Transcript of Virtual Worlds Constituent Group Discussion, Feb. 24 2009

Locations: San Antonio, at the Educause Southwest Regional Conference, & CHSSSouth Amphitheater Montclair State University Virtual Campus

Iggy's note - given RL constraints at Richmond currently, this transcript will not have pull-outs for links or as many corrections. This transcript was link-heavy, so please scroll through. All have been checked and will open in new tabs.

AJ's note - this meeting was held in voice. Although Fleep Tuque attempted to cover as much of the transcription as possible, the transcript may seem disjointed as much of it was a reaction to what was going on in voice chat.

Photos Courtesy of Carolt Shepherd

[9:47] CHSSSouth Amphitheater Base: Marty Snowpaw arrived from (6)EDUCASUE Virtual Worlds group

[9:47] Fleep Tuque: JEALOUS FLEEP

[9:47] Fleep Tuque: It's freeeeezing here in Cincinnati. :)

[9:47] Oronoque Westland: GREEN WITH ENVY

[9:47] Robby Kowalski: It's only 50 in south Georgia!

[9:48] AJ Brooks: we are moving out of text chat, so be sure you have voice chat on - and your mics muted

[9:48] Fleep Tuque: If anyone is having trouble with voice, feel free to IM me and I'll help!

[9:48] AJ Brooks: folks in the amphitheater, come on down and have a seat by us at the table

[9:48] AJ Brooks: Fleep - you rock

[9:48] Fleep Tuque: :)

[9:48] AntonioGPS Zapatero: I am sort of shy..

[9:48] Oronoque Westland: Chris Rock?

[9:48] Robby Kowalski: hehehe

[9:48] Fleep Tuque: You too! Just got back from eLearning in Portland!

[9:49] Fleep Tuque: It was a GREAT conference

[9:49] Fleep Tuque: :)

[9:49] JanythKU Techsan: intro happening here

[9:49] AJ Brooks: is there anyone who CANNOT hear me

[9:50] Fleep Tuque: For the newcomers, we're using voice! there are directions on the stage or feel free to IM me if you're having difficulty hearing! :)

[9:50] Montserrat Augustus: i can't

[9:50] Stealth Snook: I can't, but I think it's a local firewall issue

[9:50] Stealth Snook: I'll join you if I can get it fixed

[9:50] Kerri Macchi: Likewise

[9:52] Robby Kowalski: wheeeeeee!

[9:53] Robby Kowalski: http://www.educause.edu/

[9:54] Fleep Tuque: 84!

[9:54] Fleep Tuque: :)

[9:54] Fleep Tuque: hehe

[9:56] Fleep Tuque: Ok so some folks have firewall issues with voice, I will try to start transcribing what's going on in voice..

[9:56] Fleep Tuque: So from here on I'm channeling the speakers!

[9:57] Fleep Tuque: AJ Brooks - ..it was such a huge success we decided we would do this for regional conferences too, we'll be doing this at several regional conerences coming up

[9:57] AntonioGPS Zapatero: are there european members in educause ?

[9:57] Fleep Tuque: So I hope those of you in San Antonio will join us virtually for some of the other conferences and if you're here in SL you might want to attend the regional conferences in RL too

[9:58] Fleep Tuque: Joe from San Antonio

[9:58] Daisyblue Hefferman: Hey, Joe!!!

[9:58] Fleep Tuque: JoeUTSA caliata? is his avatar name

[9:58] Fleep Tuque: Jim Snell from Texas A&M introducing himself

[9:58] Fleep Tuque: he's been in SL for 2 years, they just got an island

[9:59] Fleep Tuque: sees a lot of potential

[9:59] Fleep Tuque: to virtual worlds

[9:59] Corwin Carillon: own island for 4 months now

[9:59] Daisyblue Hefferman: it's JoeUTSA Palianta

[9:59] Fleep Tuque: Janet .. with Texas State Tech College, been in world for almost a year now and it's been an exciting experience, think it's an incredible edu tool for DL

[9:59] Corwin Carillon: part of VTSTC program ...

[9:59] Fleep Tuque: Any questions from San Antonio?

[10:00] Fleep Tuque: Phil from SA has a question

[10:00] Fleep Tuque: Phil Youngblood in RL, just wanted to congratulate AJ for his work at Montclaire, what are you guys doing lately that we should know about?

[10:01] Fleep Tuque: AJ sez: The college of education and human services has gotten involve din a big way 3 major projects, one is closed to the public at the moment, but if their demo is accepted at Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education conference, we'll see it! It's a recreation of Freud's office and Maslow's hierarchy and soem other theorists work..

[10:02] Fleep Tuque: We also have one of our media specialists teaching a course for middle schools and they built a typical middle school, building in inside stuff like chairs and etc, and putting all that stuff in folders to give to the students to let them design the inside..

