Transcript of Feb. 17, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Libraries & Library Services in SL (special guest: Lorelei Junot)
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream)
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.AJ Brooks: Our theme for this weeks meeting is LIBRARIES AND LIBRARY SERVICES IN SL and our special guest is LORI BELL (SL: Lorelei Junot)
AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started.
Kay Tairov: libraries
Adra Letov: \o/!
AJ Brooks: In one of our past meeting we asked for ideas for upcoming meetings and speakers. We got some great suggestions and want to let you help determine which we feature.
AJ Brooks: Visit this short survey at http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pQAgf1j2t-hPOeNieXTD4eA and share your thoughts with us.
Daisyblue Hefferman: lol, Kay's brought her fav gesture!
AJ Brooks: You can also click the box here on the middle of the table.
AJ Brooks: TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS SURVEY.
Kay Tairov: hihi
AJ Brooks: We are fortunate to have a GREAT schedule over the next few weeks as well.. A copy of this schedule can be found in the notecard giver along the wall. It looks like a spinning pole at the moment, but I promse to work on that as soon as I get a chance.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Lorelei Junot: wow what a great crowd :)
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Since many have asked, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth FREE LAND INITIATIVE. Details can be found in the notegiver on the wall to my right (your left) and also the appropriate display located outside the amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 32 different educational community members.
AJ Brooks: Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: Something new - we are now on FACEBOOK. If you are, too, please join our Facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: Lets start today as we always do, by introducing ourselves. Please type into local chat your name, where you work, and what you do. Also, for today, type in the name of the avatar you USUALLY come as - if you are here as your alt.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown
Lorelei Junot: Lori Bell/Lorelei Junot, Alliance Library System
Daisyblue Hefferman: Daisyblue Hefferman, Alliance Virtual Library
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, Dean Beach College Academy
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny...I teach Caribbean History at Hunter College in New York
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Writing Center Director, University of Richmond. Pappy Enoch would be here but he's busy writing for the Alphaville (formerly SL) Herald
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel - Tech Consultant - California State Univ, Chico
Jarrad Voom: Willie Jackson Pierce College
Adra Letov: Diane Nahl, professor of Library and Information Science, University of Hawaii
Peace Furst: Peace Furst, NCSU Libraries
Teachergirl Razor: Teachergirl Razor, \university of Western Ontario Canada Teach in Faculty of Information and Media Studies
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life
Talus Nemeth: Jason Shipley: freelance in-world developer/builder/scripter specializing in edu tech.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe - LRC Supervisor - Tulsa Community College
Rachelle Munro: Rochell McWhorter, PhD Student, Texas A&M University
Jock Bing: Rick Ford--math professor at Chico State
Margaret Michalski: Margaret, Research Information Specialist
ALALibraryVal Miles: ALALibraryVal Miles, American Library Association
Kay Tairov: Kay Tairov, Membership Specialist for the American Library Association and one of the admins for ALA Island
Slick Reichman: Jeff Univ of West Georgia MIS
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read, University of Leeds, UK
Pathfinder Linden: I'm John Lester, focused at Linden Lab on Education and Healthcare Market Development, and all my info is on http://pathfinderlinden.com
Fred Brecher: Fred Hagemeister, University of Richmond, I manage the instructional technologists
Bisbee Writer: Michelle Dyerhurdon- Librarian, Phoenix College
AJ Brooks: there are some empty chairs, folks
Joleen Llewellyn: Shannon Field,
Breno Kronfeld: Teatcher - Parana State South brazil
Robin Mochi: Robin Mochi /Robin Ashford George Fox University, Portland, Oregon
Biker Sopwith: Doug Switzer, Instructor of Communication, Owens Community College, Findlay, OH USA
Robin Mochi: USA
Profesora Farigoule: Prof Lena Farigoule - Delaware Tech, Newark DE (aks LC Weaverling)
Joleen Llewellyn: Woops - Shannon Field, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical Univ.
JanythKU Techsan: Janyth Ussery, Director of Web Education @ Texas State Technical College and vTSTC instructor for Professional Development
Marty Snowpaw: Marty Snowpaw VWBPE
Aldrif Avro: I'm nursing faculty at the U of San Francisco
AJ Brooks: did we miss anyone?
Annie Obscure: Anne Ogborn, Anne Ogborn Engineering, I make education tools in Second Life
AJ Brooks: opps - lori dropped offline
Unti Kamala: lecturer in computer science at the U of Helsinki, Finland
AJ Brooks: what a crowd tonight
Murdock Steuart: Rob McGeachin/ SL Murdock Steuart I am an agricultural librarian at Texas A&M University in College Station Texas.
AJ Brooks: anyone else need to introduce themself?
Daisyblue Hefferman: Lori's hair is back
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: twice
Zotarah Shepherd: Please come sit at the table everyone.
AJ Brooks: good
AJ Brooks: Thanks everyone. One last thing, its really hard for me to respond to IMs while running the meeting. If you IM me, I promise to get back to you before I sign off.
