Transcript of Jan. 6, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Location: Montclair State Virtual Campus, before a full house (90 avatars present)
Topics: "Possible, probable, and preferable futures of Education in Virtual Worlds"
Iggy's Note: ENORMOUS Thanks are due to Olivia Hotshot, Elani Matova, Tuxedo Ninetails, Esme Qunhua, and Willow Shenlin, who transcribed the voice conversation for this text transcript. Thanks again to Tux, who sent me a file of her transcript. I've kept their names in as they typed out others' spoken remarks, to acknowledge their hard work. I also have silently corrected minor spelling errors and typos, combined a few sequential and closely related remarks by typists, and omitted nonessential "yes" "no" remarks to keep the transcript as brief as possible.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I am AJ Brooks I am at Montclair State...Near Manhattan
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana Chevalier: artist in SL, learning tech consultant, instructor , co-administrator
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep is Chris Collins from the UCIT Instructional and Research Dept at Cincinnati U
Tuxedo Ninetails: She is the project manager for the University of Cincinnati, the Second Life Ambassador for the Ohio Learning Network, and also have a mainland community called Chilbo.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Intellagirl Tully is co-author SL for Dummies, doctoral candidate , director of emerging technologies at Kelley Business School at Indiana University. . . Co-chaired last SL Community workshop/conference
Elani Matova: Wainbrave: HI I direct the Center for Learning and Virtual environments and Coordinator at The Salamander Project [text missing] so that we can place them into the Merlot site....so that we can look at how virtual worlds are being used in collaboration and also video game development in SL
Buddy Sprocket: Dr Daniel Livingstone lectures in Computer Game Technology at the University of the West of Scotland and is an active researcher in the educational application of multi-user virtual environments. Daniel co-chaired the Second Life Education Workshops in 2006 and 2007, and founded the Massively Multi-Learner series of workshops for the HEA-ICS. Daniel is a co-founder of SLOODLE (http://www.sloodle.org), and principal investigator on a SLOODLE project funded by Eduserv to explore the integration of virtual worlds and web-based learning management systems.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Says thanks to all speakers, volunteers and guests.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: What we are going to do Each of us will take a few minutes to talk on the topic.
Esme Qunhua: Then we will open it up
Esme Qunhua: AJ: If you have something you want to ask a panelist please IM me
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Normally our meetings are only 60 minutes but today I am expecting us to run over, probably closer to 90 minutes.
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is "Possible, probable, and preferable futures of Education in Virtual Worlds" and our very special panel here to discussion this includes:
* Chris Collins (Fleep Tuque)
* Anthony Fontana (AnthonyFontana Chevalier)
* Jeremy Kemp (Jeremy Kabumpo)
* Daniel Livingston (Buddy Sprocket)
* Jonathon Richter (Wainbrave Bernal)
* Sarah Robbins-Bell (Intellagirl Tully)
Esme Qunhua: AJ:I thought this interesting topic: What do we expect from SL also requires us to ask WHAT is it.
AJ Brooks: The first part of today's meeting will be the panel discussion and then there will be time for attendees to ask questions.
AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started.
AJ Brooks: Our topic for next week will also be "What Makes SL Appealing as a Teaching/Learning Environment and What Hindrances Exist"
AJ Brooks: January 20th "In With The New" - a discussion on what we should be taking about in 09 and potential new leaders we should ask to present.
AJ Brooks: January 27th we will be discussing the upcoming (currently named) Second Life Best Practices in Education in-world conference. Our special guest will be Kevin Feenan (SL: Phelan Corrimal)
AJ Brooks: February 3rd "A Linden Perspective" - this will be a panel discussion (we may try to do them the first meeting of the month from now on) featuring Pathfinder Linden, and potentially a few other special Linden Guests.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: My rez date is coming up 2yrs woot!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 2 years = old man in SL :D
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I didn't know what was possible, still may not know.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: But we can see a logical progression so we can talk about probable
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I want to talk about what is preferable.
Birdie Newcomb: you'd lose the community
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I would like to see things function: people run own virtual instance. own virtual world or create environments with sister schools.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Then tie our VW to a main grid to connect our features and functions that would be of interest to all could connect to main grid.
