Transcript of Dec. 23 2008 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: The Year in Review
Many thanks to Margaret Michalski for saving this transcript. I had far too much nog with my egg and lost the original. This was AJ's return to lead our group, after being away for a few weeks, after a back injury.
The Linden/Resident Snowball Fight for Winterfaire had made a bit loopy, so I showed up with my "Christas Poking Stick" and my favorite freebie, an Abominable Snow Monster, on my shoulder. The mood was light for everyone. Even Santa showed up!
Selected links mentioned in our dicussion (SL and teaching ones--we were link-happy that day):
Snow Monster: GRRRRrrrrrr!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ho ho ho
Margaret Michalski: Hi Iggy!
Christmas Poking Stick: Where's my present?!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I was at the snowball fight :)
Christmas Poking Stick: Poke, poke! Oohhh you must be Santa! You jiggle!!
AJ Brooks: hi - sorry I'm a bit delayed
JeanClaude Vollmar laughs, "You have Abominal on your shoulder."
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Bumbles BOUNCE
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it was fun clobbering Lindens with snowballs
AJ Brooks: sorry - I got stuck in the ice outside my house
Margaret Michalski: Glad to have you back!
AJ Brooks: it is SO good to be back
Ignatius Onomatopoeia applauds AJ--welcome back
Zotarah Shepherd: Glad you are back AJ
Zotarah Shepherd: Hello Pathfinder!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: uh oh
Pathfinder Linden just came back from a snowball fight
AJ Brooks: ok - folks are starting to show up - we'll give them a nother few minutes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: better behave now :)
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe Iggy now you behave. *stern look*
JeanClaude Vollmar: Kewl!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: `ya'll had a fort too
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yeehah!
Pathfinder Linden: heh
Pathfinder Linden: that's my snowball :P
AJ Brooks: nice snowball, Path
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what snowball?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins--it melted
AJ Brooks: everyone come on down and have a seat, we're about to get started
Pathfinder Linden: :P
Fim Fischer: Hi Pathfinder, did you bring your linden bear ? :~)
AJ Brooks: ok - lets go ahead and get started
Zotarah Shepherd tries not to grin
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome.
AJ Brooks: This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is The Year in Review
AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started.
Fim Fischer: Thank you pathfinder :)
AJ Brooks: Our topic for next week will also be The Year in Review.
AJ Brooks: Please make sure to add January 6th to your schedule. That SLER meeting will be a slightly different format. It will be a panel presentation. Topic and special guests to be announced very soon.
AJ Brooks: Please also add January 7th to your schedule. The EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will have a regional meeting at the EDUCAUSE Mid-Atlantic Regional Conference in Philadelphia on January 7th from 10:30am to 11:30am Eastern Time. If you are going to MARC, please plan to attend.
AJ Brooks: If you are NOT going to MARC and would still like to attend we will also be meeting in Second Life at the same time, 7:30am SLT ( which is the same as 10:30am ET). The meeting will be held here in this amphitheater. You do not need to be a member of EDUCAUSE of the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds CG to attend the in-world meeting.
Zotarah Shepherd thinks we'd need a whole day to discuss all the things we discussed this year.
AJ Brooks: For more information on the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds CG visit http://www.educause.edu/groups/vw. You can also joining the in-world group, EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds. If you have problems finding it, please let me know and I'll send you an invite before I sign off today.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater to the right. Enter through the entrance that runs along the canal and make a right.
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to Ignatius Onomatopoeia for keeping our "minutes" from the most recent meetings.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yw AJ
AJ Brooks: Speaking of Iggy, on a personal note, I want to extent a warm and gracious thanks to you. I messed up my back pretty bad a few weeks ago and could not get to the computer to use it, even if I could have sat up long enough to use it.
AJ Brooks: Without my even asking, Iggy took up the reigns and made sure the SLER meetings went on without a hitch. That is leadership and friendship, and I appreciate it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: just glad you are back and I didn't burn the campus down
AJ Brooks: If you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-)
AJ Brooks: On the side wall, here inside the Amphitheater, there is a notecard giver with information on the D.I.D.I program. Click the sign to grab a notecard and "Learn how you can receive up to $1000 USD seed funding for social entrepreneurial ventures with the Dream It. Do It. Initiative in Second Life!"
AJ Brooks: On the other wall is a black circle, which is also a notegiver. The notecard is a Call For Papers for the Journal of Virtual Worlds Research, the theme of the special issue is Pedagogy, Education and Innovation in Virtual Worlds.
AJ Brooks: This SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeting but before I log for the night.
Teachergirl Razor: where is the notecard?
Fim Fischer: AJ, do you have a Google Calendar, that I can just copy the events to my calendar ?
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Lastly, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. Details can be found in the notegiver at the base of the outside stairs leading up to this amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: Please wander around the island - after the meeting or come back any time. We're currently up to 25 different educational community members and have room for more.
AJ Brooks: Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair AJ Brooks: We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do.
