We gather

Transcript of Jan. 20, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.

Location: Montclair State Virtual Campus
Topics: In With The New: Ideas for 2009

Iggy's Note: I've combined remarks for clarity and eliminated many yes/no replies unless they clarify a remark. I've also added links to URLs in the transcript (all will open in new tabs or windows). This is a big transcript, and I've not run spell-check yet, in the interests of getting it out in a timely manner. Forgive the boo-boos.

Links Mentioned:

Names of Possible Guest-Speakers for 2009: Please send corrections to these names, as well as any that I missed, to me at iggyo@mac.com

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.

AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.

AJ Brooks: Our topic for this week is "In With the New", a look at what we should be talking about in '09 and who are the up-and-coming leaders we should be inviting to speak

AJ Brooks: IMPORTANT NOTE: Next weeks meeting will be taking place from the SL Education Support Faire. I will have a landmark for everyone later in the week - it will be sent to all the groups and lists. I will also have a redirecting landmark giver here, for those who forget. :-)

AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started.

AJ Brooks: We are fortunate to have a GREAT schedule over the next few weeks as well.. A copy of this schedule can be found in the notecard giver along the west wall.

AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Ignatius Onomatopoeia, who has been providing the chat transcripts from the most recent meeting meetings.

AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

Zotarah Shepherd: Everyone come and SIT at the Table please.

AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeing but before I log for the night.

AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.

AJ Brooks: Since many have asked, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. Details can be found in the orange notegiver here to my right.

AJ Brooks: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 25 different educational community members and have room for more.

AJ Brooks: Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy.

AJ Brooks: Something new - we are now on FACEBOOK. If you are, too, please join our Facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share

AJ Brooks: Lastly, If you have Mystitool on, or other similiar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.

AJ Brooks: We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do.

AJ Brooks: No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history.

AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond, Writing Center Director (and geek)

Philled Graves: Ricks Shaw, Director College Techincal Services - Ventura College

Mirt Tenk: I'm Mirt Tenk, from Clemson Univ in Clemson, SC, I am the multimedia coordinator in TEaching & Learning Services

Jessica Knapp: Laurie Simon, WITC, computer applications

Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist and Doctoral Student at the Univ Of Illinois at Chicago.

Profesora Farigoule: professor - Delaware TEch - commmunity college in ... Delaware

Rdr Falconer: Rdr Falconer, Ventura College

Kev Juno: Kevin Lowey, Univeristy of Saskatchewan IT services. Service manager for our Blackboard system and other educational tools.

AJ Brooks: come on folks, dont' be shy :-)

Jarrad Voom: Willie Jackson history teacher at Pierce College.

Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Lif

Penelope Drucker: Penny Burger 8th grade teacher in Muscatine Iowa

Willow Shenlin: I'm Willow Shenlin, sabine Reljic, doctoral candidate at San DIego state universtiy in educationla technology. Defended my proposal in SL in November. Going ahead with my treatments as soon as IRB gives me the green light

Corwin Carillon: I'm Nick Noakes, Hong Kong University of Science & Technoloy, Director of the Center for Enhanced Learning and Teaching

Moriarty Finesmith: Government librarian from Scotland

Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read, Head of Academic Quality and Standards at the University of Leeds, UK

AJ Brooks: Nick gets the "most distance" award I think. :-)

Corwin Carillon: distance from where? ;-)

Philled Graves: good point Corwin!

AJ Brooks: lol - right - good point

Oronoque Westland: /Hi everyone...Roberta Kilkenny. I teach Caribbean history and politics at Hunter College, City University of New York.

AJ Brooks: ok - who hasn't chimed in yet with who they are, what they do, and where they are from?

Fim Fischer: My name is M.A.Link, i am from Frankfurt Germany. I am part of a Product Development Community called 'Marble Isle'. One of our first products is a Multiple Choice Test Board for SL. You can read more about it .. :~) .. there: http://storebox.manupool.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8

Geo Meek: /hello all im here to learn

Geo Meek: and i do video work

AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can.

AJ Brooks: so - lets get todays discussion rolling

AJ Brooks: I'll be entirely frank about what prompted todays discussion

AJ Brooks: when we announced our AMAZING panel from a few weeks ago

Zotarah Shepherd: Did you know you can use your own "My Notes" tab on your profile to cut and paste your intro and other info? Makes it so much easier.

AJ Brooks: there were some comments made on the SLED list about there being a "clique"

AJ Brooks: and that we needed to hear from some new voices too

Zotarah Shepherd nods

AJ Brooks: some other folks voiced a concern about not having their own topics talked about

Olivia Hotshot: <-- not in any clique & I was there and enjoyed it

AJ Brooks: so I decided to dedicate and entire roundtable to generating NEW ideas of topic and speakers

AJ Brooks: so this all falls on you

Profesora Farigoule: always a good idea from time to time :)

AJ Brooks: what would you guys like to see or hear in '09

AJ Brooks: and who would you like to see speak - who is new

Mirt Tenk: AJ could you summarize the goal of the SL education roundtable?

AJ Brooks: an up and coming leader

Mirt Tenk: so we know what is appropriate to suggest?