Riven Homewood: Is Svarga still here?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Separate univ installations don't want to lose access to Svarga and all the good things that come from non univ
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Community is essential.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Turns to Chris
Esme Qunhua: (aka Fleep
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Agree preferable futures and extend to probably futures.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Interested in what happens INSIDE VWs
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Seeing how people come together from different cultures and perspectives and talk about political issues
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Once VWs are easier to access there will be great advances and changes
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: For example, watching Gaza unfold through the eyes of a resident is far more poignant
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: VWs will change how we see the real world
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Looking at indigenous communities through VWs - trying to encourage this
Fleep Tuque: Sounds good!
Philled Graves: sound great Sarah
Fleep Tuque laughs!
Riven Homewood: Amen!
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: probably possible probable...tired of talking about VW, and justify them, prove that something valuable. ready for less distinction
Fleep Tuque seconds that motion!
Jackie Rexen: and the pedagogy
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: ready to talk about solution, students needs, impact,
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: into the future, technology becoming agreeable : talk about less lag and other problem and more about learning. . .will be happy then: talk about soultion that peopl,e provide
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: started to see things done by current technology: phone doing things, Twitter and blogs....small app allowing blog inworld...barriers breaking down and focusing on what we are doing instead of how we're doing it,
Intellagirl Tully works in exec education now and sees corp[orations] going virtual in big ways
Vrider Dancer: http://www.vrider.net/2009/01/3.html | Second Life Video Blog [Hebrew]: Visiting SL Israel witnessing a political demonstration against Israel and for the Palestinians in Gaza.
Vrider Dancer: these videoblog pics brodcast on TV Channel 10 on Friday in Israel
Fleep Tuque nods in agreement with Wainbrave.
Fleep Tuque: sadly, true.
Fleep Tuque: (AJ do we get to grill each other at some point?) :)
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: talk about what i found on the internet - P3 factor - {points to slides} - fill time lecturer 0 at SJSU - uses Blackboard - keeps SL Educators wiki - helped start Slodle with Dan -
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: last century we talked about head mounted display of VR (plays movie clip and asks for guesses)
Intellagirl Tully: /ha Jeremy always has to one up us
Tuxedo Ninetails: Nope
Fleep Tuque laughs.
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: did you hear Thomson Eyephone from Johnny Mnemonic [slide of Keanu Reeves from the film]
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: eyePhone not iPhone :D
Fleep Tuque: (Still waiting for that one!)
slide of Tom Cruise from Minority Report, using VR interface
Olivia Hotshot: Minority Report etc - not headed this way in 12 years
Intellagirl Tully cuddles her iPhone
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: data interfaces with reality: iPhone Wii, Guitar Hero
slide of Guitar Hero guitar, iPhone, Wii
Leondra Larsson: the Storm!
Fleep Tuque: Me too Buddy!
Thunder Insippo: I do
Fleep Tuque: Wiime!
Intellagirl Tully raises her hand
Zotarah Shepherd: nope
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: kids in the general population working with avatars in Wii
Philled Graves waves!
lemmons Ordinary: yes
Willow Shenlin: no
Knowclue Kidd: i do
Olivia Hotshot: *raises hand
Fleep Tuque: ROFL Anthony
DoctorPartridge Allen: y
JeanClaude Vollmar: Mii Too
Birdie Newcomb: what's that?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nope...too much time in SL for third life :D
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: wii me is the wii avatar
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: Booblocks Interface Metaverse on a console - using Wii using to create similar to SL
AJ Brooks: give him a met-a-give
Birdie Newcomb: and blow them up!~
AJ Brooks: A MET-a-GIVE!!!!!!
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: the author compared the original version on metaverse with today - as we move forward - prototype for the bump top desk
Web site image of bumptop desk
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: TED multi- touch data interface
Ignatius Onomatopoeia feels his jaw drop
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: iPhone is similar in tilt
Fleep Tuque: (I love that script! yay Pedro!)
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: origin of p3 - comes from Bell
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: time coordination of social interaction relates to P3
Jackie Rexen: Certified futurist?
Fleep Tuque: Certified brainstormer! :)
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: thesis for preferable - synchronous instruction is not as strong as innovations in blended and asynchronous
Intellagirl Tully: Woot!!!