AJ Brooks: ok - so tonight's meeting
AJ Brooks: I want to say something about our guest before turning it over to her
AJ Brooks: Lori is one of the finest people I know in SL
AJ Brooks: she has always been willing to help
Kay Tairov: that she's awesome?
AJ Brooks: answer questions
AJ Brooks: be the go to person
AJ Brooks: and when it came time to bring my class to Info Island for a visit
AJ Brooks: she personally did the meeting
AJ Brooks: and it was amazing
AJ Brooks: I hope she talks about that type of thing they do just a bit tonight
AJ Brooks: you just can't find a better representation of what is RIGHT with SL
AJ Brooks: and without further ado
Daisyblue Hefferman: amen!
AJ Brooks: Lori Bell
Adra Letov: Yay Lori!!!
Lorelei Junot: lol
Lorelei Junot: wow
Aldrif Avro: cheers
Lorelei Junot: what an introduction
Kay Tairov: \o/!
Lorelei Junot: AJ, the check is in the mail lol
Teachergirl Razor: applause
AJ Brooks: lol
Olivia Hotshot: /claps
Lorelei Junot: there are many from the library community here too
ALALibraryVal Miles: \o/!
Lorelei Junot: so I hope they can chip in
Jarrad Voom: \o/!
Talus Nemeth: applause
Birdie Newcomb: Great work.
Lorelei Junot: are there any topics or questions you have?
Pathfinder Linden: Lori was the first librarian I ever met in SL, and SHE ROCKS
ALALibraryVal Miles: hopefully in Lindens, that dollar's not what it used to be...
Lorelei Junot: we can run the discussion around your questions
Birdie Newcomb: What is it that librarians do in SL?
Lorelei Junot: I think SL and other virtual worlds are a great way for libraries to reinvent themselves
Lorelei Junot: we have a group of island called the info archipelago
Lorelei Junot: if you would like a tour sometime, we can talk
Lorelei Junot: I can find your interests and show you some things
Lorelei Junot: we have 53 islands
Lorelei Junot: about 30 of them are library islands
Lorelei Junot: that all work together in sl
Lorelei Junot: and then we have non profit, educational and governmental partners
Biker Sopwith: Suffering severe lag...but I'm following the chat. Doug Switzer Owens Comm College in Findlay, Ohio, USA Instructor in Communication
Lorelei Junot: wonderful collaboration way beyond what I have ever experienced in real life
Lorelei Junot: we have traditional library services
Eliasdehart Sixpence: who pays for all that?
Lorelei Junot: liek you would find in a regular library
Lorelei Junot: Elia, that is an excellent question
Lorelei Junot: I will go into detail on that in a moment
Lorelei Junot: we have a live reference desk staffed by library volunteers from all over the world 80 hours a week
Lorelei Junot: we get some real life reference questions
Lorelei Junot: but also many about how to do thing is in second life
Lorelei Junot: we have interactive collections and exhibits
Lorelei Junot: and a number of programs and events around those
Birdie Newcomb: Is it librarians without libraries?
Lorelei Junot: one example is Land of Lincoln - this is an example of an immerisve sim
Lorelei Junot: no we have a lot of libraries and a lot of librarians
Lorelei Junot: libraries play a role in all we do :)
Lorelei Junot: since this is the bicentennial of Lincoln's birth
Lorelei Junot: we have an island dedicated to him
Lorelei Junot: with a Lincoln era Whitehouse
Lorelei Junot: a typical plantation with an interactive library
Lorelei Junot: on slavery
Lorelei Junot: Daisyblue hefferman is the genius behind this beautiful place
AJ Brooks: \o/
Lorelei Junot: and she has events which bring everything to life
Lorelei Junot: she has a number of period libraries
Lorelei Junot: she gives tours
Lorelei Junot: so how we pay for this
Lorelei Junot: everything we do in here is paid for with grant funds, donations or from funds generated from rent or events
Lorelei Junot: for example we had two days of stepping into science in virtual worlds conferences
Lorelei Junot: we teamed up with Learning times on that
Lorelei Junot: we did charge a registration fee
Lorelei Junot: the money we earned from that goes into paying for everything
Trin Macchi: is there voice right now? I'm not hearing it
Daisyblue Hefferman: 182 registrants for those.
Lorelei Junot: we have several grants going right now
Pathfinder Linden: sustainable business model. i love it.
Lorelei Junot: that pay for our health information activities
Lorelei Junot: we have health info island and karuna which is an island for AIDs outreach and inforamtion
Lorelei Junot: we have a number of islands where we rent spaces at low cost
Pathfinder Linden: the stepping in to science conferences have been great. I spoke at the last one.
