Transcript of Feb. 3, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Come As Your Alt! Why do we have Alts in SL?
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream)
Iggy's Note: Pappy Enoch attended in my place, and he managed, thanks to a special "Hillbilly-to-City-Folk" translation device, to speak more or less like an academic.
Time constraints this week permited for very little proofing! I will pull out a few key points, a feature that a few readers have requested, but I need your help! Send what you think to be "signature" remarks and ideas to me by notecard or e-mail.
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[Large three-headed Dragon appears over Montclair State]
Pappy Enoch: uh oh
Luipher Fhang: Alt Enough would be a good name
Pappy Enoch: that am a smoker
Rixhawz Milestone: had to drag-out the dragon avi did ya?
Wealthy Mizser: well - this is wealthy, in his true form. the human form is just for the gallery
Kimbeau Surveryor: I have no alt! :D
Rixhawz Milestone: I'll join ya in a smoke Pappy
Luipher Fhang: haha
Pappy Enoch: sure!
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: i am one of three :)
Zotarah Shepherd coughs
JeanClaude Vollmar: I have a bunch of freebie avs, but haven't messed with them in a while
Pappy Enoch puts on patented Jethro Bodine hillbilly-to-city folk translater
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia waves "hi"
Rixhawz Milestone: ditto
Professor Noarlunga: [A black panther] scratches out a hello
Pappy Enoch: you folks in the stands...come on down!
Pappy Enoch: the table will make more chairs
Wealthy Mizser: have a seat at the table, we don't bite
Wealthy Mizser: well - sme of us might
Ramsay Falconer: I am a brand new alt, first time at one of these roudtables...
Pappy Enoch: welcome Ramsay
Professor Noarlunga: I smell dragon
Zotarah Shepherd: Me too
Rixhawz Milestone: Hey Wealthy, got a light?
Pappy Enoch: that cat skeers me :)
Wealthy Mizser: watch yourself, cat - you'd make a good snack
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: lol, sorry prof... chairs were rotating funny :)
Eleonora Porta: Greetings everyone
Pappy Enoch cams around :)
Zotarah Shepherd: As soon as you are rezzed come sit at the table
Wealthy Mizser: perhaps we'll have more people joining us, but lets go ahead and get started
Pappy Enoch: pretty gals sit next to Pappy!
Wealthy Mizser: trying to keep to my resolution to start on time
Wealthy Mizser: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
Wealthy Mizser: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
Wealthy Mizser: Our theme for this weeks meeting is Come As Your Alt! Why do we have Alts in SL?
Wealthy Mizser: A few announcements, before we get started.
Wealthy Mizser: In one of our past meeting we asked for ideas for upcoming meetings and speakers. We got some great suggestions and want to let you help determine which we feature.
Wealthy Mizser: Visit this short survey at http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pQAgf1j2t-hPOeNieXTD4eA
and share your thoughts with us.
Wealthy Mizser: We are fortunate to have a GREAT schedule over the next few weeks as well.. A copy of this schedule can be found in the notecard giver along the wall to my left (your right). It looks like a pole at the moment, but I promse to work on that.
Wealthy Mizser: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Wealthy Mizser: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
Wealthy Mizser: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
Wealthy Mizser: If you have not heard enough from me today and masochistically want to hear more, I'll be the featured speaker this evening for the ISTE Speaker Series.
Wealthy Mizser: well - me AJ that is
Wealthy Mizser: The title of my talk tonight is "Immersive Education: One University's Trek into the Virtual World with AJ Brooks (RL: AJ Kelton)" and you can find us at the ISTE Island Auditorium http://slurl.com/secondlife/ISTE%20Island/204/46/23
Wealthy Mizser: Since many have asked, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. Details can be found in the notegiver on the wall to my right (your left) and also the appropriate display located outside the amphitheater.
Wealthy Mizser: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 28 different educational community members.
Wealthy Mizser: Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy.
Zotarah Shepherd: As soon as you are rezzed and can see ok please come and SIT at the TABLE everyone.
Wealthy Mizser: Something new - we are now on FACEBOOK. If you are, too, please join out Facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
Wealthy Mizser: If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Wealthy Mizser: Lets start today as we always do, by introducing ourselves. Please type into local chat your name, where you work, and what you do. Also, for today, type in the name of the avatar you USUALLY come as - if you are here as your alt.
Wealthy Mizser: Also, for today, type in the name of the avatar you USUALLY come as - if you are here as your alt.
Wealthy Mizser: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan. Today I am here as my alt, Wealthy Mizer, who has both human and dragon form, but I am normally here as AJ Brooks.
Pappy Enoch: I are a-takin' notes for poor ol' Iggy--he's rite ill today :)
Olivia Hotshot chuckles
Pony Linden: I am Pathfinder Linden, I work at Linden Lab and focus on education/healthcare development. More info about me is at http://pathfinderlinden.com
Que Jinn: Kavon Zenovka - Kae from Front Range COmmunity College in Colordao
Rixhawz Milestone: Rick Shaw, Drector of College Technical Services, Ventura College (Philled Graves is my Alt)
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Academic Excellence Center. I do not know how to create an alt.
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm Jeff LeBlanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm their VP for IT.
Pappy Enoch gets out dull orange crayola and old racing forms
Pappy Enoch begins transcribing
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: My name is Michael Daniel, I built and run the honors college sim at IUP on whitmyre island... I amd a junior undergrad economics major
Margaret Wirefly: Normally Margaret Michalski, University of Illinois at Chicago. I work as a research information speciallist in addition to being a doctoral student.
Cary Solo: Celeste from Front Range Community Fort Collins, Colorado
Ramsay Falconer: I am an alt for Doomsday Sorbet, I am a web deeloper.faculty support/new media instructor jackand jill of all trades...
Professor Noarlunga: Scott Diener, Assoc Director IT Services, The University of Auckland in New Zealand. I have 5 alts...so just came as a pathner today under my normal av
Jarrad Voom: JarraD VOOM
Que Jinn: Yah - Celeste!