AJ Brooks: everything is appropriate, I think - as long as it has some tie to education

Kev Juno: I am interested in the opensimulator project and how people are integrating it or Second Life into other campus systems. Things like Sloodle or similar activities for

Blackboard / WebCT

Mirt Tenk: ok that was easy ㋡

AJ Brooks: there is no real "goal" except to get together each week and learn from each other

Willow Shenlin: I am interested in social presence and especially in how immediacy can be used in 3D in a user friendly way for educators

AJ Brooks: btw - Buddy Sprocket will be here as a special Panel Speaker in March to talk exclusively abotu SLOODLE

Penelope Drucker: AJ,,I have not been here for months because the discussion is seemingly unfocussed and no way to take turns,,very loosely structures

Philled Graves: woot!

Mirt Tenk: just came from his Sloodle meeting ㋡

Penelope Drucker: structured

Olivia Hotshot: <-- interested in virtual identities in SL and otherwise

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: greate re: SLOODLE--it's a wonderful tool for teachers

Penelope Drucker: just like now

Penelope Drucker: all these different threads

Mirt Tenk: I'm interested in working toward an interoperable edu VW

Corwin Carillon: for uncoming .. how about a field trip to Macbeth sim with a tour by Anya Ixchel?

Penelope Drucker: very hard to follow

Zage Farman: I would like for us to meet in Sun´s Wonderland, maybe departing together with some mentoring

Corwin Carillon: upcoming

Willow Shenlin: yes, just told Buddy I had to go too. too many interesting meetings to go to. that' smy rpoblem with SL :-)

AJ Brooks: Peneloope, understood - but that is what got us where we are - some folks seem to like it, and follow in the LOCAL CHAT window

Penelope Drucker: who likes it?

Mirt Tenk: yes, text chat makes it easy to go back when I miss stuff, ty

AJ Brooks: well - the 30-40 people who come each week

Philled Graves: yep

Profdan Netizen: Like me.

Profesora Farigoule: i do - it helps

Willow Shenlin: yes

Margaret Michalski: Text is a nice backup

AJ Brooks: but I understand that its not going to work for everyone

Penelope Drucker: what about all the people who might come but do not,,how many are there of those?

AJ Brooks: like any learning tool

Penelope Drucker: I am not suggesting chat is a poor tool

Mirt Tenk: so, to clarify, this is primarly a discussion forum w/a predetermined discussion topic, not necessarily a presentation forum where all listen to one presenter, correct?

AJ Brooks: and I'm sure that someone can step up and have a meeting with a different structure for those folks - I'm not being dismissive of the issue, just that I'm not about to completely restructure the meeting

Penelope Drucker: I am suggesting the format is disorganized

Geo Meek: /you can use voice and do a video and share any good ideas you may have

Profdan Netizen: What would you rather do, Penelope?

Penelope Drucker: have an agenda, with a way for people to take turns

AJ Brooks: Mirt, I'll answer your question in just a second

Luipher Fhang: for later review and for extracting useful information it would be useful to stick to a text based event

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zage and Corwin, I'd love to try MacBeth & a different virtual world for an SL roundtable "field trip"

Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Iggy.

Olivia Hotshot: Penelope, text chat is an aquired skill - it is a learned reading style - takes time - the transcripts help

AJ Brooks: I'd like to let this thread on the meeting style play out for a minute

Willow Shenlin: I like this format because the brainstorming format makes it easier to get ideas out.

Penelope Drucker: oh dear,,I have that skill

Penelope Drucker: my concern is, so many people's comments are overrun

Penelope Drucker: that creates a clique

Penelope Drucker: that was the apparent complaint

Penelope Drucker: you asked

Philled Graves: i know i, as many here do this with rl stuff circulating... and having the transcript makes it easy for me to catch up

Profesora Farigoule: trulthfully, ive never noticed any clique

Profesora Farigoule: myself

Profesora Farigoule: :)

AJ Brooks: Well - I didn't actually ask that - what I asked was what topics this forum shoudl be talking about this year. But I apprecaite the concern

Erectus Amat: this is my second meeting, so i can not speak for the previous ones, but i like the chat dicussion free style

AJ Brooks: Let me clear this up - if I can get everyone to hang on for a second

AJ Brooks: I appreciate Penelope's concern, and I'm sure there are some other people who share it

AJ Brooks: However

Geo Meek: /sorry this metting is going nowhere fast

Willow Shenlin: forum for next year: my vote is on implementations. what works what doesnot in teh process of teaching in 3D

AJ Brooks: this meeting format has worked for us for almost a year

AJ Brooks: and some peopel, amny peopel, come back each week

AJ Brooks: some peoplw don't like it

AJ Brooks: and I understand

Margaret Michalski: I may have mentioned this once before but a student panel would be nice. They can tell us what they want.

AJ Brooks: I'm not insulted or upset, peopel do things differently

AJ Brooks: but

AJ Brooks: this has worked for me, and for those who come back time and time again

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This format may indeed discriminate in favor of those who have taught a lot with synchronous communication in classes...

AJ Brooks: the respnse has been overwhelmingly positive

Profesora Farigoule: student panel would be interesting

AJ Brooks: and I don't have any intention on changing it

Willow Shenlin: yes, a student forum would be interesting, concidering the different varaibles we read in reports (digital generation vs broadband divide, etc.)

Penelope Drucker: well, that's fine, I find it does not suit,,came today to see if there were any changes and tehre is not,,.so I will say good day and have a good afternoon.

Luipher Fhang: never change a running system

AJ Brooks: not going with voice, since the regulars have also said they profer not to have that for now

Profesora Farigoule: if it occurred before the end of this term, i might be able to provide a few:)

Profdan Netizen: Well, actually there is, Penelope.