Olivia Hotshot: Jeremy Kabumpo said: and that's his folk =)
Riven Homewood: I hope the tape of this seminar will be available online
Olivia Hotshot: talk*
Riven Homewood: Asynchronously :-)
Knowclue Kidd: LOL
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: possible to start: who is in their PJs?
Intellagirl Tully: ME!!!
Thunder Insippo: TMI
Fleep Tuque: (Not me cause I just got home from work!)
Olivia Hotshot says no pjs today
DoctorPartridge Allen: me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what pajamas?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Not quite but almost :_
bob Blauvelt: someone is kinky...
Trudy Takacs: cooking dinner
Knowclue Kidd: didn't have time to change into my play clothes :-(
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: thought so. LOL. Possible: more people educated from home, more fun in education
Vrider Dancer: I do
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana; gas crisis: vw use higher...pushing VW for vw meeting
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: : politics or other local reasons such as weather will push more people to VW
Knowclue Kidd: Wow! And Anthony isn't even out of breath!
Jeremy Kabumpo gave you slide toggler.
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: : probable: Twitter simply everywhere. SL is a versatile platform so we'll see more virtual presence in which people will try more asynchronous experience in education
Fleep Tuque laughs.
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: : also probable to miss the good old days. change in unexpected ways. some people might not like that.
Birdie Newcomb: I think I missed the good old days 8=(
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: : preferable? continued local evangelising
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes...seeing a shift on our campus to, all of a sudden, more interest in SL
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: getting the layers of students who are very interested in VW. some never played in MMO. Popularity of WOW, Xbox etc..will see more acceptance from students of SL
Fleep Tuque: ROFL
Willow Shenlin: AnthonyFontana: crashing does not happen in WoW and students get frustrated sometimes with SL. hopefully getting better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia chuckles...don't rib a Scot, AJ :D
Jackie Rexen: Sometimes extraneous to the class
Tuxedo Ninetails: HaHAHA~
Philled Graves: no fun and blackboard do not belong in the same sentence
Tuxedo Ninetails: Hey let's go down BlackBoard and kill some dragons!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point...Blackboard = gated community
Kev Juno: I'm a blackboard administrator ...
Tuxedo Ninetails: Me too - a retired one
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: apologies, Kev..we can fight it out later
Kev Juno: What I would like to see is a SL plugin that works in a browser, so you can embed it into course pages in Blackboard / Moodle
Philled Graves: agreed on SLIM
Birdie Newcomb: SLim works better on my old computer
Jackie Rexen: Love the idea Oronoque - a synergetic blended learning environment!
Kev Juno: I have an open sim running on my office computer.
Kev Juno: Really need open grid, so people can walk between grids.
[voice remarks about age of students and SL requirement of minimum age of 18]
Birdie Newcomb: Big problem
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--some first-years are 17
Jackie Rexen: I need one for my upper elementary students - they would love it - AND with tours into main SL sites life NASA
Esme Qunhua: and at community colleges more and more highschoolers are attending age 16 and up
Kev Juno: I've been thinking of using a private open-sim to tightly integrate with our campus LMS, locked down so only students in class can access it, etc.
Kev Juno: Good for sims that simulate physical processes, where you don't need the community aspect.
Kev Juno: Can integrate class lists, etc. easier if we run our own open sim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right...a simpler client optimized for education and that works on student laptops better than the std. one
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I am so impressed with the panel up here.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks all - that was terrific!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Please IM me with your questions.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: We want our panelists also to get to talk to each other.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Something I want to say is that we have 90 + people.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: It is remarkable that we can pull 90 people from around the world without a LOT of money.
Intellagirl Tully remembers when we couldn't get 10 educators together in SL. It's so great that the community is so HUGE now!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I think we need to combine synch and asynch to continue the learning and thinking with residual materials for manipulation on own after f2f sessions.