Teachergirl Razor: the call for JVWR
AJ Brooks: No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
EllCee Tabak: EllCeeTabak - Delaware Technical & community College
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond Writing Center and WAC Director--will be teaching w/ SL in 2009-2010
AJ Brooks: the black disk on the wall in front of me is the notecard giver
Teachergirl Razor: I am Carole Farber, Faculty -- Faculty of Information and Media Studies, The University of Western Ontario in Canada
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC in SL (Jeff Le Blanc in RL). I'm the VP for IT at the University of Northwestern Ohio.
AJ Brooks: and Bruce Sommerville does a great job of keeping SL events in a calendar, check info on the SLED list for that
Teachergirl Razor: I teach both in about SL
Weave Oldrich: Director of Systems, Delaware Tech College
Jarrad Voom: Jarrad Voom teaches college history and political science in the snow covered Pacific Northwest USA
DWhisp3rs Namanari: I'm Steven House. I'm Partner of iVersity. We de SL development for educational institutions and offer classrooms and presentation areas. Working with sloodle, some AI, and other interesting things
Margaret Michalski: I am Margaret Czart, Research information Specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Currently, I am working on my dissertation project to create a small clinic where third year medical students will be able to practice their communication skills with a virtual patient using the technique of Motivational Interviewing to promot healthy behavior to patients.
Pathfinder Linden: Pathfinder Linden - I lead LL's efforts in cultivating and supporting the use of SL in education and healthcare. my background and details: http://pathfinderlinden.com
Davidovic Dean: David van Gent. IBM Learning Europe focal point, serious gaming & virtual worlds
Manifrey Guisse: Doug Jerolimov, University of Virginia, Dept of Scienc , Technology and Society...I teach cultural geography of technology, and engineering thesis courses
AJ Brooks: who else?
Kita Coage: Kita Coage: Teacher Norway
Erectus Amat: joão mattar, universidade anhembi morumbi, brasil
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mexie Butler, masters candidate at Melbourne University, usually instructional designer, teacher, academic developer
Fim Fischer: I am M.A.Link, i developed a inworld multiple choice test board with two other residents.
AJ Brooks: have to readjust the seats, hang on one sec
Jeremy Kabumpo: Jeremy Kemp - San Jose State Library Science / Sloodle / Simteach
AJ Brooks: much better - hope you all enjoyed the ride
Oronoque Westland: Roberta Kilkenny, I teach Caribbean history and politics, Hunter College, City University of New York
AJ Brooks: anyone else want to introduce themselves
Davidovic Dean: Working & Living in Amsterdam
Oronoque Westland: getting me dizzy as usual
Plato Pizzicato: I am a Penn State engineering faculty at campus near Philly PA.....bring students into SL
AJ Brooks: folks out in the amphitheater, please join us here at the table - there is PLENTY of room
Zotarah Shepherd: Wow what a great group!
AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can.
AJ Brooks: ok - so - year in review
YIng Enyo: Ying, Researcher, instructional designer to be, Taiwan
AJ Brooks: what an amazing year it has been for education in SL
Leal Choche: Learning Exchange - Calif
AJ Brooks: I'd like to start by thanking Pathfinder, who is here, and Claudia, and all the folks at LL who push the education agenda for us
Zotarah Shepherd claps
DWhisp3rs Namanari claps
Jeremy Kabumpo: woowoo
AJ Brooks: so - straw poll. say YES if you were in SL last year at this time and say NO if you were not
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks for coming today and for all your support
EllCee Tabak: no
JeanClaude Vollmar: YES
Tuxedo Ninetails: No
Plato Pizzicato: yes
Chronos Xaris: no
AJ Brooks: yes
Portia Foxclaw: no
Kita Coage: yes
Erectus Amat: YES
Oronoque Westland: no
Jarrad Voom: yes
Weave Oldrich: No
YIng Enyo: no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
Manifrey Guisse: no
DWhisp3rs Namanari: yes
Leal Choche: yes
AJ Brooks: 10 - 8 so far
Bracken Homewood: Kings College London training post graduates to be IT teachers in school
Zotarah Shepherd: After you rez come and sit in the empty chair.
AJ Brooks: ok - 11 to 8
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
AJ Brooks: 11 of us were here, and 8 of us are new in the last year
Bracken Homewood: yes
Margaret Michalski: no
WychElm Homewood: yes
AJ Brooks: nearly 50% - THAT is the major accomplishment I think
Margaret Michalski: no
Zotarah Shepherd: The chair disappears if you get up
AJ Brooks: congrats to ALL of you for making this happen
AJ Brooks: you are all the big story of the year, I think, for edu in SL
AJ Brooks: so - lets talk globally now
Pathfinder Linden agrees with AJ
AJ Brooks: what is the ONE big thing you think happened this year in SL regarding education?
DWhisp3rs Namanari: whew
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: The EDUCAUSE recognition was enormous for us
AJ Brooks: ok - I would agree with that
AJ Brooks: what else?
Bracken Homewood: The Open University in the UK had a major conference RELIVE08, largely based on SL
AJ Brooks: what is the one big thing that happened for you this year
AJ Brooks: yes - that was a big deal
Margaret Michalski: My institution has used it for presentations and meetings. I am taking it a step further for an online course.