Profdan Netizen: The once a month sessions, like the first for this year,

Profesora Farigoule: provide a few students for panel :)

Profdan Netizen: where a panel discussed, then questions.

Willow Shenlin: This issues probably raises the aspect of educators going into 3D for teachign wihtout specific skills

Profdan Netizen: Weren't you planning to continue those, AJ?

Philled Graves: i think a student panel on what has worked from their perspective could be very valuable

Mirt Tenk: I agree about avoiding voice, although the meeting time makes it difficult for me to be a regular

Luipher Fhang: Penelope, no offense but i dont like this attitude for an EDU place

Willow Shenlin: that some distance ed educators have had , for example

AJ Brooks: jsut to close this last idea off - if someone wants to start a different meeting, as I did almost a year ago, I'd be really supportive (as long as it wasn't at the same time :->)

AJ Brooks: now - Mirk - you asked about the meeting - it is an open roundtable forum where anyone and everyoen can get involved

AJ Brooks: in 09 we started something new

Luipher Fhang: no, please dont allow a single person to kill the event

Willow Shenlin: So to be back to my idea for this year, is to address issues that make teaching implementation mor euser friendly, such as accepted practices for this platform (chat text as back channel, etc.)

AJ Brooks: the first week of each month we will do a panel or presentation

Luipher Fhang: could we move on please?

Geo Meek: how can anyone folow any of this?

AJ Brooks: this month we did a panel of SL old timers. :-)

Willow Shenlin: and that was quite a panel!

Mirt Tenk: yes, I attended part of that and keep up w/the topic schedule, just a hard time for me to attend

Olivia Hotshot: Perhaps people could submit notecards with proposed topics - pick a few or have a vote prior to the meeting - and those are the directions the group heads?

AJ Brooks: Next month, is A Linden Perspective with Pathfinder Linden

AJ Brooks: and maybe some guests

Profesora Farigoule: my students folllow this kind of discussion very well, including IMs on phone :)

AJ Brooks: March will be the Sloodle discussion with Buddy Sprocket

AJ Brooks: so - that is how we are structured

AJ Brooks: some of you hav already posted some good ideas

AJ Brooks: I'll be going over the transcript with Iggy to cull these out

Moriarty Finesmith: Sorry guys. The lack of structure isn't how I'm used to working. I feel this format isn't effective. But it may suit others. Best wishes, all.

Mirt Tenk: My question RE format was primarily to confirm that discussion among all is the generally accepted format, not a highly controlled forum where one person moderates?

Margaret Michalski: I would like to see a student panel in any of the free months.

AJ Brooks: and put them to a vote for the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group

AJ Brooks: a good reason to belong to the group

AJ Brooks: :-)

AJ Brooks: you get a say in what we will feature

AJ Brooks: so - what other ideas do we have

AJ Brooks: a student forum

AJ Brooks: I like that

Olivia Hotshot: aye AJ - a great use of the resources

Mirt Tenk: I think a discussion on best admin practices for edu in SL would be very helpful

Philled Graves: agreed

Mirt Tenk: possibly Paula from UGA?

Mirt Tenk: I am working extensively on this

Profdan Netizen: AJ, what about an entry point session, one that gives tips for new educators about how to begin workign with students in world?

Willow Shenlin: a forum with distance educators knowledgeable in instructional communication. too many educators new to SL struggle because they lack some basic distance skills

Mirt Tenk: and I think many of us spend a lot of time reinventing the wheel on admin

Erectus Amat: virtual worlds best practices in education is coming up

Luipher Fhang: dude, did i just walk into a troll show or is this event about people who are teachers and tutors?

AJ Brooks: awesome - keep 'em coming

Olivia Hotshot: perhaps best practices for meeting attendance and participation? i have seen some people struggle at all meetings i go to in SL.

Profdan Netizen: Also--I'd like to hear from someone who has taught fully online with no f2f time with students.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this humanist would LOVE hearing what colleagues in the sciences and social sciences and business and law are doing

AJ Brooks: maybe we should feature our own Zotarah!!!!!

Luipher Fhang: how are people going to teach young adults with an attitude problem like that?

Erectus Amat: i had, netizen

AJ Brooks claps for Z!!!!!!!

Profesora Farigoule: a lot of issues are same in any purely online distance format

Margaret Michalski: I vote for Z!

AJ Brooks: btw - folks - its bets to have your LOCAL CHAT window open

Willow Shenlin: Zotarah was awesome yesterday at the Social Presence Virtual World session

AJ Brooks claps for Z some more

Willow Shenlin: Mari Asturias has tremendous experience in teaching strickly in SL

Zotarah Shepherd: hehehe

Zotarah Shepherd: eek!

Willow Shenlin: having never met her students f2f

Erectus Amat: i have already given 3 courses only in second life, no f2f meetings

AJ Brooks: what other topics would you like to see discussed in '09?

Mirt Tenk: Erectus has an amazing edu build too

Erectus Amat: games in education

AJ Brooks: we are doing games already

AJ Brooks: I think on March 10th

AJ Brooks: Jeremy Braver is our special guest

Dan Yapungku: art?

AJ Brooks: art - excellent

AJ Brooks: !!!

Profesora Farigoule: i am getting more interested in affective component of SL... which is higher emotional involvement

Zotarah Shepherd: I don't teach for a school in SL I am just a volunteer and guest presenter.