[10:02] Fleep Tuque: (paraphrasing)

[10:02] Fleep Tuque: Most of this stuff is being built by Montclair students, too!

[10:02] Fleep Tuque: When you come in world please come and visit the CHSS South island, there are 32 individual educators on this island and each person is doing something different

[10:03] Fleep Tuque: (not all from Montclair)

[10:03] Fleep Tuque: Very friendly wonderful people doing exciting stuff

[10:03] Margaret Michalski: Hi AJ!

[10:03] Birdie Newcomb: Birdie

[10:03] Fleep Tuque: Several of the residents of the CHSS island are here at this meeting!

[10:04] Fleep Tuque: Margaret has a survey running on her plot about how we are treated by physicians, so check that out!

[10:04] Fleep Tuque: So, AJ is now going to...

[10:04] Corwin Carillon: yep

[10:04] Fleep Tuque: bring up a graphic from Kzero

[10:05] Robin Mochi: yes, great graphic

[10:05] Fleep Tuque: Look to far end of aphmitheatre you will see a graphic of virtual worlds from Q3 2008

[10:05] Corwin Carillon: nice visual display

[10:05] Fleep Tuque: Look at periphery it is organized by age

[10:05] Fleep Tuque: Look up at the top biggest bubble at 30+ is SL

[10:05] Fleep Tuque: the red spheres are currently open

[10:05] Fleep Tuque: Blue is in development

[10:06] Fleep Tuque: Not much in the 30+ range

[10:06] Fleep Tuque: look between 20-25 not so many

[10:06] Fleep Tuque: go counter clockwise, look between 13-8

[10:06] Fleep Tuque: 200,000+ registered users in that age group

[10:06] Fleep Tuque: club penguin and disney and etc, etc

[10:07] Corwin Carillon: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/?page_id=2092

[10:07] Fleep Tuque: So AJ wants to show why he thinks virtual worlds are important, if the age were to stay the same but we could rotate the bubbles

[10:07] Fleep Tuque: the kids who are age 8, 9, 10 will be coming into our middle schools

[10:07] Fleep Tuque: and they will expect to be engaged with the same kind of depth IN school that they are OUT of school

[10:07] Birdie Newcomb: Intresting way to look at it

[10:07] Fleep Tuque: so over the next 5 years we are going to see virutal environments, whatever it turns out to be, and he's not convinced it will look like SL

[10:08] Fleep Tuque: and in fact if you're on the SL Educators list, there's a big thread going on right now

[10:08] Fleep Tuque: Metaplace

[10:08] Fleep Tuque: There are new worlds coming online that may really compete with SL

[10:08] Robby Kowalski: I signed up to beta test and got an email saying I'd hear back in a few weeks.

[10:08] Fleep Tuque: because they offer some of the same affordances but are easier

[10:08] Daisyblue Hefferman: me too, Robby

[10:08] Corwin Carillon: https://www.metaplace.com/

[10:08] Robby Kowalski: cool!

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: (AJ has a limited # of invites if you're interested)

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: So he's 100% convinced that we need to stop talking about SL so much

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: it's really the TOOL we're focusing on in our discussions, but it's how we ENGAGE that's really importnat, NOT the tool

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: (paraphrasing)

[10:09] Lizzy Saintlouis: Atlanta, GA

[10:09] ALALibraryVal Miles: Chicago, IL, USA

[10:09] Jet Burns: At NASA, we are calling them Immersive Environments. Includes Virtual Worlds, Simulators, Gaming.

[10:09] Marty Snowpaw: Toronto

[10:09] Daisyblue Hefferman: NY

[10:09] Lezah Landar: Princeton, NJ

[10:09] Birdie Newcomb: Santa Barbara

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: For the folks who are here, type into chat where you are currently located

[10:09] JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm in LIma, OH

[10:09] Robin Mochi: Portland, Oregon USA

[10:09] Adra Letov: Hawaii

[10:09] Esparanza Freese: USA Florida

[10:09] Aiyana Tripsa: Orlando, FL

[10:09] JanythKU Techsan: Texas

[10:09] Fleep Tuque: Cincinnati, Ohio

[10:09] Meredith Snookums: Wilmington DE

[10:09] Jet Burns: Los Angeles

[10:09] Alice Burgess: Kentucky

[10:09] Margaret Michalski: Chicago, IL

[10:10] Corwin Carillon: Hong Kong

[10:10] IzzyLander Karu: Corpus Christi, Tx

[10:10] Oronoque Westland: New York

[10:10] Meta Looming: Portland ME

[10:10] Corwin Carillon: 2am

[10:10] Corwin Carillon: :(

[10:10] Zotarah Shepherd: Sonoma county California

[10:10] Fleep Tuque: (Corwin is crazy rockin!) :)