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life. My alts are all asleep now. lol
Luipher Fhang: can my chair move closer to Pony Linden? i would love to sit next to a Pony :P
Adra Letov: Diane Nahl, U of Hawaii
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: I am Maademoiselle Maskelyne, currently of Langedoc Couer, and you usually see me as la Profesora Farigoule, Dleaware Tech
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read, Head of Academic Quality and Standards, University of Leeds, UK
Pappy Enoch: I also work for University of Richmond with Ignatius Onomatopoeia--I'm the night watchman :)
Wealthy Mizser: lol
Seeker Esparza: I'm Seeker Esparz and I don't have an alt (sounds strangely like a 12 steps meeing)
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State Univ Chico - Tech Consultant - no alt today - i forget her name
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
Pony Linden: also, for the history of this "Pony Linden" account see: http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Pony_Linden I am just borrowing it. It hasn't been used by any Linden since 2007. :P
Academic Waffle: Mex Butler, aka Tuxedo Ninetails. Rural Learning Network project
Wealthy Mizser: anyone else?
Kimbeau Surveryor: Kim Spence-Jones. Technical Director of OpenHub, developing community solutions for residential developments
Luipher Fhang: Pony, do you have an extra bear for this account? :o)
Wealthy Mizser: who did we miss?
Davidovic Dean: David van Gent. IBM Learning Netherlands.
Pony Linden: lol. nope!
Luipher Fhang: awww
Wealthy Mizser: going once
Wealthy Mizser: twice
Wealthy Mizser: excellent!
Wealthy Mizser: welcome veryone - this is quite fun, I hope someone is taking pictures
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: that's really interesting about pony, pathfinder :)
Pappy Enoch is
Wealthy Mizser: if you do, please post them to the SLER group account page on Facebook
Wealthy Mizser: Thanks everyone. One last thing, its really hard for me to respond to IMs while running the meeting. If you IM me, I promise to get back to you before I sign off.
Ramsay Falconer: its a strange game of musical chairs we have going on here :-)
Seeker Esparza: since we're fessing up to what we do, I'm DebMcCormick, researcher rom Monash Uni in Australia
Pony Linden: Bubblesort, yes, we used to keep Pony Linden logged in all the time at Morris. Residents could ride him around a corrall.
TT Quandry: i am Teri Lind Master student in Nursing
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: good idea, ramsey... we need musical chairs music :)
Wealthy Mizser: ok - so I"m going to turn this over to Pappy, who promises to behave himself
Pappy Enoch: Olivia is a great photographer--Iggy will steal some of hers for the transcript :)
Wealthy Mizser: he knows I can call his sister Jezzabel in a heartbeat if I need to
Pappy Enoch: Hope he pays well
Olivia Hotshot: i am sure to grab a lot today =)
Pappy Enoch: thank you sir :)
Pappy Enoch: I began thinking about our ALTs some time ago
Pappy Enoch: Pappy is a trickster, designed to make fun of some of the pretentions of SL
Luipher Fhang: sorry, almost forgot: i am a german guy who is learning how to become a teacher for internet related communication in the field of free software
Pappy Enoch: and also just to have fun
Zotarah Shepherd: I am not sure the people in the stands can all hear Wealthy ok Please come sit at the table to be sure.
Pappy Enoch: when we had the big fuss on the SLED list
Pappy Enoch: I began wondering, why else do folks have ALTs?
Pappy Enoch: what are some educational reasons?
Marc Rexen: Role play is how we use them.
Olivia Hotshot: to have non-imterrupted work time
Pappy Enoch: I build for Iggy when he's got about 100 friends online
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: because you don't want your students to know where you go to have fun in SL :)
Zotarah Shepherd: My first alt was to have one to send to the teen grid.
Luipher Fhang: and i respect Pathfinder a lot because he learned how to handle people with Asperger
Marc Rexen: Student logs in as a "patient" and adopts the personna of their character.
Wealthy Mizser: This alt is purely personal, so as to not mix work and play time
Pappy Enoch: Iggy's students go on Pappy-hunts...so he made another alt
Wealthy Mizser: (get your minds out fo teh gutter)
Marc Rexen: ...does help.
Wealthy Mizser: but I do have a drone alt that I use for groups
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: privacy - i do not care to be bothered with rl issues while in role play
Ramsay Falconer: I was created because Doomsday crashed hopelessly at the Education Faire... I realised I needed an alt for purely technical reasons.
Luipher Fhang: what is roleplay? when teachers are testing poseballs?
Pony Linden just noticed that while he does not have a Pony Linden bear, he has a Pony Linden coffee cup that he will gladly give anyone who IMs him asking for one.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: bots are a good use for alts
Pappy Enoch: RP can be what I call interactive storytelling
Seeker Esparza: I have droe alts too that I use for testing but I dot realy think of them as 'alts' ie alternte 'me's'
Sojourner Clarity: Oronoque gives me all kinds of tests to do...she works me real hard to make sure that the things she builds can be used by her students
Pappy Enoch: we made up an entire hillbilly family
Pappy Enoch: and have adventures--all PG I'd add
Pappy Enoch: mama may come by tonight in fact
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: how quaint, pappy
Marc Rexen: My main got lost for a week early on...immediately obvious that if I would have been teaching, it would have been a problem.
Ramsay Falconer: I also took the opportunity to try exploring being in the opposite sex while I was at it...
Wealthy Mizser: testing things is a good use of an alt
Pappy Enoch: I stay in character with this ALT
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: moi aussi
Luipher Fhang: and where are all the blog postings that tell the people about those experiences?
Marc Rexen: ...spat showed up last week.
Pappy Enoch: good reason for an alt--I found out fast how women get treated in SL
Luipher Fhang: and they get treated how?
Seeker Esparza: I also use alts as avs for others ie students to use but I don't like anyone to control seekere except seeker
Marc Rexen: most of the females I know have male alts just for that reason.
Luipher Fhang: with the proper poses ... i hope?
Willow Shenlin: right now, I am experiencing a complete inability to go to places from the map while in my ALT. born 2 hours ago. so I'm here in my regular one
Pappy Enoch: @ Luipher--1) Hi. 2) Sex?
Luipher Fhang: ... while they earn Dollars at Escorts Island?
Olivia Hotshot: ick
Pappy Enoch: LOL that type of treatment can happen anywhere
Wealthy Mizser: pappy, I think you were asking what sex is, and not offerin Luipher sex, right?