Kev Juno: Is there a schedule of upcoming talks? Maybe on a notecard?

Profesora Farigoule: of students than other online mediums

AJ Brooks: exlpain, Profesora?

Erectus Amat: good, i will take the boise course games and simulations this semester, totally onine,using Moodle and SL

AJ Brooks: YES - to the notecard

Mirt Tenk: Personally, I'd love a discussion about what kinds of support those who teach in SL would like to have from their IT depts

AJ Brooks: its in teh notecard giver along the side wall - NOT the orange one

Profesora Farigoule: what problems have people had in emotional "spill" in instruction if any?

AJ Brooks: excellent

Profdan Netizen: Be good to hear from someone who has or is doing reserch on using SL and retention.

AJ Brooks: both great ideas

AJ Brooks: keep 'em coming

AJ Brooks: this is awesome!

Willow Shenlin: SL and instructor training

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Profdan it would

Mirt Tenk: yes, b/c that is what I do, instructor training/support in SL

AJ Brooks: explain, willow?

CHSSSouth Land Iniative - Inside:

Willow Shenlin: I've met with too many instructors who use SL with no difference compared to their f2f interaction

Willow Shenlin: wtih large audiences

Mirt Tenk: exactly

Zotarah Shepherd: Basic SL skills for teachers is available through ISTE. After that we need more advanced skills to teach well here.

Willow Shenlin: usually it results in poor presentations, and no interest from teh students

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mirt, and I'd add to that--"what do our I.T. departments most need from LL to help us teach with SL?"

Mirt Tenk: Willow, that is exactly what I was saying I'd like to hear, as an instructor in SL, what kinds of training are best for instructors new to SL

Willow Shenlin: ok. agree with you. sorry i missed you in chat

Kev Juno: I'm interested in what is unique to second life. For example, what kind of simulations you can build. Like PADI's sim that has real working dive equipment to train you for your written dive test.

Mirt Tenk: Erectus & I took the Boise State course on teaching & learning in SL but I'd like to dev best practices for instructors, esp those not willing to spend as much time as many of you have learning how to use the env in teaching

Mirt Tenk: from a training perspective, supporting faculty

Willow Shenlin: oh, that would be really itneresting

AJ Brooks: best practices is somehting the EDUCAUSE group is working on

AJ Brooks: perhaps a meeting on that

Mirt Tenk: or several ㋡

Willow Shenlin: so the question is how to bring adminsitraters to integrate SL training in their professional development

Margaret Michalski: how about course structure in SL

Erectus Amat: worst practices would also be interesting

Mirt Tenk: administrators?

Zotarah Shepherd: If SL is used as a "sage on the stage" style of teaching than why bother if you are doing f2f also? SL excels as a platform for interactive, group collaboration and interactive building.

AJ Brooks: lol - worst practices

Mirt Tenk: lol good Erectus

AJ Brooks: what NOT to do

Kev Juno: And as an administrator, the question from me is what do educators need from us to help them integrate second life.

AJ Brooks: I like that

Mirt Tenk: really, it's a good idea

AJ Brooks: OMG - such great ideas

Oronoque Westland: Might be interesting to hear how instructors just coming into SL are finding their experience (maybe we can get some of the new AVs that Zo has worked with in ISTE to speak with us...Although I am only 11 months old, there have been many changes in SL in that time...what I found an issue getting to know the place may not be an issue now

Mirt Tenk: esp w/feedback from students about worst practices

AJ Brooks: Iggy and I are going to have our hands full, I think

Zotarah Shepherd: hehehe worst I just said one.

Luipher Fhang: just a non-professional opinion, but is Emotional Intelligence not much more important than any other skills in a social simulation like secondlife, where a lot of influences cause intensive impressions and reactions?

Erectus Amat: zotarah, i don not think it is possible to repear a sage on the stage practice in sl, the environment is already too different

Mirt Tenk: Willow: do you mean SL administrators or univ admin?

Willow Shenlin: Mirt, univ admin

Erectus Amat: i really do not think we should guide best practices in virtual worls on moving away from f2f practices

Zotarah Shepherd: I have seen many who try that approach Erectus

Profesora Farigoule: ...and zotorah and erectus, SL magnifies all weakneesses of sage on stage methond

Erectus Amat: some might work fine even here

Mirt Tenk: Luipher: emotional intelligence in RL is based a lot on visual input not available in SL

Luipher Fhang: the way you present a text is one thing, the quality of the text / content another. but the 'social simulation' experience might be the most powerful education for young adults, right?

Profdan Netizen: Like discussion, Erectus?

Willow Shenlin: I think with support and directions from their admin, faculty and other center for professioanl development can help them do an efficient teachign in SL

Mirt Tenk: I'm a SL admin, am asking about best SL admin practices in support of faculty teaching on our space

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Luipher--exactly...simulations are harder IRL

Erectus Amat: yes

Profesora Farigoule: the one admin problem I have is $L issues Mirt

AJ Brooks: ok - so - there is plenty of meat on the table - lots to think about and go over

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we can give them text and video on the "flat Web" but maybe we can bring them togther with simulations here

Erectus Amat: but even a lecture works very different here than in f2f

AJ Brooks: now - a different question

Mirt Tenk: and there is no subconsious behavior in SL

Zotarah Shepherd: Do you also all know about Dragon - it is a program that converts Voice to text in SL and Word and email etc.

