Transcript of Dec. 16 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Location: Montclair State Virtual Campus
Topics: What Would Make Us Consider Other Virtual Worlds for Teaching; SLOODLE in SL
Iggy's Note: AJ Brooks was out sick today, so I convened the group. I've combined remarks for clarity and eliminated many personal remarks for yes/no replies unless they clarify a remark. I've also added links to URLs in the transcript (all will open in new tabs or windows).
Links mentioned in our discussion:
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, let's start...we'll have Pedro McMillan of SLOODLE join us at 3
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to talk about how his project merges course management software with SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: a very promising idea for classes that I may use
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but first, our topic is "what could lure you to try other virtual worlds in your classes?"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: before we begin, let's introduce ourselves
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no one new here so I'll skip the usual announcements
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm Joe Essid, Writing Center & WAC Director, U of Richmond
Margaret Michalski: I am Margaret, University of Illinois at Chicago
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc in RL), and am the VP for IT and the University of Northwestern Ohio
Profdan Netizen: I'm Dan Holt, professor at Lansing Community College in lansing Michigan. I teach fy comp, creative writing and an occasional film class. Online teaching for 11 years, just now exploring SL for online classes.
Robby Kowalski: Robby Dittmann, Enrollment Counselor, Darton College - Online Division
AstroGrl Enzo: Danny Martino, Professor of Astronomy, Santiago Canyon College.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, M IT Ed student at Melbourne University, instructional designer, teacher etc. Just set up Rural Learning Network on Montclair CHSSSouth
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Tux, can we tour that?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: maybe after the meeting if you have time...I work on a RL farm on weekends :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Let's begin with a point or two--more virtual worlds are coming online now
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I've been looking at Sony's Home and Avatar Reality's Blue Mars
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but they are entertainment worlds--little or no user-made content
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes Iggy - it's almost nothing yet, but it has a nice garden. :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: great! thanks Tux
Profdan Netizen: Project Wonderland.
Margaret Michalski: So, no sign of education on these virtual sites
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and is is edu-friendly?
Profdan Netizen: It is both business and education focused.
Profdan Netizen: Very much focused on collaboration.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: could you tell us more--is it a metaverse like SL or a series of projects like Open Sim?
Profdan Netizen: And use of 2D applications in world.
Profdan Netizen: I haven't explored it a lot, but it's not nearly as expansive as SL.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: To met it seems that collaboration, community, content--these make SL special for education.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what else makes a virtual world worth our whiles?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: OpenLIfe is promising but lacks community so far
Margaret Michalski: How is the pricing of these other virtual worlds?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Open Life is cheaper to own land than SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and has no working economy--they use some sort of "credits"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what about Wonderland?
Robby Kowalski: a little cheaper or a lot cheaper?
Margaret Michalski: I would like to see a virtual world where you don't need additional software applications such as a course management program.
Profdan Netizen: It's being developed by Sun, but I'm not sure of costs.
Margaret Michalski: Do these other virtual worlds work on the same concept of money to purchase ites etc.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm looking for pricing at OpenLife--cannot find it quickly
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we're talking about costs and features of other virtual worlds
Profdan Netizen: Here's a demo walkthrough on Youtube of Project Wonderland
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: OpenLife is less crowded than SL but has all the bugs +more
Oronoque Westland: Hello everyone...just rushed into my office from class
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's built on SL open-source code
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so you can upload some content--textures in my experience
Profdan Netizen: Iggy, any age restrictions in OpenLife?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: don't know...
Margaret Michalski: The one thing I really don't like about SL is the inability to undo most actions.
Margaret Michalski: Do any of you have this problem?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you mean when building?
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes!
Robby Kowalski: yeh, I hate when i accidentally move something and can't just tell it to go back where it was
Oronoque Westland: I agree about the inadequate undo feature
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you can go back one step only
Tuxedo Ninetails: There is no 'oops' button!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: with Cntrl or (for us Mac heads) Apple Z
Margaret Michalski: The other day I accidentally deleted my building. Since I had a backup no major damage was done.
Oronoque Westland: too many times when I need to start from scratch
JeanClaude Vollmar: That's so true. We're so used to most apps having multiple undoes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ouch--I make copies of big builds but
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: your deletion should be in your trash can
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: by the way, we all might benefit from something that Au noted in New World Notes
Oronoque Westland: when I am using someone else's application (let's say creating a virtual room) it is not always clear that making copies along the way accomplishes very much
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rezzable is promoting using Open Simulator to do builds that later come into the main grid
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they cite lower costs--no fee to upload textures I guess
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you have to set up your own server--something I'm eager to try at Richmond
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does anyone here work with Open Simulator?
