Transcript of Dec. 2 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Location: Montclair State Virtual Campus
Topic: Premium Memberships
Iggy's Note: I've combined remarks for clarity and eliminated many personal remarks for yes/no replies unless they clarify a remark. I've also added links to URLs in the transcript (all will open in new tabs or windows).
Links mentioned in our discussion:
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome.
AJ Brooks: This is the SL Education Roundtable, made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is Premium Memberships
AJ Brooks: A few announcements, before we get started.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, and we keep transcripts of the chat. Past meeting chat transcripts can be found in The HUGE Bldg, just outside the Amphitheater to the right. Enter through the entrance that runs along the canal and make a right.
AJ Brooks: If you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-)
AJ Brooks: On the side wall, here inside the Amphitheater, there is a notecard giver with information on the D.I.D.I program. Click the sign to grab a notecard and "Learn how you can receive up to $1000 USD seed funding for social entrepreneurial ventures with the Dream It. Do It. Initiative in Second Life!"
AJ Brooks: On the other wall is a black circle, which is also a notegiver. The notecard is a Call For Papers for the Journal of Virtual Worlds Research, the theme of the special issue is Pedagogy, EDucation and Innovation in Virtual Worlds.
AJ Brooks: This SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas. Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, IM me and I will send you an invite sometime after this meeting but before I log for the night.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Lastly, there is a program running here on the CHSSSouth island called the CHSSSouth Free Land Initiative. Details can be found in the two notegivers at the base of the outside stairs leading up to this amphitheater. Please wander around the island - tonight after the meeting or come back any time. we're currently up to 20 different educational community members.
AJ Brooks: Aside from this island, and the land initiative, we also have two other educational islands adjoining to the north. There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: We'll start our meeting as we usually do. Please introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, where you are from, and what you do.
AJ Brooks: No need to wait for others to type - go ahead and enter your information right away, we can all catch up in chat history.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Writing Center Director at University of Richmond. One class in SL this semester using our university island for building projects
Philled Graves: Rick Shaw, Director of College Technical Services for Ventura College, Ventura CA
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc) from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm their VP for IT.
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life.
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara PIttman, instructional technologist, cuyahoga community college
Profdan Netizen: I'm Dan Holt, professor at Lansing Community College, Lansing, MI--I teach fy comp, creative writing, film, and have taught online for 11 years.
Max Chatnoir: I manage Genome Island and use it for teaching genetics. I have a class just finishing this semester.
Fred Brecher: I'm Fred Hagemeister, Coordinator of Academic Technologies at University of Richmond.
Pathfinder Linden: John Lester in RL, Pathfinder Linden in SL. I've worked at Linden Lab since 2005 and focus on Market Development in Education and Healthcare.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research Information Specialist at University of Illinois at Chicago doing health behavior research.
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, currently student, formerly teacher, instructional designer er.
Pathfinder Linden: my background is in academia and healthcare. details on http://pathfinderlinden.com
Jimmy Linden: Jim Yang in RL, Jimmy Linden in SL. I'm director of product management.
Steve Appalachia: Steve Appalachia (krogull in RL) - Academic Technology manager at U of Wisconsin - Madison
Max Chatnoir: Oh, I teach biology at Texas Wesleyan in Fort Worth
Pathfinder Linden waves to Jimmy!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: great to have you back, Pathfinder. I want to thank you and Jimmy for coming tonight. We won't gripe this week :D
Jessica Knapp: Laurie Simon, Computer Applications Instructor, Wisconsin Indianhead Technical College
AJ Brooks: Ok - thanks everyone. Oh, one final note - it is really hard for me to keep up with IMs while I run the meeting, but I promise to get back to anyone who IMs me as soon after the meeting as I can.
AJ Brooks: Well - our topic tonight is Premium Memberships
AJ Brooks: Jimmy Linden has joined us, he is working on this issue right now.