Profesora Farigoule: so far there is no way to reimburse me for all my expenses of texture upload

AJ Brooks: who are the up-and-coming leaders - the folks we want ot hear from as "guests" here

Profesora Farigoule: ...yet

Mirt Tenk: hmmm

Erectus Amat: Obama

Willow Shenlin: LOL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wOOt

AJ Brooks: right

Philled Graves: he's busy today

AJ Brooks: its a great day!

Kev Juno: Dragon Speech?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we have Buddy on our list...I think SLOODLE is big

Profesora Farigoule: i am acquainted with Dr. Jill Biden - she is/was my colleague ;)

AJ Brooks: wow - (boy, her slip of the tongue the other day was something else)

Profesora Farigoule: she is *not* into immersive wolds as far as I know though

Profdan Netizen: I'd also like to hear from Angel and their plans for SL and their LMS.

Erectus Amat: i would like very much to invite professor eliane schlemmer, from unisinos brasil

AJ Brooks: ok - who is in charge of the ANgle effort?

Oronoque Westland: Zo's question re:Dragon reminds me...perhaps a discussion about acccessibility issues in SL

Zotarah Shepherd: http://www.nuance.com/talk/

Willow Shenlin: Mari Asturias: she does awaesome curriclum develiopement with Global Kids and also covers courses for higher ed

Erectus Amat: she has done a beautiful work on training professors in sl

AJ Brooks: please make sure to provide SL names so we can contact folks if/when the time comes

Zotarah Shepherd: I don't have it yet but have seen it used in SL very well

AJ Brooks: who do you guys respect?

AJ Brooks: who would you like to hear speak for 20-30 minutes?

AJ Brooks: you must have some names

Profesora Farigoule: everyone... to new here to say otherwise

AJ Brooks: folks you know from SL

Profdan Netizen: AJ, KarenSPC Fride, for Angel.

AJ Brooks: or the SLED list

Mirt Tenk: Yes, KarenSPC is who I was thinking

AJ Brooks: thanks Profdan

Pandora Kurrajong: Jo Kay over on Jokaydia does some faboo stuff

AJ Brooks: great - who else

AJ Brooks: toss those names out

Mirt Tenk: Mali Young

Willow Shenlin: Jo kay! that's right. great stuff

Erectus Amat: PalUP Ling - who runs the Porto University in SL

Mirt Tenk: from Boise State

Zotarah Shepherd: Did you all hear Metaniomics on Monday? Byers interviewed Philip Rosedale - one topic was accessibility and one was about the teen grid

AJ Brooks: maybe an entire international panel

Philled Graves: I know the SLA is going gangbusters in here

Profesora Farigoule: yes to international panel

Zotarah Shepherd: http://metanomics.net/archive011909

Philled Graves: their president Stephen Abram is a terrific speaker and visionary

AJ Brooks: who else - or what else?

Pandora Kurrajong: Konrad March (of Jokaydia) used SL to try to provide the flavour of a trip he took to Africa to provide PD to educators there

AJ Brooks: wow - cooL!

Pandora Kurrajong: A tour of that plot is very emotive

Mirt Tenk: Kristoph Dollinger is a superb 3D graphic designer w/MA in digital production arts, has a lot of great advice RE design for teaching & not to duplicate RL

Erectus Amat: Carlosss Lukas - Aveiro University

Oronoque Westland: Yes, I like the int'l panel suggestion too - Zage is here, perhaps he would take part, there are SL AVs based in South Africa, and elsewhere that we could reach out to

Zage Farman: yes of course

Mirt Tenk: LoriVonne Lustre has a lot of exp w/health care edu in SL

Erectus Amat: she is great

AJ Brooks: think fields, who woudl you like to hear on a specific topic?

Mirt Tenk: MsMauri Collins on Instructional Design for teaching in SL

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: who runs the virtual Globe Theatre?

Kev Juno: Is anyone experimenting with setting up their own server using opensimulator?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd love to hear about performance in SL

AJ Brooks: How about Bernajean whatsher name with digital storytelling

Zotarah Shepherd: Many people on Health Info Island have great programs that could benefit the rest of us too

Erectus Amat: i also support mauri collins

AJ Brooks: keep the names coming

AJ Brooks: we'll put together a list and go for the vote again

Mirt Tenk: Stargazer Blazer on building & maintaining a long-term edu build, totally free

Zotarah Shepherd: Gus Plisskin - of FireSabre

Margaret Michalski: John Sloan from the Sloan C Foundation

Zotarah Shepherd: Larry Pixel of NMC

Mirt Tenk: she has a lot of exp in teaching things like parcel administration, etc

Luipher Fhang: is there experts from the psychology side too?

Profdan Netizen: I'd like to hear more from Erectus and his work with fully online classes.

Margaret Michalski: They specialize in distant and blended learning.

AJ Brooks: oh yes - he's on my list already

AJ Brooks: :-)

Profdan Netizen: Good, then count mine as a second!

Pandora Kurrajong: : D

Erectus Amat: Violet Ladybird runs Unisinos Island with a lot of interesting experiences on faculty training

AJ Brooks: ok - time to shake things up - time for a seat rearranging! :-) we all love it, you know that

Mirt Tenk: Xylin Yifu on teaching languages in SL

Zotarah Shepherd: Corwin would be good too

Profesora Farigoule: que?