Knowclue Kidd: google docs
Esme Qunhua: AJ: we need to be able to interact over documents. Hope Linden builds on this.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Fleep will go first as she was the first to ask.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Panelists will continue to use voice. audience please IM me
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Many great ideas - Metaverse is a good term
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Key barrier I am facing - digital/analogue divide
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: I feel like a digital citizen of my virtual communities as much as my analogue communities
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: How can we make this sustainable?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: We give away so much - how can we make a living?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: terminology clouds the issues
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: So much room for personal and professional development
Fleep Tuque nods.
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: not new debate, students checking out books..etc. each previous tech is becoming transparent.
Fleep Tuque: It does seem that way!
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: all this tech is laid over our lives and we choose bits and pieces for specific needs.
Fleep Tuque: At least in terms of virtual worlds/second life
Fleep Tuque: (hope it's ok, I love using the backchat!)
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: very unique position as educators to be leading the charge on what do we use
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Birdie Newcomb asks can we bridge the gap between the $200 laptop and our currently needed technology.
Intellagirl Tully: EEE Pc
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: I think that this gap is closing
Birdie Newcomb: A netbook?
Jackie Rexen: But a bigger picture is also access of all it to the under 18 population - many sites can't legally let under 13 year olds use it.
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: conference presenters
Fleep Tuque: I think it will be ENRICHED by it. . . hehe
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: we can start focusing less on hardware, just need an internet enable device. no need to worry about software, etc.
Olivia Hotshot: without rendering, what will we ever talk about?
Fleep Tuque: For me the technology barrier is less difficult to overcome than the questions raised by the human/social interaction that the technology enables.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins and hopes that happens
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: : no matter the place (car, phone, laptop)..we'll be moving away from the platforms
Philled Graves: it requires it!
Jackie Rexen: I agree! Like Meetsee or Just Leap In - embeddable into web pages
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: the one easy and accessible will survive. those that don't wont.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Doesn't that imply standards
Fleep Tuque: ORGANIC
Philled Graves: organic evolution
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: right about downloading. but later plugin profile will download for you
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: That cloud that follows us around--any OS, any computer
AJ Brooks: Leondra Larsson: I think there are also issues to be resolved about people and their avatar's identity/concept of self in VR. If we can cross platforms/VWs, can we take "me"? Don't want a Wii avatar.
Philled Graves applauds
Fleep Tuque: (yes fabulous!) Thank you and your wrists. :)
Thunder Insippo: and you are all talking so fast!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Will we be able to take our avatars across platforms.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: love that term...Wainbrave's "Cloud Identities"
Oronoque Westland: I share Intellagirl's view that more educator's discussions within SL will focus on facilitating subject areas other than educational technology and pedagogical best practices
Fleep Tuque: Before that can happen though, there have to be SOCIAL changes
Intellagirl Tully: /sHirky: Technology doesn't become socially interesting until it becomes technologically boring
Fleep Tuque: What hat am I wearing right now? "Who is Fleep" depends on the context and until the technology enables that flexibly OR society is ok with me sometimes being this and sometimes that...
Fleep Tuque: How many profs in SL have alts?
AJ Brooks: I do
Philled Graves waves
Esme Qunhua: I do.
Olivia Hotshot has an educator alt
Thunder Insippo: I do
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: me--whole Hillbilly family of alts
Fleep Tuque: I guess I see a difference in the technical questions vs the social question
Tuxedo Ninetails: imagine wanting to merge your identities
Fleep Tuque: Exactly.
Riven Homewood: Yes
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: but it still focuses on some elements of tech. Fleep and I probably feel the same. been in different worlds for so long that no longer differentiate my several av.
Fleep Tuque: I am Fleep across platforms. . . . I don't mean login name
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: in the future,. we'll have to think less about that. if more identities, problem now is because new phenomenon
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: our alts contain parts of ourselves...cannot escape that
Intellagirl Tully nods
Leondra Larsson: that's what I am talking about
Tuxedo Ninetails: What would Jung say :)
Thunder Insippo: True Pandora - different roles....
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: talking about how an identity is created virtually: all area of research
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--personality IRL is a construct. Ask David Bowie
Olivia Hotshot saw Prospero *break* the law in that play =)
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: growing field. Not sure where the focus on education is on this question
Leondra Larsson: yes!... lots of meaning to define
Thunder Insippo: LOL Prospero, I think you are a special case
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: What happens when students don't want classmates to know what other things they do.