AJ Brooks: My introduction to this via email, was do you have a premium membership - if so, why, and if not, why not, and what could be done to make a premium membership more attractive
Raloc Dorado: I do network engineering and related tech support at a university in the UK
AJ Brooks: and with that, I'll turn it over to JImmy
Zotarah Shepherd: Come sit at the table everyone.
Jimmy Linden: Cool. As AJ mentioned, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about the Premium Membership product, particularly as it relates to your needs as Educators, but also as SL Residents in general.
Jimmy Linden: I am in the process of exploring opportunities for us to improve the Premium membership offering. Just to manage expectations
Jimmy Linden: there is no timetable associated with this.
Jimmy Linden: Just collecting ideas and having good dialogue.
AJ Brooks: a straw poll if I may
AJ Brooks: sorry to interrupt
AJ Brooks: but say YES if you have a premium membership
[most of us chime in]
AJ Brooks: ok 9-4
AJ Brooks: so - Jimmy - you now know the audience here
Jimmy Linden: great, well this will be useful learning for both existing Premiums as well as non-Premiums
AJ Brooks: most of us have premium accounts
Tuxedo Ninetails doesn't.
AJ Brooks: those who don't - why not?
Profdan Netizen: I like free.
Tuxedo Ninetails: $$$L
Tuxedo Ninetails: Being relatively new. . .Still figuring out what is going to be best value for my very limited $
Jimmy Linden: for the non-premiums, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what would entice you to upgrade. For the premiums, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you find valuable in the current offering, and more importantly, what we can do to *significantly* increase value to you
Margaret Michalski: I don't due to funding that is why I was exited by your free land initiative
Jimmy Linden: don't be shy :)
Tuxedo Ninetails: A decent income would help.
Philled Graves: value i've found in my premium account is in access to support in my other SL account, as it relates to the sims i admin
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jimmy, I originally got a premium membership to use for classes, but then Richmond got a plot on the mainland, then an island. I still might buy land, but the biggest benefit has been to use my weekly stipend to help pay prizes to students in scavenger hunts!
Philled Graves: but as it relates to my higher ed world, not a lot of need for it
AJ Brooks: that's it for me too - the weekly lindens
Max Chatnoir: Same as Ignatius
AJ Brooks: even tho the lindens do not exceed what I pay
Grinn Pidgeon: I have paid students, given money to friends to buy hair, etc., purchased some small items for my former institution, and I love to by clothes for myself!
Jimmy Linden: btw, if u haven't already been following this topic on the SL blog, we've opened the discussion to all residents. But I'm definitely interested in learning the Educators' perspective. http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=293887&page=1&pp=15
Zotarah Shepherd: I have land on the mainland
AJ Brooks: everyone here either does or does not have a premium account
AJ Brooks: so each unique perspective is so important
AJ Brooks: I guess I got my premium because my school was willing to pay for it
Jimmy Linden: besides the L$ stipend, is there other value today?
Jimmy Linden: do you use the live chat support?
Jimmy Linden: or own mainland?
AJ Brooks: live chat support - I thought that was only for sim owners
Philled Graves: i got my original premium account when the rumors were flying about throttling access to premium accounts first
Zotarah Shepherd: I have and am glad for that.
Raloc Dorado: Well, I originally became premium so that I could own land, back when the first land program was still active, for a year's subscription it's not too expensive although it's getting more expensive as the exchange rate GBP-USD changes and gives me a small amount of L$ to spend
JeanClaude Vollmar: I haven't used live chat, but have logged problems. It's good to have that ability.
Philled Graves: i'll make a point of reviewing the blog threads and commenting
Jimmy Linden: how many of you Premiums are considering canceling within the next year?
AJ Brooks: sorry guys. . .had to do that
Jennette Forager is listening to the Europeans and their concerns about taxes
Philled Graves: nope, not thinking about down grading
Zotarah Shepherd: I plan to keep mine.