[10:10] Oronoque Westland: Corwin is a night owl

[10:10] Corwin Carillon: rofl

[10:10] JanythKU Techsan hands Corwin a pillow

[10:10] IzzyLander Karu passes Corwin some dim sum

[10:10] Fleep Tuque: If we tilt this chart and turn it along its age axis and take it to its logical progression

[10:10] Fleep Tuque: when you think of SL just having celebrated its5th birthday

[10:11] Fleep Tuque: when we get to more worlds and the tech becomes easier, VWs will become a tool of engagement

[10:11] Marty Snowpaw: sl is more than just media platform for interaction....u r discounting all the content assets that have been built here

[10:11] Fleep Tuque: it may not be THE tool but like the web, not every class in Higher ed uses the web, some don't

[10:11] Stealth Snook: Cupertino, CA

[10:11] Fleep Tuque: some people still lecture and give tests and that's it etc.

[10:11] Fleep Tuque: AJ is saying he's a constructivist so he doesn't know if that's best, but there are many pedagogical methods that can be more suitable to students

[10:12] Fleep Tuque: so virtual worlds he thinks will be a tool and will grow in importance as a tool over time

[10:12] Fleep Tuque: and now thoughts from San Antonio!

[10:12] Fleep Tuque: Unknown speaker at SA: I liken it to Columbus discovering the new world, we're voyaging off into something new, it's unknown, it's a change, there will be distractors

[10:13] Fleep Tuque: It's important for those of us who see potential to work together and to collaborate and help build the passion in those who don't yet see it

[10:13] Fleep Tuque: I agree it's not the tool it's the engagement we're building

[10:13] Fleep Tuque: Oh that was Janet

[10:13] Fleep Tuque: :)

[10:13] Marty Snowpaw: I do

[10:13] Fleep Tuque: Other comments from SA, asks AJ?

[10:13] Corwin Carillon: but it needs to be more than community engagement

[10:14] Fleep Tuque: Phil from SA: There are over 300 million in non game social virtual worlds, quote from Kzero, Phil says don't believe the hype articles that SL is dead blah blah blah, go to the hype cycle article by Gartner, SL and virtual worlds are alive and well they are just in the trough of dissilussionment but they will be the next big thing on the web

[10:14] Fleep Tuque: (please forgive all the typos and mangling - these guys talk fast!)

[10:14] Esparanza Freese: excume please

[10:14] Corwin Carillon: I'd say it needs to be domain knowledge, practice and community engagement

[10:15] Marty Snowpaw: there is a tipping point we are at now with educators coming in world

[10:15] Fleep Tuque: AJ says - when the voice of the dissent is being listened to and disengagement happens, we will start to see another climb out of this trough eventually, AJ thinks we need to see some standards for virtual worlds form to help take us to the next level of vw development,

[10:15] Fleep Tuque: We're seeing Wonderland (Sun) and OpenSim continuing to development

[10:16] Fleep Tuque: every tuesday here in this sim we have the educators roundtable

[10:16] Fleep Tuque: and one of the things we're doing is moving our transcripts from notecards in world to a wiki

[10:16] Fleep Tuque: and looking back at some of them

[10:16] Fleep Tuque: I can't believe.. or maybe I CAN believe, we've made so much progress in just a year

[10:16] Fleep Tuque: Things changevery very quickly

[10:17] Birdie Newcomb: No wonder I always feel I'm falling behind

[10:17] Fleep Tuque: in this conversation on the SLED list, Sarah Robbins said imagine this on a compressed timeline, on Monday you're talking about chalboards, Tuesday it's overhead projectors, Wednesday we moved to computers, and on Thursday it's virtual worlds, and Friday - who knows!

[10:17] Fleep Tuque: Change is SOOOO fast! And the Ivory tower isn't known for adjusting well to rapid change

[10:17] Fleep Tuque: Ok sorry folks my wrists need a break.. anyone want to take over for a min?

[10:18] Corwin Carillon: more than

[10:18] Corwin Carillon: we are only focusing on that#

[10:18] Fleep Tuque: Something about it needs to be more than community

[10:18] Fleep Tuque: Question from SA:

[10:18] Fleep Tuque: Brandon Coleman with US Air Force

[10:18] Corwin Carillon: it needs to be domain knowledge and practice as well as community

[10:18] Fleep Tuque: Do you have statistical evidence to back up your position about the importance of virtual worlds

[10:19] Fleep Tuque: Fleep asks - what kinds of statistical evidence do you mean?

[10:19] Fleep Tuque: Numbers of users?

[10:19] Corwin Carillon: same question

[10:19] Fleep Tuque: growth in the industry?

[10:20] Fleep Tuque: growth in related things like the sales of virtual goods?

[10:20] Fleep Tuque: All indicators show rapid growth

[10:20] Fleep Tuque: as far as I can tell in my own research (this is me talkin!)

[10:20] JanythKU Techsan: we have a question

[10:20] Corwin Carillon: number of educational institutions with projects?