Luipher Fhang: now the chicken and egg problem: were men pigs before or after Escorts Island was build?
Sojourner Clarity: when my brother, Facilitate, goes shopping for women's clothes he gets lots of stares
Pappy Enoch: it's one reason Iggy made his students switch genders
Zotarah Shepherd: My second alt was for a role-play part in a Tolkien sim, but I no longer have time for much RP.
Wealthy Mizser: is there anyone here who is NOT familiar with what role play is in SL?
Eleonora Porta: To play a thriller(crime novel) like RP I'll have an alt perhaps; some characters
Pappy Enoch: Iggy studies antbellum Southern Humor and trickster figures...so he made one
Luipher Fhang: haha
Wealthy Mizser: so - everyone gets role play, right?
Pappy Enoch: we play RL tricks on SL publications--we got Pappy nominated in Iris Ophelia's "30 hottest male avi" contest
Marc Rexen: RP is interesting to explore...can be very challenging...and there are some amazing good writers out there.
Zotarah Shepherd: Alts are good for joining more groups and for machinima when you need more people for the roles too.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I had a security guard at my andbox use an alt to kind of spy on people and ban them... I got rid of him when I caught him because he was being too agressive with the builders in the sandbox, not neccessarily because of his alt... alts create paranoia, which isn't always a bad thing when it comes to security
Professor Noarlunga: I have 5 alts that I "loan" to faculty who are new to SL and just want to have a quick play in our labs...
Pappy Enoch: so it's a form of RP -- lots of folks wrote to Iris demanding I be nominated
Tari Tamura: Yes, not enough groups
Geo Meek gave you Hobo Moonshine Still scripted (BOXED).
Gwenette Writer: Yes I have about umm 5 haha but i gave up following all the email from the groups
Pappy Enoch: HOO WHEE GEO! Thanks for that Shine Still :)
Gwenette Writer: handy when i need to catch up like current popular musicians or such
Geo Meek: :-)
Luipher Fhang: the RL trick on SL publication is ... (and i am serious) that this nice Social Simulation Lab can help people with schizophrenia to understand every role they are supposed to play ... in every possible and impossible way
Zotarah Shepherd: There are many types of RP sims in SL. All of the ones I have been to are either elven fantasy or Victorian - like Caladon.
Wealthy Mizser: oh - there are others
Luipher Fhang: ... given the right Linden is working on the Abuse Reports
Wealthy Mizser: there are several harry potter
Wealthy Mizser: star trek
Marc Rexen: Avilon, Toxian, Crack Den.
Wealthy Mizser: gorean
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I think of rp as collaborative literature... impromptu poetry, if you find the right people to rp with
Pony Linden agrees with Bubblesort
Pony Linden loves the term "collaborative literature"
Pappy Enoch: yes--that's perfect
Tari Tamura: It's refreshing to put on another avatar
Pappy Enoch: we want to develop interactive lit simulations
Luipher Fhang: the term 'the work talks to you' gets an entirely new meaning
Marc Rexen: ...can be very challenging.
Pappy Enoch: with bots and avatars for students
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: oui, Languedoc Coeur and the other Coeurs are another RP
Pappy Enoch: to meet
Wealthy Mizser: how could a bot be an avatar?
Pappy Enoch: not "be"
Wealthy Mizser: I thought by definition, they are mutually exclsuvie
Pappy Enoch: but bots AND avatars who'd be part of the simulation
Kay Tairov: woot. i'm not too late for the Round Table, am I ?
Davidovic Dean: With all these alts & bots around you might wonder how many real persons are behind the avatar numbers published
Pappy Enoch: imagine a living short story
Pony Linden: Daden gave some very great presentations on the state of bot technology in SL. you can find a link to the slides on https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Education_Support_Faire
Wealthy Mizser: but bots don't count as those numbers
Wealthy Mizser: bot are not accounts
Seeker Esparza: Can I ask everyone - when you 'inhabit' an alt dos it still feel like you? In fact, would you say your 'main' ve feels like 'you'?
Ramsay Falconer: a bot is just an avatar manipulated by software
Wealthy Mizser: they are bots
Luipher Fhang: Pony, so you finally reveal how those flirty chicks get onto my friend list?
Leondra Larsson: interesting..... my alt... I felt was a lonely existence... having to rebuild freinds, etc.
Gwenette Writer: saw some great software online http://www.storytron.com/faq.php
Pappy Enoch: we're touring Daden Prime soon to look at their Robotars
Wealthy Mizser: i am told by someone who knows me in the non-virtual world that when I am wealthy and when I am AJ I act differently
Leondra Larsson: PPl accept that my race and appearance may change
Kimbeau Surveryor: my main is definitely close to the real me. And I don't ever feel the need for an alt
Pappy Enoch: thanks--I'll make those links live when the transcript is published
Tari Tamura: If I'm in a crowd it doens't make much difference, except with the reactions from others
Davidovic Dean: ok but sometimes Ii am online with 2 or 3 alts
Elani Matova: Could someone explain bots and alts?
Kay Tairov: true, Wealthy!
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: when I'm on an alt it's just as much me as I normally am, I'm just usually telling a story when I'm on an alt... I use them for rp
Pappy Enoch: bots come in many forms
Marc Rexen: ...takes a few days to get a "fit," but once it does, then it's very easy to slip into the personna.
Wealthy Mizser: alt just means a second avatar
Wealthy Mizser: meaning an ALTERNATE avatar
Kay Tairov: was i supposed to come as the other me?
Olivia Hotshot: or third or fourth
Ducky Wirefly: I feel more like myself in my alt because my main is just for work
Gwenette Writer: well I made Ken my alt beside me to admin the university I developed and now he will be not me haha well sometimes me and we are always on the same timerumor has it we date:0
Pappy Enoch: the Daden robotars act like avatars
Luipher Fhang mentions Touring Tests for reality updates
Wealthy Mizser: a bot is a representation that does not have a human behind it
Willow Shenlin: technical question about alts, and bots: if you want ALTs in the same sim at the same time, you must have oen computer for each ALT, correct? For bots, they just exits independent from your account.
Kay Tairov: I agree, Ducky
Pappy Enoch: look like them, have an AI chat engine
Tari Tamura: this isn't your alt?