EllCee Tabak: got approval to teach SL to colleagues
Oronoque Westland: I don't say this out of vanity, but the fact that I learned about SL was the biggest thing for me
AJ Brooks: how many of you are teaching next semester using SL
Erectus Amat: we had some papers, talks etc. about second life and education in brasil
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: on our campus--having four faculty, not one, preparing to teach or teaching in-world
DWhisp3rs Namanari: Development of sims on TG for UMKC and K-State for a large grant
Kita Coage: I finally got some Norwegian teachers in here :)
Davidovic Dean: talking about Amsterdam we intend to organize a second life community convention from 21-23 May 2009
Teachergirl Razor: I am
Erectus Amat: i will!
Manifrey Guisse: no
Tuxedo Ninetails: I am
Teachergirl Razor: teaching next semester and fall 2009
Jeremy Kabumpo: A shift in emphasis for the platform overall from commerce to training/learning
Margaret Michalski: I am
AJ Brooks: I have four faculty member using SL in the spring
Weave Oldrich: I introduced SL to all of my college administrators at their annual retreat.
Leal Choche: yes
Bracken Homewood: I presented a paper at a conference on using skype and SL to teach ESL
EllCee Tabak: Weave introduced me :)
Oronoque Westland: I am...though with some anxiety
Portia Foxclaw: I may be - just setting up and waiting for approval
AJ Brooks: do you think virtual worlds are more acceptable in EDU now?
Erectus Amat: one year ago i published my book in portuguese about sl and education: http://blog.joaomattar.com/13/
Teachergirl Razor: I also got university land to create a virtual collaboratorium
AJ Brooks: compared to a year ago?
Jeremy Kabumpo: And beginning of the fragmentation of servers from a core to distributed model in OpenSim
Weave Oldrich: I still get some snickering when I talk about it in administrative meetings, but the executives see the potential
DWhisp3rs Namanari: yes, more acceptable, but not largely so
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think so, AJ--I don't get the lunchroom jokes as much as "what is going on in there for teachers?"
Tuxedo Ninetails: I think the Gartner comments are helping.
EllCee Tabak: yes there is still reservations in Dean's level...
Leal Choche: not quite -
Plato Pizzicato: marginal improvement
Tuxedo Ninetails: And locally the Aus/NZ Horizon Report is also very helpful.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Our I.T. folks totally get it now
Weave Oldrich: I told them that I attended a benefit for Galveston relief in-world that raised over $1000 of real US dollars and that got their attention!
Kita Coage: accepted that there will be more of them in edu, but not yet not teachers
AJ Brooks: maximo is having a good time dancing up a storm here
Kita Coage: not yet accepted by teachers
Teachergirl Razor: I skate
Kita Coage: in Norway :)
AJ Brooks: ok
Tuxedo Ninetails: Still people who aren't yet engaged often assume that 'online' means 'totally online' and haven't grasped the idea of blended learning
DWhisp3rs Namanari: it is accepted in some circles, but not others
EllCee Tabak: and in Delaware... not accepted as "serious" work
Erectus Amat: vou te cjamar, vamos ver
Oronoque Westland: Maximo is taking the holidays spirit to heart
AJ Brooks: how many of you attended a conference and went to a session on SL this year
Kita Coage: Europe has a problem with teen sl
Erectus Amat: i did
EllCee Tabak: i did
Plato Pizzicato: i did
DWhisp3rs Namanari: i did
Oronoque Westland: yes, I attended several
AJ Brooks: either in SL or in the non-virtual world
Kita Coage: I did
Tuxedo Ninetails: I did
Teachergirl Razor: I went to over 10 conferences, mostly library but also 2 Women's Studies
Tuxedo Ninetails: Three I think
Teachergirl Razor: in AL
JeanClaude Vollmar: I did too
Teachergirl Razor: in SL
Leal Choche: couple
Oronoque Westland: conferences in-world caught my admins attention, especially in light of the budget cuts
AJ Brooks: ok - how many of you PRESENTED on SL at a conference , in SL or non-virtual world
AJ Brooks: I did
DWhisp3rs Namanari: i did
Erectus Amat: i did
Teachergirl Razor: 3 non-SL 1 SL
Jeremy Kabumpo: i did
Plato Pizzicato: i did
Dr Xue: i did
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I did--at CCCC--our major venue in writing
Bracken Homewood: me
Kita Coage: I present every Tuesday night at ISTE - :) yey
AJ Brooks: how many of you would attend a major conference held here in SL
Pathfinder Linden attended and presented at conferences both in RL and in SL the past year. but more in SL than in RL. planning even more in SL in the coming year.
