brooks: yup - they sent me an invoice so we could pay by PO
AJ Brooks: not sure they called it an "invoice" but it was the same none-the-less
Stargazer Blazer: If you need room to do a class or something, and you don't have resources/support, please IM me. We have a completely redesigned campus at IVC and welcome RL educators!
Gef Bookmite: tks Stargazer, great
Zotarah Shepherd smiles warmly at Star.
Gef Bookmite: *great
Stargazer Blazer: :D
Kavon Zenovka: may take you up on that after we hear from the budget in July
AJ Brooks: ah - I love it -collaboration
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Star
AJ Brooks: too many silos is traditional higher ed
Stargazer Blazer: We have loads of room.
Stargazer Blazer: Room, too.
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: so - completely off topic - say YES if you are on the SLED list
AJ Brooks: YES
Profesora Farigoule: yes
Pathfinder Linden: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: yes
Robin Mochi: yes
Stargazer Blazer: Yes
Olivia Hotshot: yes
mOOn Jaecies: yes
Margaret Michalski: no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sigh--yes
Jock Bing: yes
Sanguine Writer: no
Kavon Zenovka: yes
Stargazer Blazer: now, how many of you actually have time to read the SLED list? :p
Stargazer Blazer: hehe
AJ Brooks: THANK GOD FOR GOOGLE MAIL!!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: does skimming count???
Profesora Farigoule: he he he
Marty Snowpaw: I do
Pathfinder Linden skims it every day, and also thanks God for GMail
Profesora Farigoule: skimming vry fast like dragonfly?
AJ Brooks: so - I have an honest question to ask
Robin Mochi: I hope skimming counts
Kavon Zenovka: skim - sorry I used to read it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there is that threaded Web client for seeing it
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe part of the time. I get the review so can scan topics.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll find the URL
Zotarah Shepherd: I save all of them though
Stargazer Blazer: I browse it occasionally. :) and thanks for Gmail, Google!
Olivia Hotshot: i read it for what i am looking for at the moment and block out the rest
AJ Brooks: say YES if you think SLED list should be MONOlingual and NO if you think it should be MULTIlingual
Profesora Farigoule: ....is an awful lot like Olivia :)
Olivia Hotshot: the style is amazingly clunky
AJ Brooks: YES = mnoo, NO = multi
Zotarah Shepherd: Multi
Stargazer Blazer: No
AJ Brooks: NO!
mOOn Jaecies: NO
Margaret Michalski: no
Marty Snowpaw: Multi language
Profesora Farigoule: errr...
AJ Brooks: or just say mono or multi I guess
Jock Bing: no
Olivia Hotshot: no
Weave Oldrich: don't care really
mOOn Jaecies: multi
Robin Mochi: not sure
Stargazer Blazer: multi
Weave Oldrich: either way
Profesora Farigoule: being multi lingual - that seems normal to me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No--mas idiomas por favor
Mirt Tenk: no
Kavon Zenovka: don't care
AJ Brooks: ok - I can see why someone would make the argument for mono lingual
Zotarah Shepherd: Ideal would be topic translated in case we want to translate the rest.
AJ Brooks: however
AJ Brooks: I thought some of the folks presented themsevles as amazingly uneducated in their responses
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: BTW, Nabble has a SLED viewer at: http://n2.nabble.com/SLED-f577505.html
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes AJ I gave up on that thread.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia took a drink and ignored it
Olivia Hotshot: amazing how such a multi-lingual platform caused such a ripple when the listserv went multi- lingual
AJ Brooks: i mean - the bottom line is - if you can't read it - don't just delete it . Sometimes I can't udnerstand what some of the more techie folks are talking about - but I don't gripe about that
Stargazer Blazer: Thanks, Iggy!
Mirt Tenk: we were all uneducated at some point.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey, you know how some group lists are in-world...Lots of jingoism
Zotarah Shepherd: oh Thanks Iggy
Mirt Tenk loves the searchable archives
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I stumbled upon Nabble...makes SLED approachable for me
AJ Brooks: so - you went wild on the groups in profile thing but ignored the multilingual thing?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I did, AJ...I might have jumped in but one flame-war was enough
AJ Brooks: ROFL
AJ Brooks: ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
AJ Brooks: right
AJ Brooks: I love Sarah's recent post about the tool and the process
Profesora Farigoule: ...Iggy was putting out the scorch on his jeans from the first time :)
AJ Brooks: leave it to her to really poke a stick in a hornets nest
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey. It was her turn
AJ Brooks: she's spot n too
Robin Mochi: Yes, AJ, I love Sarah's post and the thread on that topic
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: see what I mean about utopian bullies?
AJ Brooks: *spot on
AJ Brooks: LOL
AJ Brooks: IÕm going to tell her you said that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: please do!
AJ Brooks: well - fokls - as Mr Rogers would say
AJ Brooks: I'm so glad we had this time together
AJ Brooks: oh wait - that was Carol Burnett
Pathfinder Linden: lol
AJ Brooks: LOL
Jock Bing: Thanks AJ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: time to go to the Land of Make Believe?
AJ Brooks: i was crushed when I found out trolly wans't real
Pathfinder Linden loves these discussions
ALALibraryVal Miles: Putting on my wings and going...!
AJ Brooks: seriusly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: who needs beads????
AJ Brooks: when Mr. Rogers showed how trolly worked, I cried and cried
Mirt Tenk: ty for the beads iggy
AJ Brooks: of course, I was like 5
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yw...
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ALALibraryVal Miles: I'd like some beads!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: speak up or go beadless :)
Robin Mochi: thanks again, AJ