Samu Lorefield: hi all - sorry I'm so late

Zage Farman: wooooo

Pandora Kurrajong: lolol

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ina Centaur--SL Shakespeare Co.....finally got it

AJ Brooks: yee ha

Pandora Kurrajong: hehehe

Erectus Amat: if xylin tea house is still working, you would all love to visit her there

Profdan Netizen: Field trips are always fun.

Mirt Tenk: Robin Linden on the start of the edu community in SL, since she was the originator & still follows closely

AJ Brooks: yes - we've never met off the MSU islands - next week will be our first meeting off here

Zotarah Shepherd: Australia and New Zealand are doing great work in SL with Distance Education

AJ Brooks: Robin? or Pathfinder?

Mirt Tenk: Robin

AJ Brooks: I though Path started everything

Zotarah Shepherd: Claudia Linden

Mirt Tenk: Prolly Pathfinder can do it

Profdan Netizen: Anyone hear the CEO on Metanomics this week?

Mirt Tenk: Robin was the one who started the initiative but she is Sr VP of marketing & community relations

AJ Brooks: well - Pathfidner will be our special guest at our February Panel in two weeks

Mirt Tenk: good

Zotarah Shepherd: I asked that Profdan

Profdan Netizen: He said that the plan is to move SL to an all ages environment.

Mirt Tenk: Robin has been w/LL since the start

AJ Brooks: he's been invited to bring friends with him

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes that is so cool Profdan

Zotarah Shepherd: http://metanomics.net/archive011909

Pathfinder arrives

AJ Brooks: he'll be here in a sec to talk about the Faire next week

Oronoque Westland: he's here

Pathfinder Linden: howdy folks

AJ Brooks: Hi Pathfinder!

Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Pathfinder!

Mirt Tenk: hi

Erectus Amat: hi

Sloodle Toolbar v1.4: Samu Lorefield waves.

Oronoque Westland: a fly on the wall so to speak (smile)

Thaddeus Gravois: ehlo

AJ Brooks: folks - I'll ask that you give Pathfinder a few minutes to tell us about eht SL Education Support Faire next week

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL we were speaking of you...

Zotarah Shepherd: Good timing Pathfinder lol

Pathfinder Linden: well, regarding the Faire, we originally posted about it here: http://blog.secondlife.com/2009/01/10/second-life-education-support-faire-january-25th-30th-2009/

Pathfinder Linden: we've confirmed about 45 booths. and the current schedule of events can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/9jb53p

Pathfinder Linden: we'll be posting a blog and SLED update sometime tomorrow or Thursday to remind folks to come, including a list of folks who will have booths and/or be speaking in the Pavilion.

Pathfinder Linden: that's it! :D

AJ Brooks: awesome - thanks

AJ Brooks: and a reminder

Zotarah Shepherd: Looks great!

Philled Graves: looking foward to it

Profesora Farigoule: wow

AJ Brooks: on Feb 3rd, Pathfinder will be our special guest

AJ Brooks: hopefully with some friends. :-)

AJ Brooks: for our panel "A Linden Perspective"

Pandora Kurrajong: Great resources, thank you!

Pathfinder Linden: I am looking forward to it :)

Mirt Tenk: Pathfinder, ty for setting this resource up

Pathfinder Linden: my pleasure

Erectus Amat: our pleasure

Mirt Tenk: so why faire instead of fair?

AJ Brooks: lol - good question

Pathfinder Linden: because I like goofy spelling

Pathfinder Linden: :P

AJ Brooks: rofl

Pandora Kurrajong: : D

Thaddeus Gravois: feni

Mirt Tenk: oh so we don't have to come in renaissance costume? whew!

Philled Graves: works for me

Pathfinder Linden: Ye Olde Education Supporte Faire!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia promises not to hurl any Linden-issued snowballs

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: left from WInter Faire :)

AJ Brooks: well - its easier then going in renessaince clothing to the renessaince fair!@

Mirt Tenk: lol

Pathfinder Linden: i also wanted to try something different than a typical conference space with flat square parcels all in a big grid

AJ Brooks: the islands look wonderful

Mirt Tenk: although, I'd love to see Pathfinder in that garb . . . ㋡

Pathfinder Linden: so it's pretty natural, organic, with trees and hills that folks need to work with

AJ Brooks: SLER and MSU have a booth

Mirt Tenk: nice

AJ Brooks: oh - that reminds me

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I noted that Hair Fair 2008 was organized in a new way--worked well

AJ Brooks: we need volunteers

Zotarah Shepherd cheers for the natural look

Philled Graves: victims to do what AJ?

AJ Brooks: if you can volutneer some time - let me know - its easy - do nothing work, but fun

Philled Graves: I mean Volunteers

AJ Brooks: if you think you might be able to - IM me and I'll drop you a notecard with details

Pandora Kurrajong: When?

Margaret Michalski: I will try to add more time

Philled Graves waves

Pandora Kurrajong: When do you need the volunteers

AJ Brooks: really - just hang out at the booth area

AJ Brooks: IM me and I'll drop you the notecard

Pandora Kurrajong: Okay

AJ Brooks: I have it all ready

AJ Brooks: its just hard to do that now while running the meeting, but I promise to do it before logging off

Thaddeus Gravois: Like a real conference. Just hang out at the booth while people come pick up the freebies?

Thaddeus Gravois: :-)

Thaddeus Gravois: j/k

Pandora Kurrajong: : D

AJ Brooks: pretty much year

Mirt Tenk: Hey, if we volunteer, do we get staff tshirts?