Academic Waffle: DEb, my alts help me be all the different parts of me.
Ramsay Falconer: Yes Seeker, even thoug I've only been in this avi a week, I am developing a different personality than my main. It's actually rather easy to bounce between the two and think of them as seperate entities
Zotarah Shepherd: My alts are all a bit different than mew so I can explore different facets of myself. But I don't have time to run them very much since I am working more on my AM project.
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: I am an actor - so ..... I try to be well in character :)
Pappy Enoch: @Willow--you can run multiple instances of SL if you have a fast machine
Academic Waffle: My main av feels like a large part of me, but not all.
Leondra Larsson: we all wear different "caps" so I feel the same here
Gwenette Writer: you can run two sl clients at once on one machine - stressful for system
Pappy Enoch: and lots of RAM and a good graphics card
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: no, you can run multiple avatars concurrently... I do it all the time
Wealthy Mizser nods
Seeker Esparza: WEalthy, I think f alts as completely diff logins - what do othere sthink? Same login but diff av is a different thing again
Elani Matova: So, are bots like the birds that fly around?
Academic Waffle: THis av helps me understand more about what it's like being male
Wealthy Mizser: its all about the account name
Seeker Esparza: sorry for bad typos still waking up
Zotarah Shepherd: I log on to the teen grid and here for Science Friday so I can transfer questions if the teens have any.
Seeker Esparza: 9am in Australia lol
Wealthy Mizser: if I am AJ Brooks, but in a different avatar skin, that is not an alt
Sojourner Clarity: Facilitate tries to be "masculine" so as not to arouse suspicion, but sometimes he wears a female skin and it's hard to stay in character...is he male or female?Facilitate main role is to role play so he has many skins (human and otherwise)
Pappy Enoch: @Academic--so how is it different ?
Tari Tamura: Is it possible to run two alts at once?
Zotarah Shepherd: I also like to hear the backchat.
Luipher Fhang: some bots are not bots. some bots are a group of avatars that are controlled by 1 human with a custom client interface
Kennesaw Landar: I love the offers I get from the ahh professional ladies:)
Davidovic Dean: "C:\Program Files\SecondLife\SecondLife.exe" -multiple This gives you the possibility to run more avatars with one machine
Wealthy Mizser: a bot is a bot
Kennesaw Landar: especially when I was first born:)
Willow Shenlin: so , 2 different windows if 2 avatars on the same computer? wow. I've got to get myself soemthing else than a tablet!
Kay Tairov: hmmm.... I consider this my alt, really. Kay is for work
Leondra Larsson: I think that is deceptive... IMHO
Wealthy Mizser: if a group of people are running an avatar, then that is an avatar
Kay Tairov: And Arys is more myself
Davidovic Dean: of course it slows down performance
Zotarah Shepherd: Torley's Tutorial made setting up my computer to run more than one account easy.
Luipher Fhang: how can 1 avatar be multiple avatars? :o)
Wealthy Mizser: Kay - isn't that funny - how people who know wealthy asked about my "alt"
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: willow: make sure you are running sl as administrator ro it won't work
Luipher Fhang: dont play with a schizo like that
Willow Shenlin: @Zotarah do you have that url?
Kay Tairov: lol
Tari Tamura: Sometimes I'ts just enough to change active group title
Kay Tairov: Wealthy is hardly a state secret
Zotarah Shepherd: You can have up to 5 accounts I think.
Wealthy Mizser: lol - thats true, but how many peopels ee me in my original state, like this
Marc Rexen: Why decpetive Leondra?
Seeker Esparza: I once was testing permissions and I started an alt on my laptop and I (seeker) was on the main computer and I was quite freaked out by seeing two 'me's on thescreen, even though seeker is closed to 'me'
Wealthy Mizser: I think the only time is when we did the dragon competition
Leondra Larsson: u can have as many email accounts u want
Gwenette Writer: you cna have one free after that you are supposed to pay for additional accounts at premium rate
Leondra Larsson: gmail unlimited
Kay Tairov: that's my question. how free is everyone about their alt names? do you have much cross over on your friends lists?
Pappy Enoch: it's funny--I went to Hobo Island, of all places...and got accused of mocking the poor with this avi
Zotarah Shepherd: I will look for it Willow
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: our third alt is our "soulkeeper" - she is most "real"
Tari Tamura: I encountered a bot named Linden -- but can an avatar take that name?
Wealthy Mizser: i am free with this alt
Wealthy Mizser: I have other alts
Marc Rexen: None...alts are separate.
Wealthy Mizser: and I am not so free with those
Pappy Enoch: I have a lot of cross over--most of my collaborators know who I am
Gwenette Writer: i have alot of crossover with Ken and anyone whoc ares to can know "we" are "me" haha
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: sorry to say - the teaching alt is the most burdened by reality
Luipher Fhang: so once your students reveal that a mental problem makes them vulnerable to tricks and cheats ... the chance is very high that a griefer is testing his botnet on them
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: here's a web page about a bot program you can buy, btw... just came up on a quick google search... I don't endorse it or know it very well: http://dedricmauriac.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/jva-second-life-bot-now-has-stats/
Willow Shenlin: Do you run the same client for each av. or can you have one client for one and le'ts say the early release for another?
Kay Tairov: My alt looks almost exactly like this me, as Wealthy can attest to. lol
Luipher Fhang: a good teacher knows about that
Kay Tairov: but it's still a different me
Zotarah Shepherd: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/01/10/tip-of-the-week-17-how-to-run-multiple-viewers-at-the-same-time/
Wealthy Mizser: lol
Luipher Fhang: because your students trust you
Leondra Larsson: THERE is the research question... I want to see answered....... ppls perception of self in their AVAS
Leal Choche: Use multiple viewers on the same
Leal Choche: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Running_Multiple_Viewers
Pappy Enoch: @Willow--I run two different clients when I can manage to get them working on one machine
Zotarah Shepherd: There it is Willow
Grinn Pidgeon: is there information somewhere that expains how to create an alt?
Wealthy Mizser: Grinn - its the same process as when you created your first avatar
Davidovic Dean: each client runs in a separate window
Luipher Fhang: most of your students believe ... that you are able to protect them
Luipher Fhang: which is an illusion
Gwenette Writer: willow you can use different versions I do on seperate machines not sure if on smae it might unduly strain suytem
Wealthy Mizser: an alt is simply a second account
Seeker Esparza: Pappy, does hat fel weir - to see two of ;you'?