EllCee Tabak: sign me up
Kita Coage: as a docent that is
Teachergirl Razor: yey Kita
Manifrey Guisse: I wd
Pathfinder Linden likes saving time and $
Plato Pizzicato: i would attend conf in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--with travel costs as they are, I'm doing two presentations w/in SL for RL confs
Davidovic Dean: oh yes, several times, but not exclusively on SL, also about competing VWs, like OpenSim ;-)
WychElm Homewood: conferences in SL seem to be majorly lagged
EllCee Tabak: it would never happen budgetwise for me any other way
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: not found too much lag when we did confs on this campus
Tuxedo Ninetails: I would
Plato Pizzicato: its as much about saving time, as money
AJ Brooks: well - forget the budget issue for a second since many SL conference do not cost anything
Oronoque Westland: DEFINITELY
AJ Brooks: but if there were a two day conference, how many of you would attend
EllCee Tabak: and even better about inworld conference, you are not limited to networking afterwards
DWhisp3rs Namanari: depends
Johnny5 Hudson: I would
Tuxedo Ninetails: I would. I did.
Margaret Michalski: I would
Teachergirl Razor: lag and sometimes media problems are the obstacles I have encountered
Portia Foxclaw: i would depending on the time of course
Tuxedo Ninetails: Attend in SL that is
Plato Pizzicato: i would be there at selected times
Tuxedo Ninetails: I don't care about lag. It'
Bracken Homewood: yes...times zones are an issue
Kita Coage: depends on the content ...
Bracken Homewood: depends on the content
Kita Coage: YES - could someone delete them PLEASE
Tuxedo Ninetails: It's just a glitch, like the photocopier jamming or the presentation PD not working right away.
Johnny5 Hudson: yes, content would be a factor
Pathfinder Linden: i love how some of these meetings are collaborative efforts. like this upcoming one sponsored by the Alliance Library System and Learning Times. http://www.steppingintovirtualworlds.org (I'm speaking at that one, too)
AJ Brooks: ok - so, other than conferences, has anyone published anything about SL and education?
EllCee Tabak: not yet :)
Jarrad Voom: yes
AJ Brooks: yes
Plato Pizzicato: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: readers still have it :)
Teachergirl Razor: one of my phd students has
Kita Coage: I publish on my blog all the time :)
Davidovic Dean: We have used SL the other way round. Organizing a live conference, with interactive SL attendance, and also speakers from all over the world speeking through Skype + WebCam. Couple of beamers and cameras and then integrating everyth, of course make sure u have a pretty strong wireless connection available.
DWhisp3rs Namanari: know of a few who have
AJ Brooks: blogs are great, I was more referring to a juried publication
Pathfinder Linden would love to see a centralized place that keeps track of all the published papers involving SL
Margaret Michalski: not yet but some people interested in SL are looking for publications.
Johnny5 Hudson: Dwhispe3rs has
Oronoque Westland: no publications yet, but research papers
Davidovic Dean: see eg http://www.eduverse.org/index.php/symposium2/
AJ Brooks: well - perhaps the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds CG could do that via connect.educause.edu
DWhisp3rs Namanari: I'd host the papers on my server
Teachergirl Razor: Pathfinder that would be wonderful particularly since they are all over -- maybe we could all contribute what we have found to a central place
AJ Brooks: ok - so conference and papers....not a bad start
Johnny5 Hudson: http://www.iversity.net/other/Education_MUVE.pdf
Erectus Amat: besides my book (http://blog.joaomattar.com/13/), many papers, blog posts and a page (http://blog.joaomattar.com/second-life/), with Google Translate Gadgets
Pathfinder Linden nods at Teachergirl
AJ Brooks: but we need more, right - that is what our industry is based on
Zotarah Shepherd: That would make research for my MA much easier Pathfinder.
AJ Brooks: what else happened big in SL this year
EllCee Tabak: it also helps with Administrators...the pubs you all have already done..
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think that 2009 will feature more calls for papers about VWs, folks-I'm already seeing them
EllCee Tabak: helped me a lot with my Dean
Jeremy Kabumpo: Check out http://sleducation.wikispaces.com
Erectus Amat: sure, Ignatius
AJ Brooks: Jeremy, pitch SimTeach also
Fim Fischer: If someone has a press release about education in SL, i would be glad to publish it on our website, http://1sttouchmagazine.com (just IM me)
AJ Brooks: FIm, join the SLED list, you'll get more news than you can print
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Yes, a biblio-kiosk or something in-world and on the flat Web would rock for student (and my) research..and Fim, that URL will go in our transcript
Johnny5 Hudson: Fim, http://www.pr9.net/comp/internet/9071december.html
Pathfinder Linden: Fim, I keep track of some press on http://delicious.com/secondlife/education. feel free to follow that feed if you are looking for press stories
Zotarah Shepherd: There were many ISTE and TNC presentations, conferences and of course this discussion group.
Johnny5 Hudson: thank you
Fim Fischer: i will, thank you Pathfinder.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 2008 had less sensational SL stories in mainstream media, except for the divorce...that was good news
Erectus Amat: i oriented the fist thesis on SL and education at my university
AJ Brooks: the divorce! LOL
Zotarah Shepherd: Accredited course in SL at Rockcliffe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: fewer...forgot my writing hat
AJ Brooks: and the woman who stalked the guy who dumped her
Plato Pizzicato: that was good :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: true--but we saw good SL coverage too...there's a nice piece at BBC
AJ Brooks: ok - perhaps here is some news. How many of you are from the USA and if not, what country are you in?