Marcia Kjeller: keeping mine
AJ Brooks: i have several avatars - for various reasons, two of them have premium accounts - and I've not considered canceling either of them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I hear some friends say they might, but I'm keeping it--cost is trivial w/ the stipend you provide us
Grinn Pidgeon: At my former institution, I had no funding, but was determined to build a nice space. With the stipend and the built-in tools, I built the island for around $100 US dollars.
AJ Brooks: but I would REALLY like to see some value added to them
Zotarah Shepherd: I only have a premium account for this avatar.
JeanClaude Vollmar: I don't think that I would consider downgrading, unless the price really jumps for some reason. That might me think depending upon by how much.
Philled Graves: define real value AJ
AJ Brooks: something tangible. . .something that I am now paying for - a savings
AJ Brooks: like perhaps tying the educators discount to having a premium account, or a limited number of texture uploads each month, or additional groups
Raloc Dorado: never used live support, personally I think it's really difficult to contact anyone at LL for any type of support. I don't think that I'll cancel my premium yet, but I might have to get rid of some of my land if tier gets too expensive for me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I am not sure that I've have gone premium if Richmond had land earlier...I figured buying land would let me make something that would "stay around" and I could take a tax deduction for my SL expenses.
AJ Brooks: 70+$ each year is less than most household services. . . I pay 2x that for my cable
Jimmy Linden: so I'm hearing that stipends are important. Is this for the economic value of the stipends, or simply the convenience of having a weekly allowance and not having to go through the paperwork of reimbursements?
Philled Graves: i'll throw out there that i've found support to be first rate when i've needed to contact them recently... had a communication problem with one issue, but on the whole support gets good grades from me
AJ Brooks: live chat rocks
AJ Brooks: i used to get a note that no one was available but that hasn't happened in a while
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jimmy, having some SL "mad money" is great. I loan students Linden Dollars constantly :)
AJ Brooks: giving users Lindens doesn't cost LL anything - since most people use them for exchanges with other residents
JeanClaude Vollmar: I agree with Iggy, it's nice to be able to buy fun things every so often too.
AJ Brooks: so giving us MORE than our 72$ in linden would go long way
Jimmy Linden: now now AJ, how could we do that and survive as a company? :)
Max Chatnoir: convenience
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: doesn't Premium give us more support than live chat? I've filed a few tickets with the support network.
Profdan Netizen: Could someone remind us of what a premium acct costs currently? Is it a monthly or yearly fee?
AJ Brooks: but the Lindens don't cost LL anything
Jimmy Linden: /ignatius: yes, you are right.
Raloc Dorado: I only ever used abuse reports that seem to just go nowhere, so live support may be better, I wasn't aware that mainland owners could use that method
AJ Brooks: its like giving people more money in monopoly
Philled Graves: well there would be a cost if all those linden were to be cashed out to US $
Jimmy Linden: /profdan: $72/year if paying annually. . .$10/month if paying monthly
AJ Brooks: odds are people aren't using their stipends to buy land or cash out
Philled Graves: reality is it is unlikely that would occur, but in a currency market it is a risk
AJ Brooks: they are using them for exchanges with other residents or to upload textures
Profdan Netizen: How many Linden dollars do you get?
AJ Brooks: agreed phil
Jimmy Linden: great segue, AJ
AJ Brooks: 300 per week
Max Chatnoir: Yes, mostly, and to give students and "allowance"
Philled Graves: ditto
AJ Brooks: so - how about value in other forms
AJ Brooks: more groups!!!!!!!!
Jennette Forager: yay! more groups!
AJ Brooks: or a limited number of texture uploads each month
Jimmy Linden: let's talk about other things like textures, groups, etc. What would YOU find more valuable than the current benefits in the Premium program?
AJ Brooks: anyone doing education could use that
Max Chatnoir: You mean without charge, AJ?
AJ Brooks: yes - that's exactly what I mean, Max
Profdan Netizen: A significant monthly allotment of textures would tempt me.
AJ Brooks: if you have a premium membership - you get 50 groups (instead of the standard 25) and 100 free texture uploads each month
AJ Brooks: I just made those numbers up
Jimmy Linden: for instance, what if we gave you free uploads? or higher group limits? would this be more valuable than stipends?