Knowclue Kidd: yes, but everything they do raises those questions today... faeebook, im, etc...
Tuxedo Ninetails: The technology doesn't yet cater to this, and perhaps the culture isn't ready to deal with it either
Thunder Insippo: Perhaps
Knowclue Kidd: exactly
Leondra Larsson: exactly, Fleep!
Philled Graves: and then one of them gets arrested for distributing kiddie porn
Philled Graves: ;-)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Already things like cell phone [let students capture party] photos of nudity
Tuxedo Ninetails: creates problems/challenges
Knowclue Kidd: it will be interesting to watch how that will evolve....
Esme Qunhua: I think it is so cool that at a meeting like this we can click on people and get info about them. Imagine if we could do that i[n First Life]
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: identity is only one ara of that challenge. other elements that augmented brings to identity
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: hate the idea of native and immigrants.
Fleep Tuque: (I want that in RL all the time Esme. :) And the mini map hud embedded in my RL glasses.) :)
Esme Qunhua: Like your new terms Intellagirl!!!!
Knowclue Kidd: we LOVE to label..... sigh
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: : revolutionaries: play; beneficiaries: adopt after society already
DoctorPartridge Allen: besides wouldn't you rather be a revolutionary
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hmmmm...they are much better metaphors, Intellagirl.
Tuxedo Ninetails grins and nods at Fleep
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: now in revolutionary stage. now behave as beneficiaries.
Jackie Rexen: Yukes! Good terminologies revolutionaries and beneficiaries
Knowclue Kidd: I don't know that they understand the implications
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: but society not ready for effects .
Knowclue Kidd: not enough experience yet
Tuxedo Ninetails: I want to camera around everything now. The web is so flat and difficult to see after SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and reactionaries....
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: as educators we are revolu. and benef, and we are talking to people who are neither.
Jackie Rexen: Nicely said!
Fleep Tuque: (Jeremy has been extremely quiet!)
DoctorPartridge Allen: i feel same all the time tux
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: : don't understand the discussion
DoctorPartridge Allen: hear same from students all the time
Pye Merlin: a lot of useful information has been built up on the email lists - is there a technological solution so that easier to navigate all the issues which are discussed?
Fleep Tuque: That's a tough one.
Fleep Tuque: TAGGING
Jackie Rexen: That is a confusing question
Kev Juno: How about a Wiki that the community maintains?
Fleep Tuque: If all the SLED list posts were tagged, think what a resource
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Does RSS help if I was looking for a scripting question answer.
Fleep Tuque: Sure if you're subscribed to the right feed..?
Intellagirl Tully: /it's not a technological solution it's a mindset that engages searching, relating, following links, explorative thinking
Fleep Tuque: What's feeding into the stream
Esme Qunhua: AJ: access and search are the keys
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes! I want to bring more stuff inworld from outside
Jackie Rexen: does anyone have a twitter feed/deck in SL?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Saves money, saves time, enriches the environment
Intellagirl Tully: YES!!!
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: googledoc debate: what's needed is the collaborative copresence that SL has
Knowclue Kidd: not in SL... but i have used it to collaborate on many projects started here
Birdie Newcomb: wiki pages
Fleep Tuque: chicken egg rofl
Knowclue Kidd: invaluable
DoctorPartridge Allen: well said Anthony
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: no necessarily we need to bring it, but collaborating on that document in same location
Tuxedo Ninetails: But I don't have a home in Google Docs. . . .I have a home in SL and a workplace
Thunder Insippo: My groups database is a googledoc we access inworld
Tuxedo Ninetails: I want to BE here, and USE other stuff
Fleep Tuque: How many people here have multiple monitors? (impromptu poll) For me, without two monitors SL is less useful.