Lorelei Junot: to libraries and educators
Lorelei Junot: we do a series of stepping to conferences
Lorelei Junot: they are stepping into virtual worlds
Lorelei Junot: we take a topic
Lorelei Junot: such as history, health, literature and science
Lorelei Junot: and we highlight the great things people are doing here
Lorelei Junot: the exciting thing about these is that they bring a lot of new people into sl
Lorelei Junot: a lot of new educators and librarians
Lorelei Junot: we are also doing an education conference at the end of April
Lorelei Junot: the income from that will help us pay for things
Lorelei Junot: so we have to raise the income for all we do here
Lorelei Junot: we also have a huge number of volunteers
Lorelei Junot: to build things
Lorelei Junot: plan events
Lorelei Junot: hold book discussions
Lorelei Junot: plan art galleries, etc
Lorelei Junot: so if you have a class you are bringing into sl
Lorelei Junot: and you would like a tour
Lorelei Junot: please contact me or any librarian
Lorelei Junot: we will give a tour of the resources we have
AJ Brooks: I STRONGLY RECOMMENT THIS
Lorelei Junot: and customize the tour to the topic of your class
Lorelei Junot: we have done this several times
AJ Brooks: my class did this and it was the AH HA moment for them with SL
Eliasdehart Sixpence: University of Illinois GSLIS is doing workshops in SL...is this connected with SL Librarian Group too?
Lorelei Junot: it gives the students a place to go to get live help
Lorelei Junot: and a center place to find resources
Gwenette Writer: thanks for the tour offer I will refer to KSU faculty ALWAYS asked for thta very thing
Lorelei Junot: there are a number starting in march
Lorelei Junot: these classes are for librarians and educators
Lorelei Junot: one moment and I will get the url for you
Lorelei Junot: yes University of Illinois offers some non credit CE
Lorelei Junot: http://www.lis.uiuc.edu/programs/cpd/VW/
Oronoque Westland: the classes are great...I have taken almost all of them (commission please)
Lorelei Junot: we have virtual world librarianship
Lorelei Junot: Oronoque the lindens are in the mail lol
Daisyblue Hefferman: lol, Oro
Lorelei Junot: the email
AJ Brooks: lol
Lorelei Junot: setting up an educational presence in sl
Lorelei Junot: working with a class in sl
Lorelei Junot: instructional tools in sl
Lorelei Junot: the classes are small
Lorelei Junot: and there is a lot of great discussion
Marty Snowpaw: yes they are first rate
Lorelei Junot: and brainstorming going on during the sessions
Lorelei Junot: we have an alliance second life google group
Lorelei Junot: where we share ideas
Lorelei Junot: and events
Oronoque Westland: and you meet the best librarians/builders/thinkers in SL to learn from
Pathfinder Linden: oh jeesh, someone clicking on my hat again.
AJ Brooks: Path - did your head just blow up?
Daisyblue Hefferman: whoa, Oro, you looking for a bonus too? lol
JanythKU Techsan snickers
Oronoque Westland: no more e-mailed Lindens please
Lorelei Junot: American Library Association is here too
Lorelei Junot: it is exciting to work with them
Lorelei Junot: several of them are here :)
Kay Tairov: :-)
ALALibraryVal Miles: where?
Pathfinder Linden: AJ, if someone clicks on my hat, it casts a fireball on them. I like to give something back to the community.
Lorelei Junot: that is our largest professional organization ion the world
Lorelei Junot: to haove them here gave us a lot of credibility
Lorelei Junot: besides the libraries on info island
Lorelei Junot: there are over 120 libraries in sl
Gwenette Writer: Pathfinder is so generous hahaha
Lorelei Junot: that have a real life counterpart
Lorelei Junot: and are setting up a presence in sl too
AJ Brooks: Lori - what makes an SL library different or unique from a non-virtual library?
Lorelei Junot: www.infoisland.org/directory
Lorelei Junot: each library is very different
Lorelei Junot: Stanford U and Cleveland public are the larges
Lorelei Junot: they have whole islands for their libraries
Lorelei Junot: we have several islands where libraries have a small storefront
Lorelei Junot: some promote their regional or local collections
Olivia Hotshot: Stanford Library is holding a tour tomorrow.
Lorelei Junot: some have events
Lorelei Junot: yes some have tours
Lorelei Junot: they are all trying different things
Lorelei Junot: that might appeal to their patrons or potential patrons in the virtual world
Lorelei Junot: wow, what a great crowd
AJ Brooks: over 40 people! :-) great topic, great guest
Lorelei Junot: other questions or topics you would like me and others involved in the libraries to address?
AJ Brooks: why should a non-virtual library consider a presence in SL?
Lorelei Junot: there are now librarians working full time for their institutions in second life
Lorelei Junot: when we started 3 years ago, those of us working in here had to do it on our own time
Birdie Newcomb: How do you coordinate?
Lorelei Junot: now there are full time staff members working here in sl
Lorelei Junot: AJ, I think they should consider it because this is the next evolution of the web
Zotarah Shepherd: How do librarians promote the use of SL to other librarians?