Robby Kowalski: nope
Margaret Michalski: No, but it does sound interesting.
JeanClaude Vollmar: You have to watch sizing in OS. 10 meter limits in SL but not in OS
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: have you built much in OS, JeanClaude?
JeanClaude Vollmar: No, but I used it to try and blow the SL limit
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I tried using some "legacy" big prims in SL today and they got auto-resized to 10x10
JeanClaude Vollmar: What happened as it sized back down in SL. LOL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but the bigger Q is: what WOULD make you consider teaching in another virtual world? Cost? Security?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: something else?
JeanClaude Vollmar: Just don't want to make a big build thinking it'll transfer over exactly
Robby Kowalski: cost and ease of use
JeanClaude Vollmar: I would think that cost of moving if you've done a LOT of work in one then want to move to another.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so a more intuitive interface? Home and Blue Mars promise (grin) that
Margaret Michalski: In my opinion the key to any virtual world is for it to be user friendly.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yeah--we all have time and $ invested in SL builds
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Pedro! Come on in and grab a seat!
Robby Kowalski: Yeah, I think a lot of the folks I'm trying to sell on SL are put off trying to learn the interface.
Pedro McMillan: hi thanks.... still rezzing in.... slowly.....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This is the sort of info LL needs from this group
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: b/c they come by often enough
Profdan Netizen: Not only more intuitive interface, Iggy, but one that has a much easier 2D/3D interaction.
Robby Kowalski loves the merry-go-round!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pedro, thanks for joining us--we're finishing up a discussion of other Virtual worlds and what might lure us :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Profdan--important point...Wonderland promises that?
Tuxedo Ninetails: What are some ways that the interface could be easier to use?
Profdan Netizen: They do.
Robby Kowalski: As a marketer, I can say it's always easier to sell people on the name brand
Robby Kowalski: that's probably SL's biggest advantage right now. Even people who don't know what it is have heard of it.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I understand 2D/3D to mean, say, designing offline with our desktop apps
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: do you mean something else?
Profdan Netizen: Or being able to use 2D applications easily in world with others, seemless access and collaboration.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good point, Robby--warts and all, folks recognize the name Second Life
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Profdan, the Lindens have been promising some sort of interface like that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: this is a great place to introduce you all to Pedro
Robby Kowalski: The article in EDUCAUSE really helped the name recognition.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and have him introduce himself and SLOODLE :)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Hi Pedro :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: b/c it seems to promise that sort of 2d/3D connection
Pedro McMillan: hello all!
Robby Kowalski: welcome Pedro
Pedro McMillan: short-version... I'm Peter Bloomfield from the University of the West of Scotland
From L: Pedro, Oronoque, AstroGrl
Pedro McMillan: and SLOODLE is an integration of Moodle and Second LIfe
Pedro McMillan: (sorry... getting some chat lag here...)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Don't worry - I've got brain lag.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: np--and Moodle is an open-source course-management system?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll grab some URLs for the transcript while y'all chat
Pedro McMillan: yes indeed... Moodle is GPL, as is SLOODLE
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.sloodle.org/moodle/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://moodle.org/
Pedro McMillan: we are primarily a research project, so we're trying to get academic credibility behind everything we're doing
Robby Kowalski: GPL?
Pedro McMillan: oh sorry... General Public License.... means you can do whatever you like with it and the source, for free
Pedro McMillan: source code*
Pedro McMillan: you can modify it, customize it, throw it out a window... etc. :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia already threw Blackboard out a window :D
Robby Kowalski: can you throw it out a Mac instead of a Window? :)
JeanClaude Vollmar claps
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Tuxedo Ninetails very good!
Pedro McMillan: I couldn't possibly comment on such matters... :-)
Margaret Michalski: On your location I noticed that Sloodle come with an entire toolkit of some sort. What do they do?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's exciting that you offer in-world classes on SLOODLE
Pedro McMillan: what we've produced is a set of tools which connect from Second Life into Moodle
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: now that is the sort of thing I've never seen in other virtual worlds
Pedro McMillan: for example, the "WebIntercom" connects SL text chat to a Moodle text chatroom (real-time, 2 way)
Profdan Netizen: Speaks to SL's maturity.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia nods
Pedro McMillan: or the "PrimDrop" lets your students submit 3d objects in SL as assignments to Moodle
Pedro McMillan: the overall goal is to provide useful tools, and educators can use as many or as few of them as they like
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pedro--that alone would encourage me to use it next year
Pedro McMillan: glad to hear it! We always like feedback
Zotarah Shepherd: Sorry I am late. Overlap with a presentation on social presence.