Max Chatnoir: How much hassle would the bookkeeping on that be?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: at semester's end, I'm asking students w/ extra Linden Dollars to donate to a charity--unless they plan to return to SL (some say they will)
Jennette Forager: hmmmm.textures!
Philled Graves: those would be of value to me too!
AJ Brooks: its all in the database anyway, it would be built right in
Max Chatnoir: More valuable?
AJ Brooks: but I would not want them INSTEAD of my stipend
AJ Brooks: the stipend is important
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: free uploads would help a lot of educators who build stuff--but I doubt that I do 30 uploads a week
AJ Brooks: it allows me to help the SL economy
Philled Graves: very little hassle in book keeping, it is simply a quota system set into the identity management structure for the accounts
Raloc Dorado: I can see texture uploads being useful to a lot of people but it wouldn't necessarily be a great incentive to encourage people to upgrade
AJ Brooks: groups and textures would only impact LL
AJ Brooks: it would for some of my faculty who have to give L to students for projects
AJ Brooks: they can upload for them instead
Jimmy Linden: interesting use case, AJ
Grinn Pidgeon: In RL, we pay taxes for a better infrastructure and for safekeeping, etc. What could you do to better the Sl world with our money?
AJ Brooks: faculty need to upload texture for presentations
Jimmy Linden: how many of you find yourself giving L$ to other people for spending?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Does Linden Lab still provide semester-long free space to educators? That sort of incentive might really get them juiced up to upgrade
AJ Brooks: i do - not just for me, but for almost all of my faculty who tech here
Philled Graves: i do on a regular basis
Max Chatnoir: Me, too
Marcia Kjeller: I do
Pathfinder Linden: Ignatius, the Campus Second Life program is still going on
JeanClaude Vollmar: Students are essentially "broke", so whatever we can do in regards to helping them get L$ is a plus.
AJ Brooks: perhaps tie that program to premium memberships
JeanClaude Vollmar: They're likely to have free accounts
Pathfinder Linden: details are here: http://simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Campus:Second_Life
AJ Brooks: having people be able to get in for free is a major selling point to our faculty and admins
Max Chatnoir: Yes, definitely.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Pathfinder--it's a great incentive to educators...what if some projects could remain around if they go premium?
AJ Brooks: since I have the premium account, I am constantly giving money to faculty and students to do things
Pathfinder Linden: Ignatius, interesting idea!
Philled Graves: Matador there is an empty seat near Sotarah
Jimmy Linden: how many of you would be interested in buying MORE L$, maybe as a subscription-type of service?
Marc Rexen: The issue we faced was a prohibition against buying "virtual things," thus no ability to add $L.
Profdan Netizen: That would motivate those of us who don't have institutional land to work with, Ignatius.
AJ Brooks: what do you mean, Jimmy
Philled Graves: he's talking about an auto duction process
AJ Brooks: yes - our institutions are funny - especially those of us at state universities
Jimmy Linden: annual fee for certain amount of $L per week
Marc Rexen: If, as part of an Uber-Premium, mores the better, no issue because it's part of the account.
Jimmy Linden: on top of your current stipend, that is
Zotarah Shepherd: I buy Linden$ every month anyway.
AJ Brooks: i can't buy lindens. . . if my stipend doesn't cover it - too bad for me (and my faculty)
Max Chatnoir: I get new Lindens from time to time just to check the process.
AJ Brooks: so I could not upgrade to anything
Raloc Dorado: Yes, free accounts are certainly needed, everyone I know wouldn't be here if access wasn't free to start, it's also important to not introduce restrictions for free residents, because SL is _so_ different from other environments, it's really difficult for someone to get an idea of what it's like without actually being here
Marc Rexen: NMC has "solved this," a bit for SIMs, but it doesn't help on a personal level.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We can spend funds on Linden Dollars (Fred, correct me if I have that wrong) but cannot pay students Linden Dollars except out of pocket
Jimmy Linden: AJ, why can't you buy Linden$
Jennette Forager: so true Raloc....