Lorelei Junot: there are so many new and exciting ways to teach
Lorelei Junot: and to learn in virtual worlds
Lorelei Junot: librarians should be therein a number of roles
Lorelei Junot: one example is sun
Lorelei Junot: their librarians are very active in sl
Lorelei Junot: they train staff on how to use sl
Lorelei Junot: they help plan events
Lorelei Junot: and they help design the user experience
Lorelei Junot: which is the sun island
Lorelei Junot: so they have a very important role in many ways
Lorelei Junot: Birdie - coordination
Lorelei Junot: it is very loose
Lorelei Junot: Daisy jump in here if you like
Margaret Michalski: From me it is much easier and faster to find things thatn it is in RL.
Lorelei Junot: We have alliance library system who is the fiscal agent and overall manager
AJ Brooks: I'd like to try a straw poll - say YES if you are a LIBRARIAN
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I think there is a lot of potential, but right now it seems to me that we would not get much involvement from our real life constituency (community college).
Lorelei Junot: then we have a number of groups that do specific things
Eliasdehart Sixpence: YES!
Lorelei Junot: one group is reference
Murdock Steuart: yes
Bisbee Writer: YES
Marc Rexen: Yes
Annie Obscure: no
Daisyblue Hefferman: YES
Eliasdehart Sixpence: It would be a select group of faculty/students
Margaret Michalski: no
Lorelei Junot: anyone who works at the reference desk is a member of that group
Profesora Farigoule: no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no
Lorelei Junot: the group helps them stay organized and in touch
Ignatius Onomatopoeia married one
Lorelei Junot: they might also have a google group
Geoff Lumley: No
Sofie Sass: yes
Lorelei Junot: for most of our islands we have a sim coordinator
Zotarah Shepherd: no
Peace Furst: yes
Lorelei Junot: for instance, daisy is ithe coordinator of land of Lincoln
Marty Snowpaw: no
Lorelei Junot: she plans and coordinates all events, displays, builds, etc
Unti Kamala: no
Olivia Hotshot: no
Lorelei Junot: she promotes their events in world and out of world
ALALibraryVal Miles: YES
Lorelei Junot: we have another community that works on renaissance island
Lorelei Junot: there are 2 managers
Lorelei Junot: they have an in world group
Lorelei Junot: and a google group
AJ Brooks: wow - 9 librarians, almost 25% of the group
Profesora Farigoule: where could I point our library staff on the internet, other than what already has been mentioned... to get idea of "why" libraries can use virtual worlds
Adra Letov: yes
Lorelei Junot: they plan and promote their own events and make their own decisions
Lorelei Junot: it is very loose
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Lorelei, our librarians at Richmond have faculty status. Any advice for them, in terms of getting SL to "count" in annual evaluations?
Lorelei Junot: does that help explain our organization birdie
Daisyblue Hefferman: I'll be participating at the AASLH conference in august sharing idead with museums
AJ Brooks: gret question!
Lorelei Junot: one way to get faculty status etc is to publish and speak
AJ Brooks: I like Iggy's question - same is true at MSU
Lorelei Junot: many people are here doing research
Lorelei Junot: they are writing articles and speaking at conferences
Lorelei Junot: at almost all conferences now in the library world there are programs on virtual worlds
Lorelei Junot: they could also get involved in ALA
Lorelei Junot: ALA and professional involvement counts for a lot
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes...many do have it but SL might seem odd for a "service" or "scholarship" component (right now)
Lorelei Junot: ALA is doing great
Kay Tairov: :-D
Lorelei Junot: things
Lorelei Junot: ACRL has a task force on second life
Murdock Steuart: I would have to teach a class in SL or publish an article about what we would be doing to get "credit"
Kay Tairov: ACRL is one of the most active Divisions in SL
Robin Mochi: Yes
Adra Letov: research in SL
Lorelei Junot: we have a membership interest group on virtual communities and libraries that is doing a lot here in sl
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see my university library have a presence here in SL, but don't quite know how to sell the idea to them.
Lorelei Junot: Murdock, if you want to teach a class, we can help you get set up
Profesora Farigoule: is it fair to say that virtual worlds is/will become another medium of information literacy ... therefore librarians *need* to be there for faculty and students?
Birdie Newcomb: Somewhat. Where does a seeker start?
Lorelei Junot: if you want to do a research topic, we can help you get the word out about that too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Z, that's such a good question to bring up
Lorelei Junot: there have been several people work within our groups who are working on thesis or dissertation
Lorelei Junot: ok I think I have missed some questions
Teachergirl Razor: good point professor
AJ Brooks: Zotarah - repeat your question
Daisyblue Hefferman: Profesora, yes, virtual worlds are here to stay, and to remain viable, rl libraries need to embrace them.
Robin Mochi: yes, Profesora, I would def say virtual worlds should be a part of information literacy instruction
Lorelei Junot: Profesoria we have a number of librarians in her interested in information literacy
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see my university library have a presence here in SL, but don't quite know how to sell the idea to them. How do I do that?