Knowclue Kidd: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It would be nice to "hand your avatar" a doc w/in SL...to avoid breaking the metaphor
Tuxedo Ninetails: No fleep
Thunder Insippo: not me fleep. . . .two laptops sometimes
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: Anthony refers to an important thing we struggle with. cna't adopt one and become a benefit of it. need to consider needs and match tech
Fleep Tuque: I don't know anyone uses SL without multiple monitors, frankly. :)
Jackie Rexen: tool to fit the job - not making the job fit the tool
Birdie Newcomb: no
Tuxedo Ninetails agrees with Iggy - not breaking the metaphor
Knowclue Kidd: why do we feel we have to put it into sl
AJ Brooks: i don't have multiple monitors
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: affordances of all the options : can't marry just one
JeanClaude Vollmar: I have 3 on the desk
Tuxedo Ninetails: So we need the metaphor to go everywhere with us
Fleep Tuque: I am ready for a huge wall of giant monitor with SL as the background and all the windows on top. :)
Thunder Insippo: lol we are sick!
Philled Graves nods with Fleep... we also need it to be a touch screen
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: how learning management came about as well..
Esme Qunhua: are we saying that we don't know how to multi multi task?
Fleep Tuque: yes with the inputs Jeremy showed
Thunder Insippo: I agree Prospero I am "here" as my family often reminds me!
Fleep Tuque: the touch screens with perspective control
Jackie Rexen: I think it is the opposite - they set up their technologies to fit a lecture/didactic - teacher as expert model
Riven Homewood: Howard Rheingold is working on something like that - an integrated platform of web 2.0 tools for education
Intellagirl Tully suggests looking at Netvibes and other tools that allow integration
Ignatius Onomatopoeia would love to see what Rheingold comes up with
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: other VW out there trying to find a place. we look at the browser as a cloud and choose whatever you want to use. Opening SL or SLim is almost counterintuitive to other Web 2.0 app to work in a fluid way.
Fleep Tuque laughs. . . .Me too, 50 tabs open
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: and the personal learning environment. I've got 5 big windows open, 4 monitors..build the system for myself. want flexibility.
Knowclue Kidd: yes
Thunder Insippo: @Elani Yes! and the panic that I'm not getting, doing, noticing everything!
Jackie Rexen: Me, too - and I love it! Every student puts together an individualized set of tools that matching their learning needs and styles
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: teacher or students use what they need not necessarily what's there
Philled Graves: absolutely
Tuxedo Ninetails: Lovely image - drinking from the firehose
Knowclue Kidd: I have developed technology induced ADD... LOL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we are not typical "users"....imagine their overload
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Learning to trust your network, learning to work in a distributed way
Thunder Insippo: Knowclue - me too! I blogged that this weekend CyberADD
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Learning to trust the distributed knowledge
KJ Hax: Great point Fleep!
DoctorPartridge Allen: Learning environments are still given so little effort. The questions of cognitive overload esp. as we are forced to abandon what we know from psych of eLearning is now hard to apply to virtual spaces (how do you ensure coherence etc. in a 3D space?)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: People will bring things to your attention.
Knowclue Kidd: @ thunder... LOL no kidding!
Intellagirl Tully agrees with Buddy
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Part of the solution is a social one more than a people one
Knowclue Kidd: Great point Fleep
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: Sorry part of the solution is a social one not a TEHCNICAL one
Fleep Tuque: (and sorry Buddy if I stepped over you i n the last exchange!) Hard to know who wants to talk next. :)
Thunder Insippo: "social" is the reason this works for me
Esme Qunhua: AJ: [we with the SL Roundtable] meet every week 2:30-3:30
[question from the group about developing a good pedagogy for virtual worlds]
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thank you! Excellent questions!
Fleep Tuque: Good question.
Knowclue Kidd: Yippee! Great question
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: need at least an hour for that one, AJ
Philled Graves: cue the crickets
Knowclue Kidd: my favorite question
Esme Qunhua: AJ: with Esme's question :-) how do we get to the point where we are using better pedagogy in sl, not duplicating bad pedagogy?
Jackie Rexen: That is the question - bad pedagogy is the norm - sadly
Fleep Tuque: I'm less sure what "good pedagogy" is anymore, my learning has become so self-exploratory
Willow Shenlin: would not pedagogy quality related to results? learnt content? format of testing?
Knowclue Kidd: I am fascinated that keep recreating the sage on the stage model... students in seats and slideshows... why is that?