[10:20] Jet Burns: At NASA, I'm working with Air Force, NAVY and Nasa, can I contribute to this discussion and answer?

[10:20] Fleep Tuque: Yes please Jet!@

[10:20] Corwin Carillon: go jet in text

[10:20] Fleep Tuque: :)

[10:20] Oronoque Westland: of course

[10:21] Adra Letov: Number of grad and undergrad students in courses that meet in SL

[10:21] Adra Letov: increasing this term

[10:21] ProDeoPat Halostar: Jet you work with the Army, too. :)

[10:21] Oronoque Westland: do you get more than one paycheck?

[10:21] Jet Burns: Not Army, just AF, NAVY and NASA in Knowledge Management and Virtual Worlds.

[10:21] Corwin Carillon: Jet can you say it in text here?

[10:22] Jet Burns: Too much to type

[10:22] Jet Burns: too slow

[10:22] Jet Burns: :(

[10:22] Corwin Carillon: AJ?

[10:22] Oronoque Westland: Jet do you have a mic?

[10:22] ProDeoPat Halostar: Jet: Indirectly you work with folks who work in the Army (wink, wink, nod, nod)

[10:22] Jet Burns: yes

[10:22] JanythKU Techsan: we have a question in SA

[10:22] Corwin Carillon: can you give Jet the mic

[10:22] Oronoque Westland: yes

[10:22] Lezah Landar: Yes

[10:22] Birdie Newcomb: Go ahead

[10:22] Zotarah Shepherd: yes

[10:23] Corwin Carillon: hey Derek!

[10:23] AJ Brooks: one sec Jet

[10:23] Jet Burns: k

[10:23] Fleep Tuque: Missed the fellow's name from San Antonio.. the applications that are coming through SL aren't really very different than what we do in real life

[10:23] Fleep Tuque: we aren't really using what's unique to SL very well

[10:23] Fleep Tuque: even when we stray from that model it's not too far

[10:23] Fleep Tuque: I'm a supporter and sceptic at the same time

[10:23] Fleep Tuque: I am waiting for the "killer app"

[10:24] Fleep Tuque: I'm not seeing yet anything that makes this a compelling killer app for education

[10:24] Corwin Carillon: you should see some of the work going on with Coventry and PBL and AI (courtesy fo Daden)

[10:24] Fleep Tuque: Derick at Tulane in Neworlans

[10:24] Fleep Tuque: New Orleans

[10:24] ProDeoPat Halostar: Agreed. VWs aern't being used to their potential. Screwdrivers being used to open paint cans.

[10:24] JanythKU Techsan: another question from SA after Jet's response

[10:25] Stealth Snook: Some people use SL to replicate reality, and some to transcend it. Most are somewhere in between.

[10:25] Adra Letov: immersive learning builds are a key to taking advantage of the SL immersive mode, or any virtula world

[10:25] ProDeoPat Halostar: True @ADRA

[10:25] Corwin Carillon: yeah .. like Macbeth sim Adra

[10:25] Adra Letov: educators are challenged to translate into the immersive medium

[10:26] Corwin Carillon: but that is one way ..

[10:26] Corwin Carillon: immersive builds ...

[10:26] Corwin Carillon: simulations with AI ...

[10:26] Fleep Tuque: Fleep says, I've written an essay that addresses the "Traditional Learning Spaces in Virtual Worlds" topic if anyone is interested: http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife/index.php/Site/TraditionalLearningSpacesInVirtualWorlds

[10:26] Adra Letov: like Land of Lincoln

[10:26] Corwin Carillon: interactive vizualizations

[10:26] Adra Letov: thanks Fleep!

[10:26] Montserrat Augustus: I am! TY Fleep!

[10:27] Zotarah Shepherd: Me too Fleep Thank you.

[10:27] Fleep Tuque: Essentially - newcomers to ANY media almost always recreate

[10:27] Fleep Tuque: it takes some time to begin to really learn how to use a new medium in different ways

[10:28] ProDeoPat Halostar: Exactly. That's why we're sitting in "chairs" now.

[10:28] Adra Letov: is there a series of sessions on how to get creative with immersive learning options?

[10:28] Fleep Tuque: NMC's Symposium on Creativity is a great one

[10:29] Fleep Tuque: http://www.nmc.org/symposium-on-creativity

[10:29] Fleep Tuque: Nick do you know if they are going to hold another?

[10:29] Fleep Tuque: Jet from NASA is talking about how NASA has been using virtual environments for a looong time

[10:29] Fleep Tuque: they are using virtual worlds for data visualization for the mases

[10:29] Corwin Carillon: I don't know Fleep

[10:29] Fleep Tuque: they can show you what a crater looks like and explore those environments

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: also virtual systems modelling, mission planning, and enginering modeling

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: SL '

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: er SL's physics engine isn't robust enough for serious engineering prototyping

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: but look up Captain David .. Taggert?