Lorelei Junot: and how virtual worlds can be used to increase that
Lorelei Junot: and to teach it
Marc Rexen: Is your question Birdie where does a seeker of Educational Librarianship start...or someone seeing a Reference Interview into what SL has available start?
Lorelei Junot: Zotorah, you might suggest they take a tour
Lorelei Junot: that is how people usually start
Lorelei Junot: it is so difficult for people to imagine
Lorelei Junot: they have to see it
Robin Mochi: There are educational builds in SL that I consider another format of information for my students and faculty
Zotarah Shepherd: Getting them into SL is the hard part
Lorelei Junot: they have to see it in action for it to make sense and to imaginei the possibilities
AJ Brooks: have them watch you
Daisyblue Hefferman: Puglet Dancer's chapter in our book, Virtual Worlds, Real Libraries addresses convincing others to support sl.
Lorelei Junot: then, if they are interested in a tour
Profesora Farigoule: yes... my colleagues too - a hard sell in the library at the momet
Profesora Farigoule: moment
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Daisy
Lorelei Junot: you can set that up with any one of us who would be happy to help
AJ Brooks: hook your computer to a data projector and take them on a tour
Lorelei Junot: and to address the subject areas you are interested in
Marc Rexen: ...and best to focus Librarianship on the Educational aspects for now and the near future...:)
AJ Brooks: thats how I got our library interested - they have a space right here on our CHSS/MSU islands
Robin Mochi: For instance if a student is researching schizophrenia-I would show them how to find books, research articles, videos and then recommend the Virtual Hallucinations build in SL
Daisyblue Hefferman: WE do those type of tours all the time. Just next week is one for Italian educators
Lorelei Junot: and some you will never convince
ALALibraryVal Miles: http://www.virtualworldsreallibraries.info/
Birdie Newcomb: Just someone curious, a student perhaps
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Is it a select group of faculty/students using SL at others' institutions?
Lorelei Junot: Sonja Morgwain gives a monthly orientation for librarians and educators too
Teachergirl Razor: starting with library schools is a good place then people who leave to work elsewhere already have an idea
Lorelei Junot: I think her next one is feb. 23
Lorelei Junot: just an hour intro on how to get started in virtual worlds,
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--but simulations have a value that need to be experienced. Our librarians have helped Marketing classes with SL--then they saw the application right away.
Lorelei Junot: where to find spaces, how to network, etc
Adra Letov: Apologies, must go to RL class
Daisyblue Hefferman: bye, Adra.
Lorelei Junot: did I miss any other questions
ALALibraryVal Miles: Also see the blog - http://virtualworldsreallibraries.blogspot.com/
Lorelei Junot: we also have a blog for info island at
Lorelei Junot: www.infoisland.org
Lorelei Junot: which is aimed at activities in second life
Daisyblue Hefferman: speaking of Adra, for example, there's an increasing presence of library educators in sl.
AJ Brooks: What are some of the events you have coming up, Lori?
Lorelei Junot: we have many people in our groups who are not librarians
Birdie Newcomb: Anything like a card catalog or computer interface?
Daisyblue Hefferman: that will filter on up as new graduates come to work
Birdie Newcomb: Or is it all through librarians?
Lorelei Junot: many are educators, retirees, or people just interested in a topic like renaissance island
ALALibraryVal Miles: Or Bradburyville--?
Lorelei Junot: the resources we have are computer terminals that link to websites on topics
Oronoque Westland: I'm an honorary librarian, no?
Lorelei Junot: some of them are clickable objects - daisy would you talk about some of yours on land of Lincoln
Daisyblue Hefferman: We have a second series of lectures planned for Bradburyville done by Lori's father, a Bradbury scholar and friend.
Lorelei Junot: that will take people to oral histories, websites, book information, etc.
Lorelei Junot: here are some upcoming events
Lorelei Junot: the 2nd Thursday of each month
Lorelei Junot: we are having a Bradbury book talk
Lorelei Junot: this month was the October country
Pathfinder Linden: i think it is fascinating how, as librarians, you are often creating the scaffolding to allow other people with deep domain expertise or interest to contribute to your projects. brilliant strategy.
Oronoque Westland: I like the use of objects in the libraries as portals to web-based resources
Lorelei Junot: Romance poetry slam on Feb. 21
Lorelei Junot: Stonewall book discussion on Feb. 22
Lorelei Junot: Thursday night there is a book discussion on investing info island
Lorelei Junot: April 24-25 is the next virtual worlds: libraries, education and musems conference
Daisyblue Hefferman: also a smart investing social on Sat. night.
Margaret Michalski: Have you ever had the experience where your library just did not have the information a students was looking for?