Pedro McMillan: good or bad... we need to know what educators would find useful and what you would find totally useless
Tuxedo Ninetails: I saw the video from the Moodle Moot conference yesterday and suddenly my interst in SLoodle has gone from marginal to front and centre.
Robby Kowalski: Hi Zotorah!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the only way to do that is to get us working with students in-world
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Robby
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Heya Z
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Iggy
Profdan Netizen: Do you have a URL, Tux?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pedro is discussing how SLOODLE works
Margaret Michalski: At some locations I have seen a Sloodle tool that requires you to register your avatar. Is that required for it to work?
Pedro McMillan: as far as I am aware, we still have the capacity to offer free land and Moodle hosting to educators who want to use SLOODLE... on the condition that we get tofollow your progress for our research! :-)
Zotarah Shepherd: I have been to 2 SLOODLE presentations and still do not understand it. lol
Pedro McMillan: yes, SLOODLE needs to know which avatar belongs to which Moodle account
Profdan Netizen: Makes sense.
Pedro McMillan: so for example, if I take a quiz in SL as "Pedro McMillan", the Moodle system needs to know that I am "Peter Bloomfield" in real life to store my grades
Pedro McMillan: (it doesn't have to work with real names though.... any names are fine)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: what intrigues me is that it makes the course material more connected to the 3D world--we had a wiki and lots of HTML links but you cannot easily export SL text outside
Robby Kowalski: if you didn't, it would be like trying to run a RL class where no one put their names on their papers.
Pedro McMillan: good analogy Robby!
Pedro McMillan: unfortunately, sharing data such as text is still quite hard... although the SLOODLE Toolbar does let you write blog entries from in SL
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: My avatar's alt messed up my paper, prof!
Pedro McMillan: (even got it working with Twitter and Blogger recently)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pedro, those are quantum leaps for educators
Profdan Netizen: What about asynchronous discussion board postings, Pedro?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Robin, Hi Buddy
Pedro McMillan: here is Buddy.... my supervisor, and a founder of the SLOODLE project
Buddy (on R)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: grab a seat and we'll keep talking SLOODLE
Buddy Sprocket: just spying on pedro ;-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: he's sold me--give him a raise!
Robby Kowalski: He likes my analogies -- give him a raise!
Dirk Talamasca is Online
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: b/c as good as pbwiki was for the writing and photography, it was still a clumsy linkage
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does Moodle allow guest access?
Margaret Michalski: Sloodle bring a good amount of promise for people from all areas of education.
Pedro McMillan: you can configure Moodle to allow guests in, yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: This was my biggest problem with Blackboard--it was never easily done
Pedro McMillan: you can also set it up with SLOODLE to automatically let guest avatars in too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we comp teachers love to steal from each other's syllabi
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good--b/c promoting the work within SL is one way to recruit others to use it
Profdan Netizen: Definitely, Iggy.
Robby Kowalski: So now I have to sell my school o Second Life AND Moodle. :(
Margaret Michalski: On your location I noticed that you hold weekly meetings. Do you have to join a specific group to attend those meetings?
Oronoque Westland: not just comp (heehee)...it's called collaboration
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Robby, we'll make selling others the first topic of 09--it's critical
Robby Kowalski: thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: once you see the real possibilities of any technology
Pedro McMillan: you don't have to join a group, although we have the "SLoodlers" group for announcements
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: as our school did, they'll support you
Robby Kowalski: We're currently state-bound to WebCT Vista
Profdan Netizen: Well, that won't work for us. Our campus uses Angel--though I understand, Buddy and Pedro, that work is being done with integrating Angel to SL.
Pedro McMillan: we have community meetings every Tuesday at 2pm SLT, and Introductory 101 classes about SLOODLE every Wednesday at 2pm SLT
Buddy Sprocket: yeah Profdan, that is a project Jeremy Kemp has been working on
Margaret Michalski: Pedro, where is this class located?