AJ Brooks: *yeah

AJ Brooks: I can give an MSU tee shirt to anyone who volunteers

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tote bags

AJ Brooks: no tote bags

Ignatius Onomatopoeia pouts

scottlo Scorbal: back stage pass??

Zotarah Shepherd: awwww : (

AJ Brooks: hey - make a tote bag, we'll give it out

Profesora Farigoule: lol

CHSSSouth Land Iniative - Inside:

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: deal

Fim Fischer: Bye everyone, have to leave. *waves*

Profesora Farigoule: what on earth do I need a tote bag for in SL?

Mirt Tenk wants a "Ye Olde Education Supporte Faire" tshirt

AJ Brooks: well have a small limited roundtable - most folks will be sitting in the other seas - so any volunteers can be guaranteed seats at the rountable

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for all those prims you carry about :)

Profesora Farigoule: lol

Margaret Michalski: Maybe sent out a notice with what days and time are still available to volunteer.

AJ Brooks: lol

Profesora Farigoule: got my whole inventory in my ... teeny tiny pocket

AJ Brooks: the list is pretty much the same as the notecard I sent out the other day - I plan to send it out again after this meeting

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: :)

Pathfinder Linden: maybe make something..i dunno..in theme with the "Ecosystems of Support" idea?

Pathfinder Linden: like, give out special plants or birds or somthing?

AJ Brooks: carbon powered bags!!!!!

AJ Brooks: good olde fashioned coal!

scottlo Scorbal: coal in a bag

AJ Brooks: in a plastic bag

Luipher Fhang: why do the Lindens not teach how the social simulation works under the surface, regarding sociology and pschology?

AJ Brooks: coal in a plastic bag

scottlo Scorbal: a good ole bag o' coal

Pathfinder Linden: you folks are too much. now I remember why I like hanging out with you all.

Profesora Farigoule: a little clear globe ... with an ecosystem in it :)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hmmmmmm maybe a set of EDU landmarks in a totebag-giver with a tree on it?

Profesora Farigoule: like a snow globe w/o snow... maybe rain witha rain forest

Pandora Kurrajong: That's a bit more like it Iggy

Pathfinder Linden: Profesora, that would be beautiful

AJ Brooks: oooo - I like that profesora

Pandora Kurrajong: And perhaps some newbie gear

Mirt Tenk: @Luipher And psychosis? ;-)

AJ Brooks: a snow globe with the earth inside

AJ Brooks: and when you click it - you get landmarks

scottlo Scorbal: frozen in amber

Profesora Farigoule: dont ask me to make it :).... just mastered the basic "nonplywood" box today

Margaret Michalski: I like the edu in a totebag-giver,

Luipher Fhang: Mirt, i can tell you all about my schizophrenia if you stop talking about prims!

AJ Brooks: ROFL

Profdan Netizen: Or a favorite free PPT display or some such in the tote bag?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: seriously---Pathfinder's bookmarks and a bunch of SLURLs and URLs mentioned at earlier meetings

Thaddeus Gravois: That would defeat the "global warming" premise. Earth in a snowglobe?

Mirt Tenk: it's easly to be schizophrenic in SL!

Philled Graves: not to mention feeding one's ADD

Luipher Fhang: yeah, a good walk into a tree stops the best idea from being aired

Profesora Farigoule: well maybe the globe would have to have a little "ozone" hole at the top...

AJ Brooks: well - in any event - please help us out, IM me and I"ll send you the volunteer times, even if you can only do one hour - it will be really helpful

Margaret Michalski: Try the Vassar schizophernic exercise.

Profesora Farigoule: that heals itself

AJ Brooks: it will show our sense of community

AJ Brooks: just drop me an IM - I'll drop you the notecard

Pathfinder Linden nods at AJ...great idea

AJ Brooks: before I log off tonight

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: do we know how many educators new to SL are likely to visit the faire?

Pathfinder Linden: Iggy, unsure

AJ Brooks: that must be hard to tell

Pandora Kurrajong: No worries AJ - happy to help out in evenings Australia time

Luipher Fhang: but without joking, what they magically do behind the scenes on Help Island Public is too mysterious to abstract from

AJ Brooks: will it be in the notes of the login screen

Pathfinder Linden: but, I have deliberately underutilized the 4 faire regions

Pathfinder Linden: and kept prims per booth to a minimum (90)

Mirt Tenk: a very good example

AJ Brooks nods about the booth prims

Pathfinder Linden: i don't want a lagfest.

Pandora Kurrajong: Will voice be enabled?

Pathfinder Linden: even if we max each region out with about 60 avs per region, things should be nominal given the low prim and script load on the regions

Ignatius Onomatopoeia puts away his Marie Antionette hairdo :(

AJ Brooks: we will not be using voice for the roundtable

Pathfinder Linden: yes, voice will be enabled for folks who want to use it

Margaret Michalski: will voice be required at the faire

Pandora Kurrajong: Fantastic

Profesora Farigoule: maybe we could promote colleages to it -

Profesora Farigoule: host "create avatar" session on our campusses

Mirt Tenk: promote it to colleagues?

Pandora Kurrajong: I plan on doing so

Pathfinder Linden: brb....

Profesora Farigoule: and set up a lab with Second Life druing Faire

AJ Brooks: yes - everyone - please tell your friends

Profesora Farigoule: and be a RL proctor ... or something

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good idea...on our e-lists on our campuses

Pandora Kurrajong: Is there a blog tag for this?

scottlo Scorbal: gotta run, hope ot see you all at the faire.