Jennette Forager: so trials are helpful
Max Chatnoir: I agree, Raloc
AJ Brooks: my university won't allow it
Marc Rexen: University legal.
AJ Brooks: there is no way to track it - in their eyes
Jimmy Linden: /raloc: i agree. we're not looking to restrict free residents.
AJ Brooks: if they pay for something - they want to be able to inventory it
AJ Brooks: now - that is probably because we use tax dollars to fund everything at state universities
Jimmy Linden: interesting, AJ
Jennette Forager nods.....
Marc Rexen: Same reason, inventory.
Jimmy Linden: i'm curious, how many of you (besides AJ) do NOT buy supplemental L$?
Profdan Netizen: But--why can't you pay out of your own pocket, AJ? Like buying photo copies?
Jimmy Linden: i.e., rely solely on your stipends
Jennette Forager: erm....NOT me....
Philled Graves: i do regularly supplement out of my own pocket
Jennette Forager rolls her eyes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jimmy, I camp (to be honest) with my alt when funds get short. Twice I've bought about 5000L
AJ Brooks: ethics can't mix state funds and personal funds. . .even the appearance of impropriety can cause a big problem
Raloc Dorado: I buy L$ whenever I need to buy something that's 'expensive' although expensive usually means less than US$10
Profdan Netizen: Teachers can't buy stuff from their own funds?
Philled Graves: is that an NJ policy/regulation or personal?
Pathfinder Linden: have any of you use a P.O. with us to put US$ credit on your account that you then used to buy L$ for yourself/students? I'm curious.
AJ Brooks: i'm not a teacher, I'm a professional staff person
Margaret Michalski: As a non premium account holder I would like to say that many organizations offering funding put many limitations on what you can and can not do. That is why I do not have a premium account and the University has it own additional rules.
Zotarah Shepherd: If you set up a private account for SL AJ you can buy and send L$ from one to the other.
AJ Brooks: the state of NJ is really cracking down - so everyone is scared to death about doing something wrong, and erring on the side of super caution
AJ Brooks: besides - i have a problem paying for something myself that the college SHOULD be paying for
AJ Brooks: anyway - we get off topic here
Margaret Michalski: yes! that last thing some of us want to end up having to pay out of our own pocket for everything
Zotarah Shepherd: Oh I see NJ has to come into the 21st century.
Max Chatnoir: How in the world do they KNOW that you've bought a few Lindens?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Imagine the furor by some legislators on our spending funds on virtual worlds
Raloc Dorado: I fund my own SL account
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Max, a snarky reporter would break a story, get the facts all mixed up
AJ Brooks nods
Philled Graves: i can see the bean counters getting themselves all in a bunch trying to account for every linden
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: it scares the dickens out of me sometimes
AJ Brooks: anyway - perhaps this can be another conversation - perhaps we can refocus on membership
Zotarah Shepherd: As VW become more accepted as educational platforms I think that will change
Max Chatnoir: Wow, biology professor spends four bucks on Lindens! MAJOR SCANDAL!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Z, you are right
Jennette Forager: someday there will be budgets to draw upon...
Jimmy Linden: for the regulatory-restricted folks, what if we offered a 'bonus pack' for X dollars a year that provided an allowance of Y Linden dollars a week. Does that work for you?
AJ Brooks: what can make the premium membership more valuable
Max Chatnoir: How is that different from a premium account, Jimmy?
AJ Brooks: its not that, jimmy
Marc Rexen: Might pass muster...and what I was thinking of.
AJ Brooks: its that we are buying monopoly money to purchaser fake things sometime in the future
Jimmy Linden: /max: it could be an add-on to get MORE linden dollars
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ, as I said to Pathfinder, a place we could showcase good work for more than a semester (like your dorm-room project)
Philled Graves: the bean counters would still want an accounting of those extra linden
Profdan Netizen: I agree, AJ--the institution should pay.