Buddy Sprocket: keeping the SL side open source, he's able to use SLOODLE code
Oronoque Westland: selling is really important...I thought I had my admin sold, then they asked LL a question via the web and got back a closed ticket with a boiler plate response...went over really bad...the admin said it was very unbusinesslike
Pedro McMillan: the class and meetings happen on "Sloodle" island
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll put in your SLURL here too for the transcript: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sloodle/128/128/2
Pedro McMillan: not much will be happening now until a week or two into 2009 though
Oronoque Westland: only one meeting...I thought it was two
Margaret Michalski: thanks for the information
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: btw, Pedro & Buddy--we publish these on my Mac.com Webspace every week. I'll drop you the URL later
Robby Kowalski: Gang, this my friend Artemis.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hi Artemis
Buddy Sprocket: hi
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if anyone wants to join our group
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it's open enrollment--low spam
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I can invite you too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we mostly use it for announcing this meeting and in-world classes
Artemis Curtis: greetings
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: May I pick our SLOODLErs brains?
Pedro McMillan: ok, but be gentle..... :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: What do you folks see as the next big steps in virtual worlds?
Buddy Sprocket: ditto
Ignatius Onomatopoeia picks gently
Pedro McMillan: yikes, big question....
Ignatius Onomatopoeia chuckles--we Lebanese are not known for our gentle ways :)
Buddy Sprocket: that is a big one :-)
Profdan Netizen: What about asynchronous discussion board postings between SL and Moodle?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I mean, do you think we'll see more and more 2D/3D integration for education?
Pedro McMillan: I would suspect some big steps will be in the realm of interface.... such as using a Nintendo-Wii type controller or whatever to navigate and interact
Buddy Sprocket: my very short answer is "more"
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: there is a new mouse I'm eager to try for driving my fake car in SL :)
Profdan Netizen: Can you use a joy stick, Iggy?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: do you use on in SL?
Profdan Netizen: I don't.
Buddy Sprocket: i think some people expect more homogeneity, to be able to have virtual worlds where avatars and content can travel (more or less) freely between them
Robby Kowalski: I've discovered that mouselook is a little tough on the new mac touchpads
Buddy Sprocket: i think i expect more diversity
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: for students, it would be nice to have more intuitive interfaces, like Wii
Buddy Sprocket: more vw's tuned to different audiences and needs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Mouselook works okay with an external keyboard on PC or Mac
Oronoque Westland: are there 3rd parties hosting SLOODLE who sell their services, like with MOODLE?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Buddy--that may be the direction that Home and Blue Mars signal
Pedro McMillan: for me, the most common question regarding 2d/3d integration in SL is PowerPoint and webpages... constantly...
Pedro McMillan: integration*
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: some clearly entertainment only VWs with stunning graphics but little user content
Profdan Netizen: Being able to look at ppt and webpages easily in world, Pedro/
Robby Kowalski: hear, hear! I'd love to be able to show a website, rather than just give a link.
Pedro McMillan: yes Profdan
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We Mac users would love to be able to capture video again
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LL says its an Apple problem
Pedro McMillan: there are ways and means of 'faking' webpages in-world... but nothing clean and slick
Buddy Sprocket: @ Oronoque Westland: ninehub.com offer free sloodle hosting; with free adverts to go with it ;-)
Buddy Sprocket: and I believe that moodlerooms now install SLOODLE on request
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we've been promised "Web on a prim" for a while from LL
Profdan Netizen: Yeah, we really would benefit from easily moving from one web page to the next while in world with students.
Oronoque Westland: how about without adverts (smile)
Buddy Sprocket: moodleroom, oronoque, but you have to pay for that!
Pedro McMillan: Profdan... I've been working on a SLOODLE tool to do that.... the "Presenter"... lets you step through a sequence of webpages, images or videos which are hosted on the web
Buddy Sprocket: sorry moodlerooms
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: So you all think that "convergence," broadly defined, will be a next step?
Oronoque Westland: sorry, what's moodleroom?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Pedro--like a vendor interface works in-world?
Profdan Netizen: Sounds very cool, Pedro.
Buddy Sprocket: a greater diversity of converged solutions
Margaret Michalski: Pedro, how far along are you with this "Presenter"?
Buddy Sprocket: moodlerooms.com is a commercial moodle host; they will install sloodle on request afaik, but they are not a free service
Profdan Netizen: I think convergence has to happen soon, Iggy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Buddy--that quotation is going as a call-out in the blog--maybe Au will run it too
Pedro McMillan: it works fully, but it still needs the interface made prettier!
Buddy Sprocket: lol
Pedro McMillan: (I've been meaning to make an experimental release of new SLOODLE features.... but kept getting bogged-down in code management)
Oronoque Westland: thanks Buddy
Pedro McMillan: (silly research getting in the way all the time!)