Lorelei Junot: we also have a lot of author programs
Lorelei Junot: there is a group of libraries in sl
Lorelei Junot: that do not have real life counterparts
Lorelei Junot: one of them is Caldeon
Daisyblue Hefferman: We do pretty well. If the one on duty doesn't have an answer, they know someone who does
Lorelei Junot: they are not part of us, but we work together and help each other promote services
Lorelei Junot: they plan a lot of wonderful programs and book discussions
Lorelei Junot: Margaret, we have that as an ongoing challenge
Lorelei Junot: one of the problems with offering reference here
Lorelei Junot: is that we as a library do not subscribe to any electronic databases
Lorelei Junot: it would go against the licensing agreements for any one institution to give database access to jsut anyone they met at our reference desk
Lorelei Junot: a year ago or so we got a database trial
Lorelei Junot: and then they just did not know how to price us
Profesora Farigoule: understandable , but an obstacle nonetheless
Lorelei Junot: so we can send people to free websites
Lorelei Junot: or we can recommend databases
Birdie Newcomb: too bad
Eliasdehart Sixpence: do you ever refer to real libraries?
Lorelei Junot: but they have to use whatever is available at their own institution
Lorelei Junot: yes we do
Lorelei Junot: we refer people all the time to real libraries
Eliasdehart Sixpence: provide links
Daisyblue Hefferman: or we can do the research, then send them to local places for their full texts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: One quick Q: I learned LOC as a grad-student with an online game. Could we see a research tool that we'd walk through, like the Bloom's Taxonomy exhibit?
Profesora Farigoule: sigh... where was SL when i was writing my thesis ;)
Lorelei Junot: Robin Mochi here is an outstanding example for an academic librarian working in sl and helping her institution in sl
Robin Mochi: :)
Lorelei Junot: Ignatius, what a great idea!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let's build it!
Lorelei Junot: I have wondered about how to bring visual searches into sl
Aldrif Avro: Thanks so much, I have to go...
Lorelei Junot: like they have for some databases
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: student writers have so much trouble learning how to research
Lorelei Junot: ok, yes let's go for it ignatius
Profesora Farigoule: very very true Ig!
Lorelei Junot: Robin, do you have any tips for educators
Lorelei Junot: or librarians who want to convince their educators to come into sl
Robin Mochi: I think librarians can play an important part as Second Life grows in indexing top educational builds for students and faculty using inworld tagging tools such as sloog and salamander HUDS
Daisyblue Hefferman: Boolean search is another great topic for such a scripted tool
Olivia Hotshot: Visual searches sound most interesting
Birdie Newcomb: Hw do you connect to colleges?
Margaret Michalski: Are libarians in SlL open to the option of obtaining an article for someone from their RL libary for a price? My institution is always willling to get an an article not available for a price.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia thinks about moving subject-bubbles to show how Boolean logic works...
Robin Mochi: I am creating inworld subject guides for my faculty and students using the Sloog HUD and then
Profesora Farigoule: wow Robin!
Robin Mochi: adding additional content to the sloog website, such as videos, comments etc.
Lorelei Junot: Margaret that is something we can consider
Lorelei Junot: but usually we refer people to their home library
Lorelei Junot: to find an article
Lorelei Junot: or to get interlibrary loan
Lorelei Junot: most people do not want to pay
Robin Mochi: this added value I believe can be very useful especially as SL grows
AJ Brooks: What are the pros and cons of a library having a presence on an institutions island versus the info island chain?
Daisyblue Hefferman: the institution can then tailor their library for their end users.
Lorelei Junot: yes there are advantages and disadvantages to both
Lorelei Junot: one thing we are trying to do
Daisyblue Hefferman: There is so much library in sl, it would not all fit on a sim anyway
Lorelei Junot: is to share reference services
Lorelei Junot: since we have a reference desk staffed 80 hours a week
Lorelei Junot: if libraries will agree to help us staff that,
Murdock Steuart: you stay part of your institutionsÕ "brand" and you really could offer things that only your students could access
Lorelei Junot: we give them a cone that gives students a landmark to our reference desk for help if there is no one at their local desk
Daisyblue Hefferman: we would love to have a shared catalog, tho. but even all of our own resources are not yet catalogued.
Margaret Michalski: I would say that people get pulled away from the library because of the other campus building. Many people still have an attitude of "that is just the libary". At least from my experiences.
AJ Brooks: folks - please keep[ talking, I have to fix the chairs here - I'm gettign a script error - this will be a bit like a carnival ride, no charge tho
Lorelei Junot: some like to have their library on "campus" so it is part of the campus
Lorelei Junot: and easy for students to get to
Daisyblue Hefferman: We are also reaching many who traditionally never use a library in rl.
Birdie Newcomb: Can you share the cone here?
Murdock Steuart: you can also put a library kiosk presence in the other campus buildings
Daisyblue Hefferman: Our patron base is the world, not our local service areas.
Pathfinder Linden: hard sometimes to break out of the RL ways of seeing geography...