Jackie Rexen: If it weren't for this back channel, I wouldn't be at these talks as with it, many of these forums would simply be traditional pedagogy
Daisyblue Hefferman: I still cringe when I remember the conversation I overheard between 2 professors discussing ways to assign seats, and get a hand-raising anim for a student's turn to speak!
Fleep Tuque: Well here we are, in this panel, is this bad pedagogy? :)
Kev Juno: What are the strengths of SL over other technologies that fits pedagogy? I think community, ability to develop simulations that fit courses, set up environments to do exploratory learning, etc.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wow Daisyblue...good instance of the technology driving the pedagogy instead of pedagogy coming first
DoctorPartridge Allen: pedagogy never got far in 40 years of elearning, do you expect this to get much further - esp. given barriers to entry?
Jackie Rexen: Yes Key Juno!
Willow Shenlin: what about instructional communication? effective virtual communication, besides pedagogy only
Riven Homewood: The backchannel is the best part of attending lectures and classes on sl :-)
Jackie Rexen: Yes Tiven
Esme Qunhua: No bad pedagogy here!
Fleep Tuque: Archiving learning experiences so others can benefit from them, yes!
Knowclue Kidd: but.. what SL has brought us is a dynamic way to create professional networks that allow discussion and collaboration
Knowclue Kidd: in world and out
Jackie Rexen: That's why twitter is so popular
DoctorPartridge Allen: most college professors don't even study teaching - much less eLearning
Kev Juno: For example, what we did today could have been done in an Elluminate session, it didn't need second life. But there are some things you can only do in SL.
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: learning communities are great way to learn. Being social with other educators in forums like this. Asking for a minute of each other time. just sharing.
Tuxedo Ninetails: It's great to be given a chance to try things out here, to be allowed to make mistakes.
Fleep Tuque: Jeremy's slides couldn't have been done in Eluminate with quite the same.. oomph. :)
Tuxedo Ninetails: We as teachers need to take what we are doing seriously enough to be documenting it
Willow Shenlin: Anthony: sharing is also out there in the audience. that i could learn from. in that way, we can be that scaffolding
Tuxedo Ninetails: but not so seriously that we won't take risks
Birdie Newcomb: My experience of SL is learning how to listen to several conversations at once - maybe the kids already know how do to it.
Riven Homewood: What you get in SL is the feeling of being in the same place, not being isolated - in Illuminate or Skype, I feel alone - here I feel part of a group
Fleep Tuque: rofl
Knowclue Kidd: LOL...
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heehee
KJ Hax: hate it when that happens
Fleep Tuque: laugh yes!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: apologies for the dead space. I thought I was talking and had turned off mic.
Knowclue Kidd: I think the question to ask is what does this new technology allow us to do that we could not do before?
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: the idea of asking new pedagogies, is teh wrong question. reinventing the wheel? we have great pedagogies already. students life-long learners, etc.
Knowclue Kidd: or do something better?
Jackie Rexen: But has great pedagogies been established through the mediums of social networking and collective intelligence venues
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: don't throw everything when we've got already good ones. if they don't fit the new tech, they don't
Jackie Rexen: Love it - make metaphors visible = and creative ways!
Fleep Tuque: rofl
Leondra Larsson: out-of body experiences!
Kev Juno: Commerce courses doing real business online.
Kev Juno: PADI sim teaching diving
Jackie Rexen: I don't think really great pedagogies have been articulated and implemented - maybe Dewey
[Jeremy makes a joke about a skyscraper you can produce at will in SL-and to make the point vividly, someone produces the top stage of a Saturn V rocket]
Riven Homewood: Just a plain lecture goes very well in sl - the old model of somebody talking to or with a class
Tuxedo Ninetails: I think we are able to develop our pedagogies faster here
Esme Qunhua: Aj: Does the pedagogical background really change in a 3d world.
Willow Shenlin: Intellagirl: scaffolding is scaffolding no matter the platform
Tuxedo Ninetails: There is pedagogical theory that is 'out there' and there is pedagogical theory that is inside us
Jackie Rexen: But shouldn't pedagogies keep evolving given the times, given the tools of those times?
Fleep Tuque: terra!
Fleep Tuque: physical!
Leondra Larsson: generalization!