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: Missed the name

[10:30] Fleep Tuque: He's very famous for reversing the air force's position on social media

[10:31] Corwin Carillon: Faggard

[10:31] Fleep Tuque: SL is a social environment and there's where NASA and the Air Force have found, like using Twitter and Facebook and using applications like this, it's very much a part of the process

[10:31] Fleep Tuque: knowledge managmenet is people, processes, and tools

[10:31] Fleep Tuque: so now we're seeing the growth of virtual worlds exploding, we see these tools, 3D representations of myself

[10:31] Fleep Tuque: I am able to partiipate and multitask and do more in these environments

[10:31] Jet Burns: lol

[10:31] JanythKU Techsan: question from SA

[10:31] Fleep Tuque: Yay Jet! Thanks! Good stuff!

[10:31] JanythKU Techsan: yea

[10:31] ProDeoPat Halostar: I like "tools" better than "technology" which is usually used.

[10:32] Robby Kowalski: http://www.webinknow.com/2008/12/the-us-air-force-armed-with-social-media.html

[10:32] Zotarah Shepherd: Yes!

[10:32] ProDeoPat Halostar: NASA's sims on SL are the epitome of what SL can do.

[10:32] Fleep Tuque: Come see the NASA Explorer island

[10:32] Fleep Tuque: here in Second Life

[10:32] Fleep Tuque: to see how we're using this. :)

[10:32] Jet Burns: yes

[10:32] Corwin Carillon: Is that the same space as Hackshaven's work with NASA, Jet?

[10:32] Fleep Tuque: NASA Slurl http://slurl.com/secondlife/explorer%20island/182/151/23/

[10:33] Fleep Tuque: Someone from San Antonio agreeing that the physics of SL and prim limits is definitely very very limiting

[10:33] Jet Burns: Yay, I almost mentioned MICA. Thanks!!!

[10:33] Fleep Tuque: but there's still a lot you can do, amazing things, even with these limitations

[10:33] Corwin Carillon: it depends what ... visualizations in biology/genetics

[10:34] Corwin Carillon: I agree re things that requires physics and maths more

[10:34] Fleep Tuque: Doug Danforth's giant male testes is pretty darned cool

[10:34] Jet Burns: Captain David Faggard was the person.

[10:34] Corwin Carillon: there is also now the use of AI

[10:34] Fleep Tuque: from the Ohio State University College of Medicine

[10:34] Corwin Carillon: I do not think VWs witll be a killer app though ...

[10:34] Jet Burns: http://www.spacetoday.org/NASA/SecondLife/NASA_SecondLife.html

[10:34] Fleep Tuque: Comment from SA: It's the lessons we learn as we go along this journey, we're learning a lot about educations

[10:34] Fleep Tuque: er education, makes us think about how we educate

[10:34] Corwin Carillon: but will have niches for what we do ...

[10:35] Fleep Tuque: the journey is making us look at things differently

[10:35] ProDeoPat Halostar: We already saw 3D being used in teh Superbowl commercials, so apps will be leapfrogging forward.

[10:35] Corwin Carillon: and challenge what we do

[10:35] Corwin Carillon: and our students do

[10:35] Fleep Tuque: thinking about how students do learn and want to learn

[10:35] Lizzy Saintlouis: Huffman Prairie Omega is also a great place for space and aeronautic explaoration

[10:35] Fleep Tuque: AJ is saying EDUCAUSE does have a listserv and group you should join

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: and sign up for the EDUCAUSE constitutent froup list

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: group

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: different than the in world lgroup

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: the listserv is not to talk just about SL it's about virtual worlds more broadly

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: http://www.educause.edu/VirtualWorldsConstituentGroup/15124

[10:36] JanythKU Techsan: we have another question

[10:36] Fleep Tuque: That's the URL to join the list

[10:37] Corwin Carillon: hiya Partrica (from Nick)

[10:37] AJ Brooks: http://www.educause.edu/groups/vw

[10:37] Jet Burns: We can't uninvent this

[10:37] Fleep Tuque: Question from SA: Our institution is very resistant, how do you convince people?

[10:37] Fleep Tuque: AJ says the drive should come from the faculty

[10:38] Fleep Tuque: FLEEP SUGGESTS - Start an informal "learning community" and invite faculty and staff who are early adoper types

[10:38] Fleep Tuque: Brown bag lunch sessions, whatever

[10:38] Fleep Tuque: get a group going on your campus and THEN approach administrators. :)

[10:38] Adra Letov: It really helps if you colaborate with faculty in another institution since that is usually valued

[10:38] Fleep Tuque: Good point Adra, inter-institution collaboration is always a big sell

[10:38] Jet Burns: Manage risk... they say "no" because they are not smart enough to say "yes", thus they scared of risk.