Lorelei Junot: birdie I do not have a cone
Peace Furst: I have to log off - thanks AJ & Lorelei
Lorelei Junot: Hypatia Dejavu who is head of reference developed it and has a copy if anyone would like one
Robin Mochi: And it's wonderful to help visitors from around the globe while serving on the Info Island reference desk, Daisyblue
Lorelei Junot: are there other services or collections you would like to see that we have not thought of?
Daisyblue Hefferman: Hypatia Dejavu handles our reference consortium. You can get a cone (portal) from her, by agreeing to volunteer a few hours a week at the ref desk.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Have you mentioned: do you have any official consortium partners for your operations or is it all volunteer?
Lorelei Junot: the majority is volunteer
Birdie Newcomb: How are materials brought up , as notecards? PDF?
Lorelei Junot: if we get grants, then we are able to pay the people who work on those grants
Olivia Hotshot silently chuckles at the seat shifting
Lorelei Junot: does that answer your question?
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Yes
Lorelei Junot: materials - can be on notecard
Lorelei Junot: a referral to a website
AJ Brooks: we have about 15 minutes left, so feel free to ask your questions. Also, the chat transcript will be available soon, and announced on the SLED list and in the SLER group. Also, don't forget to take our survey - last day for it is today
Lorelei Junot: a link to an audio file
Fred Brecher: I can imaDo you take people's FL positions for clout? Can library students get involved?
Lorelei Junot: Fred, how do you mean?
Daisyblue Hefferman: we have many many methods of presenting materials, Birdie.
Lorelei Junot: we encourage library students to get involved
Olivia Hotshot: SL librarians seem to work like bridge builders and not traditional librarians - the skill set is amazing
Daisyblue Hefferman: As many as sl methods allow
Lorelei Junot: San Jose state has a credit program here
Lorelei Junot: they work on many of our projects
Fred Brecher: Well, for a sense of their librarianship.
Lorelei Junot: they can also participate in any group that interests them
Eliasdehart Sixpence: It seems that other libraries might want to help and get the benefit of virtual reference services through your reference desk.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Is that a possibility?
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Instead of creating their own space
Daisyblue Hefferman: That is our aim with this consortial reference portal, Elias
Lorelei Junot: Fred, many of the librarians involved are mid level managers
Lorelei Junot: we have a few top library administrators
Lorelei Junot: but many are mid level management
Lorelei Junot: does that help
Birdie Newcomb: Good, Daisyblue, because SL isn't great at text materials
Lorelei Junot: Elisa we would love that
Marc Rexen: Does anyone run a walk-in reference service for their students that might be taking courses? I'm thinking of a Reference Librarian in RL with SL open at their desk.
Lorelei Junot: Ideally, we might have even just one huge library in sl
Lorelei Junot: all libraries working together to provide service
Fred Brecher: I mean relative to unique mission of SL and whether this would be something for early career too.
Lorelei Junot: but right now it seems everyone wants their own unique presence
Daisyblue Hefferman: One example, Birdie is an exhibit I have on Lincoln. Mid Victorian Innovations. one part is Otis' elevator.
Birdie Newcomb: Like the Smithsonian, or the Louvre...
Daisyblue Hefferman: Besides notecards, photos, weblinks, the real invention is there in full prim to ride on.
Lorelei Junot: Fred, I think this will increase as more library programs offer courses in sl
Lorelei Junot: san jose state was the first
Lorelei Junot: uiuc is offering non credit but not credit yet
Pathfinder Linden: you can ride an accurate model of an Otis elevator? cool!
Lorelei Junot: there are several others and the number is growing
AJ Brooks: for us it was that students were doing their class work here on our island so we wanted the library here as well - although we did think long and hard about it
Robin Mochi: Marc Rexen, I have office hours in my library office on a skydeck my university leases
Daisyblue Hefferman: We built the mechanism from the patent diagram, Pathfinder.
Marc Rexen: Do the students avail themselves of it?
Robin Mochi: for students and faculty with questions-mainly related to SL, Marc, yes they do
Marc Rexen: It's a logical thing for us to consider as we ramp up programs.
Daisyblue Hefferman: There's also a model there of the CSS Hunley submarine, and the Yale lock
Lorelei Junot: Fred, we are currently working with several library schools and we arep lanning a library job career fair in May
AJ Brooks: wow
AJ Brooks: very cool
Lorelei Junot: to promote our profession and give people a chance to see what libraries are doing in here and what is possible
Fred Brecher: great
Lorelei Junot: we also have an lis educator's group for anyone interested
AJ Brooks: lori - where do you see the future of library services in virtual worlds going?
AJ Brooks: (nothing like a puffball question at the end, right?)
Lorelei Junot: I think the use of virtual worlds by all ages is going to increase
Lorelei Junot: until we don't see them as virtual worlds - but as the new 3d web
Lorelei Junot: I think this is like when the internet came out
AJ Brooks: [here here]
Lorelei Junot: and everyone was scrambling to get web pages
Lorelei Junot: I think it is important for libraries to get involved in all new technologies
Lorelei Junot: to try - to investigate traditional services
Lorelei Junot: and also to try new services or new ways of delivering service and materials
Birdie Newcomb: what about the future of the book?