EllCee Tabak: maybe we need to make more effort in out-world media release?
Pathfinder Linden thought this piece was amazing: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/21/1a21virtual162313-online-world-immersion-probes-po/?zIndex=25269
Erectus Amat: brasil
EllCee Tabak: USA
Johnny5 Hudson: Midwest, USA
AJ Brooks: USA
Teachergirl Razor: Canada
Davidovic Dean: Netherlands
Zotarah Shepherd: Where can we find those papers that have been done about SL now?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "Doing Business in SL": http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7777485.stm
Plato Pizzicato: usa
Pathfinder Linden: Boston
JeanClaude Vollmar: USA
Kita Coage: Norway
Oronoque Westland: USA
Jeremy Kabumpo: San Jose
Linda Huntress: USA
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Ol' Virginny--USA
Manifrey Guisse: charlottesville, va
DWhisp3rs Namanari: Missouri, USA
Zotarah Shepherd: northern California
YIng Enyo: USA
Pathfinder Linden: Zotarah, aside from doing your standard literature searches, I don't know
Chronos Xaris: Madison , Wisconsin
Al Supercharge: San Fran
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hey Manifrey! I'm an '83 UVA grad :)
Leondra Larsson: Tampa, Florida
AJ Brooks: about 25% from outside the US
AJ Brooks: but that is probably due to the time of the meeting
Johnny5 Hudson: yeah, the time
EllCee Tabak: UVA Arch '78 :)
AJ Brooks: its after 11pm in most of europe
Davidovic Dean: The big trend we are seeing right now is using SL behind firewall for conferences, meetings, collaboration, training & education
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Cavaliers all over :)
AJ Brooks: Davidovic, re: education, behind the firewall?
Davidovic Dean: a lot of big companies are investigating that right now
Zotarah Shepherd: There is a VW research group called the Groove group in Google.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Australia
EllCee Tabak: yes... it is the big trend
Davidovic Dean: yep SL hosted on our own servers
Pathfinder Linden: our behind the firewall solution is in alpha testing right now
AJ Brooks: really?
Davidovic Dean: I could share a press release
AJ Brooks: REALLY?
Pathfinder Linden: really
AJ Brooks: wow - is this news?
Zotarah Shepherd: Great!
AJ Brooks: breaking news here
Pathfinder Linden: M announced it at a conference in London a couple months ago
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: YES--great news too
Johnny5 Hudson: hehe
Davidovic Dean: our research held a 3 day event
AJ Brooks: I didn't catch that
Linda Huntress: When will it be available?
Davidovic Dean: it is already happening
AJ Brooks: when is the plan to go from alpha to beta?
Pathfinder Linden: Linda, we can't give any dates. but we're moving along.
Linda Huntress: This is very interesting ...
Teachergirl Razor: great!
Avatarlina Breen: desculpe mestre, minha conexão tá muito ruim,vou ter que encerrar, acompranharei seus emails. Feliz Festas.
Linda Huntress: Are you looking for beta testers ?
AJ Brooks: this is great news, Path, thanks for the info
Pathfinder Linden: âDespite the many urban myths, it's possible to hold a secure meeting in our hosted Second Life. But people want a solution behind the firewall. We're working on the alpha now. We have alpha customers signed up. And we'll have a beta in the first quarter.
Pathfinder Linden: that's M's quote :)
AJ Brooks: first quarter, nice
Johnny5 Hudson: nice
[happiness all around at this news]
Weave Oldrich: I've wondered about secure meetings.... any pointers on how? I worry people can eavesdrop nearby
Davidovic Dean: remember the announcement form IBM & LL in NYC April @ VW conference?
AJ Brooks: ah - yes
AJ Brooks: gridernauts
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This really will add stability that customers can use
Johnny5 Hudson: any new on cross-platform authentication?
Pathfinder Linden: context of M's quote: http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2008/10/notes-from-vi-2.html
Davidovic Dean: well lets call this phase 1
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Weave, it's a big issue--I'd use a skybox and radar for meetings...there's no SL "Cone of Silence" I know about
AJ Brooks: so - what was other big news of the year for education in SL
AJ Brooks: or that has edu implications
Linda Huntress: Any idea when the Linux client will be out of Beta?
Pathfinder Linden: Linda, I don't know about that
AJ Brooks: what was other big news in SL this year?
Davidovic Dean: I was really impressed by this one. http://slurl.com/secondlife/IBM%20Systems%20EduCenter/154/128/31
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mega for me is the movement between worlds
Tuxedo Ninetails: I'm not sure when that first happened but it is mega
Johnny5 Hudson: AJ, IBM cross-platform auth
Davidovic Dean: It is public and about training on hardware systems, it is a start, but a good one
Johnny5 Hudson: significant I think
AJ Brooks: yes - that was big - gridnauts, they called them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd say other clients that can connect to SL have helped me: Imprudence, OpenLife Client, etc.