AJ Brooks: well - we've come to the end of another exciting meeting

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc scottio

Mirt Tenk: Yes, is there an assigned tag?

AJ Brooks: remember that next week we will NOT be here at this location

Profesora Farigoule: :)

Profesora Farigoule: okay

Pandora Kurrajong: To promote it -- what tag should we use on blogs and Flickr

AJ Brooks: I'll be sending the LM out very soon

AJ Brooks: Pandora, wait until Path comes back, thats a good question

Luipher Fhang: can i flood Pathfinder Linden with obscene IM's now?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL then you learn what "God mode" means, Luipher :)

AJ Brooks: ROFLMAO!!!!!

AJ Brooks: oh yeah

Luipher Fhang: but i really like his Avatar

Luipher Fhang: especially when he types

Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins

Mirt Tenk: yeah, those flaming/smoking hands give such a warm, welcomed feeling . . .

AJ Brooks: you should see a few of his other avs

AJ Brooks: very scary

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: just wait, Mirt

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: soon we'll have the "come as your alt" night

AJ Brooks: yes - that one will be fun

Mirt Tenk: AJ, I thought of another discussion topic

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you ain't seen nothin' yet :)

AJ Brooks: I think thats the 10th

Luipher Fhang: maybe that is to keep the ballance to Torley's lovingness

AJ Brooks: sure, mirt, spit it out

Mirt Tenk: What about a discussion on transparencey on the part of edu in SL? I know there are strong feelings abt this among many educators

Pathfinder Linden is back

Mirt Tenk: as in, transparency RE RL ID

AJ Brooks: nice

AJ Brooks: great topic

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good idea

AJ Brooks: perhaps we can tie that into the ALTS meeting

Pandora Kurrajong: @Pathfinder - is there a tag to use when blogging or Flickring to promote Edu Faire?

Zotarah Shepherd thinks of changing her name to her AVs name. lol

AJ Brooks: @pathfinder? you must be a twitterer

Pathfinder Linden: Pandora, hmmm...good point.

Pandora Kurrajong: Twitter addict

Mirt Tenk: Oh dear, it's still good to keep your primary grasp on RL . . .

AJ Brooks: me too

Pathfinder Linden: i have a twitter account, but only use it sporadically

AJ Brooks: pandora, I"m @sorry_afk

Mirt Tenk: he twitters a LOT

AJ Brooks: I do?

Pandora Kurrajong: AJ, I'm kerryank

Pathfinder Linden: as for tags, how about...SLEDUFAIRE09

Profdan Netizen: I'm @danholt

Mirt Tenk: um, right up there w/the SLgridStatus . .

AJ Brooks: too long

Pandora Kurrajong: Sounds good to me

Mirt Tenk: jk, not quite (yet)

AJ Brooks: twitter only gives 140 character

Pathfinder Linden: hmm

AJ Brooks: but how else could you.....

AJ Brooks: sledufaire09

Pandora Kurrajong: sledufaire09

Profdan Netizen: sleduf09?

Pandora Kurrajong: sledfaire09

Mirt Tenk: ok sounds good

Pathfinder Linden: sledfaire09!

AJ Brooks: thats 12 charcater

Pathfinder Linden: i like sledfaire09

AJ Brooks: sledfaire09

Luipher Fhang: why not expand wiki.secondlife.c by a few features that replace the use of twitter?

Mirt Tenk: yeah, see that extra "e" is a problem again . . . ;-)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL

Pandora Kurrajong: sledfaire09 is what I'll use then

Thaddeus Gravois: you will never replace the use of twitter.

AJ Brooks: thanks margartet

Pandora Kurrajong: Thanks all - have to run - worktime in Australia

AJ Brooks: you totally rock

Profesora Farigoule: bye margaret

Pathfinder Linden: i'll make sure we include the suggestion that folks use the tag "sledfaire09" when we remind folks of the Faire on the blog and SLED list this week

Luipher Fhang: i dislike the idea of running pupils into all kinds of internet products only to teach them the right things in SL

Zotarah Shepherd smiles at Pandora

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Margaret!

Pandora Kurrajong: Excellent - I'll promote to my nets too

Oronoque Westland: AJ, if you give me an idea of what volunteers tasks are I will let you know if I feel capable

Mirt Tenk: twitter is eternal, mwuuaaahaaaahaaa

AJ Brooks: bascially just hanging out

Luipher Fhang: not replace twitter in that way, but replace the use twitter has for the SL purpose

AJ Brooks: chatting with folks who come by

Thaddeus Gravois: #SLEDUFAIRE

AJ Brooks: 'bascially - being a green dot on the map

Luipher Fhang: because when you open the can of worms to pupils and students ... they need to filter a lot of garbage when they 'consume' twitter

Oronoque Westland: need to go too...ball tonight

Mirt Tenk: thanks for organizing this stimulating group!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: enjoy the ball, O!

AJ Brooks: it truly is my pleasure, Mirt

Olivia Hotshot: looks like i missed the good parts

AJ Brooks: well - the transcript will be out soon

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Olivia, I'll have a transcript soon on the Web

AJ Brooks: thanks for popping over, Path

Pathfinder Linden: my pleasure. I would have attended the whole meeting, but been running around a bit today.

AJ Brooks: later folks - see you at the Faire! LOL