Zotarah Shepherd: Just like the first one you did
Seeker Esparza: *feel weird*
Davidovic Dean: so with the -multiple added you start each time a new SL client
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: leo: I've noticed the first thing people wnat to do when they arrive here is look good... they spend quite a lot of time working on it... not sure if that helps
Academic Waffle: @Willow - just go to your shortcut to SL, right-click and choose Properties, then add the text -multiple to the end of the data in the Target field
Kay Tairov: ack... i couldn't log two at once, i think
Grinn Pidgeon: yeah, I don't get that "create second account" thing
Kay Tairov: too confusing in the brain
Kimbeau Surveryor: I wore a black skin for a while. That certainly affected the way people interacted with me
Wealthy Mizser: i've been on two at once, at a party no less
Wealthy Mizser: it was all well and good until I started crossing answers
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: make sure you are running as administrator
Wealthy Mizser: LOL
Pappy Enoch: Seeker, I believe that all personality is constructed
Willow Shenlin: @Zotarah Thanks
Kay Tairov: Kim? you found it different to be a different color?
Marc Rexen: Yeah, I was black for a while...it was interesting.
Pappy Enoch: my students have no problem with 2 of me
Kay Tairov: do you mean black or african american?
Leal Choche: Just set your parameters Graphics real low unless you have a good duo or a quad pc
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I change race all the time without changing avs... it's fun
Kay Tairov: well... african
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: agrees w / Pappy on personality
Ramsay Falconer: I did it (created an alt account) as a backup, to test permissions, to explore...
Margaret Wirefly: Being an Alt is different. In my main I was overweight once and someone asked if I am overweight in RL.
Kimbeau Surveryor: What we Europeans call black, i.e. Negroid genotype. :-)
Kay Tairov: k.
Pappy Enoch: AJ and Iggy banned one of my ALTs here to test the system
Academic Waffle: Seeker, is your other alt at the other meeting?
Wealthy Mizser: how many people create an alt so they can do things with their alt they don't want to do with their "professinal" avatar?
Kay Tairov: I am always Blue as is my alt (mostly), but I generally get positive reactions to being different
Marc Rexen: Yes.
Kay Tairov raises hand!
Luipher Fhang: the point of a social simulation is that people will try to get what they are curious about. and that has to do with people. so you need to teach them about people in the first point and _then_ about how to look sexy
Academic Waffle: Sure AJ
Wealthy Mizser: STRAW POLL
Kay Tairov: not even anything particularly risque
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: actually - the teaching Alt was created second...
Gwenette Writer: look sexy??
Wealthy Mizser: How many people here were witness to the SLED list discussion Iggy started about alts and groups?
Wealthy Mizser: ME
Pappy Enoch grins like a fool
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: to deal with RL completley transparently
Luipher Fhang: for a teacher who is married since 30 years there is not much danger. that is correct. you can dream about sheep all you like
Geoff Lumley was
Marc Rexen: Yes.
Olivia Hotshot: I think the whole idea of a virtual identity is fascinating - how the original html chats or irc chats had no "person" attached - these actually do - and the choices are intriuging
Luipher Fhang: but students are naive
Ramsay Falconer: Wealthy, good question. Ramsay may become the serious academic... but, I am pretty open about my SL adventures
Luipher Fhang: and naive plus curious means .... what?
Pappy Enoch: @ Luipher---not mine
Zotarah Shepherd: yep
Pappy Enoch: they completely understand how to deal with stalkers and creeps
Wealthy Mizser: perhaps your students are naive, I"m not sure mine are - they PLAY niave to get away with things...
Pappy Enoch: they get lectured on it from birth
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: our other alt ... she has gone off and created her whole SL life..
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: independent of RL
Ramsay Falconer: Sl is, by its nature, an anonymous platform, unlike socia media such as facebok, myspace.
Luipher Fhang: so i would _love_ to see 1 single concept that teaches ... teachers ... how they .... teach people ... about the social violence, the money and sex hunters
Pappy Enoch: @ Ramsay, I disagree to a degree
Luipher Fhang: the abuse reports are no such system
Luipher Fhang: without that i cant become a teacher
Wealthy Mizser: gosh, I hope someone is grabbing pictures, there are some WONDERFUL avatars here today
Pappy Enoch: Like Meadows claims in I, Avatar--Facebook profiles for students are so groomed and buffed that they are a form of avatar
Ramsay Falconer: luipher, here at SL or in general? pappy why? It is social but not connect to the RL you, unless you wish it to be...
Kay Tairov: ptttthhhhhhbbbbbbttttt
Marc Rexen: Wrong Pappy...stalkers are hard to deal with by even experienced SL'ers.
Gwenette Writer: I have niver found one single concept to teach anything thta specific you ahve to look at your studnets and who they are to determine how to teach
Olivia Hotshot: i think every instructor is smart to hold a "how to be street smart in sl" conversation prior to doing work in-world, just to cover things
Luipher Fhang: just stop being a teacher for 3 hours and try to play a naive and curious person and visit 3 of my landmarks. then write an honest report
Willow Shenlin: btw, anyway to exchange stuff from oen avatar invenetory to the new one?
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: shudders at the thought of an SL stalker
Pappy Enoch: never had too much trouble in SL--three semesters with SL
Pappy Enoch: one stalker who was dealt with by an abuse report
Marc Rexen: ...you are lucky Pappy...knock wood.
Kay Tairov: do you all have alts with their own existance outside of academia? just to enjoy the main grid and hang with friends and be a resi?
Pappy Enoch: students know better than to reveal personal data
Luipher Fhang: abuse reports dont work against social violence at all. just the OPPOSITE
Marc Rexen: No they do not Pappy.
Pappy Enoch: okay--tell me
Marc Rexen: ...and trolls are very, very, good.
Wealthy Mizser: stalker? how do you mean stalker in SL?
Willow Shenlin: @kay no. I don't fidn much interest in goign in SL just for socailizing
Pappy Enoch: this is important
Olivia Hotshot: i have this one - who has fun and doesn't separate fun and work . work IS fun - esp when you can do it in sl
Marc Rexen: A stalker is someone who has fixated on another.