Johnny5 Hudson: yes
Tuxedo Ninetails: There are things happening outside of SL in separate environments. I think SL might be an ideal orientation environment before people go elsewhere
Davidovic Dean: if u only realize how expensive these kind of trainings are
Davidovic Dean: shipping hardware to Europe flying everyone in
AJ Brooks: well - perhaps folks won't go elsewhere, but visit elsewhere and come back here for the community
Davidovic Dean: now you can analyze new hardware in SL
AJ Brooks: Community, to me - is the big thing of 08
Johnny5 Hudson: indeed AJ
AJ Brooks: Community is what makes SL for us, I think
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes exactly AJ
AJ Brooks: not just the builds, but the community that supports it
Teachergirl Razor: Yes AJ
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--I spend time in OpenLife but it's empty so far--and even for students to study, they need subject matter...community
Johnny5 Hudson: Ho Ho Ho
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Santa!
Tuxedo Ninetails: AJ I have a question I'd like to put to everyone if that's ok?
Leal Choche: What people don't realize is the VW are actually quite "real"
Al Supercharge: Mewee Crismash
EllCee Tabak: I agree Leal... I hope to study that in future
Portia Foxclaw: I must apologise but I need to leave the meeting. It is the morning here and I have commitments. Merry Christmas to all!
Johnny5 Hudson: and to all a good night
Tuxedo Ninetails: Bue Portia1
Erectus Amat: bye portia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Merry Christmas, Portia
Teachergirl Razor: merry xmas and happy holidays
AJ Brooks: we have 28 people here today - less than 24 hours from the xmas festivities
AJ Brooks: that's pretty amazing to me, the display of community
Zotarah Shepherd: Happy Holidays Portia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tux, your questions?
Johnny5 Hudson: community is everything
AJ Brooks: so we have gridnauts, community, secure environments
AJ Brooks: what else?
Al Supercharge: well in 2008 because of new TOUCH commands we now have things like a purely SL BLACKBOARD
Johnny5 Hudson: res publica non dominontuer
Tuxedo Ninetails: What is the one (or two if you haveto) thing without which SL would lose it's appeal for you?
AJ Brooks: community is the ONE thing.
Linda Huntress: Stability of Client Hardware Platforms is important as well..
AJ Brooks: I would not be into this if I didn't have people to associate with
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tux--1) user content and 2) user content
EllCee Tabak: ditto ditto ignatius
Bracken Homewood: Voice
Jeremy Kabumpo: EllCee - for research on "VWs are real" check Nass & Reeves - Media Equation, Nick Yee's Proteous Effect...
Bracken Homewood: I teach languages, and Voice is a must
AJ Brooks: voice? if there was no voice you'd leave SL?
AJ Brooks: wow - ok
EllCee Tabak: if i have an idea, i can make it happen here
Bracken Homewood: yes
Weave Oldrich: If it turned into playstation home. I just tried that, it was horrible (even though graphically better) -- user content is what makes this world
Linda Huntress: Any recommendations on computer configurations for ED ?
Teachergirl Razor: creative user workarounds
Zotarah Shepherd: Connection with other educators.
Zotarah Shepherd: and ability to build.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jeremy, you'll enjoy Edward Castronova's book Exodus to the Virtual World--part of it about how our "old brain" reacts to on-screen events as real.
Bracken Homewood: without voice in SL I would go back to skype
AJ Brooks: when did voice come out?
AJ Brooks: 07?
Teachergirl Razor: re Castronova -- thought it was interesting
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Linda, whatever the OS (says the Mac fanatic): lots of RAM and a good video card
Bracken Homewood: 18 months ago
AJ Brooks: right - aug 07
Bracken Homewood: just when I joined it :)
AJ Brooks: that what I thought
Pathfinder Linden: voice hasn't been around that long
Pathfinder Linden: folks were using Skype before we implemented voice
Johnny5 Hudson: voice translation? TTS?
AJ Brooks: i think it came out right before SCC Chicago
Bracken Homewood: yes i taught English with skype
Johnny5 Hudson: pass voice thru ATT TTS?
Bracken Homewood: I tried out SL when voice was coming in
Johnny5 Hudson: txt I mean...translated
Teachergirl Razor: I have been at two voice conferences and they were a mess because it was a cacophony
Manifrey Guisse: thanks for the Castronova reference Ignatius..