Gwenette Writer: Lorekei any promo material on May fair yet?
Birdie Newcomb: The internet breaks info into bits and short pieces
Lorelei Junot: or we will fall behind
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I agree Birdie
Lorelei Junot: Jock, I am not aware of anything with math[15:24]
Lorelei Junot: are you daisy or robin
Jock Bing: My search on the help site came up with nada.
Daisyblue Hefferman: not specifically, no, but there may be something in our Info island libraries.
Robin Mochi: not off hand
Daisyblue Hefferman: they've just been reorganized so not sure
ALALibraryVal Miles: Wasn't there a house near the Magicians Island?
Olivia Hotshot: This might be a good time for someone to jump in and try something with mathematics - something of a simulation
Lorelei Junot: Jock you might ask Rocky Vallejo as he is head of collections
Jock Bing: thanks
Marc Rexen: ...math fonts...ugh...blood on the pixel screen...:)
Jock Bing: it's great to be a pioneer[
AJ Brooks: lol
Lorelei Junot: here is my email address
Lorelei Junot: lbell927 Ðat- gmail Ðdot- com
Pathfinder Linden: heh
Daisyblue Hefferman: Leslie Braumont teaches math here for Boise State, I believe
Lorelei Junot: if you want a tour, please contact me or daisy
Daisyblue Hefferman: Beaumont
Lorelei Junot: Daisy is involved in many projects
Lorelei Junot: and does an outstanding job[
Lorelei Junot: also if you need a place to hold a class
Lorelei Junot: we have a number of places you could use
Lorelei Junot: from a small space to an open auditorium
Lorelei Junot: just check with me or abbey zenith
Lorelei Junot: and we can schedule it for you
Olivia Hotshot: wonderful information today
Marc Rexen: ...would be cool, though, to connect Mathematica to SL and get 3D Birdie Newcomb: Good to know.
Daisyblue Hefferman: Sonja Morgwain leads an excellent workshop for those interested in setting up a presence in sl. free.
Profesora Farigoule: oh Marc.. what a dream ~
ALALibraryVal Miles: I was thinking of the Tesseract Crooked House - http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2008/10/garrett-lisi-ex.html
Marc Rexen: ...then wander around the result and change variable...:)
Pathfinder Linden: Seifert Surface has done lots of cool math visualizations in SL
No room to sit here, try another spot.
AJ Brooks: abbey and other librarians will be part of the ISTE broadcast later tonight
AJ Brooks: beginning at 8pm
Gwenette Writer: Mahalos to you all - leave knowing more than when i arrive as always:)
AJ Brooks: before folks start to head out - lets hear it for Lori
Robin Mochi: wonderful, thanks so much Lori
ALALibraryVal Miles: \o/!
Birdie Newcomb: That's 5 SLT
Eliasdehart Sixpence: This has been a useful discussion.
Marc Rexen: ...another good one AJ...thanks Lori...:)
Pathfinder Linden: thank you Lori!
Olivia Hotshot claps for the wonderful presentation and awesome typing skills
Oronoque Westland: fantastic
Lorelei Junot: thank you :)
AJ Brooks: yes - sorry - 5pm SLT
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Thanks for the good roundtable topic.
Pathfinder Linden: outstanding
Daisyblue Hefferman: Lori is our fearless leader! She is tops.
Fred Brecher: Thank you, Lori!
Lorelei Junot: what a great group
Lorelei Junot: a fast hour :)
Biker Sopwith: Very useful Information! Thank you
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Thank you Lori
Jock Bing: thanks!
Birdie Newcomb: wonderful
Jerod Bagley: Thanks Lori
ALALibraryVal Miles: Wonderful, Lori :)!
Rachelle Munro: thanks!! It was great
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Lori
AJ Brooks: Lori - do you have a few minutes to hang out if folks have questions?
Lorelei Junot: sure
AJ Brooks: or are you off to another meeting
Teachergirl Razor: great job Lori thanks so much
Lorelei Junot: I need to go in a moment
Lorelei Junot: :)
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Lori!
AJ Brooks: Thansk folkd - great meeting - see you all next week
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our PBS reporter had to run--on deadline
AJ Brooks: and dont' forget to do our survey
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks AJ!
Lorelei Junot: thank you for having me aj
AJ Brooks: last change
Teachergirl Razor: and thanks to all the others dreaming out loud
Marty Snowpaw: thanks great presentation
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you other librarians here too.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but he said he'd be back with follow-ups
AJ Brooks: chance
Pathfinder Linden: "dreaming out loud" indeed :)
AJ Brooks: the white box on the table here
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you to our librarians!
Pathfinder Linden: take care folks. have a good nite
AJ Brooks: later path
Olivia Hotshot: bye everyone!
Margaret Michalski: bye!