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: Kay , yes - she is employed in SL and is building a SL careeer
Pappy Enoch: you mean the stalker who crosses from SL spamming to RL contact?
Wealthy Mizser: so has does banning them and muting them not stop them?
Marc Rexen: ...they often go to extreme lengths to "stalk and bother," their intended (read victim).
Luipher Fhang: for the exact same behaviour that i am showing here ... today ... i would be attacked by a group of jerks ... on Help Island Public ... on land owned by New Citizens Inc. and other 'help for newbie' places
Olivia Hotshot: muting is a fairlt effective tool
Willow Shenlin: oh, yeah. i've heard about that woman who staked a guy in RL after 'divorcing' her in SL
Luipher Fhang: i can provide logs if needed
Ramsay Falconer: Many of the students I work with do NOT have the good sense to protect their online privacy
Marc Rexen: ...or blackmails Pappy.
Luipher Fhang: the result was account suspension and forced id checks
Luipher Fhang: you want your students to go through that?
Kay Tairov: hmmm... a sad black mark on the socail aspect of the platform
Wealthy Mizser: lets hear from some of the folks who have NOT talked -
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: agrees with Ramsay - about students lack of common senese
Luipher Fhang: do you have enough time to talk with your students about such experiences?
Wealthy Mizser: a handful of us big mouths have been runnin ghte roost - how about you others
Wealthy Mizser: why did you come today?
Margaret Wirefly: My main problem with alt is inventory and landmarks.
Luipher Fhang: i find answerrs
Luipher Fhang: i expect to find answers to 1 single question
Olivia Hotshot: then maybe it is wise to have an open conversation with students and come up with a code of conduct that they devise themselves
Margaret Wirefly: Not everything is transferable so you have to search for it again.
Willow Shenlin: @luipher sometimes. need most of hte time to convince admins to let me in SL with students
Luipher Fhang: how can you be a teacher who is responsible for young people .... and let those people walk into situations with social violence
Willow Shenlin: @ margaret, what can you transfer from one to another?
Zotarah Shepherd: All students and teachers should have basic info about how to handle griefers.
Pappy Enoch: agreed
Kay Tairov: :-(
Luipher Fhang: griefers is not the danger
Kimbeau Surveryor: is social violence in SL any worse than e.g. Facebook?
Luipher Fhang: social violence is
Kay Tairov: lol. or RL?
Margaret Wirefly: @ Willow, I use my main and alt for one project and it get difficult after a while.
Kimbeau Surveryor: lol
Wealthy Mizser really hates the term "real life"
Wealthy Mizser thinks there is nothing unreal about this
Kay Tairov: ditto, but it's short hand
Pappy Enoch: emotional distress is emotional distress
Marc Rexen: griefers are rarely a real problem...easy to ban, it's "others," that are much more problematic for students.
Kimbeau Surveryor hates real life too. ;-)
Willow Shenlin: @ margaret, ok, so you've got them both on at the smae time for the transfer, then? right?
Wealthy Mizser: you can tell who the Twitterers are
Wealthy Mizser: @willow
Wealthy Mizser: :-)
Kay Tairov: yes
Ramsay Falconer: Not to dominate the convo, but another thing I did when creating me, was to be born at ISTE, and then TP'd to Caledon and completed the entire orientation tutorial. Not one greifer or unpleasent experience the whole day...
Zotarah Shepherd: A griefer is anyone who attempts to spoil your enjoyment of SL
Ramsay Falconer: So, sending new students and educators interested in SL through one of those alternate Orientations can be a great help.
Kay Tairov: how common are they in everyday second life?
Margaret Wirefly: @ willow , depending on what I am working on I may have to be logged on as my alt and realize that I need to fix something that only my main has access.
Academic Waffle: I wonder if griefers are really like weeds - just an avatar groowing in a place you don't want it.
Wealthy Mizser: I find NMC is better for students where as ISTE is better for educators
Marc Rexen: Yes...I highly recommend skipping the Linden Welcome Areas.
Willow Shenlin: @wealthy .....:-)
Pappy Enoch: my next class will do that--the welcome areas are so sketchy
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: greifing seems to be rare... it's the complex metaphysical interpersonal relationships that sometimes arise from the use of alts that seem to cause a lot of drama and that seems to be the root cause of most greifing, imho... exceptions like the goons and PN sometimes exist but they have their dramatics as well
Shane Serrao: Orientations outside of public areas are very, very helpful for a student.
Zotarah Shepherd: ISTE is working on a orientation for new teachers as well as the workshops already in place.
Pappy Enoch cheers
Marc Rexen: Yes, the first day is so important to overall acceptance.
Wealthy Mizser: can we tie this griefing conversation back to Alt - our topic for tonight?
Kay Tairov: I'm almost 2 years old now, have a very big social circle with both accounts manage to get work done and loads of art in my alt and run a gallery and a shop and really haven't had much of a problem with griefers since i left the sandboxes
Gwenette Writer: Highly recommend Virtual Ability Island Orientation beautiful complete and very quiet
Zotarah Shepherd: I was 2 years last friday
Kay Tairov: \o/!
Marc Rexen: much griefing is done via alts...stalkings too...the free accounts exacerbate both uses.
Wealthy Mizser: so - one word answer - why do you have an alt? ONE WORD
Willow Shenlin: is impressed by Bubblesort's typing skills in chat!
Kay Tairov: happy belated, Zot
Pappy Enoch: FUN
Adra Letov: Virtual Ability is one of the Communities new residents can join and land at on first login
Ducky Wirefly: fun
Wealthy Mizser: Convenience
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you Kay
Leal Choche: testing
Marc Rexen: ...best orientation too...at Virtual.
Sojourner Clarity: Yes, Virtual Ability Island has a fantastic orientation...I recommend it above all others
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: freedom
Adra Letov: So they go directly to the Orientation area at VAI
Zotarah Shepherd: Expansion
Academic Waffle: Exploration
Ramsay Falconer: backup
Kay Tairov: i find it odd that most of my non-edu/library world friends have a bunhc of alts
Wealthy Mizser: awesome list fo far - keep ti going
Adra Letov: But I saw some new students did not know what the Community thing was so skipped it
Wealthy Mizser: ONE WORD _ why do you have an alt?