Robin Mochi: Pedra, can you give an example of what the "Presenter" will do?
Pedro McMillan: it shows a screen, and really just two buttons: forward and back
Margaret Michalski: I plan on using Sloodle for my research and the "presenter" tool would be useful.
Buddy Sprocket: you dont have a video of this do you?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: great for in-world tutorials
Pedro McMillan: in Moodle, you give it a list of URLs to images, videos and webapges.... then you step through it
Pedro McMillan: no video yet... I'll make one tomorrow though if you want? Shouldn't take long!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so it is a bit like, say, a vendor from Hippo Tech
Profdan Netizen: Pedro, can you change the list and order of list on the fly?
Pedro McMillan: I'm not familiar with most vendors I'm afraid.... but I think so Ignatius
Robin Mochi: Pedro, a screen? oh, okay of webpages then?...and what do you mean by "step through it?"
Pedro McMillan: Profdan, you would need to go through Moodle to change the order, but you can in theory change them on the fly
Profdan Netizen: Sounds intriguing.
Pedro McMillan: it is just a single screen, and by "stepping through", I mean you click "next" to move on, and "previous" to go back, in the list of 'slides'
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes--sounds the same. You upload and order content on the Web, then in-world you step through it one screen at a time
Pedro McMillan: ok, yes, that sounds about right
Buddy Sprocket: the trick is it uses html-on-a-prim and parcel media, so no uploading to sl
Robin Mochi: And okay, sounds like then to use Presenter one would have to be using Sloodle too, which if I understand correctly would need to set up by my univ. Moodle admin - correct?
Profdan Netizen: Of course, what would be even better would be the ability to make quick changes in world.
Pedro McMillan: yes indeed Robin.... at the very least, it would require a webserver and database
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I wonder, Profdan, if LL fears they'll lose some uploading revenue from that
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: those 10L fees add up fast
Robin Mochi: okay, thank you
Buddy Sprocket: @ robin - a few sloodle users set up their own (personal or hosted) moodle if they don't have school support, or need to demonstrate it first
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Folks, we are near the end of our meeting
Profdan Netizen: They may, but they will lose educators if they don't allow seamless 2d web access.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: any final questions? I'll stick around a bit and Tux has agreed to give a tour of her build here
Robby Kowalski: Thanks, Pedro
Margaret Michalski: Pedro, thank you for coming.
Buddy Sprocket: I'll just point people to a one page summary of sloodle features if i may
Pedro McMillan: thanks for inviting me! :-)
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, thanks
Profdan Netizen: Yes, very informative and interesting, Pedro.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Profdan--agreed. And folks will use Open Simulator to prototype outside SL
Margaret Michalski: You have answered many important questions.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks Pedro. It's very exciting stuff
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think, folks, at this point, we'll plan to meet in 3 weeks unless AJ says otherwise
Tuxedo Ninetails: Thanks Buddy for coming too.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks again and happy holidays
Margaret Michalski: Thanks
Robin Mochi: thanks all, and thanks for the google doc, Buddy.
Margaret Michalski: Now, I have to go and promote sloogle to others at my institution.
Buddy Sprocket: lol, I ditto Robby
Tuxedo Ninetails: That's the video again for anyone who missed it - Buddy presenting at a Moodle conference
Buddy Sprocket: theres also a video that pedro made
Buddy Sprocket: a bit more recent
JeanClaude Vollmar: Bye everyone. Happy and safe holidays.
Buddy Sprocket: happy yuletide all
[We prepare to teleport to two locations at Montclair State]
Tuxedo Ninetails: I'll give you landmarks
Tuxedo Ninetails: or you can search Rural Learning Network
Tuxedo Ninetails gave you Rural Learning Network, Montclair State CHSSSouth (244, 95, 21).
From L: Tux, Profdan, me, Margaret
[After touring Tux's garden and home, and looking at her video of virtual worlds that assist Australian farmers, we went to Margaret Michalski’s clinic next door]
Margaret Michalski: I am making the second floor a library.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Margaret, I saw so many cool books for free at ICT Library
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: will you have content like that?
Profdan Netizen: Very cool.
Margaret Michalski: I was going to start with links to websites.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Ah, just stand on it.
Margaret Michalski: I will be putting Sloodle in here eventually.
Inside Margaret's Clinic
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good idea--the text files there and in Caledon must be read in-world
Margaret Michalski: That is why I was so excited about the presenter.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: which is slow going unless someone does a SLkindle :)
Margaret Michalski: Medical students are going to use this place to pracitice interviewing patients.