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right--voice works best in small groups only
Davidovic Dean: For newbees voice is still quite complicated, we do often training and talking over an ordinary telephone line
Bracken Homewood: yes, I teach building and scripting in SL now..in voice
Kita Coage: I always loose sound, so I hate it when conferences do voice
AJ Brooks: people still have not learned voice etiquette
AJ Brooks: turning mics off
AJ Brooks: or on
Tuxedo Ninetails: Voice works ok also as a presenter/interrviewer medium with audience texting
AJ Brooks: not knowing when to speak or wait
Leal Choche: voice = confusion text = minimal (important) is said - it seems
Bracken Homewood: yes..audiences have to mute their mics
AJ Brooks: there are no visual cues in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: also, educators (and transcript providers at these meetings) love text
Bracken Homewood: and preferably ask questions in text
Teachergirl Razor: so sorry folks gotta go Thanks all AJ for moderating, and for my new friends
Johnny5 Hudson: a voice record feature would be nice
Leal Choche: right - need the visual if doing voicewith more than 2
Jeremy Kabumpo: In my own teaching we always seem to settle into a "guy on the soapbox" uses voice. That's usually me - and then we have a semi-formal handoff when a
student needs to start talking. I would prefer a more free-flowing dialog, but they prefer to be OFF STAGE when they can be. Voice activated = on stage
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as with MOOs and MUDs, recursive work with transcripts helps scholars later
Tuxedo Ninetails: ONe of the best sessions I've been to here was a talk with an author recently, with the audience texting madly all the way though
Bracken Homewood: one GREAT improvement in SL would be to allow text correction for a short interval after sending
Manifrey Guisse: I have trouble with voice, but like it in combination with text-chat for large classes
Bracken Homewood: we have that in skype
Ignatius Onomatopoeia puts soapbox on head :)
Bracken Homewood: so people can correct spelling and typos
Leal Choche: trans are very helpful
AJ Brooks: Maximo, check your IMs please
Johnny5 Hudson: indeed Leal, translation
Johnny5 Hudson: convert voice to txt, pass thru babelfick, then TTS
Bracken Homewood: loool with errors built in at each stage
Pathfinder Linden: Johnny5, I'd love that too :)
Bracken Homewood: it would be like Chinese whispers lol
AJ Brooks: lets go around the table - what is the ONE (and only one) major thing that happened in SL for you this year, pref. related to EDU
AJ Brooks: I'd have to say the EDUCAUSE Review issue
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for me, it was having students build for the first time and link it to writing on their wikis
AJ Brooks: it was big for me, since I had an article in it, but also because it gave credibility on a high level
EllCee Tabak: connection with real world UN NGO project in South Africa to bring design students inworld to work with Township residents on prototype sustainable housing
Margaret Michalski: I have not been in SL very long but th major event would be to do a presentation in SL at the same time as one is being done in RL.
Manifrey Guisse: Taught a course, "remaking places technologically" in which we looked at SL amidst other built environments, made comparisons. some of class happened in-world..students resistant to SL but many won over at end
Plato Pizzicato: my students did a "public" exhibit of projects in SL...was transformational experience
Tuxedo Ninetails: Moving in.,
Weave Oldrich: I gave a presentation at an administrative retreat in April to 50 administrators of the college i work at including the President for 3 hours on Second Life and social networks. They were blown away. A shortened video of the presentation was shown to all 4,000 college employees at inservice and also to our Board of Trustees. Definite interest now.
Johnny5 Hudson: AJ, pedagogical agents
Kita Coage: I've been invited to do a presentation at a big edu conference in norway on sl - in April, because of my blogging on what you all have done :)
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
AJ Brooks: one big thing for you this year
Jeremy Kabumpo: I realized this is a game - and now that we have some semblance of respect from the academy we can start digging into the parts of SL which are gamelike - but also acknowledge that the act of learning this interface is gamelike for some - and torture for others. Just because it is fun to pull apart gadgets for some doesn't mean it is for all.
Johnny5 Hudson: virtual instructors
Leal Choche: is vid on Youtube?
AJ Brooks: toot your own horn, it'll go in the transcript and get posted to the web
Bracken Homewood: I suppose presenting a paper at the RELIVE08 conference
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Getting together with two other masters students and forming our own colloquium. This is totally changed my work as a learner.
Al Supercharge: More sophisticated ways of educating folks on my cause : http://PopulationAlert.org
Zotarah Shepherd grins
Tuxedo Ninetails winks
Johnny5 Hudson: GeoWorlds geosciences sim, http://www.geoworlds.org
Linda Huntress: Is this meetings transcripts going to be posted somewhere?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jeremy, Castronova's book would be a good read b/c he talks at length about the psychology and economics of "fun"
Zotarah Shepherd: Personally I was glad that I completed my SL Multiple Intelligence, got an A for the project and as of today 886 people visited it. I am simply stunned. I am glad that teachers find value is interactive builds as a means of engaging students in SL, especially when the students do it themselves.
AJ Brooks: yes Linda
Linda Huntress: Thanks :)
Bracken Homewood: where exactly?
AJ Brooks: all transcript are located in The HUGE Bldg, just outside this amphitheater to the right
Erectus Amat: i took the teaching and learning in sl course at edtech (boise)
AJ Brooks: we're a few weeks behind, especially now with the students away - but we'll be caught up in Januaray
Davidovic Dean: If I compare 07 with 08 than I see so much momentum for education. It is no longer if education inworld will happen on mass scale, but more when
AJ Brooks: here here
AJ Brooks: and its not even when for me, it HOW BIG!