Jennette Forager: a showcase would benefit all of us....
North Lamar: I have found it easy to get purchases through when you buy in bulk, like $100 Lindens at a time
AJ Brooks: I'd like to see some focus on what can be added to the current plan
Jimmy Linden: ok, let's move off the linden dollars motif. what else would be the MOST valuable in a premium membership?
AJ Brooks: groups!
JeanClaude Vollmar: I would think problem would then come in moving to another institution. What do you do with a non-transferable inventory that was bought with school funds?
Raloc Dorado: different increments for land ownership, I'm pretty much not going to own any more land because I'd have to choose double, which almost doubles the tier
Profdan Netizen: Persistence of space is very important.
AJ Brooks: give me more groups - I'll pay a fee
Jennette Forager: the federal consortium is trying to develop a pool of VW materials
Jimmy Linden: interesting point on land, but as it turns out not as many premium members as you would think actually own mainland
AJ Brooks: its got to cost you more for me to have 3 avs so I can have the number of groups I need, than to just let my one av have more groups
Jennette Forager: so that they can be re-used
Jimmy Linden: AJ, how much would you pay?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: to be honest, I'm happy--but I think a tailored orientation experience for students beyond stage-one skills would help
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd pay out of pocket for that
AJ Brooks: well - I'm already paying a premium, so give me unlimited groups for 72$ a year
Jimmy Linden: don't worry, i'm not making any pricing decisions here :)
North Lamar: I didn't get premium account until this last June when i bought several islands..otherwise i didn't see an advantage in having the account
Zotarah Shepherd: ISTE is doing that Ignatius
Marcia Kjeller: I don't see the value in more groups, unless you are using them in a way I don't know about, for teaching purposes. 25 seems more than adequate
AJ Brooks: NO NO NO
AJ Brooks: oh my goodness
AJ Brooks: lol
Jimmy Linden: marcia has spoken
AJ Brooks: I have group that I belong to professionally, for my own career
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I need to see that before I teach again with SL, Z.
AJ Brooks: I have to set up groups for my faculty
AJ Brooks: i have to set up parcel groups sometimes
Max Chatnoir: I used to think that, too, Marcia. Now I don't
North Lamar: each semester my student teams create groups, usually 5 groups a semester
Philled Graves: it is so easy to hit that 25 max limit it isn't even funny
Pathfinder Linden: we're running a pilot program with ISTE for educators. details: http://secondlifegrid.net/slfe/education-use-virtual-world#pilot
AJ Brooks: i've had to resort to a second avatar just for group creation
Raloc Dorado: I understand that, but I think mainland gives more of a 'world' impression rather than all the 'private' islands which all seem like isolated worlds to me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks for that link!
Zotarah Shepherd: I am doing a 2 hour building class for ISTE this Saturday 4pm slt Ignatius
Raloc Dorado: but that's the point really that some people want that isolation
AJ Brooks: i want our space to be set aside
North Lamar: me to
AJ Brooks: I do NOT want to be part of the mainland
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: looking forward to sharing this.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ, I have to leave early...please send me the rest of the transcript and I'll edit it tomorrow
[the rest is courtesy of AJ--I wish I'd been present to BEG the Linden Lab folks to think about inventory backup. To me it seems one of the salient problems with SL's system for items we create. Good inventory is often lost during system crashes]
Philled Graves: given the capacity to TP from and to anywhere i don't thing the connectivity of space is relevant
AJ Brooks: private island reduce the chances of griefers and mischief
Profdan Netizen: bye, Ignatius.
North Lamar: higher Linden allowance
Max Chatnoir: Why do you want to spruce it up? Is it broke?
AJ Brooks snickers
Zotarah Shepherd: I have a place on the mainland and almost never get griefed.
Raloc Dorado: maybe, but anyone can build on my land and no-one ever does
Jimmy Linden: do people care about higher limits for offline IMs?
AJ Brooks: i do not, jimmy
Jimmy Linden: or being able to backup inventory?
North Lamar: not a problem for me.