Fleep Tuque: I hate using "real"
Tuxedo Ninetails: This is an amazing environment for teachers to transform their understanding of their pedagogy
Intellagirl Tully: Analog
Intellagirl Tully: not real
Fleep Tuque: Analog scares people, then you sound like a borg
Fleep Tuque: :)
Intellagirl Tully is a borg
Fleep Tuque giggles.
Knowclue Kidd: what a fascinating discussion
Tuxedo Ninetails: Exactly Jeremy!
Jackie Rexen: Collective intelligence has not had the opportunity that it has now and the pedagogies need to reflect the process
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we are all cyborgs...technologically extended humans
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes! This is a fast development area for pedagogy
Leondra Larsson: GREAT discussion
Fleep Tuque: really very varied, yes! the variety is fascinating.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Where is this one Buddy?
Jackie Rexen: I love the idea of a 3D chatroom and have been thinking about it.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Got a SLURL?
Fleep Tuque: (Like the Macbeth sim, if you haven't seen it you should)
Leondra Larsson: BUT we can create content here collaborative... not a 3d chat room
Intellagirl Tully nods emphatically
Leondra Larsson: well more than a 3d chat room
Esme Qunhua: There isn't just one way to do this.
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Breaks in.
Fleep Tuque: Thanks so much to the volunteers!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: We need to wrap up.
Fleep Tuque: Great job!
Jackie Rexen: I believe we need the imagine the perfect pedagogy and then create technologies to match that perfect pedagogy
Knowclue Kidd: we have an amazing opportunity here... a blank canvas. Will we paint a picture of what we already know, create something entirely new, or a mash-up of both?
Riven Homewood: Thank you, all the transcribers!
Fleep Tuque: And thanks to EVERYONE for a great conversation!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thank you AJ and to our wonderful panel!
Esme Qunhua: AJ: or volunteers who need to leave please do
Esme Qunhua: AJ:But please feel free to stay if you want to .
Riven Homewood: This was fantastic!
Jackie Rexen: Major applause to the presenters and the volunteers!
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Everyone!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: note to transcribers--send me anything afterward and I'll include it
Trudy Takacs: yes, great to hear the different perspecives:)
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Thank Chris Sarah Jon Anthony Jeremy Daniel and all the volunteers
Intellagirl Tully: /Thanks for hosting AJ!!!!
Trudy Takacs: so helpful to have the expertise of the experienced educators
Esme Qunhua: AJ: I will stay as long as we have a panel here.
Leondra Larsson: wish 4 that 2
Tuxedo Ninetails: Fleep: If you were to put this panel in a blank sandbox and say 'pull anything you like out of your inventory' this would be a wonderful session - not possible yet with lag etc.
Fleep Tuque: I REALLY wanted to drag a bunch of things out but didn't cause of lag! :)
Jackie Rexen: New Media Consortium conference this past fall did a little of that
Tuxedo Ninetails: I'd LOVE to see what you guys had in your pockets :)
Esme Qunhua: AJ: we would like to try varying our model. try the sandbox approach
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yeah, where is that?
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Pull stuff out of our inventory and demo, play with...
Knowclue Kidd grins
Tuxedo Ninetails: Bloom's taxonomy build next to the Montclair library
Vrider Dancer: hi all, MetaverSense Ltd [http://www.metaversense.com], My company, is sponsoring the Israeli National Education MOFET Institute Conference on Teachers, Learners and Virtual Worlds, on the 21 of Jan 2009. I will present the potential of Virtual Worlds tools and game engines for Education and Creativity + my students at H.I.T-Holon Institute of Technology "game engines for Education projects" examples. I would like to show SL affordances in Real time and I would appreciate if you can spread the news and assist me with finding partners for interactions collaboration creating interactions in world]. just drop me an IM or e-mail me to hanan[at]metaversense[dot]com
Leondra Larsson: SOOOO enjoyed... bravo
Esme Qunhua: AJ: Hear hear.
Tuxedo Ninetails: What a fantastic session - thanks everyone for your great contributions
AJ Brooks: thanks everyone
Zotarah Shepherd: Mine is the old taxonomy model and interactive. and I still have the multiple intelligences build set up on Koru.
Fleep Tuque: Well that was fun!
[Survivors stagger homeward]