Jeremy Kabumpo: Plums falling from the NSF tree: http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0835601
EllCee Tabak: i like plums :)
Davidovic Dean: i would say, even huge is an understatement ;-)
AJ Brooks: i'd agree
Linda Huntress: With the high cost of travel this medium is the way forward :)
AJ Brooks: i've presented a number of times on how VW will change education the way we've been promised with things like TV, cassette, and even the web - but none kept the promise
AJ Brooks: ok - well, we just about out of time, we're actually overtime but started late, so.....we'll be doing more year in review next week and then our special guest panel on the 6th - you don't want to miss that one
Davidovic Dean: integrating of serious gaming, VWs, soaica lsoftware, Moodle, Sloodle. peer2peer learning etc.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes, Linda..as much as I've moaned at times in my blog about stability, crashes are rarer now--we pulled off EDUCAUSE 08 very well
AJ Brooks: For those of you already celebrating a holiday, happy Festival of Lights
Linda Huntress: This has been most informative:)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks AJ! I'll work up a transcript tomorrow
AJ Brooks: for those of you celebrating in the next few days, Merry Christmas
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and to all...a good night :)
AJ Brooks: and for those not celebrating at all - enjoy a break from things
Fim Fischer: Merry Christmas !
Margaret Michalski: Is it possible to have a list of SL publications available with the transcripts
AJ Brooks: great group for a holiday meeting
EllCee Tabak: happy Allidays to all!!
AJ Brooks: and I didn't even offer cookies
AJ Brooks: :-)
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, huge group.
Jeremy Kabumpo: margaret "list of SL publications" ??
Linda Huntress: No cookies ?
Margaret Michalski: I would like to see a list of publications available . My committe would like to see them.
AJ Brooks: i ate them all, sorry Linda
Margaret Michalski: they are not convinced with just my word.
Jeremy Kabumpo: you mean publications published in SL?
Bracken Homewood: or about SL?
Margaret Michalski: publications on SL
AJ Brooks: oh god - antoher Pathfinder snowball
Jeremy Kabumpo: meaning ref journal?
Bracken Homewood: google...there are HEAPS in every forum!
Pathfinder Linden: lol
AJ Brooks: if you want articles, check the August EDUCAUSE Review
Pathfinder Linden: i love those
Pathfinder Linden waves
Margaret Michalski: journals preferred
Davidovic Dean: thanks everyone, and enjoy Christmas
AJ Brooks: its entirely online but also in print
Jeremy Kabumpo: it is a regular lit review - keywords would include second life - but also multi-user virtual environment, virtual world...
Margaret Michalski: just a list of articles and journal would be enough. I can take it from there
Linda Huntress: Any idea when the next meeting might be?
AJ Brooks: we meet each week
Jeremy Kabumpo: http://simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=References
AJ Brooks: every Tuesday
AJ Brooks: at 2:30pm SLT
AJ Brooks: same bat time, same bat channel, right here
Erectus Amat: i will be able to attend the meetings this semester. . . finally
AJ Brooks: excellent, saw your IM the other day, but only after you signed off
Linda Huntress: Ok thanks, I am new here ..
AJ Brooks: we'll have to find some time to chat, after the holiday
AJ Brooks: new people are MOST welcome, Linda
Linda Huntress: Thanks, I have enjoyed this evening very much
AJ Brooks: Margaret, I'm sure a simple lit search will pull up LOTS of stuff, and EDUCAUSE is THE premier Higher Ed organization
AJ Brooks: so that Review magazine will turn some heads
Bracken Homewood: cheerio and Happy Christmas and New Year everyone.
Johnny5 Hudson: you as well
AJ Brooks: aside from the five main articles, the rest of the magazine is FILLED with examples, mini articles, etc,,,,
Erectus Amat: so next Tuesday and the following, w/ no breaks?
AJ Brooks: nope - no rest for the weary AJ
Margaret Michalski: Thanks, I have been trying PubMed and other search engines with little luck
Johnny5 Hudson: this has been great, thank you everyone, happy holidays
Zotarah Shepherd: Our teen manager rezuated to this grid a few days ago and came back as an approved adult the next day. So other students who turn 18 before the end of semester should be able to do the same. There is still the problem of college classes in SL for under18 years old.
Jeremy Kabumpo: how we throw snowballs?
Zotarah Shepherd: mouselook and aim the crosshairs and click
Jeremy Kabumpo: well, someone have an object? :-)
Snowball Thrower whispers: Use Mouselook (press 'M') to shoot me.
Snowball Thrower whispers: Choose 'Detach' from my menu to take me off.
Zotarah Shepherd: There yah go Jeremy
Zotarah Shepherd waves to Margaret
AJ Brooks: um - you're going to wet the carpet in here
WychElm Homewood: bye :)
AJ Brooks: HEY!
AJ Brooks: STOP THAT
Zotarah Shepherd: This is carpeting AJ?
Jeremy Kabumpo: hey hey
Kita Coage: Happy meetings to all of you who do not plan to attend this x-mas :)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Zo that's brilliant!
Jeremy Kabumpo: SORRY :-p
Tuxedo Ninetails: What a great way of handling the awkward age!
Zotarah Shepherd: About the teen Tux?
Kita Coage: Anybody here who are in the teen grid?
Tuxedo Ninetails nods at ZO
AJ Brooks: I am
Jeremy Kabumpo: Zai Jian!
Iggy O's note: To my friends from the Roundtable, let me take this opportunity, if you are still reading this, to wish you health and prosperity in 2009. If you stopped reading, the snow monster is already on its way to get you!