Pappy Enoch: backup for builders is a good reason to have an ALT!
Kay Tairov: although they are all very free with telling most of the circle about them
Willow Shenlin: @Wealthy, to feel the pain as a newbie again.<grin>
Ducky Wirefly: privacy
Adra Letov: testing
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I did a presentation for about 200 students once... 15 mins into it half of them were already installing it... I was showing them the room they were in as replicated in sl... eyeballs popped, lol... but they all lost interest after about 2 weeks or so... I got them all past orientation island but they weren't interested in hanging out here... still not sure what happened... granted, they all lost interest around finals, but they never came back
Pappy Enoch: drinking
Kay Tairov: Personal-vs-Work
Kimbeau Surveryor: testing
Margaret Wirefly: I use it for groups and testing.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I use alts for rp and to get around the 25 group limit
Willow Shenlin: ah...one word: curiosity
Olivia Hotshot: they want their own space
Olivia Hotshot: not ours
Sojourner Clarity: testing
Pappy Enoch: camping
Marc Rexen: Exploring...which includes Education...:)
Olivia Hotshot: same way they hate Facebook integration into education circles
Zotarah Shepherd: I am glad LL only allows 5 accounts since most of the griefers I experienced had just been born and were "throw-away" accounts. Now it is more limited. Not easy to get more places to create accounts for them.
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I don't think sl is really all education, though... students could find lots of non-academic trouble to get into
Seeker Esparza: Does anyone want to fess up to using an alt to do things they wouldn't do using their 'main' av?
Marc Rexen: ...I know griefers who go through several accounts/day.
Kay Tairov: personally i have a lot of cross over from Arys' friends into Kay's list, but not so much the other way around
Ramsay Falconer: I think there are users out there with MANY more than 5 accounts...
Wealthy Mizser: well - I'll fess up to that, but not for the reason the question might imply
Kay Tairov: my alt IS my main avi
Kay Tairov: this is my work alias
Pappy Enoch proposes to nearly every woman he meets in SL...they all turn Pappy down :)
Wealthy Mizser: I cant' run a business with my educational avatar
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: seeker: I'll admit to it... I"m not telling you who my alt is though :)
Wealthy Mizser: I can with this one
Seeker Esparza: if it's your main one then how can it be an alt
Kay Tairov: lol. well, this is my alt
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: moi aussi - our main AV is not our teaching persona
Marc Rexen: How do folks define Main?
Kay Tairov: I didn't think to log as her
Sojourner Clarity: do you feel "freer" in your ALT...for example "Sojourner looks at Wealthy and imagines beautiful three headed baby sea dragons." Oronoque would never let her mind stray.
Wealthy Mizser: i love being wealthy in this form
Pappy Enoch: @Soujourner--Iggy cannot go pick on griefers. Pappy does
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: main = the AV most wish to spend tim ein SL with
Gwenette Writer: I feel freer in the sense that noone will be IMing me with problems or questions:)
Kay Tairov: I define "Main" as "me", so yes, it's more free
Pappy Enoch: I sat on one at HippiePay Island once--pinned him to a wall so they could ban him
Margaret Wirefly: main= project manager
Wealthy Mizser: and only a handful of people have seen me like this and lived to tell about it - so now I'm going to have to eat all of you
Kay Tairov: Kay has obligations to the ALA and such
Olivia Hotshot: i find it interesting how so many people here have definite dividers between main and alt
Gwenette Writer: imm they are all "me" in my sense s
Willow Shenlin: so, the main reason why people have alt is to experience another personae?
Adra Letov: work and play
Pappy Enoch: Pappy is my crazier side--but still me.
Ramsay Falconer: oof...dragon breath.. lol...
Kay Tairov: lol. Gwen I have a friend like that who have 8 or 9 alts
Marc Rexen: Protect the school from miscreants.
Ducky Wirefly: kay, why do they have so many?
Wealthy Mizser's breath smells like Furry
Wealthy Mizser: Furries are yummy
Kennesaw Landar: so the fun part is the tech info you get from runing two systems . . such as Gwenette is crashed but still here to us:)
Margaret Wirefly: my alt is the more casual side of me.
Kay Tairov: hmm... he builds and scripts but is also incredibly social, so he has some alts just to work quietly.
Kennesaw Landar: yes left alone time to work is very helpful
Kay Tairov: And some just to explore some parts of SL with just his closer circle of friends without the headache of his other responsibilities
Kimbeau Surveryor: I have enough trouble remebering who I am with just this one AV. Dunno how you cope with eight or nine!
Kay Tairov: lol. and some because he thougth of a good name
Willow Shenlin: :)
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: the teaching alt is the one burdened with .... having to encoutner RL problems
Seeker Esparza: I was looking at the SL Pofilessite oce and a person on there aid hehad 20 avs!
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I once used an alt during a discussion event on virtual ethics... we brought up the essay "a rape in cyberspace"... I used an object talker to mug my alt to illustrate what the essay described happened back in 93 on lamdamoo
Pappy Enoch: Julian Dibbel
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: yeah... great essay
Seeker Esparza: *profile site*
Zotarah Shepherd: I tried to create another alt and got the message that I reached my limit. Not sure how to get around that. I think that LL recently tightened and enforced that rule.
Seeker Esparza: orry I think my keybozard is wearing out (or I am)
Wealthy Mizser: its teh keyboard :-)
Willow Shenlin: @Zotarah, how did you get around the problem of your new map not findign anything?
Pappy Enoch: The problem in "A Rape in Cyberspace" was that Mr. Bungle in the MOO got wizard's powers over other avatars
Seeker Esparza: Yes that is annying Zo, I ws doing a worshop rcently and we had to scramble around to scranble around for alts
Kay Tairov: for me the discussion of alts and the deliniation of the edu/library world in SL and the rest fo the grid is interesting
Sojourner Clarity: Sojourner suspects Pappy packs double-ought to deal with those griefers
Zotarah Shepherd: Not sure what you mean Willow
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: I don't think that was the issue, pappy... the "victim" saw it happening... I think it was the BBS version of an object talker
Pappy Enoch: @Soujourner--most jerks cannot stand sarcasm--I hit them with that :)
Pappy Enoch: @Bubblesort--thanks...been a while since I read it
Kimbeau Surveryor: I disagree. Most jerks are most diconcerted by no reaction at all.