[10:39] ProDeoPat Halostar: Can you have it running at a meeting and use it in a demo to a captive audience?

[10:39] Fleep Tuque: Having said that, I paid for the University of Cincinnati's first space out of my own pocket.

[10:39] ProDeoPat Halostar: Faster and cheaper to say "No" and nail the doors than figure out how to install a lock.

[10:39] Fleep Tuque: I believed in it and wasn't going to let anything et in my way. ;)

[10:39] Adra Letov: International collaboration is worth even more

[10:39] Carolt Shepherd: I have a student from our campus student newspaper coming to interview me for an article about SL today

[10:40] Carolt Shepherd: possibly by pressure/request from students?

[10:40] Corwin Carillon: coupld fleeps idea with people who are doing innovative projects in SL in their discipline and see about collaboration

[10:40] Robby Kowalski: My administration likes to see that ur little school is collaberating with large Universities.

[10:40] Corwin Carillon: also ...

[10:40] JanythKU Techsan: I agree, I think you caputure the passion from those that already see it and then foster that to let it grow

[10:40] ProDeoPat Halostar: Show how it can meet THEIR needs (lower costs, DL, visibility, etc.).

[10:40] Corwin Carillon: universities are using it to connect in students before enrolling as UGs and as alumni post

[10:41] JanythKU Techsan: we also have a question from SA

[10:41] JanythKU Techsan: yea!

[10:41] Jet Burns: Also, point to what others are doing. Where is your school? MIT, CalTech, Stanford? Yeup they here.

[10:41] Corwin Carillon: if you do the brown bag .. bring people in from SL from others institutions in their discipline area with voice

[10:42] Fleep Tuque: Great suggestion Corwin!

[10:42] Fleep Tuque: hehe universal?

[10:42] Fleep Tuque: Maybe never!

[10:43] Fleep Tuque: hehe just kidding. :)

[10:43] Fleep Tuque: We've had blackboard for almost 10 years and still only have 80% adoption

[10:43] Fleep Tuque: so universal might be a stretch.

[10:43] Carolt Shepherd: We're doing a brownbag panel next week w/SL folks from five institutions present in RL

[10:43] JanythKU Techsan: good point Fleep

[10:44] Fleep Tuque: But, having said that, in 5 years, I believe a university without a virtual worlds presence will be like a university without a website now.

[10:44] Corwin Carillon: and most adoption with LMSs is still content distribution (unless it is totally online)

[10:44] Fleep Tuque: (my personal opinion of course)

[10:44] Fleep Tuque: nod Corwin

[10:44] ProDeoPat Halostar: Yes. Capitalize on the "cool" factor.

[10:44] Robby Kowalski: The avatar generation is coming. 3 yr olds are using immersive technology now.

[10:45] Carolt Shepherd: thanks Jet

[10:45] ProDeoPat Halostar: Remind folks they can do it from HOME, too.

[10:45] Jet Burns: Robby, Exactly!!!

[10:45] Fleep Tuque: (oops work phone call afk)

[10:45] JanythKU Techsan: thank you all for joining us

[10:45] JanythKU Techsan: ?

[10:45] Daisyblue Hefferman: and tell them we are here to help!

[10:45] JanythKU Techsan: thank you all for joining us

[10:45] Robby Kowalski: AJ rocks!

[10:45] Jet Burns: Thank your for allow us to participate.

[10:45] Adra Letov: Nice to be with you all! Aloha

[10:45] Carolt Shepherd: ty AJ

[10:45] Robin Mochi: Great job, AJ

[10:46] Robin Mochi: thanks all

[10:46] Adra Letov: Thanks AJ

[10:46] Marty Snowpaw: tell them about VWBPE

[10:46] JanythKU Techsan waves bye

[10:46] JanythKU Techsan: applauds

[10:46] Birdie Newcomb: ty

[10:46] JanythKU Techsan: yea

[10:46] Mats Bravin: Thanks AJ.

[10:46] JanythKU Techsan: friendship offers accepted ?

[10:46] Marty Snowpaw: can I say something AJ

[10:46] Marty Snowpaw: give me a sec

[10:46] Kennesaw Landar: http://www.vwbpe.org/

[10:46] Kennesaw Landar: see that?

[10:46] JeanClaude Vollmar: Bye everyone! Gotta zoom to another meeting.

[10:47] Marty Snowpaw: can I say something first

[10:47] Daisyblue Hefferman: AVL and Learningtimes are also holding a VLEM Conference Apr 24-25. virtual libraries, educators and museums.

[10:47] Zotarah Shepherd: I am proposing to teach an introductory class in SL skills at SSU and would like some help in getting a more pared down version of my syllabus.

[10:47] IzzyLander Karu: JOIN THIS GROUP

[10:47] Robby Kowalski: Can we plug our schools? (said the recruiter) hehehe

[10:47] ProDeoPat Halostar: Good. That was my question of how we get a full transcript.

[10:47] MathBear Cyberschreiber: But just try getting technophobic computer marginally illiterate faculty onto SL!

[10:47] Daisyblue Hefferman: We are still looking for presenters for the VLEM Conference, btw. I have the info for proposals if anyone is interested.

[10:48] Kennesaw Landar: vwbpe also has call for posters displays and vendors, as well as sponsors for machinima productions of the individual presentations:) For info & Deadlines see http://www.vwbpe.org/

[10:48] ALALibraryVal Miles: Daisyblue, I'll take a copy of that

[10:48] Adra Letov: Land of Lincoln

[10:48] ALALibraryVal Miles: ALA Island

[10:48] ALALibraryVal Miles: Right next to Info Island

[10:49] Fleep Tuque: I'm afraid I must run, wonderful to see everyone aain and thanks to AJ and San Antonio for a great conversation!

[10:49] Fleep Tuque waves!

[10:49] Robin Mochi: Immersive experiences like the OSU Testis Tour :)

[10:49] Robby Kowalski: Bye Chris!

[10:49] IzzyLander Karu has a question for those already using SL to conduct a course.

[10:49] ProDeoPat Halostar: Also the "face to face" interaction, even thouigh they're "cartoon" faces.

[10:50] Corwin Carillon: nope mistake

[10:50] Adra Letov: enhanced social presence to look at something or do something together in a content rich build

[10:50] Jet Burns: My email is Jet.Burns@jpl.nasa.gov

[10:50] IzzyLander Karu: AJ, may i ask a question?

[10:50] Corwin Carillon: too late for me to use voice and wake up family

[10:50] IzzyLander Karu: I would like to ask SL educators...

[10:51] IzzyLander Karu: how do you address ADA in your SL course activities?

[10:51] Daisyblue Hefferman: I try to follow inclusion practices in my presentations. always have text when I'm using voice, for instance.

[10:52] IzzyLander Karu: hmmm

[10:52] Lizzy Saintlouis: impaired

[10:52] Jet Burns: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Accessibility

[10:52] Oronoque Westland: the folks at Virtual Ability Island are very helpful in advising educators on this

[10:53] Jet Burns: https://masielearning.pbwiki.com/Virtual+World+Accessibility+-+Section+508

[10:53] Marty Snowpaw: Here is where you send the proposals vwbpe@googlegroups.com

[10:53] Adra Letov: VAI is a great community for educators, their orientation is ADA compliant

[10:53] ALALibraryVal Miles: Alice Krueger led a discussion on that yesterday - http://metanomics.net/Event022309

[10:54] Adra Letov: vicarious experiencing is powerful

[10:54] Daisyblue Hefferman: the folks at Virtual Ability will help anyone with any disability to cope with sl.

[10:54] Marty Snowpaw: aspirational

[10:54] ProDeoPat Halostar: You can also Google SL viewers for blind folks to use.

[10:55] IzzyLander Karu: thank you all, those were some very good information

[10:55] Marty Snowpaw: u r

[10:55] Kennesaw Landar: u ARE here:)

[10:56] Oronoque Westland: and in SL you can have 2 heads and still be bad

[10:56] Kennesaw Landar: is REAL

[10:56] Adra Letov: :)

[10:56] Marty Snowpaw: exactly

[10:56] Corwin Carillon: physical vs virtual

[10:56] ProDeoPat Halostar: That's the immersive capital we need to cash in on in education/collaboration.

[10:56] Adra Letov: nvw non-virtual world

[10:57] Kennesaw Landar: I like terraverse and metaverse

[10:57] Adra Letov: nice ones!

[10:57] Kennesaw Landar: hehe turns "real life" into tv hahaha

[10:57] Birdie Newcomb: teens call it meatspace

[10:57] Margaret Michalski: Is it because your personality is the same in both NVW and VW.

[10:57] Corwin Carillon: the emotions are real

[10:57] Adra Letov: it effectively joins minds and experience and co-presence

[10:58] ProDeoPat Halostar: The humanity behind the pixels is no less "real."

[10:58] Corwin Carillon: affect is still not center-pieced enough in learning and teaching

[10:58] Marty Snowpaw: There is a complete suspension of disbelief

[10:58] Adra Letov: true Corwin

[10:58] Kennesaw Landar: meatspace yes they distibguish in a way that is scientifically correct - we ARE where our consciousness is, whether it be IN the meatspace body or IN the avatar body

[10:58] MathBear Cyberschreiber: I am not so sure of that, people let themselves loose on here in ways they would not do in RL>

[10:58] Zotarah Shepherd: A book is just paper and ink - physically.