Kennesaw Landar: I remind them they have alot of creative ability: they have nothing better to create than trouble??
Willow Shenlin: mmm.....then, that must be a problem with my client. I am having issues activating my map when i type the coordinates in. does not find anything
Pappy Enoch: but either way, it illustrates the problem of anonymity
Wealthy Mizser: Is there anyone here today who had a questions and would like to get it addressed - ESPECIALLY someone who has not spoken up yet?
Willow Shenlin: when using my new ALT
Marc Rexen: ..no response does work with troll Kimbeau...hard to do sometimes...:)
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: annonymity can be a great asset as well... people feel more free to express when they are annonymous... that is why we have annonymous voting in the united states
Olivia Hotshot: I wonder how differently people would behave if alts were not an option
Pappy Enoch: GOOD Q Olivia!
Kay Tairov: lol. i would refuse to manage the SL presence for my office, I think
Wealthy Mizser: what exactly is Triskaidekaphobia?
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: fear of the... number after 12 :)
Kennesaw Landar: wioud reduce flexibility extensively
Seeker Esparza: fear ofnumber 13
Wealthy Mizser: NO WAY!
Kennesaw Landar: is MUCH faster to build with two avas at the same time
Pony Linden: i think that's the longest last name we've ever put out there
Seeker Esparza: there I said it lol
Marc Rexen: ...like I did for the first year and a half, then the miscreant would have forced me to quit SL.
Zotarah Shepherd: Some griefers - broadest sense of the term - are simply uninformed. Once you tell them most go away or even apologize. That has also happened on the teen grid.
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: ooooo.... but I *love* the number that comes after 12
Olivia Hotshot: ty Pappy *shines Gold Star*
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia cowers in a fetal position in the corner "not THAT number!" LOL
Wealthy Mizser: a morbid fear of the number 13
Wealthy Mizser: its like saying Nyah
Pappy Enoch: I'd probably not have as many friends in SL without the ALT
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: yeah, a lot of greifers are just people who come on here and think it's supposed to be WOW or something
Wealthy Mizser: or is it spelled Nyeh
Sojourner Clarity: a baker's dozen perhaps could be the ALT for 13
Pappy Enoch: b/c Pappy gets a lot of play in machinima, RP
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: i'd probablu not stay in SL much at all , even for teaching without freedome of Alt existence
Olivia Hotshot: next week - check out where Bubblesort is on Friday
Wealthy Mizser: pray tell!
Kay Tairov: lol
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: lol
Olivia Hotshot: heh
Willow Shenlin: ok. off to try to come back as my alt. thansk for all the good tips
Wealthy Mizser: ohhh - LOL
Wealthy Mizser: and next month, too
Olivia Hotshot: oops it is THIS week!
Kay Tairov: \o/!
Wealthy Mizser: lol
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: oui
Pappy Enoch: maybe we have forgotten one thing
Olivia Hotshot: yes?
Pappy Enoch: building in SL is so important
Wealthy Mizser: ok - so as we close out this weeks meeting, summarize your thoughts about alts in one sentence
Pappy Enoch: and the avatar is, to me, a blank canvas
Pappy Enoch: I'd build 1000 if I could
Pappy Enoch: just because
Marc Rexen: Needed.
Kay Tairov: alts make it possible to work in SL, for me.
Kimbeau Surveryor: cheating
Ramsay Falconer: Pappy, great thoughts and so right.
Olivia Hotshot: alts cost too much
Pappy Enoch: that's my sentence, Mr. Fire-Breathing Dragon :)
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: existence in any life is a creative act - alts expand the palette of that creativity
Gwenette Writer: yes to Pappy:) alts are like portraiture creation or sculpting
Margaret Wirefly: alt are a good for coordinating
Adra Letov: alts privide social and educational flexibility
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: an alt is a social tool that can be used to greif or used to expand one's abilities in sl... most people use it for good though
Wealthy Mizser: The alt is a way to do or experss things one cannot, or will not, with the other account(s)
Olivia Hotshot: this was a great conversation - really enjoyed listening to everyone
Kay Tairov: there is so much that Kay cannot do in SL that Arys can
Wealthy Mizser: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pQAgf1j2t-hPOeNieXTD4eA
Wealthy Mizser: do the survey
Wealthy Mizser: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pQAgf1j2t-hPOeNieXTD4eA
Kay Tairov: I can't even imagine....
Wealthy Mizser: help us plan upcoming events
Wealthy Mizser: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pQAgf1j2t-hPOeNieXTD4eA
Pappy Enoch: vote early...vote often...it's the Hillbilly way!
Olivia Hotshot: hehehehe
Pony Linden: lots of fun listening today. excellent conversation
Wealthy Mizser: lol
Kay Tairov: lol. i believe that's Chicago
Kay Tairov: actually
Pappy Enoch: thanks Pony :)
Luipher Fhang: and beware i ever get suspended again so i cant rezz my Torley Linden bear for more than 12 hours
Wealthy Mizser: come hear me tallk far too much tonight at ISTE
Seeker Esparza: thanks, great conversation
Zotarah Shepherd: Is there any way to get another account once you have 5?
Kay Tairov: As you, Wealthy?
Kay Tairov: or AJ?
Olivia Hotshot: as the three headed alt? must talk A LOT!
Gwenette Writer: aloha nui loa all. . interesting as usual:)
Adra Letov: Aloha!
Pappy Enoch: thanks all! Iggy will run the transcript soon
Wealthy Mizser: no - AJ will be speaking
EllaynaCyara Maskelyne: au revoir
Kay Tairov nods
Professor Noarlunga: Interesting conversation today...bye all
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia: hey, before you go... if you are around on thursday at 6pm slt on whitmyre we are having a discussion event to celebrate darwin's 200th birthday... it'll be a lot of fun
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Everyone!
Kay Tairov: bonsoir
Ramsay Falconer: Thanks for a great converstion. I'll be at the next one, or Doomsday will...
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, very interesting stuff. Thanks all for the insights.