[10:59] Adra Letov: or atoms

[10:59] Birdie Newcomb: and books are changing too

[10:59] IzzyLander Karu is finding out that we may need to pixelate all non-believers who insist on labeling SL as "just a game".

[10:59] Oronoque Westland: when a tree falls in the woods and no one is there does it make a sound?

[10:59] ALALibraryVal Miles: I'll help Izzy with that--!

[10:59] Adra Letov: Thanks AJ, I do want it for my class!

[10:59] MathBear Cyberschreiber: Define "sound".

[10:59] Birdie Newcomb: it's like the Bead Game

[10:59] Kennesaw Landar: there is nothing to "DIS-believe" there is just a new way/place to extend -exhibit-experience your consciousness and the consciousness of others imho:)

[10:59] Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you AJ

[11:00] Daisyblue Hefferman: AJ, it's named "object" lol

[11:00] MathBear Cyberschreiber: Facial expressions and reliable accurately localized voice are the next big fronteir to making SL more real.

[11:00] IzzyLander Karu: website for the Kzero graph: http://www.kzero.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/universe-v6-master.jpg

[11:00] Marty Snowpaw: it is literature

[11:00] Jet Burns: ADA youtube and SL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s21QgfA7eU

[11:01] Carolt Shepherd: AJ Could I speak?

[11:01] Corwin Carillon: I have to go and get some sleep ... take care all

[11:01] Carolt Shepherd: whoops mic not working sorry

[11:01] Oronoque Westland: good night Corwin

[11:01] Carolt Shepherd: I have a student who just came into my office, watching & listening to this meeting

[11:01] Jet Burns: Yikes... I have a Non-Virtual 11am meeting. Thanks everyone. Bye

[11:01] Carolt Shepherd: She wants to write an article for the student paper on campsu about SL

[11:01] CHSSSouth Amphitheater Base: Aminah Muggins arrived from (0)Walk-Ups

[11:01] Carolt Shepherd: would any of you like to say anything to her?

[11:01] AJ Brooks: bye jet - nice meeting you

[11:02] Oronoque Westland: bye Jet

[11:02] MathBear Cyberschreiber: Cool! Let him see me and my litle friend here.

[11:02] Carolt Shepherd: we have spkrs, no mic working

[11:02] Kennesaw Landar: I nwill speak to her about Kennesaw State - IM me

[11:03] Carolt Shepherd: We're at Clemson University

[11:03] Marty Snowpaw: well said

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: thanks!

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: yes, dear friend!

[11:04] Adra Letov: and a place to be useful by joining projects

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: kk will do!

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: yes he is!

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: Clemson University

[11:04] IzzyLander Karu: SL is also a place that truely enables you to be truely "global" in the ever increasing globalizatoin

[11:04] Carolt Shepherd: she's overwhelmed, hasn't ever seen SL before just now

[11:05] Adra Letov: yes Izzy

[11:05] Carolt Shepherd: anyone else have anything to offer/say to students?

[11:05] IzzyLander Karu: I personally made friends with people in 6 different countries

[11:05] Daisyblue Hefferman: Carol, tell her to come in and learn some beofre writing her article!

[11:05] ALALibraryVal Miles: SL libraries are cool :)!

[11:05] Carolt Shepherd: I'll try!

[11:05] IzzyLander Karu: and we discuss everthing from politics to culture and customs

[11:05] MathBear Cyberschreiber: Tel her I say, "Hi". Voice is not working for me right now.

[11:05] Carolt Shepherd: It's due tomorrow!

[11:05] Adra Letov: interview people who create things and perform services in SL

[11:06] Carolt Shepherd: Could you tell me what universities are represented here in chat?

[11:06] ALALibraryVal Miles: Well, it's not like SL ever closes..

[11:06] AJ Brooks: montclair

[11:06] Kennesaw Landar: recommend the orientation center at Virtual Ability Island for your student and perhaps a notecards full of must sees . . . :))

[11:06] Carolt Shepherd: Yay Erectus! I was in a grad course w/him!

[11:06] Adra Letov: University of Hawaii

[11:06] IzzyLander Karu: and...i think an important thing to remember is, there are social norms and mores in sl just as in the actual world

[11:06] MathBear Cyberschreiber: Cool! What does she think of you roo av?

[11:06] ALALibraryVal Miles: infoisland.org web site

[11:06] ALALibraryVal Miles: Info Island

[11:07] Carolt Shepherd: Yes, my experience also, friendships

[11:07] Daisyblue Hefferman: Gotta go. Thanks, AJ, this was great!

[11:08] Carolt Shepherd: I have four SL friends comign to visit in RL this weekend from 2 countries, 4 institutions

[11:08] Margaret Michalski: I have found that sometimes people find you rather than you looking for them.

[11:08] Komputer Merlin: THANKS AJ.... great job, as always!!!!!

[11:08] Oronoque Westland: bye daisy

[11:08] Oronoque Westland: thanks AJ